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_____________________________________ MC reply: Source ; person on site and also data from Military.com - DefenseTech Hizballah are becoming more of a problem because they are becoming more of an organized political force. Here's some serious data the readers might find interesting ... Hezbollah's Deadly ArsenalFor years, the border towns and kibbutzim in the upper Golan section of Israel, near Lebanon and Syria, have been under threat from Katyusha missiles. Cities just a few miles further south -- like Haifa and Tsfat, the crumbling, quiet mountaintop home of Jewish mysticism -- were safe; relying on short-range Katyusha rockets, Lebanese militants had the ability to sew terror only twelve miles into Israel. That changed on Thursday, when Hezbollah launched a new weapon, the Ra'ad rocket, which hit Tsfat and, for the first time, Haifa, 20 miles from the border. 220,000 Israelis stayed in bomb shelters last night to avoid the missiles, Ha'Aretz reports. The exact make-up and configuration of these weapons is unclear. Some sources call it a modified anti-tank rocket; others a cruise missile. Range estimates vary from 120 to 350 kilometers, or more. One report calls it a 122mm projectile. Hezbollah claims the Iranian-made "rocket is of 333 mm in diameter and has a warhead of 100 kilograms." Hezbollah's arsenal is likely filled with even deadlier weapons. Israel believes the terrorist group "has missiles that can hit most of Israel,Ha'Aretz notes and which could even strike Be'er Sheva [deep in Israel's southern, Negev desert] under optimum conditions," .
Source on scene: I was supposed to spend my honeymoon next month lounging around Haifa, hiking in the Golan, maybe spending the sabbath in Tsfat. Now, these Hezbollah weapons have introduced a new calculus: how much fear is my wife willing to take? note: The U.S. has considerable weaponry and technology. The problem is the mobility and covertness of this group and their ability to emerge from the scenery, fire, and flee. This presents an issue in targeting a source assault position. Often a number of missiles or an attack force would be neutralized within minutes after firing. This was a strategy used in Iraq when radar locations would lock on American aircraft. The same applies to a surgical strike upon Iran's plutonium centrifuges and nuclear development facilities. Much of the hardware could be scattered quickly and moved throughout Iran vaporizing a clear single tactical target. Strategic cells on the ground from Western forces spot in some case where drone type pilotless craft are used to target and engage. So it is not so simple as may depicted by the media of these huge development centers clearly targeted by satellite visual and using a load and let go no need to guide missile at a target. The targets would be in motion, the fighters would fade in and fade out of the civilian population, and as in Iraq would most certain use high population centers as shields to create scenarios where there are heavy non-combatant causalities which could then be propagandized, used to excite the Muslims and fuel the Jihad.. IMHO of course. References
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We've been having loads of Israel propaganda commercials here the last couple days.
One asked what we in Minneapolis would do if we were having St. Paul residents launch missiles at us. Then talking about a nuclear armed Iran and the global disaster this would cause.
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Med ,what is all the hype (from the US Government) about Iran having nuclear tech? They already have nuky missiles... How much nuky does it take? nut much I imagine.
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First, some of the ranks are softening in terms of Iran going nuclear considering the alternatives to starting a war over it. They may get away with it but we may not be able to stop Israel from attacking them anyway. There are extremely detailed and probably not a great idea to post specs on our current arsenal and effective damage we could deliver from the U.S. nuclear stockpile via subs and missiles, and railguns, lasers, and weapons which are high yield. . The following is much simplified - Both the US and Russia have the capability to detonate thermonuclear fusion bombs in excess of 100 million tons of TNT. It is very difficult to imagine an explosion like that, but the heat generated would either kill or maim anyone within a 10 mile radius of the detonation instantly. The resulting environmental destruction and radiation poisoning would kill or maim anyone within 25-50 miles, depending on the area struck, within the following 3 days. The radioactive fallout would have the capacity to cause a variety of serious illnesses for months afterward, the area would depend on the direction of the wind. Basically it would be a really big bummer. Keep in mind that the explosive power of the Hiroshima bomb was only a very tiny fraction of a bomb like this, only 15,000 tons of TNT, (if I remember correctly) as opposed to 100,000,000 tons of TNT, kind of boggles the mind. Saying more than this.. would be saying too much. M.C. |
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We had the same adds here when the DNC was here!!
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Something wicked these way comes!!
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that cheered me up... So wondering what is the point for them to posture like that, If we can all do the damage so well.
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Not so quiet on the MID EASTERN FRONT.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north648.html |
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r we there yet?
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that guy writes-
"Why should this story not be front-page news?"
Because .......................we are at war is the answer.
not a time when voters get to weigh in.
