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Syria:

DJ: I think the US strategy could be to allow Russia/Iran to have a no-fly zone over the part of Syria they control. The US will have a "strangle strategy" with their air-control in Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia. 

The US may not be in a hurry to get involved that much in fighting. Looking at history public support for a war vanishes when a lot of soldiers get killed. When Russia, Iran, Syria, Hizbollah want to fight IS this may be okay for the Trump-administration. It weakens Russia, Iran, Hizbollah, Syria, IS. (Tomahawks can be used to show strenght, willingness to go to war when needed. But like in World War-2 the main US"weapon" was the bull-dozer http://olive-drab.com/od_mvg_vehicle_id_bulldozers_ww2.php to make airstrips now the presence in the area, the logistics to move even more weapons into the area-could do the job.)

After the fighting it may not matter who calls himself "leader of Syria". The surrounding countries are proberbly under US/NATO control. So Damascus may have to deal with the coming situation. 

I do not think Syria will bring "world war 3". Risks could come from Israel/Saudi Arabia attacking Iran,the Yemen-war moving into Saudi Arabia. Both Russia and the US proberbly do not want to start a major conflict over Syria. Russia may give up Syria when they can get the Ukraine ?


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"North Korea resumes radio broadcast of encrypted numbers". If indeed China is willing to co-operate with the US-maybe even Russia getting on the table-enough pressure on PyongYang could stop North Korea from the road they are on. 

North Korea is a more difficult problem to solve then Syria. The US, China and Russia do want North Korea to stop developing Weapons of Mass Destruction. North Korea has everything to gain in better relations in the region. 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o40AQPfQsE Israeli News Live with some interesting items. Is China more an ally of the US (because of North Korea) than of Russia (Syria) ? DJ; I think China puts China interests first-when they can use the US in their plans they will try to-but there may be a double bottom, a trick. 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-11/china-threatens-bomb-north-koreas-nuclear-facilities-if-it-crosses-beijings-bottom-l China will proberbly send in its troops when the US would attack North Korea to get as much control in that country as possible. (Russia also has a small borderline with North Korea-Russia and China seem to cooperate in many Asia-issues. Another note, if North Korea has small nuclear "suit case" bombs they would like to use against the US (or any other country) they may have had enough time to put those weapons in position. )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9MalZ5sT4A The US and China disagree on many issues. The South China Sea, with Japan/US drills in may, Philipines claiming islands in the South China Sea. China also has long term plans for a New Silk Road-they need Russia and Iran for those plans, for energy etc. 

In the Middle East Israel and Saudi Arabia are close to war with Iran with proxy wars in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen. Egypt has to deal with IS in Egypt,Libya and is doing deals with Russia. 

Assad has warned that further US attacks on Syria will be answered with Syrian missiles on Israel. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-11/putin-russia-has-learned-more-false-flag-strikes-are-being-prepared-damascus-region "Lies presented as a fact and repeated over and over again do not become reality-but they may look like it".

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/3652 North Korea is having a mass evacuation of 25% of its capitol Pyong Yang population-supposed to be still preparing nuclear and ICBM/missile tests. 

Russia and China see IS as a (CIA-US) weapon ultimately against them. From Ukraine-Syria-South China Sea-North Korea in there opinion there is a frontline against them. Time will make able further reinforcements but still war may be very close.

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http://www.debka.com/newsupdatepopup/20336/N-Korea-must-be-denuclearized-peacefully-China-s-Xi-tells-Trump




DJ: 

I would estimate the chances for a "major regional war" at 60/75% for the Middle East and East Asia. 

With a "major regional war" I mean Israel/Saudi Arabia/Gulf states against Iran. The present conflicts (already pretty large) in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, escalating to a full confrontation between two major groups of countries. 

What would complicate the Middle East situation:

-Pakistan having good relations with Saudi Arabia and China, also a nuclear weapon state having a border with Iran and Afghanistan. Pakistan already has troops in Saudi Arabia at the Yemen border. China has troops in Afghanistan at the Afghan/China border area. In the north Pakistan-India-China have a border dispute. 

The US could support an Israeli/Saudi airstrike at nuclear facilities in Iran. (Maybe claiming that there was a "nuclear accident in Iran"-trying to hide an attack.) A major escalation in Syria could push Israel to use nuclear weapons when the pressure is getting to high. 

