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Hey Turboguy, if you need someone to babysit your guns while you're in Iraq just ship them over.Thumbs%20Up

p.s.  If you happen to see any Kalashnikov's lying around that nobody wants well......you know.
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Turbo..........saying "There is never going to be a draft again".......................Never say never!! In a National crises .............The U.S. would use the draft again!

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Turbo,  take care over there, Godspeed  and check in with us from time to time.  And we thank you for your service to us and our country.
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Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:

me too :)  
 
So I'm wondering when this blockade will happen and how close will we get and what will the reaction of the Iranians be?  Isn't this how Russia drove Georgia nuts?
They kept up the in your face stuff for a long time until Georgia attacked, then they were at the ready right there waiting to rush over into Georgia just as Pres. Saakashvili related.


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Originally posted by medclinician medclinician wrote:

Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:

me too :)  
 
So I'm wondering when this blockade will happen and how close will we get and what will the reaction of the Iranians be?  Isn't this how Russia drove Georgia nuts?
They kept up the in your face stuff for a long time until Georgia attacked, then they were at the ready right there waiting to rush over into Georgia just as Pres. Saakashvili related.


You might notice a resounding snip in what little media attention this stirred and then silence. The invasion of Russia in Georgia had a huge effect in terms of taking attention off the Iran developing nuke crisis.

---- for those of you who caught a brief glimpse - that was "too hot to put up". Sorry. It basically goes into the extremely complex situation in Iran.

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Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:

Originally posted by TheWalkinDude TheWalkinDude wrote:

Ships readying for war.Ships guarding our front and back doors.If we attack Iran I expect the draft to quickly follow along with our Prez declaring martial law.
Look to those you know in the armed forces for real information as the news only gives half truths and misinformation.
 
There's never going to be a draft again, don't be ridiculous.
 
I'm in the military and I don't ever want to have to rely on people that might not want to be there. There's a reason that we've got the best, most professional, smartest military the world has ever known: We don't have any dumbass conscripts to screw it all up! The military even is totally against conscription as it's not like we're getting the best and brightest through these programs. The US military can stand toe to toe with any other country's military and come out on top. I like that situation, and you should too.

I'm getting sent to Iraq in September, they didn't give me a specific date until four days ago. They don't tell me anything more than what you could figure out from looking at the internet or watching television.


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Turbo- you are preaching to the veteran choir here. In 'Nam we had people in platoons who were plucked right off the street and in less than 6 weeks out of Basic Training and maybe some had special forces training some of us got sent straight into combat; all of a sudden some kid from wherever is lighting up a cigarette in the night, or won't walk point and you wind up with your nose to the ground under heavy fire,  as a buddy steps on a trip wire sets off a bomb,  ambushed.

Those of us who have been in the military know that your buddies in your company or squad or platoon (whether you like some of them or not or whether some of them are totally zoned or don't want to be there) especially, is all you have except for air back up, artillery sometimes,  and a radio between you and a lot of very hostile people who want you dead.

It takes courage Turbo, especially to go into one of the most dangerous types of combat and dangerous areas on the planet. My prayers are with you and we know other soldiers over there in some pretty rough places. Take it a day at time, watch your back in case someone isn't and understand few back home really will ever understand exactly what it is like - except those who have been there.

Trained and seasoned fighters make all the difference on the planet.  From the time I hit basic until I left honorably after my service, we were always a team, thought and worked as a team, and we didn't do it to be nice guys. We did it to stay alive and survive to return to our loved ones. We were 101st. Take it a day at a time.

You are going to hear of wars and rumors of wars. See to it that you are not alarmed. These things must take place, but the end hasn't come yet   Matthew 24:6

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MED...
 
Do you mean the headline by DEBKAFILE? 
Arab World Fears War may be impending
 
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The US government dose not need a draft. There is a executive order that in case of a national emergency all veterans to 55 years old can be called back to active service. There are a lot of us vets out there, they could even call me back, a 13 year vet at 53 years old.
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  We've got jet fighters flying overhead continually, either taking off from or landing at North Island Naval Air Station. We've never seen this much activity. It's been going on until 10 o'clock the past few nights, and they come in so low you can't hold a conversation with the front door ajar. It's nearly 10 o'clock at night and since I started to write this two jets have flown over the neighborhood. The noise is incredible. They're definitely getting ready for something. 
  Turboguy - we've had our differences of opinion in the past, but I just wanted to wish you all the best over there, and come back safe.
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Yeah Tadeo, I'll bet you'd love to babysit my new AUG, G36, M14, or my AK's and AR15's...
 
Originally posted by gypsy gypsy wrote:

Turbo..........saying "There is never going to be a draft again".......................Never say never!! In a National crises .............The U.S. would use the draft again!
 
Yeah Gypsy, but that's the one and only way, and it'd have to be the big one. For instance the Yellowstone caldera going boom would fit nicely into that example, as would an avian flu outbreak.
 
