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Ok another calcium hypochlorite question. My pool store only carries 73%, is that too high? They only carry big buckets for $77, which is ok cause I will always use it in the pool later, but I don't want to get it if the % is too high to use for drinking water. The other option is Walmart, but they only have the 56% and it has other ingredients, but doesn't list the other ingredients? Or should I keep looking? I can check another pool store, K Mart? Does it absolutely have to be the 65%, I know the earlier post says it must be no more than 65%, why? And there are two different types, both cost the same, both have the same ingredients and %, but one you mix with water first before adding to the water, the other you just add directly to the water, which is better? Thanks for any help.
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Another water question: we have two bathtubs. One the standard size you find in most apartments, the larger one is quite deep. Can somebody help me figure out the math so I can calculate how much water I can store in them? Thanks much
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I found this on calculating water in an aquarium... same principle I would imagine.

http://www.aquariumfish.net/information/aquarium_arithmetic. htm

2.  How much Water Does my Aquarium Hold?
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here to read the Recommended Treatment, which includes adding one drop of Quick Cure for each gallon of water and one Tablespoon of Aquarium Salt for each five gallons of water.  To give your fish the Recommended Treatment you'll need to know how many gallons of water your aquarium holds. Here's how to measure and calculate the volume of your aquarium.
   
     
  • Measure your aquarium from the left edge to the right edge. For example, my aquarium measures 18 inches.
     

  • Measure your aquarium from the bottom edge to the top edge. My aquarium is 12 inches.
     

  • Measure the aquarium along the side from the front edge to the back edge. Mine is 12 inches.
     

  • Multiply the three measurements. I got my small calculator and carefully entered 18 x 12 x 12 = 2592 cubic inches. Then multiply that number by 0.00433 to convert from cubic inches to gallons. I got 11.2 gallons of water in my aquarium.

   

To get a more accurate answer I realized I should have measured inside the aquarium. Measuring inside I get 17.75 x 11.75 x 11.75 = 2450.6, multiplied by 0.00433 is 10.6 gallons. So measuring inside the aquarium instead of outside reduces the volume from 11.2 to 10.6 gallons of water inside my aquarium

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  Water goes for $5.00 a gallon after an emergency such as Katrina. Here is a link to a good article about emergency water supplies. Best bet is to use new food grade containers designed for water.

Figure 1-2 gallons per day per person. If someone is sick with H5 they will be losing fluids from every opening. They'll need extra.

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Could someone please tell me how long commercial bottled water stays good in 90 degree temperature? Looking at 2 months of hot summer weather
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It will be fine. I have had bottles in my boat/quad/packs for over a year, did not kill me.
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Sohia, I just realized that I didn't thank you for the math formula. How rude of me! Thank you very, very much. Now I know I can store another 120 gls. Right now my filled containers are in them (kind of out of sight), but can be filled rapidly. What do you think about the inflatable pools, which can be gotten fairly inexpensivly. I found two different sizes at Walmart which have a cover. I have a covered deck in back, which I'm planning on using for shower/decon area, I think I'd be able to fit the smaller one there, which would give me another 125 gls. Any thoughts/opinions??
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for anybody in the UK, EBAY is good for purchasing water storage containers-i found huge plastic water butts with taps on there for 5.99 each plus 10 each postage,and plastic 5L jerry cans for 55pence.

Maybe EBAY has similar bargains on the pages for other countries too.

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I've got a gravity filter with just 4 filters, no extras but they can be cleaned with bleach. Does anybody know if I should boil or use bleach first before filtering and then the filter could take out some of the chlorine taste. Although that might not be a good thing because I read if you can't smell the chlorine then it disapated(sp?) & you need to add some more. I have a 55 gal barrell in the garage, empty. Will bring inside and fill on final prep and several cases of Poland Springs which we use instead of tap water now. For 14 yrs. we had R.O. system w.UV and it was really great water. After hurricane Floyd the water by us was no good and we were the only ones I knew in our town who didn't have to boil it. We moved 6 mo. ago and my dogs got really sick from the city water in the new place, so we had to stop using it. Even boiling didn't help.  Now they're good but we wont use it. Wonder what's really in it that most people are drinking. Yuk.

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  Does anyone know how much i can expect to pay to have a hand pump well installed?  If you know of any sites that could give me some info, that would be great.  Does any one have any experience installing these.  Do i need to put some kind of filter on it?
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http://www.pwgazette.com/gravity.htm

Cheap and quick but should work like a champ.  I've used these filters for years and they are great.  Anything down to sheep puddles will clean up through this rig.  Prefilter with anything handy, coffee filters would be ideal, pour through into main holding tank.

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Can anyone advise on good water purifiers and filter please.
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Andy,

The post above yours. Doulton's are hard to beat!

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Hi Everyone:  I have about 45 gallons of water stored in drums in the garage.  I figured that was enough because we have a swimming pool - and I was just going to use the water in there (boiled or otherwise purified).

However, just this morning I caught two ducks who had overnighted in the pool.  Major bummer.  Now I am thinking that I need to really store more water because the pool water could easily become contaminated.

Just wanted everyone else to think about this too.

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I was thinking of filling several large gargage containers with tap water. I have 50 cases of water for drinking plus 20 cases cans of juice .   I will also fill up every container I can find in the house.
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There are more questions than answers on this thread. I fear we are not that clear on the water solutions. Just not that easy, or cheap solutions I guess. Many challenges with this.  :>{
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Walmart has some inflatable pools in various price ranges. I'm considering one which will hold over 3,900 gallons for about $200. Has a cover so it should be safe. 
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Can anyone who purchased collapsable 5 gallon containers tell me if I need to purchase a spigot for each one, or can the same spigot be used over and over?
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I found this on the EPA's web site

 

http://www.epa.gov/safewater/faq/emerg.html

 

CHLORINE METHODS

Chlorine Bleach: When boiling is not practical, chemical disinfection should be used. Common household bleach contains a chlorine compound that will disinfect water. The procedure to be followed is usually written on the label. When the necessary procedure is not given, find the percentage of available chlorine on the label and use the information in the following tabulation as a guide.

Available Chlorine

Drops per Quart of Clear Water

1%

10

4-6%

2

7-10%

1

(If strength is unknown, add ten drops per quart of water. Double amount of chlorine for cloudy or colored water or water that is extremely cold.)

The treated water should be mixed thoroughly and allowed to stand, preferably covered, for 30 minutes. The water should have a slight chlorine odor; if not, repeat the dosage and allow the water to stand for an additional 15 minutes. If the treated water has too strong a chlorine taste, it can be made more pleasing by allowing the water to stand exposed to the air for a few hours or by pouring it from one clean container to another several times.

Granular Calcium Hypochlorite. Add and dissolve one heaping teaspoon of high-test granular calcium hypochlorite (approximately 1/4 ounce) for each two gallons of water. The mixture will produce a stock chlorine solution of approximately 500 mg/L, since the calcium hypochlorite has an available chlorine equal to 70 percent of its weight. To disinfect water, add the chlorine solution in the ratio of one part of chlorine solution to each 100 parts of water to be treated. This is roughly equal to adding 1 pint (16 oz.) of stock chlorine to each 12.5 gallons of water to be disinfected. To remove any objectionable chlorine odor, aerate the water as described above.

Chlorine Tablets.Chlorine tablets containing the necessary dosage for drinking water disinfection can be purchased in a commercially prepared form. These tablets are available from drug and sporting goods stores and should be used as stated in the instructions. When instructions are not available, use one tablet for each quart of water to be purified.

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