-Turkey could use an escalation in the Middle East to occupy Kurdish border regions in Iraq and Syria-maybe even try to put it with Turkey (a safe zone for refugees). 

-Egypt is doing bussiness with the US, EU, UK, Russia. It is fighting IS inside their own country and Libya. IS could become a problem when they get to much power in Syria. 

-Russia is supporting Assad, has good relations with Iran. Is willing to sell a lot of weapons, info etc. to Iran in a further escalation but would try to avoid "global escalation" as much as possible. Invited to support Assad in Syria-with special forces, all kind of weapons (not yet nuclear weapons but able to use that kind of weapons from inside Russia).

-The US is making this war possible by supplying Israel, Saudi Arabia, Gulf States with weapons. Has troops in Iraq and Syria as "advisors", intelligence, special operations etc. Also has troops in Lebanon, Jordan, proberbly Israel, Saudi Arabia. A further escalation will get US troops involved.

-IS is loosing ground both in Syria and Iraq. IS is also involved in the Ukraine and Afghanistan. (In the Ukraine the Azov-regiment is made up of European neo-nazi's, IS may concist of Chechen, central Asia muslims with Russian pasports, Chinese Uyghurs). 

East Asia:

My estimate for North Korea is that there is 75-90% chance of military action. Could be a power take over by the Chinese. Maybe PyongYang would "invite" China to "play a role" to avoid US actions. 

With 80% of North Korean export going to China-and a stop on that trade-North Korea must feel Chinese pressure. China does not want NK nuclear tests close to its borders. China needs economic growth not war. 

Economic-wise North Korea is finished. NK leadership do know that. A war will not bring changes for the better. In South Korea there is a political crisis. Re-unification of the two Korea's is what both countries claim as a long term goal (they only disagree on how). 

The US THAAD-defense system, plans to station US nuclear weapons in South Korea, are not welcomed by China. Also ra-armament of Japan is seen as a problem (and not only by China). 

The South China Conflict could push China and North Korea closer together. Further escalation could also get Russia on their side. 

Small incidents with some "pushing" between Philiphine and Chinese soldiers on a South Chinasea island can blow up to a major conflict within hours. 

Will there be a "World War 3" this year ? The ingredients are there. But the will to go that far may not be there (yet) in Washington, Moscow and Bejing. Other countries could escalate present conflicts, start new conflicts. Things can go bad very fast. I would estimate the chance for WW3 at smaller than 50%. (Indicators are http://thebulletin.org/timeline, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock-also as mentioned http://defconwarningsystem.com/2017/04/12/defcon-warning-system-update-41117/ can give argumented estimate.)

Still major wars will bring extreme sufferings for billions of people. WW1 saw "the Spanish Flu" as a (more deadly than World War 1 itself) "side effect". The H7N9 (or other illnesses) can become a global problem with large numbers of refugees, troop movements etc.


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Since it is a good discription of the present situation:

This is the DEFCON Warning System. Alert status for 7 P.M., Wednesday, April 11th, 2017. Condition code is Blue. DEFCON 4.

There are currently no imminent nuclear threats against the United States at this time, however there are events occurring in the world theater which require closer monitoring

Tensions in the Korean theater have risen to a difficult point.  North Korea, while normally belligerent, is beginning to show signs of being backed into a corner.  This is coupled with a more aggressive posture by the United States, and U.S. allies beginning to accept the idea of a ~preemptive strike on North Korea.  Additionally, the United States has sent a strike group to Korea in a show of force.  Any reasonable nation would suspect an imminent attack, and this may cause North Korea to react.  A preemptive strike by the United States, while unlikely, can not be ruled out at this time.

The signal-to-noise ratio coming out of the Korean theater is very high, and discerning what is real, what is disinformation, and what is hyperbole, is becoming difficult.

In the event of hostilities, the probability of a nuclear attack on the United States is low, but should not be dismissed entirely.  While some analysts do not believe North Korea has the ability to strike the United States directly, others (including The DEFCON Warning System) do believe the possibility exists.  While North Korea can not strike with accuracy, it is believe they do have the ability to at least reach the United States.  It is also possible to strike ports as well as deliver a nuclear device over a land route, though the U.S. border is more secure than it has been recently.