Lone Wolf, that's the inactive reserve recall rule you're talking about. It's technically only ten years after you leave the military, but yeah you could be called back after you get out. They figure you're still reasonably proficient at your job up to ten years after you're done. I think it might be a little weird to have a pile of 55+ year old vets throwing on fashionable kevlar and heading into the fray.  I don't think they're going to do that one either, unless we're getting invaded etc.
 
Everyone else, thanks for the support, and I'll post here if I can. This is going to be an extremely short tour. I've got some Iraqis to train and they're going to send me over for two months now, then nine come May. I'm cool with it though, two years of near tax freedom sounds pimpin' to me!
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Turbo............just be careful in Iraq! We may have had differences.........but I wish you all the best! ...........impart some of your wisdom to Iraq's soldiers.

Russia is doing some serious saber rattling!
 
Who knows what happens next.
 
 

 

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Turboguy, because of you we enjoy freedom that no other people in the world have, I thank you from my heart. God Bless you and keep you under His protection.

I also agree with you that a draft will never happen unless someone directly attacks the U.S. I also agree with you that you do not want some person who does not want to be there fighting next to you.

Take care and as soon as you get back get on AFT and tell us you are home! God Bless you Turboguy!

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Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:

MED...
 
Do you mean the headline by DEBKAFILE? 
Arab World Fears War may be impending
 


Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:

MED...
 
Do you mean the headline by DEBKAFILE? 
Arab World Fears War may be impending
 

For readers not familiar with Debkafile and what we are discussing in terms of what they are putting out there:

DEBKAfile (Hebrew: תיקדבקה‎) is an Israeli, Jerusalem-based English language open source military intelligence website with commentary and analyses on terrorism, intelligence, security, and military and political affairs in the Middle East.

It began in the summer of 2000, and is operated from the Jerusalem home of veteran journalists Giora Shamis and Diane Shalem.[1] It has been awarded Forbes' Best of The Web award.[2] Forbes identifies the best part of the website as being its archives, but decries the fact that "most of the information is attributed to unidentified sources."

Debka has been criticized as a fringe outfit catering to conspiracy theorists. Yediot Achronot's investigative reporter Ronen Bergman claims that the site relies on information from sources with an agenda, such as the rightist elements of the American Republican Party, and that Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of the site's content to be reliable.[1]

The site's operators claim that 80 percent of what Debka reports turns out to be true, and point out their 2000 prediction that al-Qaeda would strike the World Trade Center, and that they had warned well before the 2006 war in Lebanon that Hezbollah had amassed 12,000 Katyusha rockets that were pointed at northern Israel.[1]

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  1. ^ a b c Israeli Web site Debka.com at center of New York ‘dirty bomb’ tip
  2. ^ Debkafile on Forbe's "Best of Web"
comment: So we have a highly controversial information source which may release media outside the media mainstream.

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http://www.metimes.com/International/2008/08/11/special_report_kuwait_readying_for_war_in_gulf/7724/

Congressional Initiative

The naval blockade against Iran, which is tantamount to a declaration of war, is a bipartisan project, which has tacitly been endorsed by the Democrats. In May 2008, a bill was introduced in the House of Representatives (H.CON. RES 362) that called for the enforcement of an all out economic blockade, including the encroachment of trade and the freeze of monetary transactions with the Islamic Republic:

"The President [shall] initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran .... prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran's nuclear program."

"[H. CON. RES. 362] urges the President, in the strongest of terms, to immediately use his existing authority to impose sanctions on the Central Bank of Iran, ... international banks which continue to conduct financial transactions with proscribed Iranian banks; ... energy companies that have invested $20,000,000 or more in the Iranian petroleum or natural gas sector in any given year since the enactment of the Iran Sanctions Act of 1996; and all companies which continue to do business with Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps." (See full text of H.CON RES 362) (emphasis added)

Meanwhile, H CON RES 362 has been referred to the House Foreign Affairs Committee. A similar procedure has taken place in the Senate.

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Okay - this is another obscure piece of net data which I post as interesting and will include a link. There is a lot of specifics being thrown around as well as fairly intense "news." It is not at all improbable and has been stated that Russia would take action militarily in the Gulf. This is for interest only with no firm confirmation of content or credibility. That being said.

http://eldib.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/russia-orders-%E2%80%98destruction%E2%80%99-oBLEEPs-naval-armada-in-persian-gulf/

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Russia Orders Destruction of US Naval Armada in Persian Gulf

Reports in the Kremlin today are stating that Prime Minister Putin has ordered the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation to put the Volga-Urals Military District and Black Sea Fleet on ‘full war alert’ to prepare for the defense of the Iranian Nation against what is being termed as an ‘imminent attack’ being planned by the Western Powers.

As we had previously reported on in our August 8th report, ;Kuwait goes on war alert as Armada heads for Iran', the fears of Russian Military Analysts have been realized with the US backed puppet state of Georgia launching an unprecedented and unprovoked attack upon the Russian protected enclave of South Ossetia, and to which the latest reports have put the death toll at over 1,500 citizens of Russia and over 15 Russian Peacekeepers.

In a bid to force Russia from its planned defense of the Iranian peoples by provoking war in the Caucasus, however, the West has severely miscalculated as Putin has not only ordered the retaking of South Ossetia from the Western backed Georgian forces, but has also ordered the destruction of all oil pipelines going through Georgia to the West.on.”

