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Is "the West" preparing an "Ukraine" attack on the Crimea ? Further escalation of the war in Syria (by further aid to "moderate" Al Quada, IS fighters ? There are also reports of Turkish and UK special forces on the side of "moderate rebels"). 



Or is war with North Korea (including China-that will not allow US invasion of North Korea) "better to sell"? https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1438

An "internet-society" has to end with a totalitarian police state. "Democratic-dictatorship" as the future for the US and EU ? 
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-09/new-tensions-erupt-east-china-sea-time-russian-twist





From the Netherlands at the Bilderberg-Dresden-conference: the king, major Shell-share holder, the Rotterdam mayor, Rotterdam is a major oil-distribution and trade center. Also the Shell CEO will be present. Proberbly plans will be made for the NATO-conference in Warsaw, beginning of july. 

NATO wants to fight for oil and gas, has become the fighting machine for the 1%. A conflict with Russia, China and Iran is already in a military phase. In Syria US, French and UK special forces assist "moderate rebels" in Alleppo and Raqqa, facing Syrian, Iran and Hezbollah forces, backed by the Russian air force. Turkey (also NATO) is now fighting with IS fighters in Syria (against the Kurds when those Kurds do not fit in the US plans, against Assad.)

The conflict is about the control of fossil fuels worldwide. Fossil fuels means being able to fight wars. Money is backed by energy (and gold, etc)

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The US attacks Houti(Iran)radar-sites in Yemen after a second attack/warningshot at a US ship for the Yemen coast in 4 days http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/10/12/limited-self-defense-strikes-us-military-destroys-3-radar-sites-in-yemen/ , https://www.rt.com/usa/362582-yemen-radar-sites-airstrikes/

Israeli News Live: heavy fighting eastern Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPXXWSvgIQ

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/10/12/breaking-israel-telegraphing-nuke-war-false-flag/ Could Israel start a major attack in Syria and make Russia/Iran believe it is a US attack ? In this story also tne US elections is coming up. In my (DJ) opinion an escalation of the Syrian war would benefit Trump-that may be one of the (many) reasons why we do not see the Obama administration starting further escalation here.

Before the attack on Mosul IS is given the oppertunity to move (over) 9000 fighters into Syria. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/10/12/us-saudis-to-grant-9000-isis-fighters-free-passage-from-iraqi-mosul-to-syria-source/

Some "rebel groups" are in negociations with the Syrian army about giving up their positions in eastern Aleppo https://southfront.org/negotiations-to-surrender-east-aleppo-under-way/

The reason behind the wars are economic-power related. The New Silk Road is on its way http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-the-new-silk-roads-terrify-washington/5550581
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This is Johnray1. I have been gone for a while.-----Does anyone believe that Russia is getting ready to attack the US.? They have made several moves in the last few days that are concerning. Johnray1
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Johnray1, What I can think of is:

-https://www.rt.com/news/362672-radio-electronic-weapon-russia/ Russia (or China, Iran or "other groups" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident could test a combination of techno-warfare disabeling the US techno-infrastructure (maybe even with directed EMP weapons) if "they" can do so without leaving "fingerprints" (claim/blame failing US infrastructure in combination with earthquakes/hurricanes). 

-A US ship or plane could be attacked by "a group" to send a clear warning/red line. 

Russia on its own is not strong enough for a large war with the US/NATO. But in combination with Iran and China-or in nuclear war-such a war could be "very destructive". If the US would attack North Korea without good communication with China and Russia that could give such an escalation. 

Russia "is getting ready to defend it self" and in "self defence" could be getting ready to attack the US (if Russia does think that is needed). 

The goal of a Russian attack on the US could be to create chaos in the US and limit the US in fighting wars. Both Russia and China think IS is a CIA-plan to destroy their country. 

Several foreign nations are funding presidential campains, Russia will spread their views in the media. Russia may consider clinton as president a real danger for their country. When a president clinton would go in the direction of becoming a danger for Russian interests they may become less patient. 

A bigger risk could be North Korea attacking the US in Japan or (South China) Sea giving the impression that China is doing the attack. (If it would be clear that North Korea was doing such an attack North Korea would have to pay a price for that. The other way round-China (or Russia) attacking
the US in east Asia could mean that the US would blame/punish North Korea for it-to avoid war with Russia or China. I do think Iran  after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 was behind the bombing of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 Libya played a minor role-but they did get the punishment.)
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Hello, Johnray!  It's lovely to see you back.  Are you ok?  Where have you been?  We missed you.

I do not see Russia as planning to attack America.  To understand Russian politics you need to "grock"* the drives behind the system:

The Russian people only vote for those seen as strong leaders.  Russian leaders (and Putin is a prime example) make all their decisions based on giving an impression of strength!  There is no plan to attack America, just to appear threatening and in control.  I am not saying it could not happen, but it is not the intent behind the behaviours.