While recent U.S. action in Syria has caused relations between the United States and Russia to suffer, our analysis of the situation is that this was a one-off event and will have no significant repercussions at this time, though Syria has stepped up its interventions and has warned of further incursions.

The DEFCON Warning System is a private intelligence organization which has monitored and assessed nuclear threats against the United States by national entities for over 33 years. It is not affiliated with any government agency and does not represent the alert status of any military branch. The public should make their own evaluations and not rely on the DEFCON Warning System for any strategic planning. At all times, citizens are urged to learn what steps to take in the event of a nuclear attack.

If this had been an actual attack, the DEFCON Warning System will give radiation readings for areas that are reported to it. Your readings will vary. Official news sources will have radiation readings for your area.

For immediate updates, go to www.defconwarningsystem.com . Breaking news and important information can be found on the DEFCON Warning System message board and on the DEFCON Twitter feed DEFCONWSAlerts. You may also subscribe to the You Tube channel DEFCON Warning System and the DEFCON Warning System mailing list. Note that Twitter and You Tube updates may be subject to delays. The next scheduled update is 6 P.M. Pacific Time, May 2nd, 2017. Additional updates will be made as the situation warrants, with more frequent updates at higher alert levels.

This concludes this broadcast of the DEFCON Warning System.

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North Korea,




DJ: When the US or China aim is to stop this NK nuclear test action must be taken before saterday (13 hrs North Korea=7hrs Moscow=04hrs UK=00hrs DC-so if the NK test is expected at 6 AM NK saterday april 15 it is 17 hrs friday in Washington DC)

Both the US and China do not want the nuclear test but for different reasons (US considers NK as a threath for Japan, US, China wants "good relations" is afraid of earthquakes, radiation, refugees.). A US strike proberbly will be answered by NK attacking South Korea, Japan and "NK trying to do maximum damage elsewere". When the threat becomes reality nothing is stopping China for moving into North Korea. (Russia and China most likely will cooperate https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/3657 . The NK testsite is 400 km from the NK-Russia border, 120 km from the NK-China border. 

Syria;


http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13960123001090 The US cruisemissiles could not be as effective as the US want them to be. 



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https://www.superstation95.com/, https://israelinewslive.org/ are moving into "warmode". 

Would the MOAB (=not: Mother-Of-All-Bombs  but Massive Ordnance Air Blast) be able to destroy the NK nuclear test site (in a mine) ? Could one blow "do the job"? http://www.debka.com/newsupdatepopup/20355/Conflicting-reports-on-US-plans-for-preventative-N-Korea-strike,(Vice President Pence visiting Seoul SK sunday does not mean the US will attack before that time DJ) http://www.debka.com/article/26010/US-drops-MOAB-first-time-in-combat-in-Afghanistan (https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/12/trump-withholds-syria-sarin-evidence/ chemical attack in Syria came from Jordan ???)

We may be combining a (1956) Suez-crisis with a (1962) Cuba-crisis. And that is bad news.

INL was expecting some major news from the US. They report that Russia has replaced the lost Syrian Mig aircraft-due to the US Tomahawk-attack-by more modern Sukhoi-bombers. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-13/trump-may-send-50000-troops-syria

Russia may be having talks with Syria and Iran, China proberbly is trying to influence North Korea-both are doing so to avoid further major escalation. (http://english.cctv.com/2017/04/14/ARTIsbso3RHJvJCo7JuQvlGT170414.shtml Putin going to China may 14/15 ) http://www.globalresearch.ca/china-sounds-the-alarm-trump-prepares-for-war-against-korea/5584808 US is telling Russia to drop Syria, telling China to drop North Korea 'or else"-this is not a way the US-Trump_ should be dealing with other world leaders DJ)

China would defend North Korea if NK would give up its nuclear program. (INL ???) It could be that when the US strikes North Korea Pyongyang gives in to China and China "tells" the US to stop further military action. (https://already-happened.com/2017/04/13/recent-footage-shows-a-lot-of-chinese-military-vehicles-deploying-toward-north-korea-border-prob-air-def-systems/ That Chinese air-defence is not moving towards North Korea to defend China from NK airforce-it is there to be used-when needed-to defend NK against US attacks).

Another big question is did Trump give "the military" free hand to do what they think is needed ? 

We will have to much info (not always correct) can expect "interesting times".