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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1220186494776&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
The Dutch intelligence service, the AIVD, has called off an operation aimed at infiltrating and sabotaging Iran's weapons industry due to an assessment that a US attack on the Islamic Republic's nuclear program is imminent, according to a report in the country's De Telegraaf newspaper on Friday. The report claimed that the Dutch operation had been "extremely successful," and had been stopped because the US military was planning to hit targets that were "connected with the Dutch espionage action." The impending air-strike on Iran was to be carried out by unmanned aircraft "within weeks," the report claimed, quoting "well placed" sources. The Jerusalem Post could not confirm the De Telegraaf report. According to the report, information gleaned from the AIVD's operation in Iran has provided several of the targets that are to be attacked in the strike, including "parts for missiles and launching equipment.""Information from the AIVD operation has been shared in recent years with the CIA," the report said. On Saturday, Iran's Deputy Chief of Staff General Masoud Jazayeri warned that should the United States or Israel attack Iran, it would be the start of another World War. On Friday, Ma'ariv reported that Israel had made a strategic decision to deny Iran military nuclear capability and would not hesitate "to take whatever means necessary" to prevent Teheran from achieving its nuclear goals. According to the report, whether the United States and Western countries succeed in thwarting the Islamic Republic's nuclear ambitions diplomatically, through sanctions, or whether a US strike on Iran is eventually decided upon, Jerusalem has begun preparing for a separate, independent military strike. comment: This is still an unconfirmed report.Medclinician |
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http://www.metimes.com/Politics/2008/08/27/iran_general_says_israel_too_vulnerable_to_attack/afp/
readers link: http://tinyurl.com/6lj259 A military truck carries a long-range Iranian Shahab-3
Ballistic missile during an annual military parade in Tehran in 2007. The head
of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, General Mohammad Ali Jafari, has said
Israel is too vulnerable to Iran's longer-range missiles to dare launch an
attack. (AFP Atta Kenare) Middle East Times September 4, 2008 issue TEHRAN (AFP) The head of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards,
General Mohammad Ali Jafari, said on Wednesday that Israel is too vulnerable to
Iran's longer-range missiles to dare launch an attack.
"Our strategic assessment shows that if the Zionist regime took action, whether alone or with the United States, in minimal time all of its territory would be vulnerable because this country lacks strategic depth and lies within the range of Iranian missiles," the Mehr news agency quoted him as saying. "Iran's ballistic capabilities are such that the Zionist regime, with all the means at its disposal, has no way of countering them," the general added. In recent months, several Israeli politicians have talked of the possibility of a pre-emptive military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities to avoid any possibility of Tehran acquiring an atomic weapon. Iran has responded by threatening retaliatory strikes with its Shahab-3 missiles which have a nominal range of 2,000 kilometres (1,250 miles) -- enough to reach Israel. "In the event of an attack against against Iran, the Israelis know that with the capabilities that the Islamic world and the Shiite world have in the region, they will suffer deadly strikes," Jafari said, alluding to the Shiite militant group Hezbollah across Israel's northern border with Lebanon. He said an attack against Iran could come only from the United States and warned that in that event "our riposte will be swift, tough and unimaginable". He said that the presence of US forces all around Iran's borders, in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Gulf, made them too vulnerable to reprisal attacks. © 2008 Agence France-Presse MC FYI Readers - Background - What you should know about the Iranian Shahab-3 missile
Shahab-3 / Zelzal-3
The Iranian Shahab-3 is a single-stage, liquid-fueled, road-mobile, medium-range ballistic missile with a range of approximately 800 miles (1,280 km). A MRBM variant, sometimes called Shahab-4, has a range of more than 1,200 miles (1,930 km). Shahab-3 is capable of carrying a 1,000-760 kilogram warhead. Fewer than 20 launchers were deployed as of March 2006, according to Air Force Intelligence. The variant was not deployed at the time. Shahab-3 means Meteor-3 or Shooting Star-3 in Farsi [alternatively designated Zelzal (Earthquake)] is derivative from the 1,300-1,500 kilometer range North Korean No-dong missile. Design HeritageThe No-dong ballistic missile was developed by the North Korean's with Soviet Gorbachev era technical participation along with Chinese contributions and Iranian financial assistance. The former Soviet Union's technology transfer contribution is circumstantially strongly suspected as having come from the Acad. V. P. Makeyev OKB Design Bureau developers of the Soviet era Scud-B, and its follow on SLBM's and the Isayev OKB, S-2.713 rocket engine design which was used on the Soviet SS-N-4 SLBM. This was directly the results of strategic arms reduction treaties creating unemployment in a large Cadre of technically qualified personnel in the Makeyev OKB's essentially cancelled liquid propellant SLBM programs of the Former Soviet Union since no other form of employment was successfully offered to them. That highly modified Isayev OKB, S-2.713M rocket engine design strongly reflects its Scud-B design heritage but represents an entirely new liquid propellant rocket engine far beyond the growth potential of the modified Scud-B and C class engines for application to the No-dong. That No-dong engine also reflects modern Soviet rocket engine start up design technology such as the solid charge starter to spin up the turbo-pump, instead of start up propellant tanks, and the pyrotechnics used to open the propellant flow and to cut it off. It also reflects the typical on off rocket engine design philosophy used by the Soviets. All Soviet era SLBM's owe their design heritage to the Scud-A and Scud-B tactical ballistic missiles. China's contribution to the No-dong project came from the joint North Korean/Chinese project conducted between 1976-78, the cancelled DF-61 missile, essentially a Scud-C capability ballistic missile with a range of 600 km. carrying a 1,000 kg warhead that also featured a strap-down guidance system. Iran in fact decided to totally rework the North Korean No-dong design to their liking with Russian and now Chinese help but they have yet to successfully indigenously produce the whole vehicle to North Korea's standards.
