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Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:

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New Hizballah-Hamas pact extends anti-Israel missile range from Gaza

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

September 1, 2008, 10:28 AM (GMT+02:00)

The Iran-backed Lebanese terror group, Hizballah, has contracted to partner Hamas’ ongoing crash program using the month-old ceasefire with Israel to intensify combat training and arms procurement in preparation for war.



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Source ; person on site and also data from Military.com - DefenseTech

Hizballah are becoming more of a problem because they are becoming more of an organized political force.

Here's some serious data the readers might find interesting ...

Hezbollah's Deadly Arsenal

For years, the border towns and kibbutzim in the upper Golan section of Israel, near Lebanon and Syria, have been under threat from Katyusha missiles. Cities just a few miles further south -- like Haifa and Tsfat, the crumbling, quiet mountaintop home of Jewish mysticism -- were safe; relying on short-range Katyusha rockets, Lebanese militants had the ability to sew terror only twelve miles into Israel. That changed on Thursday, when Hezbollah launched a new weapon, the Ra'ad rocket, which hit Tsfat and, for the first time, Haifa, 20 miles from the border. 220,000 Israelis stayed in bomb shelters last night to avoid the missiles, Ha'Aretz reports.

raad_screen_grab_2.JPGThe exact make-up and configuration of these weapons is unclear. Some sources call it a modified anti-tank rocket; others a cruise missile. Range estimates vary from 120 to 350 kilometers, or more. One report calls it a 122mm projectile. Hezbollah claims the Iranian-made "rocket is of 333 mm in diameter and has a warhead of 100 kilograms."

Hezbollah's arsenal is likely filled with even deadlier weapons. Israel believes the terrorist group "has missiles that can hit most of Israel,Ha'Aretz notes and which could even strike Be'er Sheva [deep in Israel's southern, Negev desert] under optimum conditions," .

Iran supplied Hezbollah with solid-fuel, Zelzal-2 missiles with a 200-km range, but these are not very accurate, since they do not have a self-guidance system.

The Zelzal-2 missiles, intended to strike broad targets such as communities and cities, are equipped with explosive warheads weighing up to 600 kilograms...

Hezbollah's original Katyusha rockets had a range of 12 kilometers to 22 kilometers. At a later stage, it obtained Iranian Fajar-3 and Fajar-5 rockets, with a range of 45 kilometers and 75 kilometers, respectively. Hezbollah did not use these rockets until the current conflict.

Source on scene: I was supposed to spend my honeymoon next month lounging around Haifa, hiking in the Golan, maybe spending the sabbath in Tsfat. Now, these Hezbollah weapons have introduced a new calculus: how much fear is my wife willing to take?

note: The U.S. has considerable weaponry and technology. The problem is the mobility and covertness of this group and their ability to emerge from the scenery, fire, and flee. This presents an issue in targeting a source assault position. Often a number of missiles or an attack force would be neutralized within minutes after firing. This was a strategy used in Iraq when radar locations would lock on American aircraft.

The same applies to a surgical strike upon Iran's plutonium centrifuges and nuclear development facilities. Much of the hardware could be scattered quickly and moved throughout Iran vaporizing a clear single tactical target.  Strategic cells on the ground from Western forces spot in some case where drone type pilotless craft are used to target and engage.

So it is not so simple as may depicted by the media of these huge development centers clearly targeted by satellite visual and using a load and let go no need to guide missile at a target. The targets would be in motion, the fighters would fade in and fade out of the civilian population, and as in Iraq would most certain use high population centers as shields to create scenarios where there are heavy non-combatant causalities which could then be propagandized, used to excite the Muslims and fuel the Jihad.. IMHO of course.

Medclinician

References

  1. ^ Aerospace Industries Organization. Retrieved on May 13, 2008.
  2. ^ It's assumed that AIO is responsible for Fajr-5's production since nti.org claims that AIO is responsible for producing missiles of all types except ballistic missiles.
  3. ^ a b c d e f g Fajr-3 & Fajr-5 brochure. Retrieved on May 13, 2008.
  4. ^ Fadjr-5. Retrieved on May 12, 2008.
  5. ^ Vital Perspective: North Korea. Retrieved on May 12, 2008.
  6. ^ Foss, Christopher F (2006-05-08). "Fadjr-5 artillery rocket system gets new chassis", Jane's Information Group. Retrieved on 2006-07-30. 
  7. ^ "Le Hezbollah tire des missiles "au-delà de Haïfa" alors que les raids aériens israéliens s'intensifient", Le Monde (2006-07-29). 
  8. ^ Gannon, Kathy (2006-07-28). "Hezbollah Fires New Rockets Into Israel", Associated Press. Retrieved on 2006-07-30. 
  9. ^ Roffe-Ofir, Sharon (2006-07-28). "Fajr-5 missiles fired at Israel", YNet. Retrieved on 2006-07-30. 
  10. ^ Iran's Missile Exports. Retrieved on May 12, 2008.

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We've been having loads of Israel propaganda commercials here the last couple days.
 
One asked what we in Minneapolis would do if we were having St. Paul residents launch missiles at us. Then talking about a nuclear armed Iran and the global disaster this would cause.
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Med ,what is all the hype (from the US Government) about Iran having nuclear tech?  They already have nuky missiles...   How much nuky does it take?  nut much I imagine.




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Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:

Med ,what is all the hype (from the US Government) about Iran having nuclear tech?  They already have nuky missiles...   How much nuky does it take?  nut much I imagine.


First, some of the ranks are softening in terms of Iran going nuclear considering the alternatives to starting a war over it.  They may get away with it but we may not be able to stop Israel from attacking them anyway.

There are extremely detailed and probably not a great idea to post specs on our current arsenal and effective damage we could deliver from the U.S. nuclear stockpile via subs and missiles, and railguns, lasers, and weapons which are high yield. . The following is much simplified -

Both the US and Russia have the capability to detonate thermonuclear fusion bombs in excess of 100 million tons of TNT. It is very difficult to imagine an explosion like that, but the heat generated would either kill or maim anyone within a 10 mile radius of the detonation instantly. The resulting environmental destruction and radiation poisoning would kill or maim anyone within 25-50 miles, depending on the area struck, within the following 3 days. The radioactive fallout would have the capacity to cause a variety of serious illnesses for months afterward, the area would depend on the direction of the wind. Basically it would be a really big bummer.

Keep in mind that the explosive power of the Hiroshima bomb was only a very tiny fraction of a bomb like this, only 15,000 tons of TNT, (if I remember correctly) as opposed to 100,000,000 tons of TNT, kind of boggles the mind.

Saying more than this.. would be saying too much.

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We had the same adds here when the DNC was here!!Approve
Something wicked these way comes!!
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that cheered me up...  So wondering what is the point for them to posture like that, If we can all do the damage so well. 
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Not so quiet on the MID EASTERN FRONT.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north648.html

r we there yet?
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that guy writes-
 
"Why should this story not be front-page news?"
 
Because .......................we are at war is the answer.
 
not a time when voters get to weigh in.
 
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The Dutch intelligence service, the AIVD, has called off an operation aimed at infiltrating and sabotaging Iran's weapons industry due to an assessment that a US attack on the Islamic Republic's nuclear program is imminent, according to a report in the country's De Telegraaf newspaper on Friday.

The report claimed that the Dutch operation had been "extremely successful," and had been stopped because the US military was planning to hit targets that were "connected with the Dutch espionage action."

The impending air-strike on Iran was to be carried out by unmanned aircraft "within weeks," the report claimed, quoting "well placed" sources.

The Jerusalem Post could not confirm the De Telegraaf report.

According to the report, information gleaned from the AIVD's operation in Iran has provided several of the targets that are to be attacked in the strike, including "parts for missiles and launching equipment."

"Information from the AIVD operation has been shared in recent years with the CIA," the report said.

On Saturday, Iran's Deputy Chief of Staff General Masoud Jazayeri warned that should the United States or Israel attack Iran, it would be the start of another World War.

On Friday, Ma'ariv reported that Israel had made a strategic decision to deny Iran military nuclear capability and would not hesitate "to take whatever means necessary" to prevent Teheran from achieving its nuclear goals.

According to the report, whether the United States and Western countries succeed in thwarting the Islamic Republic's nuclear ambitions diplomatically, through sanctions, or whether a US strike on Iran is eventually decided upon, Jerusalem has begun preparing for a separate, independent military strike.

comment: This is still an unconfirmed report.

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http://www.metimes.com/Politics/2008/08/27/iran_general_says_israel_too_vulnerable_to_attack/afp/

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A military truck carries a long-range Iranian Shahab-3 Ballistic missile during an annual military parade in Tehran in 2007. The head of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, General Mohammad Ali Jafari, has said Israel is too vulnerable to Iran's longer-range missiles to dare launch an attack. (AFP Atta Kenare)


Middle East Times
September 4, 2008 issue


TEHRAN (AFP) The head of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, General Mohammad Ali Jafari, said on Wednesday that Israel is too vulnerable to Iran's longer-range missiles to dare launch an attack.

"Our strategic assessment shows that if the Zionist regime took action, whether alone or with the United States, in minimal time all of its territory would be vulnerable because this country lacks strategic depth and lies within the range of Iranian missiles," the Mehr news agency quoted him as saying.