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http://www.debka.com/article/25717/Iran%E2%80%99s-34th-fleet-faces-US-flotilla-opposite-Yemen 


Events in Yemen, Syria-possibly later on Iraq, Turkey (?) Egypt (?) could mean the US is "put out of the Middle East". The defcon-website is now at "3". (This defcon is a forum, http://thebulletin.org/timeline the "doomsday clock"is 3 to 12 still ) Without (US, UK) help Saudi Arabia is losing the Yemen war and facing the results of a failed war in Syria. 

Iran and Russia seem to have a sort of defense treaty, an attack on one is an attack on all (could include the CIS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization

Russia will not attack when they have other chances. When you look at the history Russia (Soviet Union) invaded Poland in 1939, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War against Finland. 


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You Have Been Fooled into Believing WWIII is Real – Here is the Proof


http://www.blacklistednews.com/You_Have_Been_Fooled_into_Believing_WWIII_is_Real_%E2%80%93_Here_is_the_Proof/54677/0/38/38/Y/M.html


this is a fascinating read

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Technophobe, I have not been good,but I am getting O.K. 
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http://tass.com/world/906579?_ga=1.109035394.1618515220.1476517151 In eastern Ukraine russian backed rebels shot on a Ukrainian (?) helicopter with NATO instructors on board and forced the helicopter to land. 

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/2239 Russian TV station warning for nuclear war; US preparing a major airforce (and navy ?) operation on Diego Garcia (South of Yemen). 


Russia/Soviet Union reclaimed in 1939 Poland and Finland wich were part of Russia till 1917. The re-unification of Germany was possible by western garantees of no further expension of NATO to the east. 
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http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/10/14/489088/US-Russia-war-Syria-
"message board down due to higher than normal site traffic"

Russian northern fleet all out of ports (and therefor harder to get hit by (counter)strike)
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[url]http://www.blacklistednews.com/You_Have_Been_Fooled_into_Believing_WWIII_is_Real_%E2%80%93_Here_is_the_Proof/54677/0/38/38/Y/M.html[url]

Satori, the article claims that "world war-3 is very unlikely because economies are interconnected" but that interconnection is not new. During and before W.W. 1 and 2 economies also were interconnected.

"Partners in space" means the US would need Russia for its space programm. That dependency could as well translate in one (of many) reasons for conflict.

Russia and China do have plans for large infra-structure projects-but that might be something the US could consider a problem. 

That a major conflict could bring Mutual Assured Destruction also does not convince me. Duterte is pushing out the US in the Philipines, does want to deal with China. Russia and Iran are kicking out the US in Syria. The Yemen-war is turning into a disaster for US backed Saudi Arabia. Iraq shiites consider themselves at war with the US. Turkey is fighting US backed Kurds in Syria. The Kiev-regime in Ukraine is bankrupt.

Yesterday , Friday, the US government did take a look at military options. Today, Saturday, in Switzerland there will be a meeting of US, Russia and some other countries over Syria. It is very likely that that meeting could become an exchange of threats-a war of words. Tomorrow-Sunday, the US and several other western governments will have meetings about "the situation". 

I do think that further escalation on a global scale is very likely on the short term. 
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Superstation mentioned it yesterday, Israeli News Live also has it (from the same source ? could be possible) the US is preparing an air-armada on Diego Garcia-south of Yemen. The B1, B2, B52 can reach all of the middle east. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EkBLxv0ntA&t=941s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byifgUasRFE&t=393s and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krY-1JuKYso. Refueling aircraft are send to the middle east. The battle for Mosul is going to start ? 


https://www.rt.com/usa/362919-mason-missiles-attack-yemen/ For the third time an attack on a US ship for the Yemen coast (?). 

The Lausanne-Switzerland talks on Syria did not turn out into disaster-may continue on Monday. It looks like "the east" and "the west" are talking with a gun at the table. 

Israeli News Live was talking about a possible Russian attack on Alaska when the US would attack Syria (or the Iran fleet for the Yemen coast ?).

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Kurdish live-link from the North-East of Mosul-Iraq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wcKAD5bUPw&feature=youtu.be

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/hillarys-war-drums-confirm-putins-fears-world-rushing-irreversibly-towards-nuclear-s From earlier posts: Putin does want to avoid combat when possible but if it is unavoidable will strike first. 

https://www.rt.com/news/362985-julian-assange-internet-link/ and https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/2263 US pressure on Equador to deliver Assange to the UK (from the Equador embassy in London) may have become to big. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppmAvcJPWJA Israeli News Live-Pro Russian separatist leader killed in Donetsk republic/eastern Ukraine.

http://theantimedia.org/bombing-yemen-know-missiles/ The US bombed houthis in Yemen eventhough it was not clear if they fired the missiles. 

The conservative extreme catholic Polish government want new investigations into the 2010 aircrash in wich a.o. the Polish government died in western Russia. (They would like to blame Russia for it). http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/275635,Lech-Kaczynskis-body-among-first-to-be-exhumed-party-leader  ( see also :http://www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/275690,Poland-and-Ukraine-to-build-helicopters-together)
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Royal Bank of Scotland RBS/Westminster Bank block RT.com bank accounts in the UK https://www.rt.com/news/363013-rt-uk-accounts-blocked/ and http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/rts-bank-accounts-blocked-uk

The US/UK, France are selling weapons to KSA-in the news for : https://www.rt.com/news/341260-saudi-arabia-women-drivers/ not let women drive cars is "culture".