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There is certainly no less danger of American attack on Iran. In fact, should the Republicans win the election - we could not have a more hawkish aggressive group in charge of our military.
There is still a problem: Sarkozy's new sense of urgency may owe something to the Dutch intelligence story. Who knows? Cynics suspect that these recurrent rumors of air strikes against Iran are deliberately leaked as some form of (so far unsuccessful) psychological pressure against Tehran. But the Bush administration has just 60 days to go before the presidential elections, less than 140 days before Bush leaves the White House. And the clock is ticking. |
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Russia is sending it's fleet to Venezuela, things are getting much clearer now,
Iran, Russia, and Venezuela are allies. If there is a war with Iran and the oil flow is interrupted we may go after Venezuela's oil, and Russians are getting ready to cover their friends. It looks like the chess pieces are moving around the world's chess board |
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Endman: Exactly..Your right on.
Med, as usual thanks for your posts and comments. |
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Thanks Coyote. Everyday you will notice in mainstream media and also on many blog sites there is the "happening" or "happenings" for the day. You, and quite a few users sometimes come up with a "find." This is usually opposite the main stream, and/or will have obscure precise data. MC |
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The Hassan II Mosque in Casablanca is one of two mosques in Morocco open to non-Muslims. Al Qaeda’s Ayman Zawahri blasts Iran, ridicules Hizballah September 8, 2008, 11:45 PM (GMT+02:00) Ayman Zawahri curses Iran in Sept.11 anniversary video Al Qaeda’s No. 2, Ayman Zawahri, accused Iran of cooperating with the Americans in occupying Iraq and Afghanistan and the Shiites for failing to wage a jihad against the Crusader occupier. http://www.debka.com/search.php?type=headline ............................... Photos- http://www.worldisround.com/articles/73022/index.html |
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Look this is all nonsense, even Alcie in Wonderland makes more sense. All we have to do is become energy self sufficient and we are done with this mess.
Let's see, print $50 billion and give it to the auto manufacturers and they can supply electric cars. Next, build solar energy plants all over the american desert and produce all the energy we need. We canpay for it the same way, just print more money. Just run the country on free electricity from the sun and forget the oil producing nations. Think of it, no more polution, wouldn't that be great. Folks, this is not brain surgery or rocket science, it's just plain simple common sense. |
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Rudd foreshadows Pacific defence build-up
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has warned that Australia must prepare for an emerging arms race across the Asia-Pacific region, and has flagged strengthening the Australian Defence Force (ADF) to meet the challenge. www.abc.net.au... Rudd warns of arms race www.theaustralian.news.com.au PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd warns that Australia is facing an arms race build up in our region where the nuclear weapons threat is "as great as ever''. Mr Rudd today revealed the nation faced a strategic build-up and unprecedented military spending by rising powers in "the age of the Pacific". He warned the rapidly changing region had a number of "unresolved flash points". (visit the link for the full news article) |
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http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=177497
Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - current Israeli attack on Lebanon
depends on Iran, Syria TEHRAN (FNA) -- Hezbollah chief
Seyed Hassan Nasrallah said on Monday that any Israeli attack on Lebanon
depended on the Iranian nuclear issue and the Israel-Syria talks.
“I can not say when Israel is going to attack Lebanon, if it is
going to be soon or not. It depends on the region's events and circumstances,”
Nasrallah said in an interview with Iran's state-run television. comment: The West has been gather intelligence and data on site in Iran for over 18 years documenting the development of weapon grade plutonium and specific sites with interior video films and evidence of hundreds of centrifuges in operation. There is absolutely no plausible explanation, and also the ability to bypass inspections and bypass clear evidence of these activities. Here is what you will not find many places after 18 years of denial and 2 years of extreme Nato inspeciton. http://www.metimes.com/International/2008/04/07/proof_of_irans_military_nuclear_program/3739/for readers: http://tinyurl.com/5epryp Despite the very flawed and much publicized
December National Intelligence Estimate report on Iran, the U.N. Security
Council recently passed a third set of sanctions designed to force Iran to halt
its nuclear program. Indeed, except for a few credulous people and some in the
U.S. intelligence community with a political agenda,
most capitals in the world dismissed the NIE findings as bogus.
And now the International Atomic Energy Agency has joined the fray.