"Iran's ballistic capabilities are such that the Zionist regime, with all the means at its disposal, has no way of countering them," the general added.

In recent months, several Israeli politicians have talked of the possibility of a pre-emptive military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities to avoid any possibility of Tehran acquiring an atomic weapon.

Iran has responded by threatening retaliatory strikes with its Shahab-3 missiles which have a nominal range of 2,000 kilometres (1,250 miles) -- enough to reach Israel.

"In the event of an attack against against Iran, the Israelis know that with the capabilities that the Islamic world and the Shiite world have in the region, they will suffer deadly strikes," Jafari said, alluding to the Shiite militant group Hezbollah across Israel's northern border with Lebanon.

He said an attack against Iran could come only from the United States and warned that in that event "our riposte will be swift, tough and unimaginable".

He said that the presence of US forces all around Iran's borders, in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Gulf, made them too vulnerable to reprisal attacks.

© 2008 Agence France-Presse 

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FYI Readers - Background -

What you should know about the Iranian Shahab-3 missile

Subject: What happens if an Iranian Ballistic Missile hits a US Carrier?
reefdiver    3/11/2006 10:57:54 AM
With their 100meter accuracy, its unlikely that the Iranians could hit a carrier which is constantly moving, but there are claims they do have several hundred BM. Lets assume they fire a bunch and get lucky - what might be the damage to the CVN if one hits? Also, are there any SM3's yet deployed in the theater that might be able to intercept them? How much time would the US have to respond after an Iranian launch in the Persian Gulf?
 

Shahab-3 / Zelzal-3 

Technical Details
 
Range (km) Basic: 1,280 km (800 miles)
Variant: 1,903+ km (1,200 miles)
CEP (m) 190
(Previously thought to be
several thousand meters)
Diam. (m) 1.32-1.35
Height (m) 15.852-16
L. W. (kg) 15,852-16,250
Stage Mass (kg) 15,092
D. W. (kg) 1,780-2,180
Thrust (Kg f) Effective: 26,051 (-709)
Actual: 26,760-26,600
Burn time (sec.) 110
Isp. (sec.) Effective: 226 - SL due to vains
steering drag loss of 4-5 sec.
Actual: 230
Vac.: 264
Thrust Chamb. 1
Fuel Liquid (TM-185)
    20% Gasoline
    80% Kerosene
Oxidizer AK-27I
    27% N2O4
    73% HNO3
    Iodium Inhibitor
Propellant Mass (kg) 12,912
Warhead (kg) 760-987-1,158
Type MRBM

The Iranian Shahab-3 is a single-stage, liquid-fueled, road-mobile, medium-range ballistic missile with a range of approximately 800 miles (1,280 km). A MRBM variant, sometimes called Shahab-4, has a range of more than 1,200 miles (1,930 km).

Shahab-3 is capable of carrying a 1,000-760 kilogram warhead. Fewer than 20 launchers were deployed as of March 2006, according to Air Force Intelligence. The variant was not deployed at the time.

Shahab-3 means Meteor-3 or Shooting Star-3 in Farsi [alternatively designated Zelzal (Earthquake)] is derivative from the 1,300-1,500 kilometer range North Korean No-dong missile.

Design Heritage

The No-dong ballistic missile was developed by the North Korean's with Soviet Gorbachev era technical participation along with Chinese contributions and Iranian financial assistance. The former Soviet Union's technology transfer contribution is circumstantially strongly suspected as having come from the Acad. V. P. Makeyev OKB Design Bureau developers of the Soviet era Scud-B, and its follow on SLBM's and the Isayev OKB, S-2.713 rocket engine design which was used on the Soviet SS-N-4 SLBM. This was directly the results of strategic arms reduction treaties creating unemployment in a large Cadre of technically qualified personnel in the Makeyev OKB's essentially cancelled liquid propellant SLBM programs of the Former Soviet Union since no other form of employment was successfully offered to them. That highly modified Isayev OKB, S-2.713M rocket engine design strongly reflects its Scud-B design heritage but represents an entirely new liquid propellant rocket engine far beyond the growth potential of the modified Scud-B and C class engines for application to the No-dong. That No-dong engine also reflects modern Soviet rocket engine start up design technology such as the solid charge starter to spin up the turbo-pump, instead of start up propellant tanks, and the pyrotechnics used to open the propellant flow and to cut it off. It also reflects the typical on off rocket engine design philosophy used by the Soviets. All Soviet era SLBM's owe their design heritage to the Scud-A and Scud-B tactical ballistic missiles. China's contribution to the No-dong project came from the joint North Korean/Chinese project conducted between 1976-78, the cancelled DF-61 missile, essentially a Scud-C capability ballistic missile with a range of 600 km. carrying a 1,000 kg warhead that also featured a strap-down guidance system. Iran in fact decided to totally rework the North Korean No-dong design to their liking with Russian and now Chinese help but they have yet to successfully indigenously produce the whole vehicle to North Korea's standards.  

Shahab-3 MRBM Variants

Iran had developed two variants of the Sharab-3 MRBM. The original version (left) has a range of approximately 800 miles (1,280 km), while a new variant (right) has a range of more than 1,200 miles (1,930 km). The variant is longer to carry more fuel and carries a different warhead (possibly cluster munitions)

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There is certainly no less danger of American attack on Iran. In fact, should  the Republicans win the election - we could not have a more hawkish aggressive group in charge of our military.

There is still a problem:

Sarkozy's new sense of urgency may owe something to the Dutch intelligence story. Who knows? Cynics suspect that these recurrent rumors of air strikes against Iran are deliberately leaked as some form of (so far unsuccessful) psychological pressure against Tehran. But the Bush administration has just 60 days to go before the presidential elections, less than 140 days before Bush leaves the White House. And the clock is ticking.


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Russia is sending it's fleet to Venezuela, things are getting much clearer now,
Iran, Russia, and Venezuela are allies. If there is a war with Iran and the oil flow is interrupted we may go after Venezuela's oil, and Russians are getting ready to cover their friends. It looks like the chess pieces are moving around the world's chess board   
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Endman: Exactly..Your right on.

Med, as usual thanks for your posts and comments.
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Originally posted by coyote coyote wrote:

Endman: Exactly..Your right on.

Med, as usual thanks for your posts and comments.


Thanks Coyote. Everyday you will notice in mainstream media and also on many blog sites there is the "happening" or "happenings" for the day.  You, and quite a few users sometimes come up with a "find." This is usually opposite the main stream, and/or will have obscure precise data.

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The%20Hassan%20II%20Mosque%20in%20Casablanca%20is%20one%20of%20two%20mosques%20in%20Morocco%20open%20to%20non-Muslims.

The Hassan II Mosque in Casablanca is one of two mosques in Morocco open to non-Muslims.


Al Qaeda’s Ayman Zawahri blasts Iran, ridicules Hizballah


September 8, 2008, 11:45 PM (GMT+02:00)

Ayman Zawahri curses Iran in Sept.11 anniversary video
Al Qaeda’s No. 2, Ayman Zawahri, accused Iran of cooperating with
the Americans in occupying Iraq and Afghanistan and the Shiites for
failing to wage a jihad against the Crusader occupier.

 

http://www.debka.com/search.php?type=headline


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Look this is all nonsense, even Alcie in Wonderland makes more sense.  All we have to do is become energy self sufficient and we are done with this mess.

Let's see, print $50 billion and give it to the auto manufacturers and they can supply electric cars.  Next, build solar energy plants all over  the american desert and produce all the energy we need.  We canpay for it the same way, just print more money.  Just run the country on free electricity from the sun and forget the oil producing nations.  Think of it, no more polution, wouldn't that be great.

Folks, this is not brain surgery or rocket science, it's just plain simple common sense.
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Rudd foreshadows Pacific defence build-up


Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has warned that Australia must prepare for an emerging arms race across the Asia-Pacific region, and has flagged strengthening the Australian Defence Force (ADF) to meet the challenge.


www.abc.net.au...



Rudd warns of arms race

www.theaustralian.news.com.au

PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd warns that Australia is facing an arms race build up in our region where the nuclear weapons threat is "as great as ever''.

Mr Rudd today revealed the nation faced a strategic build-up and unprecedented military spending by rising powers in "the age of the Pacific". He warned the rapidly changing region had a number of "unresolved flash points".
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http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=177497
Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - current

Israeli attack on Lebanon depends on Iran, Syria

TEHRAN (FNA) -- Hezbollah chief Seyed Hassan Nasrallah said on Monday that any Israeli attack on Lebanon depended on the Iranian nuclear issue and the Israel-Syria talks.

“I can not say when Israel is going to attack Lebanon, if it is going to be soon or not. It depends on the region's events and circumstances,” Nasrallah said in an interview with Iran's state-run television.

“On the one hand it depends on Iran's nuclear case, and on the other hand it depends on the indirect talks between Syria and Israel,” he added.

He was referring to the Iranian nuclear drive which the West claims is a weapons program under the guise of a civilian one. Western countries have never presented any corroborative document to substantiate their allegations.

comment: The West has been gather intelligence and data on site in Iran for over 18 years documenting the development of weapon grade plutonium and specific sites with interior video films and evidence of hundreds of centrifuges in operation. There is absolutely no plausible explanation, and also the ability to bypass inspections and bypass clear evidence of these activities.