These reports continue by stating that the massive US backed Naval Armada, said to be the largest assembled since Worlld War II, heading towards war with Iran will be met by both Russian and Iranian counterattacks aimed at destroying these enemy forces prior to their planned attack.

It is, also, interesting to note, that after unleashing the Israeli led puppet Georgian military forces against unarmed Russian citizens and lightly armed Russian peacekeepers, President Bush has said, "the fighting must stop and I am deeply concerned about the situation in Georgia," he said. "The United States takes this matter very seriously."T”

But, not as seriously as he claims as he had just previously instructed his Ambassador to the United Nations to veto Russia’s resolution before the Security Council that stated, and as China’s Xinhua reports: (check link - very hard to paste this  data)

President Medvedev was so livid after President Bush’s refusal to commit to peace that, these reports continue, he ordered the ‘immediate and systematic’ destruction of Georgian Military Forces, ‘wherever they are located in the World’.

Georgia’s President, Mikheil Saakashvili, responded to Medvedev’s moves by declaring martial law in Georgia and ordering all Georgian troops home from Iraq, where they had been stationed providing support to the US in its war on the Muslim peoples of the World.

These latest moves by the Georgian dictator, however, are appearing too late in this war to save his troubled Nation, and as we can read from the latest battlefield updates:And, as Prime Minister Putin has just arrived in the War Region of South Ossetia, the resolve of the Worlds peace loving Nations to stop the expansion of the Western Powers though military might appears to have met its most logical first major obstacle by the awakening of a very, very angry Russian Bear from its long hibernation since the dissolution of the Soviet Empire.

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[Ed. Note: (note from MC - this is extreme and inflammatory - as to suppression of data by U.S. and media)  Simply trying to post another series of data and comments.. which go outside mainstream.


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Everything old is new again.

Millions volunteered or were drafted for military duty during World War II. The majority of these citizen-soldiers had no idea how to conduct themselves to prevent inadvertent disclosure of important information to the enemy. To remedy this, the government established rules of conduct. The following is excerpted from a document given to each soldier as he entered the battle area.

WRITING HOME

THINK! Where does the enemy get his information -- information that can put you, and has put your comrades, adrift on an open sea: information that has lost battles and can lose more, unless you personally, vigilantly, perform your duty in SAFEGUARDING MILITARY INFORMATION?

THERE ARE TEN PROHIBITED SUBJECTS

1. Don't write military information of military units -- their location, strength, material, or equipment.

2. Don't write of military installations.

3. Don't write of transportation facilities.

4. Don't write of convoys, their routes, ports (including ports of embarkation and disembarkation), time en route, naval protection, or war incidents occurring en route.

5. Don't disclose movements of ships, naval or merchant, troops, or aircraft.

6. Don't mention plans and forecasts or orders for future operations, whether known or just your guess.

7. Don't write about the effect of enemy operations.

8. Don't tell of any casualty until released by proper authority (The Adjutant General) and then only by using the full name of the casualty.

9. Don't attempt to formulate or use a code system, cipher, or shorthand, or any other means to conceal the true meaning of your letter. Violations of this regulation will result in severe punishment.

10. Don't give your location in any way except as authorized by proper authority. Be sure nothing you write about discloses a more specific location than the one authorized.

TALK

SILENCE MEANS SECURITY -- If violation of protective measures is serious within written communications it is disastrous in conversations. Protect your conversation as you do your letters, and be even more careful. A harmful letter can be nullified by censorship; loose talk is direct delivery to the enemy.

If you come home during war your lips must remain sealed and your written hand must be guided by self-imposed censorship.

 

 

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"Careless talk costs lives "was the slogan wasn't it?
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Originally posted by H2HPrep H2HPrep wrote:

TALK

SILENCE MEANS SECURITY -- If violation of protective measures is serious within written communications it is disastrous in conversations. Protect your conversation as you do your letters, and be even more careful. A harmful letter can be nullified by censorship; loose talk is direct delivery to the enemy.

If you come home during war your lips must remain sealed and your written hand must be guided by self-imposed censorship.

 



Most here are not in the military. Many are from the U.S. where we have what is called free speech.  This is true of what we consider the free world as well. This has often been used to allow pornography as well as multiple harming activities. Keeping  the American public informed on our actions on the world stage in terms of specific actions and policies which may endanger us as a nation is significant.  Most of the information on this thread is the by product of data released to four major news agencies by the government. That is free press and free speech and according to the SOP of intelligence agencies if something is posted in main stream media and not found to be a danger to national security, it is fair game for posts, discussion, and comment. The very thing we fight for is democracy and to share with other nations of the world who do not have it as well as the rights that come with it. One of the most important of these rights is free speech and the right to express our opinions and thoughts on anything as long as it is without threat to the government.

If by action, we are engaged in a type of brinkmanship,  where extreme actions and policies endanger our citizens, then we have a national need to know to the common citizen. Free press, free speech, and transparent government. This is the foundation of true democracy.

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