Interestingly, analyzing the findings of the NIE back in
December, the French expert and director of the Fondation pour la Recherche
Strategique (Foundation for Strategic Research), Francois Heisbourg, told the
Swiss daily Le Temps, that this report's conclusion could be the result of a
revenge from some in U.S. intelligence against a president who put them in a
tough spot during the Iraqi crisis.
He added very rightly so: "Compared to the NIE report on
Iran, even Mohamed El Baradei [the IAEA's head] looks like a hawk".
Now, while this fact was quite underreported, International
Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) documents actually point to the existence of the
military Iranian nuclear program. On Feb. 25, Olli Heinonen, the Finnish deputy
director general of the IAEA, presented evidence of the existence of this.
Also, the French daily Le Monde got access to documents
proving that Tehran pursued a military nuclear program after 2003, contrary to
what the National Intelligence Estimate stated. The main document is a 2004
letter written by Mahdi Khaniki, one of the IAEA's main interlocutors and former
Iranian ambassador to Syria, to Gholam Reza Aghazadeh, the vice president of the
Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI).
In this letter Mahdi Khaniki pointed out that the IAEA
inspectors demanded to see the contracts for the purchase of spare parts used in
the development of the centrifuges.
He wrote:
"At a meeting held on January 31, 2004 in the presence of Dr.
Rohani [Hassan Rohani, the chief
negotiator of the Iranian nuclear program until the end of 2005], the latter
decided that these contracts should be prepared in accordance to the AEOI's
wishes, so they would be ready to be delivered to the IAEA. It is worth noting
that the representative of the ministry of defense and of assistance to the
armed forces said at the meeting that the contracts were drawn up for a
presentation [to the IAEA]. However, portions of these contracts, which this
writer viewed at the Ministry of Defense, were crossed out with black lines and
the quantities did not appear; therefore, it seems that these contracts will
raise more questions than those which [normally] should be submitted to the
Agency [IAEA]."
Le Monde, citing sources close to an intelligence service,
affirmed that this letter was part of "Project 13" (also known as "Project for
the disappearance of threats"), a project allegedly aimed at deceiving the IAEA
inspectors.
For Iranian experts, quoted by Le Monde, this letter
represents clear evidence of the involvement of the Iranian defense ministry in
the nuclear dossier. This confirms suspicions about the military character of
this program, while attesting of the efforts of the Iranians to conceal it.
Further proof of this came in when in mid-December 2006, U.S.
intelligence services intercepted a conversation, between two unidentified
officials at the Department of Defense in Tehran, reporting differences between
officials of the AEOI and the Ministry of Defense. Indeed, one of the two
interlocutors pointed out that: " Currently, as for the CTBTO [Comprehensive
Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization], I think that the Ministry of Defense must
have the last word, because they [the leaders of the AEOI] know that ultimately
we intend to conduct tests."
In light of these new developments and the increasing
worldwide consensus (from Europe to the Gulf), regarding the threat associated
with the Iranian nuclear program, concerned nations will soon have to make a
decision on a plan of action.
Will the U.N. sanctions be enough? Nothing is less sure.
That's why the ever growing military activity in the region does not bode well
for a peaceful resolution of a thorny issue. (continuing with Iran's denial now....) Iran
vehemently denies the charges and insists that its nuclear program is for
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Just 18% Believe Iran has Stopped Nuclear Weapons
Development Program
Just 18% of American voters believe that Iran has halted its nuclear weapons
program. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 66%
disagree and say Iran has not stopped its nuclear weapons program. Twenty-one
percent (21%) of men believe Iran has stopped the weapons development along with
16% of women. The survey was conducted following release of a government report saying that Iran halted its nuclear weapons development program in 2003. The Rasmussen Reports survey also found that 67% of American voters believe that Iran remains a threat to the national security of the United States. Only 19% disagree while 14% are not sure. Fifty-nine percent (59%) believe that the United States should continue sanctions against Iran. Twenty percent (20%) disagree and 21% are not sure. Forty-seven percent (47%) believe it is Very Likely that Iran will develop nuclear weapons in the future and another 34% believe Iran is Somewhat Likely to do so. Twenty-nine percent (29%) of liberal voters believe that Iran has stopped its weapons program but 54% disagree. Among conservatives, just 8% believe Iran has stopped and 81% disagree. Despite the Iranian government's protestations to the contrary, an earlier survey found that 67% believed that Iran’s nuclear program is intended to develop nuclear weapons rather than nuclear energy. Another survey found that, most voters doubt the United States can count on its European allies when dealing with Iran. Just 1% of Americans view Iran as an ally of the United States. Sixty-two percent (62%) believe that Iran sponsors terrorist activities against the United States. Only 6% disagree and 32% are not sure. See survey questions and toplines. Crosstabs available for Premium Members only. Rasmussen Reports is an electronic publishing firm specializing in the collection, publication, and distribution of public opinion polling information. The Rasmussen Reports ElectionEdge™ Premium Service for Election 2008 offers the most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a Presidential election. Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports, has been an independent pollster for more than a decade MC |
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Ive heard from a reliable source that the US will strike Iran within THREE weeks. In addition was that a nuclear test in Iran today that triggered earthquake measuring 6.1-7.5 on the richter scale?