Here is what you will not find many places after 18 years of denial and 2 years of extreme Nato inspeciton.

http://www.metimes.com/International/2008/04/07/proof_of_irans_military_nuclear_program/3739/

for readers: http://tinyurl.com/5epryp

Despite the very flawed and much publicized December National Intelligence Estimate report on Iran, the U.N. Security Council recently passed a third set of sanctions designed to force Iran to halt its nuclear program. Indeed, except for a few credulous people and some in the U.S. intelligence community with a political agenda, most capitals in the world dismissed the NIE findings as bogus.

And now the International Atomic Energy Agency has joined the fray.

Interestingly, analyzing the findings of the NIE back in December, the French expert and director of the Fondation pour la Recherche Strategique (Foundation for Strategic Research), Francois Heisbourg, told the Swiss daily Le Temps, that this report's conclusion could be the result of a revenge from some in U.S. intelligence against a president who put them in a tough spot during the Iraqi crisis.

He added very rightly so: "Compared to the NIE report on Iran, even Mohamed El Baradei [the IAEA's head] looks like a hawk".

Now, while this fact was quite underreported, International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) documents actually point to the existence of the military Iranian nuclear program. On Feb. 25, Olli Heinonen, the Finnish deputy director general of the IAEA, presented evidence of the existence of this.

Also, the French daily Le Monde got access to documents proving that Tehran pursued a military nuclear program after 2003, contrary to what the National Intelligence Estimate stated. The main document is a 2004 letter written by Mahdi Khaniki, one of the IAEA's main interlocutors and former Iranian ambassador to Syria, to Gholam Reza Aghazadeh, the vice president of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI).

In this letter Mahdi Khaniki pointed out that the IAEA inspectors demanded to see the contracts for the purchase of spare parts used in the development of the centrifuges.

He wrote:

"At a meeting held on January 31, 2004 in the presence of Dr. Rohani [Hassan Rohani, the chief negotiator of the Iranian nuclear program until the end of 2005], the latter decided that these contracts should be prepared in accordance to the AEOI's wishes, so they would be ready to be delivered to the IAEA. It is worth noting that the representative of the ministry of defense and of assistance to the armed forces said at the meeting that the contracts were drawn up for a presentation [to the IAEA]. However, portions of these contracts, which this writer viewed at the Ministry of Defense, were crossed out with black lines and the quantities did not appear; therefore, it seems that these contracts will raise more questions than those which [normally] should be submitted to the Agency [IAEA]."

Le Monde, citing sources close to an intelligence service, affirmed that this letter was part of "Project 13" (also known as "Project for the disappearance of threats"), a project allegedly aimed at deceiving the IAEA inspectors.

For Iranian experts, quoted by Le Monde, this letter represents clear evidence of the involvement of the Iranian defense ministry in the nuclear dossier. This confirms suspicions about the military character of this program, while attesting of the efforts of the Iranians to conceal it.

Further proof of this came in when in mid-December 2006, U.S. intelligence services intercepted a conversation, between two unidentified officials at the Department of Defense in Tehran, reporting differences between officials of the AEOI and the Ministry of Defense. Indeed, one of the two interlocutors pointed out that: " Currently, as for the CTBTO [Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization], I think that the Ministry of Defense must have the last word, because they [the leaders of the AEOI] know that ultimately we intend to conduct tests."

In light of these new developments and the increasing worldwide consensus (from Europe to the Gulf), regarding the threat associated with the Iranian nuclear program, concerned nations will soon have to make a decision on a plan of action.

Will the U.N. sanctions be enough? Nothing is less sure. That's why the ever growing military activity in the region does not bode well for a peaceful resolution of a thorny issue.


(continuing with Iran's denial now....)

Iran vehemently denies the charges and insists that its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only.

Israel and Syria, which have technically been at war for 60 years, launched indirect negotiations brokered by Turkey in May, eight years after talks were frozen over the fate of the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.


Nasrallah assessed the current situation in the Middle East as “not stable and not calm”, but he added that Hezbollah's “military situation is in best shape, thanks God.”

Hezbollah defeated the Zionist regime's army during a 33-day war in summer 2006. 

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Just 18% Believe Iran has Stopped Nuclear Weapons Development Program

Just 18% of American voters believe that Iran has halted its nuclear weapons program. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 66% disagree and say Iran has not stopped its nuclear weapons program. Twenty-one percent (21%) of men believe Iran has stopped the weapons development along with 16% of women.

The survey was conducted following release of a government report saying that Iran halted its nuclear weapons development program in 2003.

The Rasmussen Reports survey also found that 67% of American voters believe that Iran remains a threat to the national security of the United States. Only 19% disagree while 14% are not sure.

Fifty-nine percent (59%) believe that the United States should continue sanctions against Iran. Twenty percent (20%) disagree and 21% are not sure.

Forty-seven percent (47%) believe it is Very Likely that Iran will develop nuclear weapons in the future and another 34% believe Iran is Somewhat Likely to do so.

Twenty-nine percent (29%) of liberal voters believe that Iran has stopped its weapons program but 54% disagree.

Among conservatives, just 8% believe Iran has stopped and 81% disagree.

Despite the Iranian government's protestations to the contrary, an earlier survey found that 67% believed that Iran’s nuclear program is intended to develop nuclear weapons rather than nuclear energy.

Another survey found that, most voters doubt the United States can count on its European allies when dealing with Iran. Just 1% of Americans view Iran as an ally of the United States. Sixty-two percent (62%) believe that Iran sponsors terrorist activities against the United States.

Only 6% disagree and 32% are not sure.

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Ive heard from a reliable source that the US will strike Iran within THREE weeks. In addition was that a nuclear test in Iran today that triggered earthquake measuring 6.1-7.5 on the richter scale?
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 so, if someone is fairly alert, it only takes a few hrs for everyman to get the news, cool.
 
 
 
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DATE LAT LON MAG DEPTH km REGION
10-SEP-2008 11:55:37 25.06 122.26 4.9 36.6 TAIWAN REGION
10-SEP-2008 11:33:12 26.89 55.86 4.8 15.0 SOUTHERN IRAN
10-SEP-2008 11:00:40 27.01 55.78 6.1 55.7 SOUTHERN IRAN
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Strong quake hits southern Iran near oil port
10 Sep 2008 13:15:32 GMT
Source: Reuters

TEHRAN, Sept 10 (Reuters) - A powerful earthquake struck southern Iran on Wednesday near Bandar Abbas, site of a major Iranian oil refinery, killing at least three people and injuring 22, officials said.

The U.S. Geological Service said the quake's magnitude was 6.1 and it struck at 1100 GMT about 53 km (33 miles) west-southwest of Bandar Abbas at a depth of 34.6 miles (55 km).
 
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10-SEP-2008 11:00:40 27.01 55.78 6.1 55.7 SOUTHERN IRAN
06-SEP-2008 23:53:31 32.01 47.15 4.2 40.6 IRAN-IRAQ BORDER REGION
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03-SEP-2008 02:22:49 37.45 38.60 4.7 10.0 TURKEY
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An underground nuclear detonation would not produce an earthquake of 6 points.
A nuclear detonation underground will have very unique signature that should be recognized write away we should know we did hundreds of underground test 
We been scaring Iran for the past 8 years and doing noting
Here is a good history of events
 
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iran-timeline.htm


Target Iran - Countdown Timeline
The Bush Administration has almost certainly not approved the timing of military operations against Iran, and consequently any projection of the probable timing of such operations is neccessarily speculative. The election of Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad as Iran's new president would appear to preclude a negotiated resolution of Iran's nuclear program. The success of strikes against Iran's WMD facilities requires both tactical and strategic surprise, so there will not be the sort of public rhetorical buildup in the weeks preceeding hostilities, of the sort that preceeded the invasion of Iraq. To the contrary, the Bush Administration will do everything within its power to deceive Iran's leaders into believing that military action is not imminent.

2001
The Coalition for Democracy in Iran was formed in 2001 to mobilize the efforts of a variety of groups and individuals across the United States supporting the aspirations of the Iranian people for freedom, democracy and respect for human rights in Iran. The CDI strongly supports President Bush's designation of Iran as part of the deadly "axis of evil." Michael Ledeen [of the American Enterprise Institute], Morris Amitay [a former director of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC], and James Woolsley [former CIA director] formed the Coalition for Democracy in Iran, which has strong ties to the exiled Reza Pahlavi, the deceased shah's son.

29 January 2002
In his first State of the Union address, President Bush named three countries that he said continue to sponsor terror: North Korea, Iran and Iraq. He called them and their terrorist allies "an axis of evil," and said the price of indifference to them would be "catastrophic." He also warned that the country cannot afford to delay in further responding to the terrorist threat. "Time is not on our side," he said. "I will not wait on events, while dangers gather. I will not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer."

01 June 2002
Speaking to the graduating class at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, New York, President Bush said "Containment is not possible when unbalanced dictators with weapons of mass destruction can deliver those weapons on missiles or secretly provide them to terrorist allies.... We have our best chance since the rise of the nation state in the 17th century to build a world where the great powers compete in peace instead of prepare for war.... America has, and intends to keep, military strengths beyond challenge, thereby making the destabilizing arms races of other eras pointless, and limiting rivalries to trade and other pursuits of peace."