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North Korea can likely "hit" Seoul SK without much effort.  There are many tunnels that were built from North to South, so it is likely that Seoul has been seeded with chemical weapons, dirty bombs, maybe even nuclear warheads ahead of any military action. 

Similarly, they could have nukes in ships at sea, ready to sail into harbors of Japan, Hawaii etc.  

These are clever folks who have survived for decades on sheer willpower, so I don't think this will be an easy undertaking....they will be fighting for their own survival, and Kim Il Sung is revered as god-like. 
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CRS,DrPH, proberbly many/all North Koreans are that intimidated and brought up with the idea of a "Kim" leading them the way. They may "follow him wereever he may go". Reminds me of the fanatism of the Japanese during WW2 with a "god-like emperor"-a mix of nationalism with religion.

I understand there is a dam north of Seoul wich would flood Seoul when it would break. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul Seoul urban area has 50% of all South Koreans-16th city in the world with 25 milion inhabitants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imnam_Dam Imnam dam is just north of the DMZ not far from Seoul. North Korea has 22 milion people-so the Seoul urban region has more people than their northern neighbour).

The "Day of the Sun" (105th birthday of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Il-sung) did NOT see the long expected nuclear test. Maybe Russia-US-China (RUC) did have enough pressure to stop the test ?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-14/chinese-media-almost-sets-world-war-3-erroneous-north-korea-headline "Launching a new missile at a parade" almost got intreperted as "launching it from a NK submarine". (The SLBM Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile in the hands of NK is bad news.)

Legally it is hard to explain why some countries would have a right to have nuclear weapons and others would not have that right. Why should Israel be allowed to have nuclear weapons and Iran not ? The way out of this problem could be Russian-US-China cooperation. With at the end nu nuclear weapons at this planet. (For the moment an utopia. There was news that a US strike on NK nuclear site could cause 6x Tjernobyl-radiation output. (http://enenews.com/ is already full of ongoing nuclear disasters-North Korean radiation would reach the US/Canada.) http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-14/us-conducts-successful-field-test-new-nuclear-gravity-bomb


http://www.conflict-news.com/live-feed/ with news from several wars....


A. The North doesn't test anything for now - Basically tensions lower. The North stops its testing for now. Despite the build up in the area the United States doesn't preemptively strike the North with Trump backing off as well. Since the North Korean program would remain in effect and would continue to develop basically President Trump would be kicking the can down the road like previous Presidents. Furthermore the United States would lose face with the international community in the medium run. We did this big military build up in the area and sabre rattled...for nothing. 

B. The North conducts their test and the West doesn't strike - North Korea gains credibility. Chairman Un becomes more bold moving into the future seeing that President Trump's threats were without merit. I'd expect to see an ICBM test in the near future if this timeline happens. President Trump would lose all credibility among the international community having lost a stare down with the North Koreans. East Asia would become less stable in the short term. 

C. The North conducts their test and the West strikes - This is where things become blurry. Things could spiral horribly out of control so much so that we see a Sino-American Nuclear War that results in billions of deaths. On the other extreme we could see a very small response by the North Koreans like a minor artillery shelling. It is hard to say. If President Trump orders strikes on North Korea the ball would be in the North's court.


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UTC 11.15

UTC 11.10
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/40222-new-revelations-belie-trump-claims-on-syria-chemical-attack Russia informed US about Syrian airstrike on "rebel depot" wich caused "gas attack".

UTC 08.32

UTC 08.02 

UTC 07.49

…the US has produced approximately 600 micro nukes, some of them smaller than a soccer ball, with the capability as low as a single ton of TNT dialable up to 40 tons of TNT. There is evidence that those weapons have been used in Iraq and Afghanistan. Studies have found uranium 235 to be in the bodies of the population there.”

The United States’ use of powerful genetic weapons such as depleted uranium on the battle field is in violation of every conceivable international law, says an analyst.

Depleted uranium has a half-life of 4.5 billion years and has thus earned the title “The silent killer that will never stop killing”.


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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-16/mcmaster-working-china-range-options-respond-threatening-north-korea-behavior






Out of a basketful of aggressive options, DEBKAfile’s military and intelligence experts pick the four most likely methods the Americans may have applied to thwart the latest North missile launch:

1. Sabotage of the missile’s fuel, guidance, or communications systems, or of its exterior or the launch pad.

Method: Cutting of cables or fuel lines, changing the flight system’s programming, etc.