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so, if someone is fairly alert, it only takes a few hrs for everyman to get the news, cool. Showing more than one...
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Strong quake hits southern Iran near oil port
10 Sep 2008 13:15:32 GMT
Source: Reuters TEHRAN, Sept 10 (Reuters) - A powerful earthquake struck southern Iran on Wednesday near Bandar Abbas, site of a major Iranian oil refinery, killing at least three people and injuring 22, officials said.
The U.S. Geological Service said the quake's magnitude was 6.1 and it struck at 1100 GMT about 53 km (33 miles) west-southwest of Bandar Abbas at a depth of 34.6 miles (55 km).
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From US...
DATE links are into the IRIS WILBER system where you can see seismograms and request datasets.
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NOW BREAKING ON CNN...AP: A magnitude 6.0 earthquake has rocked northern Chile; no immediate reports on deaths or damage.
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An underground nuclear detonation would not produce an earthquake of 6 points.
2001 29 January 2002 01 June 2002 20 May 2003 02 June 2003 10 June 2003 June 2003 16 June 2003 3 July 2003 12 February 2004 08 March 2004 06 May 2004 15 July 2004 22 July 2004 25 July 2004 17 August 2004 20 August 2004 13 September 2004 02 November 2004 December 2004 01 January 2005 23 June 2005 13 August 2005 23 September 2006 7 November 2006 23 December 2006 2006 01 February 2007 CBS News reported on 18 December 2006 that the Bush administration has decided to ramp up the naval presence in the Persian Gulf to send a message to Tehran. CBS reported that an additional aircraft carrier would be added to the Gulf contingent in January 2007, arriving on station around 01 February 2007. The New York Times reported 20 December 2006 that the Bremerton-based aircraft carrier CVN-74 John C. Stennis and its strike group could leave weeks earlier than planned as part of a move to increase the U.S. military presence in and around the Middle East. Moving up the Stennis’ departure date in January 2006 allows a longer overlap with USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, the carrier currently in the Persian Gulf. Eisenhower deployed 01 October 2006, and could remain on station into March 2007. It is difficult for one Carrier Air Wing [CVW] to conduct flight operations for much more than about 12 hours before having to stop. However, with the combined striking power of two CVWs, the Carrier Task Force (CTF) is able to conduct air operations over a continuous 24-hour cycle. If the White House is politically risk averse with reference to striking Iran, striking Iran as early as February 2007 would allow the maximum time betweeenr the strikes and the 2008 Presidential election. 1-11 February 2007 - Ten-Day Dawn On 14 November 2006 President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that two major technological achievements of the government will be made public during the Ten-Day Dawn (February 1-11) of 2007. He said this year's Ten-Day Dawn will the ten-day celebration of Iranian nation for its nuclear and technological achievements. "This year's Ten-Day Dawn period will mark the Iranian nation's success in mastering fuel cycle as well as its achievements in other fields," Ahmadinejad said. He said Iran possesses the “full nuclear fuel cycle and time is completely running in our favor in terms of diplomacy.” Further, “We will commission some 3,000 centrifuges by [the Ten-Day Dawn festivities at the beginning of February].” On 18 Decenber 2006 Government Spokesman Gholam Hossein Elham said that Iran will be announced as an established nuclear state during the 2007 Ten Day Dawn ceremonies. 21 February 2007 21 February 2007 March 2007 On 12 November 2006 Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said Iran intended to install 3,000 uranium enrichment centrifuges by March 2007. Hosseini said Iran was doing all the work to install the centrifuges under control of the UN nuclear watchdog, adding that two cascades of 164 centrifuges were already in operation in the country. The 3,000 uranium enrichment centrifuges would give Iran the capability of producing enough Highly Enriched Uranium for about one atomic bomb annually. Either one of these events might be regarded as a "Red Line" by either Israel and/or the United States. That both would take place nearly simultaneously would seem to significantly raise the probability of strkes against Iran's WMD facilities in this timeframe.
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This is in effect another don't worry, this has been going on for years, there will not be an attack on Iran. This is in total contradiction with this repeating spin that keeps rolling off the Western Media Information flood pump.