20 May 2003
Senator Sam Brownback introduced the Iran Democracy Act, asking for $50 million to fund opposition groups dedicated to the overthrow of the Islamic regime. The Iran Democracy Act would provide funds for pro-democracy broadcasting into Iran, would reform radio Farda to make it more effective, and would state that it is the policy of the United States to support transparent, full democracy in Iran; to support an internationally-monitored referendum in Iran by which the Iranian people can peacefully change the system of government in Iran.

02 June 2003
The United States and its allies expressed concern at the Evian G-8 Summit about Iran's covert nuclear weapons program, stating that "we will not ignore proliferation implications of Iran's advanced nuclear program" and that "we offer our strongest support to comprehensive IAEA examination of this country's nuclear program."

10 June 2003
California Democrat Brad Sherman is set to introduce a bill in the House of Representatives that would serve as a counterpart to Senator Brownback’s Iran Democracy Act, which will allocate approximately $57 million to Iranian opposition groups and satellite TVs. Sherman’s bill, however, will also slap new sanctions on Iran, a “total” embargo” in order to “encourage the people of Iran to bring about a more peaceful and democratic government,”

June 2003
As of June 2003 a new national security presidential directive on Iran had gone through several competing drafts, but had yet to be approved by President Bush.

16 June 2003
The International Atomic Energy Agency's (IAEA) report on Iran has been given out to IAEA members prior to the IAEA Board of Governors meeting which begins June 16.

3 July 2003
Officials say Israel will destroy Natanz plant if Iran operates it Mark Hibbs Nucleonics Week, July 3, 2003

12 February 2004
On February 12, the Senate passed an important resolution, S. Res. 304, that was submitted that same day by Senator Brownback. Denouncing the elections as harmful for true democratic forces in Iran, the resolution stated that the policy of the United States should be to advocate a democratic government in Iran that will restore freedom to the people of Iran, abandon terrorism, protect human rights, and live in peace and security with the international community.

08 March 2004
On 26 November 2003 the International Atomic Energy Agency's Board requested the Director General to submit a comprehensive report on the implementation of the resolution on Iran by mid- February 2004, for consideration by the 08 March 2004 Board of Governors, or to report earlier if appropriate.

06 May 2004
The House passed H.CON.RES.398, which was introduced by HIRC Chairman Henry Hyde (R-IL) on March 25. It expresses “the concern of Congress over Iran’s development of the means to produce nuclear weapons,” and was passed under “suspension of the rules” on 06 May 2004. The final tally was 376 for the resolution, three against, 14 answering “present,” and 40 not voting. Opponents of this concurrent resolution charged that it led the country down the road to war against Iran. This resolution demands that Iran immediately cease all efforts to acquire nuclear enrichment activities and calls for the country to honor its stated commitments to grant IAEA inspectors unrestricted access to nuclear sites. But the resolution also calls upon all state parties to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty--including the United States--to use ``all appropriate means to deter, dissuade, and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.'' It also "calls on the President to use all appropriate means to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons..." Even if this bill doesn't authorize the use of force against Iran, it creates a precedent for future escalation, as did similar legislation endorsing ``regime change'' in Iraq back in 1998. This legislation called for yet more and stricter sanctions on Iran , including a demand that other countries also impose sanctions on Iran. Critics charged that sanctions were unmistakably a move toward war, particularly when, as in this legislation, a demand is made that the other nations of the world similarly isolate and blockade the country.

15 July 2004
On 15 July 2004 William S. Lind suggested that "an American-Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. Such an attack may very well be on the agenda as the "October Surprise," the distraction President George W. Bush desperately needs if the debacle in Iraq is not to lead to his defeat in November."

22 July 2004
Another concurrent resolution (S.CON.RES.81 calls upon all states party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty), including the United States, to use appropriate means to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, was passed/agreed to in the Senate on 22 July 2004. This slightly less inflamatory bill was accepted by the House in conference, replacing the more inflamatory language of H.CON.RES.398.

25 July 2004
Iranian Intelligence Minister Ali Yunesi said in the northeastern city of Gorgan on 25 July 2004 that there is a "weak" possibility that archfoe Israel will attack Iran, Fars News Agency reported the same day. "Still, Iran has thought of the measures needed to repulse all attacks," he said. Separately, the head of the Iranian regular army's land forces, Brigadier General Nasir Mohammadifar, said in Mashhad in northeastern Iran on 25 July, "America would have attacked Iran by now if it were sure it could defeat us." Mohammadifar told a gathering of army inspectors that the United States is "intensely aware" of its "absolute" inability to attack Iran.

17 August 2004
Brig. Gen. Mohammad Baqer Zolqadr, the deputy chief of the elite Revolutionary Guards, said in a statement issued 17 August 2004, "If Israel fires a missile into the Bushehr nuclear power plant, it has to say goodbye forever to its Dimona nuclear facility, where it produces and stockpiles nuclear weapons." The head of the Revolutionary Guards' political bureau, Yadollah Javani, said said in a separate statement that "All the territory under the control of the Zionist regime, including its nuclear facilities, are within the range of Iran's advanced missiles."

20 August 2004
Iran might launch pre-emptive strikes to protect its nuclear facilities if they are threatened, Defence Minister Ali Shamkhani said in remarks broadcast on 20 August 2004. "We won't sit with our hands tied and wait until someone does something to us," Shamkhani told Arabic channel Al Jazeera when asked what Iran would do if the United States or Israel attacked its atomic facilities. "Some military leaders in Iran are convinced that the pre-emptive measures that America is talking about are not their right alone," he added in Persian. "Any strike on our nuclear facilities will be regarded as a strike on Iran and we will respond with all our might."

13 September 2004
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) will consider Iran's nuclear efforts during the IAEA Board meeting scheduled for 13 September in Vienna, Austria. The US may resort to the United Nations Security Council in an attempt to impose sanctions on Iran. The IAEA Board of Governors may report Iran's noncompliance to the United Nations Security Council, and the Security Council may take action under Articles 39 through 41 of the United Nations Charter to encourage or order Iran to cease its programs that would contribute to building a nuclear weapons capability. From 20-24 September 2004 the 48th Regular Session of the IAEA General Conference meets in Vienna, Austria.

02 November 2004
John Kerry's position is that "A nuclear armed Iran is an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States and our allies in the region. While we have been preoccupied in Iraq, Iran has reportedly been moving ahead with its nuclear program. We can no longer sit on the sidelines and leave the negotiations to the Europeans. It is critical that we work with our allies to resolve these issues and lead a global effort to prevent Iran from obtaining the technology necessary to build nuclear weapons. Iran claims that its nuclear program is only to meet its domestic energy needs. John Kerry's proposal would call their bluff by organizing a group of states to offer Iran the nuclear fuel they need for peaceful purposes and take back the spent fuel so they cannot divert it to build a weapon. If Iran does not accept this offer, their true motivations will be clear. Under the current circumstances, John Kerry believes we should support the International Atomic Energy Agency's (IAEA) efforts to discern the full extent of Iran's nuclear program, while pushing Iran to agree to a verifiable and permanent suspension of its enrichment and reprocessing programs. If this process fails, we must lead the effort to ensure that the IAEA takes this issue to the Security Council for action."

December 2004
Sightings of unidentified flying objects in Iranian skies increased in late December 2004. There were sightings in Markazi Province (where Tehran is located) and Bushehr Province (where nuclear reactors are being built). Sightings in Isfahan Province occurred near Arak and Natanz (where other nuclear-related facilities are located). Observers suggested these could be military-reconnaissance aircraft. US combat aircraft allegedly were sighted near Khorramshahr on 29 December and again on 30 December 2004. An anonymous informed source said, "The circling of two American fighter planes on Wednesday and their maneuvers over border areas of Iran and Iraq indicated that the planes were involved in spying." It is not clear if the Iranian antiaircraft units were able to react to the alleged violation of their airspace.

01 January 2005
A US warplane reportedly violated Iranian air space, this time a border edge near Afghanistan in the eastern province of Razavi Khorassan, in the latest spate of such overflights reported by the press. According to the evening daily Kayhan, an American fighter entered Iranian air space Thursday night, flying over the southern border strip at Iran`s Mousa-Abad region for several minutes. The US warplane flew back to Afghanistan, from where it had entered the Iranian airspace, the paper added. Kayhan further quoted an unknown source as saying that three US warplanes had again violated Iranian air space in the southwestern cities of Khorramshahr and Abadan near the Iraqi border.

23 June 2005
Iran's ninth presidential election took place on 17 June 2005, with the runoff election taking place on 24 June 2005. Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad was elected as Iran's president. Ahmadinejad's campaign issued a statement which described Iran's nuclear program as "a flood which cannot be stopped by a match stick ... It's impossible to stop a nation's scientific progress with a bunch of irrelevant words ... We will hold talks from a rational point of view and if they accept our legitimate right we'll cooperate ... The analysts say no country, no matter how powerful they are, can attack Iran. It would be suicidal for a country to attack Iran... so we must not bend to threats."