Possible perpetrators: Engineers secretly collaborating with the US or those motivated by hatred, jealousy or other factors.

2. Sabotage of the missile’s command and control system, such as changing its flight commands, ignition system, or ordering it to self-destruct, as is done to avoid landing in an unintended location or falling into enemy hands.

Method: Secretly planting instructions in the command and control system, or interfering with the controllers in charge of sending instructions to the missile

Possible perpetrators: mission control staff or military engineers involved in the composition of the command and control programs.

3. Electronic warfare against the command and control systems in the mission control center by sending powerful electromagnetic pulses to disrupt communications with the missile.

Method: US warships, surveillance planes or satellites

Possible perpetrators: US army or navy

4. A cyberattack against the missile’s control system that changes the electronic commands and downs the missile

Method: Planting of malware that enables the attackers to seize control of the computer system without being detected

Possible perpetrators: US intelligence agencies, first and foremost the National Security Agency.   




Trump said he learned the relationship between China and the DPRK is not as simple as he thought. But, he said he still thinks there's room for China to do more.
In the week that has passed, the two presidents have talked again with Trump calling Xi to discuss various issues. Just days ago, Trump declined to label China a currency manipulator something he previously promised to do.Since those meetings at his Mar-a-Lago estate, Trump's public comments on China have remained largely positive a sharp contrast to before meeting President Xi.

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https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/3697 China and Russia keeping an eye on US activity close to NK. 



NK special forces

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DJ: Since 1945 the world came close to World War 3 (WW3) several times. In october 1950 Chinese forces moved into North Korea during the Korean War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War. Also during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War Russians were shooting at Americans and v.v.. During the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War the Soviet Union was unloading nuclear weapons in Alexandria Egypt to stop the Israeli offensive west of the Suez Canal (50 miles east of Cairo). 

We at this moment have several conflicts-Ukraine, Middle East, India/Pakistan, Yemen, South China Sea, Korea that may get out of control. All major players, the US, Russia, China, France, Uk, know the risks involved. The North Korea-crisis is about Weapons of Mass Destruction, NK is able to do a lot of damage around the globe. In that way the present situation is different from earlier events. 

The US, Russia (or Soviet Union) and China not having direct communications is not new. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow%E2%80%93Washington_hotline After the Cuba-(Turkey)-missile crises the US and Russia made a direct line to avoid "war by mistake". Evenso there were several moments these past decades the US or Russia believed to be under attack due to radar problems etc. 

The present situation is very dangerous. I do not want any government to bring me in this danger-this is not what governments are meant to do. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-16/ron-paul-peace-popular-people-dont-start-wars. Is World War 3 just hours away ? I hope not ! 
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DJ, The US under Trump continues to have a clueless foreign policy. Trump may loose European support by his support of Erdogan as well. It will proberbly be a matter of time before North Korea does her nuclear test-maybe this time under the protection of Russia and China. 

The Tomahawk-strike in Syria does translate in more Russian and Iran wareffort. The US has troops in the region but large scale operations of US troops inside Syria are seen as a US invasion of Syria (for oil). Both in the Arab world and in Syria there is not much support for such a move. 

The US has become a blind giant getting isolated.
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does Trump even know who Erdogan is and what he has done in Turkey?

maybe someone needs to get him a newspaper subscription

I seriously wonder sometimes if he can even read
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EU members refrained from accepting the vote before the ongoing legal fight over it is decided. Only Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other Gulf and Central Asian dictatorships congratulated him. The terrorist group Ahrar al Sham, which fights the people and government of Syria, also congratulated Erdogan. Al-Qaeda in Syria, under its new alliance name HTS, joined in as well as otherTakfiri groups in Syria.

Like the EU countries the U.S. State Department held out on congratulations. It only released a statement that noted reports of voting "irregularities" and an "uneven playing field". It voiced support for inner-Turkish dialog and legal processes. White House spokesman Sean Spicer said the U.S. administration would wait until the final report by the international observers mission was released.

The State Department and the spokesman were quickly undermined by President Trump. Only an hour later the Turkish side reported of a Trump-Erdogan telephone conversation:

U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday called Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to congratulate him on the referendum victory.