September 9, 2008 (obscure data surfaces slowly on the net and can be delayed) So - for the contra point of soothing denials of danger of an attack on Iran - we have this But is it not strange that Ayman al-Zawahiri appeared yesterday attacking Iran for the first time, was it coincidence? And Iran Daily reported the Iranian army - Revolution Guards three days maneuvers in the Gulf in Ramdan is it also coincidence? A Source who would like to stay anonymous told the Egyptian Resistance Voice that the U.S. - Israel would attack the Iranian nuclear facilities within few days. The attack which is also approved by European countries will start from the American - Israeli military bases in Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Bahrain and Palestine.The source expected the attack to be between 10 and 11 September which coincides with several events including such as the attack on the World Trade Center in New York and the Islamic Badr battle. He mentioned that Arab and Islamic countries Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Iraq and Afghanistan are informed in advance about this attack. The website says that Hezbollah is on full alert and Syria along with the Palestinian factions postponed their negotiations with Israel for the same reason. One other thing to add, Egyptian political analyst and strategic expert, Major General Mahmoud Zaher broke his oath of “not to write about politics during Ramadan” and said the following in his article “A Time ruled by the devil’s spirit“:The information made me break my intention [oath] is wrapped in a question says:
In his article Zaher warns Arab leaders and especially Mubarak of Egypt of the consequences of following the American - Israeli plans. comment: This is certainly not a warm fuzzy 9/11 Israel or the U.S. will not attack data source. Look at this - tomorrows news - A satellite image of Iran's uranium enrichment plant in Natanz. (AP)
Comment: let's get our ducks in a row here. Data vs. spin. |
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not clear on the earthquake waterboy but we could use a translation of this I dug up here http://almoqawma1.tripod.com/attacked.htm IMHO - definitely Not trying to rain on anyone's parade or unduly alarm, but there is considerly different data coming from obscure sources in Arabic concerning much more activity and considerable levels of high alert. It is quite obvious the U.S. is NOT going to let Israel do this, even though they are emphatically trying to secure an air corridor, weapons, and everything possible right now to attack Iran. This would set off all that has been discussed on this thread - a Jihad if Israel is the the attacker. Unmentioned in all of this is that Iran and other Arabic countries have their own intelligence sources, agents, cells, and moles in our system. They do not go in alert status unless they have intelligence they are going to be hit. The entire region across the Gulf is on alert. It is very out character for us to be saying "Don't worry Iran, keep those centrifuges spinning, we are not going to hurt you and while you are at it, pump up some more nuclear tech to send to Nigeria from Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea. Medclinician |
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I have no idea what the earth clock is doing blocking the data on the last post
also there is a further link documenting more but it is in arabic http://almoqawma1.tripod.com/attacked.htm There could be informative data if this were translated from Arabic. Medclinician |
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hi Med, I looked at it and don't see a lot that is new... unless you can pick something out. Seems they are formulating what could happen. I can't imagine a (mostly) Christian Nation attacking any country at the time of their religious holiday. But this is what they would do... They have a whole scene played out with NATO and half the Arab world. At least they know the US is serious.
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Did you translate the Arabic? I have a translator but it is monitored by an Arabic site. MC |
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Peres warns Olmert: Attack on Iran could spark wide-scale war
By Haaretz Service Septemeber 7, 2008 President Shimon Peres has warned Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that a military attack on Iranian nuclear facilities is likely to trigger a wide-scale confrontation, A British newspaper reported Sunday. Peres is the first senior politician to warn the prime minister against an Israeli attack on Iran, with other politicians threatening an air attack if Tehran does not abandon uranium enrichment in what the West believes is a quest to develop nuclear weapons. "The military path will not solve the problem," Peres said in an interview with Britain's Sunday Times. "Such an attack can trigger a bigger war." Peres said he prefers the civilian path, adding that he has voiced this sentiment directly to Olmert. However, he declined to reveal what the prime minister had said in response. Peres, a firm believer in international cooperation, added that Israel requires the cooperation of more nations in order to stop Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The danger is not a nuclear Iran, Peres continued, but rather nuclear weapons in the hands of dangerous leaders like the Iranian president. "If Switzerland announces tomorrow that it has nuclear weapons, would anyone worry?" said Peres. "I recently told [Russian Prime Minister Vladimir] Putin that the Marxists say that religion is the opium of the masses. I say religion is the opium of leaders like Ahmadinejad," he added. Peres said a serious attempt to cut the price of oil would help reduce Iran's ambitions to a more realistic level. "The world has no choice - if nuclear weapons reach the hands of terrorists, it will be impossible to rule the world," he said. In the interview, Peres also criticized American foreign policy, saying it relied too heavily on military strength in its attempts to bring democracy to the Middle East. Peres said it would be wiser to use economic strength, saying, "If you suggest elections to the Saudis or to King Abdullah of Jordan they will refuse, as they regard democracy as a new religion and they want to remain Muslims. But if American businessmen offer high-tech companies, they would be most welcome." Medclinician |
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And this is today