13 August 2005
On 13 August 2005 President Bush once again refused to rule out the use of force against Iran. When asked in an interview with Israeli television if the use of force was an alternative if diplomacy failed, Bush said: "All options are on the table. ... The use of force is the last option for any president. You know we have used force in the recent past to secure our country... I have been willing to do so as a last resort in order to secure the country and provide the opportunity for people to live in free societies ... we want diplomacy to work and so we are working feverishly on the diplomatic route and, you know, we will see if we are successful or not. As you know I'm sceptical ... "

23 September 2006
The first day of Ramadan is 23 September 2006, and the last day is 22 October 2006.

7 November 2006
The US Congressional elections of 2006 was held on Tuesday, November 7, 2006. It is unclear how the United States election cycle would influence the timing of strikes against Iran. With the passing of the election, risk averse domestic political inhibitions about the uncertain consequences of striking Iran might be greatly diminished.

23 December 2006
Determined to give effect to its unmet 31 July 2006 demand that Iran suspend all uranium enrichment-related and reprocessing activities, on 23 December 2006 the Security Council imposed sanctions on Iran, blocking the import or export of sensitive nuclear materiel and equipment and freezing the financial assets of persons or entities supporting its proliferation sensitive nuclear activities or the development of nuclear-weapon delivery systems. Unanimously adopting resolution 1737 (2006) under Article 41 of the Charter's Chapter VII, the Council decided that Iran should, without further delay, suspend proliferation sensitive nuclear activities. The Council requested a report within 60 days from the Director General of IAEA on whether Iran had established full and sustained suspension of all activities.

2006
Some analysts predicted that Iran could acquire a nuclear weapon as early as 2006. As of mid-2003 the CIA reportedly assessed that Iran was two or three years away from developing nuclear weapons. IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei told Der Spiegel 21 February 2005 that if Iran was determined to have nuclear weapons - as the US believes it is - it was “likely to have a bomb in two or three years”. These estimates would seem rather pessimistic. A more realistic date would seem to be around 2010.

01 February 2007
The year 2007 begins to mark the closing of the window of opportunity for military strkes against Iran.

CBS News reported on 18 December 2006 that the Bush administration has decided to ramp up the naval presence in the Persian Gulf to send a message to Tehran. CBS reported that an additional aircraft carrier would be added to the Gulf contingent in January 2007, arriving on station around 01 February 2007. The New York Times reported 20 December 2006 that the Bremerton-based aircraft carrier CVN-74 John C. Stennis and its strike group could leave weeks earlier than planned as part of a move to increase the U.S. military presence in and around the Middle East. Moving up the Stennis’ departure date in January 2006 allows a longer overlap with USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, the carrier currently in the Persian Gulf. Eisenhower deployed 01 October 2006, and could remain on station into March 2007. It is difficult for one Carrier Air Wing [CVW] to conduct flight operations for much more than about 12 hours before having to stop. However, with the combined striking power of two CVWs, the Carrier Task Force (CTF) is able to conduct air operations over a continuous 24-hour cycle.

If the White House is politically risk averse with reference to striking Iran, striking Iran as early as February 2007 would allow the maximum time betweeenr the strikes and the 2008 Presidential election.

1-11 February 2007 - Ten-Day Dawn
The 10 Day Dawn (Daheh-ye Fajr) celebrations mark anniversary of the victory of the Islamic Revolution in 1979. On 12th of Bahman 1357 (01 February 1979), the Imam Khomeini appeared in Iran on the steps of an Air France plane. The great crowd of people who had gone to welcome their Imam were waiting at Mehrabad airport and along his way to Behesht-e Zahra Cemetery. They desired to meet their leader whom was returning to his homeland after a 15-year exile forced by the Shah’s regime. The whole city was illuminated and strewn with flowers. The Islamic Revolution gained the victory on 11 Febreary 1979. The Ten Day Dawn marks the victory of the Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1979 and is celebrated by Iranians each year.

On 14 November 2006 President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that two major technological achievements of the government will be made public during the Ten-Day Dawn (February 1-11) of 2007. He said this year's Ten-Day Dawn will the ten-day celebration of Iranian nation for its nuclear and technological achievements. "This year's Ten-Day Dawn period will mark the Iranian nation's success in mastering fuel cycle as well as its achievements in other fields," Ahmadinejad said. He said Iran possesses the “full nuclear fuel cycle and time is completely running in our favor in terms of diplomacy.” Further, “We will commission some 3,000 centrifuges by [the Ten-Day Dawn festivities at the beginning of February].” On 18 Decenber 2006 Government Spokesman Gholam Hossein Elham said that Iran will be announced as an established nuclear state during the 2007 Ten Day Dawn ceremonies.

21 February 2007
The UN Security Council's 60-day deadline for Iran to suspend uranium enrichment runs out on 21 February 2007, paving the way for further sanctions in addition to those imposed by a resolution in December 2006.

21 February 2007
Stennis arrived in the Gulf of Oman, after a voyage of about 30 days.

March 2007
On 26 September 2006 Iran and Russia signed an agreement under which Russia will ship fuel to a nuclear power plant it is building in Iran by March 2007. The agreement was signed by Sergei Shmatko, head of Russia’s state-run company Atomstroiexport, and Mahmoud Hanatian, vice president of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization. The document provides for supplying Russian fuel for the atomic energy plant in March, physical start-up in September 2007 and electric generation by November 2007. About 80 tons of fuel would be supplied by Russia for Iran. This transfer is on hold, as a result of the 23 December 2006 Security Council resolution on Iran.

On 12 November 2006 Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said Iran intended to install 3,000 uranium enrichment centrifuges by March 2007. Hosseini said Iran was doing all the work to install the centrifuges under control of the UN nuclear watchdog, adding that two cascades of 164 centrifuges were already in operation in the country. The 3,000 uranium enrichment centrifuges would give Iran the capability of producing enough Highly Enriched Uranium for about one atomic bomb annually.

Either one of these events might be regarded as a "Red Line" by either Israel and/or the United States. That both would take place nearly simultaneously would seem to significantly raise the probability of strkes against Iran's WMD facilities in this timeframe.


5-9 March 2007
UN Security Council is not expected to take action on Iran before the meeting of the IAEA's 35-nation board of governors from 5-9 March 2007.

06 June 2007
Middle East News Line [MENL] reported that "The Bush administration has decided not to strike Iran's nuclear facilities. Administration sources said President George Bush has decided that barring a "catastrophic development," the United States would not attack Iran. The sources said the administration has been relaying the decision to U.S. allies in the Middle East. "The United States has decided that Iran's cooperation was needed for a withdrawal from Iraq," an administration source said. "There won't be a situation where there will be cooperation and then war with Iran." "

27 June 2007
Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair announced 10 May 2007 he would step down as leader of the Labour Party and hand over power to a new prime minister on 27 June 2007. The Labour Party selected current treasury chief, chancellor of the exchequer, Gordon Brown, as its new leader, paving the way for him to become prime minister. Gordon Brown, who represents a district in Scotland, will replace Tony Blair as Prime Minister of the UK sometime in July 2007. While Blair might be expected to authorize the use of Diego Garcia for staging US strikes against Iran, Brown probably would not.

August 2007
Monday, September 3rd is Labor Day 2007, the notional beginning of the 2008 Presidential campaign. If the White House is politically risk averse with reference to striking Iran, the weeks before Labor Day might mark the last opportune moment to do the deed before the Presidential campaign gets under way.

4 November 2008
The US presidential election of 2008 is scheduled to occur on November 4, 2008. If the White House judges that military strikes would rally the country around the President and his party, it would argue for timing strikes as little as a week before the election, a pre-planned October Surprise.

20 January 2009
The new President is innaugurated. Depending on political calculation, a final window of opportunity to strike Iran opens during the transition from the old President the new. If Bush judged that his incoming successor lacked the resolve to take the neccessary action, or if it were judged that blaming Bush would ease the way of the new President, there might be arguments for striking after the election but before the innauguration.

31 December 2009
If strikes have not occured by January 2009, the new President will have some months to decide on a course of action. If strikes have not occured by the end of 2009, American policy will have shifted from saying the Atomic Ayatollahs are unacceptable, to accepting them as an accomplished fact.

 

 

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This is in effect another don't worry, this has been going on for years, there will not be an attack on Iran. This is in total contradiction with this repeating spin that keeps rolling off the Western Media Information flood pump.

September 9, 2008 (obscure data surfaces slowly on the net and can be delayed)

So - for the contra point of soothing denials of danger of an attack on Iran - we have this

But is it not strange that Ayman al-Zawahiri appeared yesterday attacking Iran for the first time, was it coincidence?  And Iran Daily reported the Iranian army - Revolution Guards three days maneuvers in the Gulf in Ramdan is it also coincidence?

A Source who would like to stay anonymous told the Egyptian Resistance Voice that the U.S. - Israel would attack the Iranian nuclear facilities within few days.

The attack which is also approved by European countries will start from the American - Israeli military bases in Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Bahrain and Palestine.The source expected the attack to be between 10 and 11 September which coincides with several events including such as the attack on the World Trade Center in New York and the Islamic Badr battle. He mentioned that Arab and Islamic countries Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Iraq and Afghanistan are informed in advance about this attack.

The website says that Hezbollah is on full alert and Syria along with the Palestinian factions postponed their negotiations with Israel for the same reason.

One other thing to add, Egyptian political analyst and strategic expert, Major General Mahmoud Zaher broke his oath of “not to write about politics during Ramadan” and said the following in his article “A Time ruled by the devil’s spirit“:The information made me break my intention [oath] is wrapped in a question says:

What will the 9/11 of this year 2008 holds for us…?? Has it been done and planted as the new pretext, global Zionists can harvest again …From my information, the answer is “Yes”.

