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Ooh - I like the way you think...
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Jacksdad, I am having a hard time visualizing this project.  Is there a link you can provide. 
I went for a walk the other morning and I saw a neighbor have delivered 4 huge plastic square containers with what looked like some sort of metal framing going around it.  Anyway they sit in their garage???  I am guessing these things must hold 500 gal each.  Are these what cost $1 per gallon to buy?
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    No links that I know of - I don't think they're commercially available. If anyone starts making them, you know where to send the check...   
    The containers with steel cages can be bought new on the internet, and I've seen used ones on Craigslist and eBay, but you have to be sure you can clean them. I've seen them used for mineral oil and chemicals. New ones are pretty pricey but extremely durable. The problem for me is that they take up a lot of space when they're not being used. I'm thinking of something that will store flat until I need it. I've got a house and yard full of toys (who knew Hot Wheels made so many things?) so space is important at the moment.
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Tadeo, here is a link. www.chdist.com
 
The tank your describing sounds like the Schultz IBC Tank.
It is a square polyethylene tank enclosed with an electrogalvanized cage.
It is UN Certified for hazardous materials. They cost $1.40 per gallon up to 330 gallons.
This is a sophistigated tank for neighborhood use??!??!!??
 
A good tank for water is the Centennial Storage Tanks.
They come in sizes of 110 gallons for $196.00
to 2500 gallons for $1,368.00 
 
As jacksdad said, you should be able to find lower cost
low-tech tanks from other sources.
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Wow!  That's alot of money to store water.  I think I may stick to just getting one of those above ground pools and cover it.  The one I am looking at holds 526 gallons (8'x30") for $50 at Walmart.  Oh, and a bottle of bleach.  What is it, 7 drops of bleach per gallon of water?
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Tadeo..do you know these neighbors....are they using them for water...or what else, that many chemicals in any neighborhood would be dangerous ....trying not to be an alarmist ..but it might be a good idea to keep your eyes open.....
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Tadeo - many plastics (unless they're specifically "food grade") contain toxins such as lead that can leach into stored water. If you have a filter capable of removing the bad stuff you'll be okay. I just priced up a collapsible "onion" container for storing potable water (too expensive - $1600 with a lid for 600 gallons), and the salesman told me that the material on the outside was different from the inside. The lining had to be made of an FDA approved material to make it suitable for storing potable water. Even regular garden hoses have warnings about not using them for drinking water because of the lead content.  
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Thanks Jacksdad, you saved me $60.  I didn't even care to think of food grade.  I knew about it but it just didn't cross my mind.  Thanks!  I guess i'll just continue to stock up on case water.
 
Starspirit, no I don't know them.  When we walked by all I saw was these four large, very large containers sitting in their driveway.  When we came back from running they weren't there anymore.  I have seen them before, they are a couple in their fifties???  I think they are probably one those crazy survivalist types who are preparing for some sort of disaster.  Bunch of nut jobs!  Big%20smile
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well then I guess you know the type real wellLOL
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Tadeo...the plastic in case water is Not safe for long storage..Walmart or other  stores of this type carry water containers in the camping goods department on the bottom the code HDPE with a triangle with a 2 in it..the ones I have hold 7 gal and stack......flumom gave us the link to cube4water.com
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Well, after making a big deal about not wanting water containers that take up too much space, I bought a couple of steel 55 gallon drums. The price was right ($25 for two - they would have let me have them for $10 each if I'd bought more than five) and so the back of the motorhome is now even more cluttered. They're in beautiful shape and just need a wash (they had silicone in them) but they're new and the inside is coated so they should be okay for water, although I'm looking into getting some food grade drum liners to make doubly sure though.
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Drum liners are a good idea.
 
55 gallon, low density, polyethylene, form-fit liner, meets FDA standards 4 mil to 10 mil thick, $6.00 per 50.
 
Solid, smooth or accordion, formed inserts 18 mil thick, $12.00 per 15
 
Rigid poly covers, opaque or clear, $7.00 per 25.
 
 
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Just checked their site and that's the price for one liner with a minimum order of 50. United States Plastic Corp. has them for sale in any amount you like though. Good prices too. Anybody else gone the steel drum route? It seems that the plastic drums are the most popular, although the ones I've seen are also more expensive than the steel drums I just picked up. I figure a few more dollars for good FDA approved liners and I'll be in good shape. If I can clear a space for another two I might make the most of it and pick up some more while I can. 220 gallons of storage for $50 plus the liners seems like a good deal.
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one of the farm supplies store around here had 55 gallon plastic drums for $39. I haven't check them out yet..most areas have feed or grain stores around...lots of people with horses etc...we have sheep....
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Mississipp Mama :  You should look into a shallow well you can put in your self.
 
All you need is a couple of strong guys, the proper equipment, a 3 day weekend, and a case or two of cold beer!    :)
 
Home depot has the equipment to help.  It all depends on the sub-soil conditions where you live.  Is it sand or lime stone?
 
I put a 55' well in my back yard over a 3 day weekend for under 400 dollars.  That is with a 4" pipe.  I use a hand pump to bring up water as I need it. 
 
 
Good points:  It is fast , cheap and you do not need the EPA involved.
 
Bad Points:  It is shallow so if you have a drought you may run dry.
                    It all depends on the soil conditions  if you can drill
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Richard, How can you find out if an area is suitable for drilling? I already have a well in my current home, but I recently found out we will have to move in the next 3 months for my husband's job. I am looking for a house with a well/septic tank, but since we are moving much closer to a larger city it is very difficult to find one. So, I think my "plan B" is to buy a house with city water and have a well drilled, but is there a way to determine the feasibilty of this before buying?
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Richard, I thought a hand pump would only work if the well was less than 30 feet. Tell me more. Would it be easier to use 2 inch pipe? We have a metal roof and I would love to have it guttered and have a big plastic tank for the gutters to empty into. But I want the hamd pump also. We may have to irrigate a garden. We have a jet pump and the 4 inch with the pump on bottom but all that takes elec. I want backups.
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Great deal on large water containers if you live in or near Georgia:

http://bham.craigslist.org/grd/725145587.html
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Containers That Can be Used for Water Storage

Food-grade plastic or glass containers are suitable for storing water. One-, three- and five-gallon water containers can be purchased from most outdoor or hardware stores. Any plastic or glass container that previously held food or beverages such as 2-liter soda bottles or water, juice, punch or milk jugs, also may be used. Stainless steel can be used to store water which has not been or will not be treated with chlorine; chlorine is corrosive to most metals.

Clean used containers and lids with hot soapy water. Once the containers have been thoroughly cleaned, rinse them with water and sanitize the containers and lids by rinsing them with a solution of 1 tablespoon chlorine bleach per gallon of water. Leave the containers wet for two minutes, then rinse them again with water. Remember to remove the paper or plastic lid liners before washing the lids. It is very difficult to effectively remove all residue from many containers, so carefully clean hard-to-reach places like the handles of milk jugs. To sanitize stainless steel containers, place the container in boiling water for 10 minutes. Never use containers that previously held chemicals.


Emergency Water Storage

How to Store Water
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Susan T,
 
Start by asking your mayors office for advice.
They will know whom you should call.
County and state government agencies monitor surface and sub-surface water.
 
Also, contact the reference desk of your local library.
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