Saturday 9/13/08 http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=177225 Iran missiles are a deterrent: IRGC commander QAZVIN (Press TV) -- A senior Islamic Revolution Guards Corps' commander says Iran's new long-range missiles have strengthened the country's defensive force. “The progress that has been made in developing military equipment, weaponry and long-range missiles has added to our ability to prevent an enemy attack,” Deputy Commander of the IRGC Ground Force Nour-Ali Shoushtari said in Iran's central city of Qazvin on Saturday. “Today, the enemy does not dare to attack Iran, as it knows that it will receive fatal blows from Iran if it ventures into such a stupid act,” he added. Shoushtari's comments follow recent remarks by French President Nicolas Sarkozy in favor of a possible Israeli military strike against Iran. We could find one morning that Israel has struck [Iran], Sarkozy said on Thursday, adding that no one would question the illegitimacy of such an act of aggression. In response to threats from Israel and its western allies, Iran has recently carried out several extensive military maneuvers in the Persian Gulf and the Hormuz Strait. The most recent maneuvers, called The Great Prophet III, was conducted in early July. During the military exercises, Iranian forces test-fired nine missiles including the 2,000 km-range Shahab 3, equipped with a one-ton conventional warhead. The Great Prophet III maneuvers followed an earlier secret Israeli war-game in the Mediterranean, which appeared to be a rehearsal for a potential attack on Iran's nuclear sites. comment: this reference to the war-game is vague enough not to reveal any usable information by 'others'. http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8704240784 For the 'but wait a minute people' Yes, the western media and spin have already denied this test ever happened. It has been denied that Iran even has a Shahab 3 missile, it has been denied they have tested one. The reason is because of the range of the missile. It would enable them to successfully attack Israel. If one reviews what has already been shipped to the Hizbollah and used over the border so that 1,200 Israelis had to go into bomb shelters after years of only less than 20 mile hits from across the border, and this technology and weaponary has been shipped and used already by the Hizbollah, this whole event is very controversial and attacked. Well, Albert if you feel this video is 'too hot to put up, or whatever.. please pull the link. This is not American military or our weapons. This is Muslim - and allegedly a video of Great Prophet III which never happened. Also the boat launch of a 'skimmer' missile - a real pain in the whatever in the gulf speaks for itself. It is used to sink air craft carriers and launched from a very small and mobile craft. footage of missile and also 'skimmer missile' launch. Notice the logo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojFwwA0PU64 tiny - http://tinyurl.com/68jxze Iran first fighter jets and air capability http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmvz-9uGj8A&NR=1 tiny - http://tinyurl.com/5eavra Point : We need to continue to monitor the situation in Iran and take the development of missile and air forces seriously. I have posted this post and these links so that if our president makes a statement that some sort of serious military action must take place in the Gulf - there is more involved than bombing centrifuges making plutonium. Although always diplomatic alternatives should be exhausted, there may soon come a time when words are not enough. Medclinician |
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Med I put some posts in Members..Gulf Room...will put new additions there. ....part of the translation is there, didn't want to put a bunch of my talking posts on your thread :)
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Thanks Mary. Will go there, and thanks for taking the time to do that. MC |
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Topic of video... Iran will consider a ...surgical strike ... as War... Iran will react with full scale war...more than 80 places at once would have to be bombed inside Iran. Why is it a nightmare for Iran to have nuclear weapons? Anymore than China, israel or the US? .................................... I'm wondering...Has Russia warned us of what they have.... actually sold to Iran? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43CGnZMVBjM&feature=related Med, why do your above links work in posts and mine do not? |
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Why not give nuclear weapons to rogue states. Because they will use them. Med... good answer I agree , it was meant that those questions were what was being asked by the guy in the video, rather than me. He doesn't seem to know that we fear that ultimately Iran would use Nuk power for harm. He thinks we should fear war with Iran now, rather than later. Fear so powerful as to keep us from acting in our own defense? If Churchill knew yrs in advance that he had the power to stop Hitler flat would he have said, now now we don't want to tangle with the Germans. in fact... Churchill had been among the first to recognize the growing threat of Hitler long before the outset of the Second World War, and his warnings had gone largely unheeded. Although there was an element of British public and political sentiment favouring negotiated peace with a clearly ascendant Germany, among them the Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax, Churchill nonetheless refused to consider an armistice with Hitler's Germany.[129] His use of rhetoric hardened public opinion against a peaceful resolution and prepared the British for a long war.[130] Coining the general term for the upcoming battle, Churchill stated in his "finest hour" speech to the House of Commons on 18 June 1940, "I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin."[131] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill ............................................................. CHURCHILL SPEECH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsKDGM5KTBY |
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Med, my posts are in mat black and my links still do not work?? |
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SEPTEMBER !3, 2008
http://www.unitedjerusalem.com/index2.asp?Curr=139 1) Syrian commandos invade seven N. Lebanese villages outside Tripoli (DEBKAfile) Exclusive Report 09/13/08 10:21 PM (GMT+02:00) 2) Russia lines up with Syria, Iran against America and the West (DEBKAfile) Exclusive Report 09/12/08 10:28 PM (GMT+02:00) 3) Iran diverts UF6 uranium from Isfahan to boost covert military nuclear project (DEBKAfile) Special Report 09/12/08 9:01 PM (GMT+02:00) 4) Israel-Gaza border is again on missile alert (DEBKAfile) Exclusive Report 09/12/08 6:17 PM (GMT+02:00) |
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Iran Digs In, Producing All Terrain War Ants
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5 Ex-State Secretaries urge US-Iran talks
Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:35:39 GMT
Five former US Secretaries of State say the next American administration should hold direct and unconditional talks with Tehran. Article here-
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The problem with Iran continues to escalate and yet is one of the most under covered stories on main stream media. Also preparations for Russian military Peter the Great to join Venezuela in the Caribbean have neither changed or has the efforts of Russia to form an alliance with Bolivia, Cuba and Venezuela.