In his article Zaher warns Arab leaders and especially Mubarak of Egypt of the consequences of following the American - Israeli plans.

comment: This is certainly not a warm fuzzy 9/11 Israel or the U.S. will not attack data source. Look at this - tomorrows news -

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1019989.html
A satellite image of Iran's uranium enrichment plant in Natanz. (AP)



Israel asks U.S. for arms, air corridor to attack Iran
By Amos Harel and Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondents
Tags: U.S., bunker buster, Iran 

The security aid package the United States has refused to give Israel for the past few months out of concern that Israel would use it to attack nuclear facilities in Iran included a large number of "bunker-buster" bombs, permission to use an air corridor to Iran, an advanced technological system and refueling planes.

Officials from both countries have been discussing the Israeli requests over the past few months. Their rejection would make it very difficult for Israel to attack Iran, if such a decision is made.

About a month ago, Haaretz reported that the Bush administration had turned down an Israeli request for certain security items that could upgrade Israel's capability to attack Iran. The U.S. administration reportedly saw the request as a sign preparations were moving ahead for an Israeli attack on Iran.
Diplomatic and security sources indicated to Haaretz that the list of components Israel included:

Bunker-buster GBU-28 bombs: In 2005, the U.S. said it was supplying these bombs to Israel. In August 2006, The New York Times reported that the U.S. had expedited the dispatch of additional bombs at the height of the Second Lebanon War. The bombs, which weigh 2.2 tons each, can penetrate six meters of reinforced concrete. Israel appears to have asked for a relatively large number of additional bunker-busters, and was turned down.

Air-space authorization: An attack on Iran would apparently require passage through Iraqi air space. For this to occur, an air corridor would be needed that Israeli fighter jets could cross without being targeted by American planes or anti-aircraft missiles. The Americans also turned down this request. According to one account, to avoid the issue, the Americans told the Israelis to ask Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki for permission, along the lines of "If you want, coordinate with him."

Refueling planes. An air attack on Iran would require refueling of fighter jets on the way back. According to a report on Channel 10 a few weeks ago, the U.S. rejected an Israeli request for more advanced refueling tankers, of the Boeing 767 model.

The refueling craft the Israel Air Force now uses are very outmoded, something that make it difficult to operate at long distances from Israel. Even if the Americans were to respond favorably to such a request, the process could take a few years.

The IDF recently reported that it is overhauling a Boeing 707 that previously served as the prime minister's plane to serve as a refueling aircraft.

Advanced technological systems. The Israeli sources declined to give any details on this point.

The Israeli requests were discussed during President George W. Bush's visit to Israel in May, as well as during Defense Minister Ehud Barak's visit to Washington in July. In a series of meetings at a very senior level, following Bush's visit, the Americans made clear to the Israelis that for now they are sticking to the diplomatic option to halt the Iranian nuclear project and that Jerusalem does not have a green light from Washington for an attack on Iran.

However, it appears that in compensation for turning down Israel's "offensive" requests, the U.S. has agreed to strengthen its defensive systems.

During the Barak visit, it was agreed that an advanced U.S. radar system would be stationed in the Negev, and the order to send it was made at that time. The system would double to 2,000 kilometers the range of identification of missiles launched from the direction of Iran, and would be connected to an American early warning system.

The system is to be operated by American civilians as well as two American soldiers. This would be the first permanent U.S. force on Israeli soil.

A senior security official said the Americans were preparing "with the greatest speed" to make good on their promise, and the systems could be installed within a month.

The Israeli security source said he believed Washington was moving ahead quickly on the request because it considered it very important to restrain Israel at this time.

At the beginning of the year, the Israeli leadership still considered it a reasonable possibility that Bush would decide to attack Iran before the end of his term.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, in private discussions, even raised the possibility that the U.S. was considering an attack in the transition period between the election in November and the inauguration of the new president in January 2009.

However, Jerusalem now assumes that likelihood of this possibility is close to nil, and that Bush will use the rest of his time in office to strengthen what he defines as the Iraqi achievement, following the relative success of American efforts there over the past year and a half.



Comment: let's get our ducks in a row here. Data vs. spin.



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Originally posted by waterboy waterboy wrote:

Ive heard from a reliable source that the US will strike Iran within THREE weeks. In addition was that a nuclear test in Iran today that triggered earthquake measuring 6.1-7.5 on the richter scale?


not clear on the earthquake waterboy but we could use a translation of this I dug up here

http://almoqawma1.tripod.com/attacked.htm

IMHO - definitely

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade or unduly alarm, but there is considerly different data coming from obscure sources in Arabic concerning much more activity and considerable levels of high alert.

It is quite obvious the U.S. is NOT going to let Israel do this, even though they are emphatically trying to secure an air corridor, weapons, and everything possible right now to attack Iran. This would set off all that has been discussed on this thread - a Jihad if Israel is the the attacker.

Unmentioned in all of this is that Iran and other Arabic countries have their own intelligence sources, agents, cells, and moles in our system.

They do not go in alert status unless they have intelligence they are going to be hit. The entire region across the Gulf is on alert.

It is very out character for us to be saying "Don't worry Iran, keep those centrifuges spinning, we are not going to hurt you and while you are at it, pump up some more nuclear tech to send to Nigeria from Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea.

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I have no idea what the earth clock is doing blocking the data on the last post


The security aid package the United States has refused to give Israel for the past few months out of concern that Israel would use it to attack nuclear facilities in Iran included a large number of "bunker-buster" bombs, permission to use an air corridor to Iran, an advanced technological system and refueling planes.

Officials from both countries have been discussing the Israeli requests over the past few months. Their rejection would make it very difficult for Israel to attack Iran, if such a decision is made.

About a month ago, Haaretz reported that the Bush administration had turned down an Israeli request for certain security items that could upgrade Israel's capability to attack Iran. The U.S. administration reportedly saw the request as a sign preparations were moving ahead for an Israeli attack on Iran.
Diplomatic and security sources indicated to Haaretz that the list of components Israel included:

Bunker-buster GBU-28 bombs: In 2005, the U.S. said it was supplying these bombs to Israel. In August 2006, The New York Times reported that the U.S. had expedited the dispatch of additional bombs at the height of the Second Lebanon War. The bombs, which weigh 2.2 tons each, can penetrate six meters of reinforced concrete. Israel appears to have asked for a relatively large number of additional bunker-busters, and was turned down.

Air-space authorization: An attack on Iran would apparently require passage through Iraqi air space. For this to occur, an air corridor would be needed that Israeli fighter jets could cross without being targeted by American planes or anti-aircraft missiles. The Americans also turned down this request. According to one account, to avoid the issue, the Americans told the Israelis to ask Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki for permission, along the lines of "If you want, coordinate with him."

Refueling planes. An air attack on Iran would require refueling of fighter jets on the way back. According to a report on Channel 10 a few weeks ago, the U.S. rejected an Israeli request for more advanced refueling tankers, of the Boeing 767 model.

The refueling craft the Israel Air Force now uses are very outmoded, something that make it difficult to operate at long distances from Israel. Even if the Americans were to respond favorably to such a request, the process could take a few years.

The IDF recently reported that it is overhauling a Boeing 707 that previously served as the prime minister's plane to serve as a refueling aircraft.

Advanced technological systems. The Israeli sources declined to give any details on this point.

The Israeli requests were discussed during President George W. Bush's visit to Israel in May, as well as during Defense Minister Ehud Barak's visit to Washington in July. In a series of meetings at a very senior level, following Bush's visit, the Americans made clear to the Israelis that for now they are sticking to the diplomatic option to halt the Iranian nuclear project and that Jerusalem does not have a green light from Washington for an attack on Iran.

However, it appears that in compensation for turning down Israel's "offensive" requests, the U.S. has agreed to strengthen its defensive systems.

During the Barak visit, it was agreed that an advanced U.S. radar system would be stationed in the Negev, and the order to send it was made at that time. The system would double to 2,000 kilometers the range of identification of missiles launched from the direction of Iran, and would be connected to an American early warning system.

The system is to be operated by American civilians as well as two American soldiers. This would be the first permanent U.S. force on Israeli soil.

A senior security official said the Americans were preparing "with the greatest speed" to make good on their promise, and the systems could be installed within a month.

The Israeli security source said he believed Washington was moving ahead quickly on the request because it considered it very important to restrain Israel at this time.

At the beginning of the year, the Israeli leadership still considered it a reasonable possibility that Bush would decide to attack Iran before the end of his term.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, in private discussions, even raised the possibility that the U.S. was considering an attack in the transition period between the election in November and the inauguration of the new president in January 2009.

However, Jerusalem now assumes that likelihood of this possibility is close to nil, and that Bush will use the rest of his time in office to strengthen what he defines as the Iraqi achievement, following the relative success of American efforts there over the past year and a half.


also there is a further link documenting more but it is in arabic

http://almoqawma1.tripod.com/attacked.htm

There could be informative data if this were translated from Arabic.

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hi Med, I looked at it and don't see a lot that is new... unless you can pick something out.  Seems they are formulating what could happen.  I can't imagine a (mostly) Christian  Nation attacking any country at the time of their religious holiday.  But this is what they would do...  They have a whole scene played out with NATO and half the Arab world.  At least they know the US is serious.
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Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:

hi Med, I looked at it and don't see a lot that is new... unless you can pick something out.  Seems they are formulating what could happen.  I can't imagine a (mostly) Christian  Nation attacking any country at the time of their religious holiday.  But this is what they would do...  They have a whole scene played out with NATO and half the Arab world.  At least they know the US is serious.