When the Kurdish fighters go into Mosul the Turkish army will do the same (to protect Turkish minority). Shi-ite militias-backed by Iran-with US-led coalition air cover (and US special forces in the area) will also play a keyrole. Most likely to block IS-jihadi's from moving west from Mosul into eastern Syria. But according to Debka several thousend IS-fighters already moved some time ago into eastern Syria near Jordanian/Saudi Arabia border. 


Egypt is looking for Syria http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/10/17/489467/Syria-Egypt-antiterror-fight- and Russia http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/10/17/489423/Egypt-Russia-Military-Drills-Terrorism in its fight against IS (in Sinaï and Libyan/Egypt border area. ). Saudi Arabia stopped oildeal with Egypt for disagreement on Syria https://www.ft.com/content/79060164-916a-11e6-a72e-b428cb934b78


https://wikileaks.org/ should be illegal says cnn
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID-p_TVvqKI Putin made Russia's position very clear during the Crimea-crisis-also now on Syria (and other conflict zone's) Putin is making his position very clear. When NATO goes over a red line it has to deal with the consequences. 

Did Saoudi Arabia try to pull the US into their Yemen war by firing on US navy-ships ? That would make more sense than the Houthi-rebels doing so ! http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/story-changes-pentagon-no-longer-sure-yemen-fired-missiles-us-ship and http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/10/17/saudi-arabia-is-trying-to-draw-the-us-into-the-yemen-war/

https://www.rt.com/news/363103-duterte-china-visit-help/ Philippines may start working with China. 

http://theduran.com/us-gives-up-on-aleppo-pleads-russia-mercy-admits-syrians-will-win/ and https://www.rt.com/news/363117-russian-air-force-stops-aleppo-strikes/ The US and UK have given up the "moderate rebels" in eastern Aleppo. Russia is willing to cease airstrikes. "The west" claims to keep "supporting" the war for Syria-but looking at developments in Turkey and Saudi Arabia western "aid" for further prolonging the war for Syria will get harder. 

http://theduran.com/heres-why-the-brics-summit-matters/ The "Chinese bloc", the "Russian bloc" and the "non-aligned bloc" did meet at the BRICS-top in Goa-India. The "Western bloc" was the bloc not present-but claiming the "other blocs are isolated".
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The picture in the middle east is getting more complicated. Debka reports that of the 12.000 Kurdish fighters in the Mosul-offensive 3.000 are PKK-"Turkish-Kurds". Turkey wants them out of the area or will attack them. http://www.debka.com/article/25721/The-big-Mosul-offensive-is-stuck-halted-by-ISIS-

Israeli News Live reporting US airborne troops south of Mosul. Turkey indirect threatens the Syrian army in northern Syria giving Free Syrian Army artillery backing against the Syrian army. Turkey also (again) violating Greece airspace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJpTosrSMY

https://www.rt.com/news/363369-normandy-four-putin-merkel-hollande/ Merkel and Hollande-both in their last year of rule-met Putin and Lavrow in Berlin for talks on Ukraine and Syria. The EU has to decide on (new) sanctions but the support for sanctions-wich costs the EU billions of €-is decreasing. 

I did see another story-line https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS5vIieHuUM. The US-for internal reasons is creating international crises. 

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/10/19/syrian-war-report-october-19-2016-russia-sets-up-outpost-to-fight-isis-terrorists-deploying-from-iraq/ Iranian backed shi-ite militia want to block IS jihadis moving from Mosul to Raqqa (eastern Syria). Russia is getting ready to deal with them. http://www.debka.com/newsupdatepopup/18550/Hundreds-of-ISIS-fighters-fleeing-from-Mosul-to-Syria The US-led coalition is not attacking IS convoys from Mosul to Syria. 

Israeli News Live:

Russia military moves to intranet from internet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjnk_-SYa6w  a reaction to the US call for a cyber-war against Russia ? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID-p_TVvqKI&t=3s Is the UK considering blocking the Russian Northern/Baltic fleet in the North Sea ????

All together: Russia has every reason to consider IS-with more than 20.000 fighters with Russian nationality as a threat organized by the west directed against Russia. China, Philippines, Iran seem to share the vision that fighting (Sunni) jihadis is not contained to their own borders as long as "the west" and Sunni Gulf States (Saudi Arabia) (Pakistan is even more complicated-they back the Taliban who is at war with IS in Afghanistan) is using IS-like groups for their goals. 

NATO expanding east, against agreements, military build ups by the west, against agreements-insults by the west against Russia-Putin has drawn a red line. Enough is enough. This proberbly will mean that confrontations will not end soon and may get worse. 

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^I have great respect for the Kurdish Peshmerga fighters and hope that the Kurds someday have a homeland of their own! 
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