(Independent Sources) - New York September 16, 2008 Days before Iran's president arrives here for the annual U.N. General Assembly session, his country is ratcheting up its defiance of America and the International Atomic Energy Agency. http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Focus/IaeaIran/index.shtml (link removed) The IAEA is taking Iran to task over its refusal to cooperate with nuclear inspectors and its violation of U.N. Security Council resolutions, but far from being ostracized at the General Assembly, President Ahmadinejad is expected to be fêted by some of the key countries attending the session. IAEA officials told reporters yesterday that they have arrived at an impasse in their efforts to verify Iran's contention that its nuclear program is designed solely for peaceful purposes. Iran responded by heightening its anti-Western rhetoric and conducting air exercises aimed at countering a possible attack on its nuclear installations. Leading members of the Security Council are considering imposing new punitive measures against Iran this month, American officials said yesterday, though in order to reach agreement the measures would likely need to be softened. The political directors of the five permanent members of the council and of Germany are expected to meet Thursday, and the foreign ministers of the group will meet next week on the sidelines of the General Assembly debate. But as they deliberate over how best to respond to the IAEA's latest report, issued yesterday, Western leaders will have to consider the alliances of Mr. Ahmadinejad, who is expected to address the world body next Tuesday and receive a salutary toast later that week from the General Assembly's highest elected official, Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann of Nicaragua, its new president. "It's imperative that they cooperate" or "face the prospect of further sanctions," the American ambassador to the United Nations, Zalmay Khalilzad, said of the IAEA report. But he acknowledged that the increasingly divided Security Council could have additional problems uniting because of Russia's recent conflict with Georgia. Russia has been Iran's staunchest defender in past council deliberations. "Certainly Georgia is there, and I don't want to understate that it's there," Mr. Khalilzad said. "At the same time, Iran's moving forward to acquire nuclear weapons capabilities is an issue that the Russians have indicated is of concern to them, and certainly it's of concern to us." Despite the IAEA report, Mr. Ahmadinejad is expected to be celebrated by some admirers when he arrives in New York for the General Assembly. Mr. d'Escoto, who assumed the one-year assembly presidency yesterday, will address an Iranian-sponsored gathering of "political religious leaders" on September 26 at Manhattan's Grand Hyatt Hotel, at which the Iranian president will be the guest of honor, according to an invitation for the event. Yesterday's report took Iran to task on several outstanding inspection issues, including its experimentation with detonators for nuclear weapons. Iran has denied conducting "experimentation in connection with symmetrical initiation of a hemispherical high explosive charge suitable for an implosion type nuclear device," the agency's outgoing director, Mohamed ElBaradei, writes in the six-page periodical report. But agency inspectors have obtained information that shows that such experiments did take place and, further, that they "may have involved the assistance of foreign expertise," Mr. ElBaradei writes. Sources in Vienna, where the IAEA is based, declined to identify the foreign experts. Iran has not cooperated in clarifying the issue and several other questions, Mr. ElBaradei writes. "Contrary to the decisions of the Security Council, Iran has not suspended its enrichment-related activities," he adds. Iran's foreign minister, Manouchehr Mottaki, requested a meeting yesterday with his German counterpart, Frank-Walter Steinmeier. As a top European power that maintains commercial ties with Iran, Germany was added to the five permanent Security Council members — America, Britain, France, China, and Russia — as part of the group steering policy on Iran. Some diplomats consider Germany to be the "weakest European link" in the group, but after an hour long meeting in Berlin yesterday with Mr. Mottaki, Mr. Steinmeier said he was disappointed with Iran's lack of cooperation. "Our cooperation with the agency ... especially during the last year, has been sincere, serious, and in the framework of the agency's responsibilities," Mr. Mottaki said Sunday in Tehran, according to Iran's Fars news agency. Separately, the Iranian air force yesterday conducted exercises to prepare the country for a possible Israeli or American attack against its nuclear installations, Fars reported. "If Iran is attacked, it will deliver a crushing blow to the enemy," an Iranian air force commander, General Ahmad Miqani, told Fars. "We will surprise the enemy and make them regret they attacked." comment: Iran continues to mobilize its military forces and development of nuclear technology in defiance of NATOs repeated requests, efforts, and negotiations. This information is current and accurate. It is almost non-existent in the mainstream media. |
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