Did you translate the Arabic? I have a translator but it is monitored by an Arabic site.

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Peres warns Olmert: Attack on Iran could spark wide-scale war
By Haaretz Service
Septemeber 7, 2008  


President Shimon Peres has warned Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that a military attack on Iranian nuclear facilities is likely to trigger a wide-scale confrontation, A British newspaper reported Sunday.

Peres is the first senior politician to warn the prime minister against an Israeli attack on Iran, with other politicians threatening an air attack if Tehran does not abandon uranium enrichment in what the West believes is a quest to develop nuclear weapons.

"The military path will not solve the problem," Peres said in an interview with Britain's Sunday Times. "Such an attack can trigger a bigger war."
Peres said he prefers the civilian path, adding that he has voiced this sentiment directly to Olmert. However, he declined to reveal what the prime minister had said in response.

Peres, a firm believer in international cooperation, added that Israel requires the cooperation of more nations in order to stop Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The danger is not a nuclear Iran, Peres continued, but rather nuclear weapons in the hands of dangerous leaders like the Iranian president.

"If Switzerland announces tomorrow that it has nuclear weapons, would anyone worry?" said Peres.

"I recently told [Russian Prime Minister Vladimir] Putin that the Marxists say that religion is the opium of the masses. I say religion is the opium of leaders like Ahmadinejad," he added.

Peres said a serious attempt to cut the price of oil would help reduce Iran's ambitions to a more realistic level.

"The world has no choice - if nuclear weapons reach the hands of
terrorists, it will be impossible to rule the world," he said.

In the interview, Peres also criticized American foreign policy, saying it relied too heavily on military strength in its attempts to bring democracy to the Middle East.

Peres said it would be wiser to use economic strength, saying, "If you suggest elections to the Saudis or to King Abdullah of Jordan they will refuse, as they regard democracy as a new religion and they want to remain Muslims. But if American businessmen offer high-tech companies, they would be most welcome."

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And this is today

Saturday 9/13/08

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=177225

Iran missiles are a deterrent: IRGC commander

QAZVIN (Press TV) -- A senior Islamic Revolution Guards Corps' commander says Iran's new long-range missiles have strengthened the country's defensive force.
“The progress that has been made in developing military equipment, weaponry and long-range missiles has added to our ability to prevent an enemy attack,” Deputy Commander of the IRGC Ground Force Nour-Ali Shoushtari said in Iran's central city of Qazvin on Saturday.

Today, the enemy does not dare to attack Iran, as it knows that it will receive fatal blows from Iran if it ventures into such a stupid act,” he added.

Shoushtari's comments follow recent remarks by French President Nicolas Sarkozy in favor of a possible Israeli military strike against Iran.

We could find one morning that Israel has struck

[Iran], Sarkozy said on Thursday, adding that no one would question the illegitimacy of such an act of aggression.

In response to threats from Israel and its western allies, Iran has recently carried out several extensive military maneuvers in the Persian Gulf and the Hormuz Strait.

The most recent maneuvers, called The Great Prophet III, was conducted in early July. During the military exercises, Iranian forces test-fired nine missiles including the 2,000 km-range Shahab 3, equipped with a one-ton conventional warhead.

The Great Prophet III maneuvers followed an earlier secret Israeli war-game in the Mediterranean, which appeared to be a rehearsal for a potential attack on Iran's nuclear sites.

comment: this reference to the war-game is vague enough not to reveal any usable information by 'others'.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8704240784

For the 'but wait a minute people'

Yes, the western media and spin have already denied this test ever happened.  It has been denied that Iran even has a Shahab 3 missile, it has been denied they have tested one. The reason is because of the range of the missile. It would enable them to successfully attack Israel. If one reviews what has already been shipped to the Hizbollah and used over the border so that 1,200 Israelis had to go into bomb shelters after years of only less than 20 mile hits from across the border, and this technology and weaponary has been shipped and used already by the Hizbollah, this whole event is very controversial and attacked.

Well, Albert if you feel this video is 'too hot to put up, or whatever.. please pull the link.
This is not American military or our weapons. This is Muslim - and allegedly a video of Great Prophet III which never happened. Also the boat launch of a 'skimmer' missile - a real pain in the whatever in the gulf speaks for itself. It is used to sink air craft carriers and launched from a very small and mobile craft.

footage of missile and also 'skimmer missile' launch. Notice the logo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojFwwA0PU64


tiny - http://tinyurl.com/68jxze

Iran first fighter jets and air capability

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmvz-9uGj8A&NR=1


tiny - http://tinyurl.com/5eavra

Point : We need to continue to monitor the situation in Iran and take the development of missile and air forces seriously. I have posted this post and these links so that if our president makes a statement that some sort of serious military action must take place in the Gulf - there is more involved than bombing centrifuges making plutonium. Although always diplomatic alternatives should be exhausted, there may soon come a time when words are not enough.

 

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Med I put some posts in Members..Gulf Room...will put new additions there. ....part of the translation is there, didn't want to put a bunch of my talking posts on your thread :)


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Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:

Med I put some posts in Members..Gulf Room ....part of the translation is there, didn't want to put a bunch of my talking posts on your thread :)


Thanks Mary. Will go there, and thanks for taking the time to do that.

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Originally posted by medclinician medclinician wrote:

And this is today

Saturday 9/13/08

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=177225

Iran missiles are a deterrent: IRGC commander

QAZVIN (Press TV) -- A senior Islamic Revolution Guards Corps' commander says Iran's new long-range missiles have strengthened the country's defensive force.
“The progress that has been made in developing military equipment, weaponry and long-range missiles has added to our ability to prevent an enemy attack,” Deputy Commander of the IRGC Ground Force Nour-Ali Shoushtari said in Iran's central city of Qazvin on Saturday.

Today, the enemy does not dare to attack Iran, as it knows that it will receive fatal blows from Iran if it ventures into such a stupid act,” he added.

Shoushtari's comments follow recent remarks by French President Nicolas Sarkozy in favor of a possible Israeli military strike against Iran.

We could find one morning that Israel has struck

[Iran], Sarkozy said on Thursday, adding that no one would question the illegitimacy of such an act of aggression.

In response to threats from Israel and its western allies, Iran has recently carried out several extensive military maneuvers in the Persian Gulf and the Hormuz Strait.

The most recent maneuvers, called The Great Prophet III, was conducted in early July. During the military exercises, Iranian forces test-fired nine missiles including the 2,000 km-range Shahab 3, equipped with a one-ton conventional warhead.

The Great Prophet III maneuvers followed an earlier secret Israeli war-game in the Mediterranean, which appeared to be a rehearsal for a potential attack on Iran's nuclear sites.

comment: this reference to the war-game is vague enough not to reveal any usable information by 'others'.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8704240784

For the 'but wait a minute people'

Yes, the western media and spin have already denied this test ever happened.  It has been denied that Iran even has a Shahab 3 missile, it has been denied they have tested one. The reason is because of the range of the missile. It would enable them to successfully attack Israel. If one reviews what has already been shipped to the Hizbollah and used over the border so that 1,200 Israelis had to go into bomb shelters after years of only less than 20 mile hits from across the border, and this technology and weaponary has been shipped and used already by the Hizbollah, this whole event is very controversial and attacked.

Well, Albert if you feel this video is 'too hot to put up, or whatever.. please pull the link.
This is not American military or our weapons. This is Muslim - and allegedly a video of Great Prophet III which never happened. Also the boat launch of a 'skimmer' missile - a real pain in the whatever in the gulf speaks for itself. It is used to sink air craft carriers and launched from a very small and mobile craft.

footage of missile and also 'skimmer missile' launch. Notice the logo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojFwwA0PU64


Iran first fighter jets and air capability

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmvz-9uGj8A&NR=1


(this link has been shut down) I will repost one more link .. if that is shut down as well I will remove both.. I guess that might be a 'hint' from wherever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmvz-9uGj8A&feature=related

this clip is dated (2006) - anything more recent might be inappropriate

Point : We need to continue to monitor the situation in Iran and take the development of missile and air forces seriously. I have posted this post and these links so that if our president makes a statement that some sort of serious military action must take place in the Gulf - there is more involved than bombing centrifuges making plutonium. Although always diplomatic alternatives should be exhausted, there may soon come a time when words are not enough.

Okay - I guess -

and then Russia entered the picture and began selling something else to Iran and Syria. Iran's  very limited super jet became an antique - and now with Russia selling advanced weapons - this is now. This is why we need to pay attention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lKZOvYOhX0&NR=1
 

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Topic of video...


Iran will consider a ...surgical strike ... as War... Iran will react with full scale war...more than 80 places at once would have to be bombed inside Iran. 
Why is it a nightmare for Iran to have nuclear weapons?  Anymore than China, israel or the US?
....................................

I'm wondering...Has Russia warned us of what they have.... actually sold to Iran?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43CGnZMVBjM&feature=related


Med, why do your above links work in posts and mine do not?




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Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:


Topic of video...