The two leaders had a "pleasant" call which lasted for 45 minutes, diplomatic sources said.

This was later confirmed by a White House readout of the call. (The readout is not yet on the White House website but was sent out to the press via email).

(DJ, Trump puts himself in the same group as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and IS.)

The published content of the call does not bode well for Turkey, Syria and Iraq (emphasis added):

“President Trump and President Erdogan also discussed the counter-ISIS campaign and the need to cooperate against all groups that use terrorism to achieve their ends,” the White House statement said.

The Turkish version of the readout was worse:

The two leaders also discussed an alleged chemical attack by the Syrian government on April 4 that killed approximately 100 civilians and injured 500 others in the opposition-held town of Khan Sheikhoun in Idlib province. 
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Trump and Erdoğan agreed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was responsible for the attack.

The U.S. president also thanked Turkey for its support for U.S. missile strikes on the Shayrat air base on April 7 in retaliation for the chemical attack.

Both leaders also stressed the need for cooperation in the fight against terror groups, including the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

The Khan Sheikhun incident was likely a "false flag" attack initiated by the terrorists on the ground -possibly with Turkish support. The proven number of casualties was far less than the statement claims. The only purpose of the following U.S. missile strikes was to dispel allegations that Trump is in cahoots with Russia.

(DJ on the gas attack MIT:)

The conclusion is that the nerve agent attack described in the White House Intelligence Report did not occur as claimed. There may well have been mass casualties from some kind of poisoning event, but that event was not the one described by the WHR.

The findings of this expanded analysis can serve two important purposes:

1. It shows exactly what needs to be determined in an international investigation of this alleged atrocity.

In particular, if an international investigation can determine where casualties from the nerve agent attack lived, it will confirm that the findings reported by the White House Report are incompatible with its own cited data.

2. It also establishes that the White House Report did not utilize simple and widely agreed upon intelligence analysis procedures to determine its conclusions.

This raises troubling questions about how the US political and military leadership determined that the Syrian government was responsible for the alleged attack. It is particularly of concern that the White House Report presented itself as a report with “high confidence” findings and that numerous high-level officials in the US government have confirmed their belief that the report was correct and executed to a standard of high confidence.

Theodore A. Postol

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(DJ, the 2013 gas-attack was done by the "rebels" with help from "the west", "gulf states". Outside the US that "west" is blamed for the wars in Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Somalia etc. That "west" supported the mass-murder of Kurdish people for decades in Turkey, Iran and Iraq. That "west" supported dictators in Latin America-killing tens of thousends of people. How mich credebility does that "west" thinks remains ? 

The North Korea-crisis may put Russia-Iran-China even more together. The fossil fuels wars by the west, causing dramatic climate change and earthquakes, making rich even better of and on the other hand drasticly increase poverty, slavery and mass starvation, has made that "west"unacceptable for most educated people. 

An elite is running that "west" undemocraticly. Democracy itself is in a crisis.)

Moon of Alabama:

The "Sarin Attack on Khan Sheikhun", which the White House and its Ambassador to the UN blamed on the Syrian government, did not happen - at least not in the way that was claimed. They Syrian government had no motive at all to mount such an attack. It was in the mid of a winning streak.  The incident benefited al-Qaeda in Syria which dominates the area in question but was losing on the battle field. In "response" to the claimed attack the U.S. bombed the Syrian military airport Al Syairat. This was the main air base for the Syrian airforce involved in fighting the Islamic State in eastern-Syria. The attack amounted to U.S. air support on request of al-Qaeda and the Islamic State. The Trump administration initiated these events for domestic purpose. They let Trump to look sufficient belligerent and presidential and dispelled false allegations of association with Russia by the Democrats and the media. To justify the attack the White House released a report written by the National Security Council, not by intelligence services. The report was full of holes and ridiculous assertions.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euKWaXu6vrg Israeli News Live: Did Russia and China agree to protect North Korea ? (And is that why the US did not attack ? Did Russia warn the US to stop their oil-wars around the globe "or else"? see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCbRODaXBcE India buying Mig-29 s ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bEZsr3tPX8 Sri Lanka buying Chinese fighters)








DJ, If Russia and China told Trump not to attack North Korea (or Syria-further US/NATO "aid" in Ukraine etc) will that stop Trump ? The build-up of forces continues. Not a good sign !
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