Iran will consider a ...surgical strike ... as War... Iran will react with full scale war...more than 80 places at once would have to be bombed inside Iran. 
Why is it a nightmare for Iran to have nuclear weapons?  Anymore than China, israel or the US?
....................................

I'm wondering...Has Russia warned us of what they have.... actually sold to Iran?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43CGnZMVBjM&feature=related


Med, why do your above links work in posts and mine do not?

_________________________________________________________________

I am going to move this to a new browser - and clip it and see if I can get it to work. The last link of the former post is the most important.

I am going to give you a straight link and a tiny.. one should work and should answer your question.

None of this is American.. we have some pretty impressive stuff none of which will ever be posted about here which can take this out of the sky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lKZOvYOhX0&NR=1

this is a tiny that should .. last

http://tinyurl.com/5srbo2

and

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/syria-buying-mig31s-mig35s-for-1-billion-03391/

In answer to your question Mary and in my very humble opinion, why can't Iran be allowed to go nuclear?  Unlike the nations who have preserved and maintained the trust and enormous responsibility of having nuclear arms, even Russia has shown restraint in never using them despite whatever  the situation.

The volatile nations, the rogue states, the countries who harbor terrorists, train them, and arm groups with increasingly advanced weapons, will not honor the sacred trust of three generations. They will use them. And if they don't - they will give them to terrorist groups who will. A line had to drawn in the sand with Iraq after they invaded Kuwait.

We approach an election. Our new president and vice-president will be handed the serious problem of Iran. Not to be overly dramatic, but every voter should go into this election and seriously consider the policies and abilities of the candidates to deal with this.

The thread is to follow what is happening in Iran- really happening- outside the mainstream media. It is to the benefit of those who are running for office for the public to be aware of the graveness of the issue of Iran.  Why not give nuclear weapons to rogue states?  Because they will use them.

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Why not give nuclear weapons to rogue states. Because they will use them.



Med... good answer

I agree , it was meant that those questions were what was being asked by the guy in the video, rather than me.  

He doesn't seem to know that we fear that ultimately Iran would use Nuk power for harm.  He thinks we should fear war with Iran now, rather than later.
Fear so powerful as to keep us from acting in our own defense?

If Churchill knew yrs in advance that he had the power to stop Hitler flat would he have said, now now we don't want to tangle with the Germans. 

in fact...

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Churchill had been among the first to recognize the growing threat of Hitler long before the outset of the Second World War, and his warnings had gone largely unheeded. Although there was an element of British public and political sentiment favouring negotiated peace with a clearly ascendant Germany, among them the Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax, Churchill nonetheless refused to consider an armistice with Hitler's Germany.[129]

His use of rhetoric hardened public opinion against a peaceful resolution and prepared the British for a long war.[130] Coining the general term for the upcoming battle, Churchill stated in his "finest hour" speech to the House of Commons on 18 June 1940, "I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin."[131]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill

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CHURCHILL SPEECH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsKDGM5KTBY


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Med, my posts are in mat black and my links still do not work??
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Originally posted by Mary08 Mary08 wrote:




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Churchill had been among the first to recognize the growing threat of Hitler long before the outset of the Second World War, and his warnings had gone largely unheeded. Although there was an element of British public and political sentiment favouring negotiated peace with a clearly ascendant Germany, among them the Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax, Churchill nonetheless refused to consider an armistice with Hitler's Germany.[129]

His use of rhetoric hardened public opinion against a peaceful resolution and prepared the British for a long war.[130] Coining the general term for the upcoming battle, Churchill stated in his "finest hour" speech to the House of Commons on 18 June 1940, "I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin."[131]

note: not sure - but I just use the globe and glass icon and to go tiny I go to tinyurl.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill

http://tinyurl.com/8oq4y
.............................................................

CHURCHILL SPEECH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsKDGM5KTBY

http://tinyurl.com/57c2cr

hope that worked for you - Med

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SEPTEMBER !3, 2008


http://www.unitedjerusalem.com/index2.asp?Curr=139


1) Syrian commandos invade seven N. Lebanese villages outside Tripoli (DEBKAfile) Exclusive Report 09/13/08 10:21 PM (GMT+02:00)

2) Russia lines up with Syria, Iran against America and the West (DEBKAfile) Exclusive Report 09/12/08 10:28 PM (GMT+02:00)

3) Iran diverts UF6 uranium from Isfahan to boost covert military nuclear project (DEBKAfile) Special Report 09/12/08 9:01 PM (GMT+02:00)

4) Israel-Gaza border is again on missile alert (DEBKAfile) Exclusive Report 09/12/08 6:17 PM (GMT+02:00) 
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Iran Digs In, Producing All Terrain War Ants
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Video-
 
 
 
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5 Ex-State Secretaries urge US-Iran talks
 
Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:35:39 GMT
 
 
Five former US Secretaries of State say the next American administration should hold direct and unconditional talks with Tehran.
 
 
Article here-
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The problem with Iran continues to escalate and yet is one of the most under covered stories on main stream media.  Also preparations for Russian military Peter the Great to join Venezuela in the Caribbean have neither changed or has the efforts of Russia to form an alliance with Bolivia, Cuba and Venezuela.

(Independent Sources) -  New York

September 16, 2008

Days before Iran's president arrives here for the annual U.N. General Assembly session, his country is ratcheting up its defiance of America and the International Atomic Energy Agency.

http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Focus/IaeaIran/index.shtml


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The IAEA is taking Iran to task over its refusal to cooperate with nuclear inspectors and its violation of U.N. Security Council resolutions, but far from being ostracized at the General Assembly, President Ahmadinejad is expected to be fêted by some of the key countries attending the session.

IAEA officials told reporters yesterday that they have arrived at an impasse in their efforts to verify Iran's contention that its nuclear program is designed solely for peaceful purposes. Iran responded by heightening its anti-Western rhetoric and conducting air exercises aimed at countering a possible attack on its nuclear installations.

Leading members of the Security Council are considering imposing new punitive measures against Iran this month, American officials said yesterday, though in order to reach agreement the measures would likely need to be softened. The political directors of the five permanent members of the council and of Germany are expected to meet Thursday, and the foreign ministers of the group will meet next week on the sidelines of the General Assembly debate.

But as they deliberate over how best to respond to the IAEA's latest report, issued yesterday, Western leaders will have to consider the alliances of Mr. Ahmadinejad, who is expected to address the world body next Tuesday and receive a salutary toast later that week from the General Assembly's highest elected official, Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann of Nicaragua, its new president.

"It's imperative that they cooperate" or "face the prospect of further sanctions," the American ambassador to the United Nations, Zalmay Khalilzad, said of the IAEA report. But he acknowledged that the increasingly divided Security Council could have additional problems uniting because of Russia's recent conflict with Georgia. Russia has been Iran's staunchest defender in past council deliberations.

"Certainly Georgia is there, and I don't want to understate that it's there," Mr. Khalilzad said.  "At the same time, Iran's moving forward to acquire nuclear weapons capabilities is an issue that the Russians have indicated is of concern to them, and certainly it's of concern to us."

Despite the IAEA report, Mr. Ahmadinejad is expected to be celebrated by some admirers when he arrives in New York for the General Assembly. Mr. d'Escoto, who assumed the one-year assembly presidency yesterday, will address an Iranian-sponsored gathering of "political religious leaders" on September 26 at Manhattan's Grand Hyatt Hotel, at which the Iranian president will be the guest of honor, according to an invitation for the event.

Yesterday's report took Iran to task on several outstanding inspection issues, including its experimentation with detonators for nuclear weapons. Iran has denied conducting "experimentation in connection with symmetrical initiation of a hemispherical high explosive charge suitable for an implosion type nuclear device," the agency's outgoing director, Mohamed ElBaradei, writes in the six-page periodical report. But agency inspectors have obtained information that shows that such experiments did take place and, further, that they "may have involved the assistance of foreign expertise," Mr. ElBaradei writes.

Sources in Vienna, where the IAEA is based, declined to identify the foreign experts. Iran has not cooperated in clarifying the issue and several other questions, Mr. ElBaradei writes. "Contrary to the decisions of the Security Council, Iran has not suspended its enrichment-related activities," he adds.

Iran's foreign minister, Manouchehr Mottaki, requested a meeting yesterday with his German counterpart, Frank-Walter Steinmeier. As a top European power that maintains commercial ties with Iran, Germany was added to the five permanent Security Council members — America, Britain, France, China, and Russia — as part of the group steering policy on Iran. Some diplomats consider Germany to be the "weakest European link" in the group, but after an hour long meeting in Berlin yesterday with Mr. Mottaki, Mr. Steinmeier said he was disappointed with Iran's lack of cooperation.

"Our cooperation with the agency ... especially during the last year, has been sincere, serious, and in the framework of the agency's responsibilities," Mr. Mottaki said Sunday in Tehran, according to Iran's Fars news agency.

Separately, the Iranian air force yesterday conducted exercises to prepare the country for a possible Israeli or American attack against its nuclear installations, Fars reported.

"If Iran is attacked, it will deliver a crushing blow to the enemy," an Iranian air force commander, General Ahmad Miqani, told Fars. "We will surprise the enemy and make them regret they attacked."

comment: Iran continues to mobilize its military forces and development of nuclear technology in defiance of NATOs repeated requests, efforts, and negotiations.

This information is current and accurate. It is almost non-existent in the mainstream media.

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