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What can be done to save our pets?

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I have a very small dog and both he and i like going out of doors.  I have purchased sprinkler pipes and the glue for them to make us a covered area by the french doors but could move it to a slider.  Enough plastic to cover the top and net screening all the way down to the patio floor.  I plan on keeping that brick area scrubbed with bleach water to clean up after him (do that anyway) so we will have an outdoor area that will be inexpensive and useable.
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Muskrat, I say eat the fish rather than flushing them (if safe to do so)... and no, I dont think you are a bad person.
 
Fritz, I love the idea about the tarp.
 
I came across something a while ago that was also interesting... here is the link http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1106
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I was thinkin of a dog run in my yard with a TARPE COVER.  tHE FENCING CAN BE THE CHEAP KIND.   i THOUGHT IF i CLEANED IT DAILY WITH A DILUTED BLEACH SOLUTION IN A SPRAY CONTAINER.     i MIGHT PUT A TARPE BOTTON  AS  IT WOULD BE CHEAP AND EASY TO CLEAN.
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why not cover it with the tarpe?
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Cindy, do you have a patio or runway? Something that could be covered completely from the top and wire-screened on the sides. Would give your dog access to outside and protect him and you.
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Get a tent, the biggest you can find (used/new/whatever), pitch it, and cut the floor out of it.... instant outdoor shelter!!! and it allows the pet to have access to the grass/ground. Of course, the grass will die after a while, but at least it should be safer.
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We have 3 German Shorthaired Pointers. We had 4 but our oldest who was also our first we had to put down in October. I trained her for hunting from the time she was a baby. She was our hunting companion and dear friend. Getting rid of the other 3 which we have also trained from puppies after what we went through in October is not an option. The 2, 3 year olds are our 6 year olds pups. These dogs have to run. So run they will. We have a fenced back yard Ĺ Acre. They will run there under supervision. Iím not going to be paranoid about bird droppings on the ground. If  I get that paranoid then I would worry about the mice, spiders, ants, bugs, Etc. that will still get into your house. They could have the virus on there feet. If you get rid of all your catís then there will be a mouse explosion like you have never seen. I plan on keeping my cats inside and putting lotís of mouse traps on the outside. If a cat getís out it is now an outside cat. Our dogís feet will be wiped off with disinfectant when they come in from outside. Our dogs are our children. If  I canít have my children then you might as well just shoot me. This is non negotiable. Period. Dead

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We are going to take care of the dogs the same as we take care of each other.  Between myself and my son's family we have 4 dogs. 2 are pretty old but we think we can get them to go on paper (we have started saving newspapers) if we put some of their waste on newspaper to get them started.  I think we can make that work.  I like the tent idea, though I don't know how to secure the walk to the tent.  I don't want to walk on anything that can't be washed down with bleach.
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While you're thinking about wiping of the puppies feet when they come inside, don't forget to leave your own "outdoor" shoes outside in a protected place.  They think the bird flu that hit the turkey farms in Israel could have come in on farm equipment, or people, right??
 
"According to the officials, the disease apparently came from Sinai via people who visited Egypt and carried the virus back with them on their shoes, clothing or personal effects. At least one such person was then apparently employed by the turkey farms where the virus first erupted - possibly as a supplier of food or equipment, or as a driver who transported the birds to the slaughterhouse - and he transmitted the virus to these birds"
 
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  Smile  The tent idea sounds like a good idea! I do have a deck, but I think it would be hard to put a cover over it.
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Love the tent idea I will be copying it pronto  simple convenient doable
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I have a gecko.  I am hoping to be able to take care of her during a pandemic, but honestly if it gets to be a really bad situation, I'd probably just let her go.  That would be my absolute last resort option though, and I'd only do it if society gets to the point where there is no or very little social order left.
 
I know they can go for a week or two without food, since they store fat in their tails.  The type of gecko I have is a leopard gecko.  They're insectivores and won't eat food unless it's moving.  I normally feed her mealworms.
 
Water is another issue, though.  I will prep for her water as well when TSHTF.   They cannot drink straight tap water because the chlorine makes them sick, so you either have to purify it or get bottled water. 
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We recently launched the
Pet Bird Flu Information Center
 
with full coverage of background information, preparation, prevention and breaking news of bird flu in pets. I think you will find it very helpful.
 
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Hi all, Very nice website gpolson!! I will read it all later. Thank you.
 
I love the idea of the tent!! Great idea! They have these sun tents, not camping tents, where they have a top and minimal sides, if any, then you could put some netting across the sides maybe. The walk to the tented/tarped area is an issue if you have large dogs. I have 2 little ones (chinese crested powder puffs) and 1 big standard poodle. I guess one of us could carry him (not fun....70#s) but I thought we could just pour the bleach disinfecting solution over the walk to get to the area, just before he goes on it. Dunno. I have to really read more of gpolson's sight. I just took a quick glance. Does anybody know how much bleach (bleach to water ratio) to use to make it effective but not harmful to the animals? All I know is that the alcohol gel is drying out my hand like mad!! I can only imagine what bleach will do to my dogs foot pads. OUCH!
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Good website for cat and dog owners
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Wonderful job on compiling all the information Gary, thanks for sharing!

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i like the tent idea and am thinking  of putting one up for myself beside it with a sun roof  that can be put up and down.  cant live without real sunshine daily
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Very informative website. It answered a question I had intended to post here about cat food. Almost everything my cats eat contains poultry. It would be horrible to feed my kitty-girls BF tainted food and then hear about a recall. According to the website "most commercial cat foods are cooked above temperatures required to kill H5N1 virus." Of course I still plan to stock up on kitty food and the sooner I do it the better.

My 4 cats are all indoor-only. They enjoy sitting by the screened back door watching birds flutter around feeders. For now feeding the birds has stopped. My only other immediate concern is caring for one of my two 19-year-olds who has chronic renal failure. I absolutely have to get over my fear of needles- very large needles- and learn to administer the lactated Ringers that she now receives by subcutaneous drip twice a week at the vets' office. Not only do I worry about her picking up a BF infection from other animals, especially when it first appears, but I wonder about the supply of Ringers which is also used to hydrate humans. If there were to be a pandemic I'm sure that the humans would have priority.

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The tent idea is fab! I have an old one I can use and that will solve the doggie problem as far as letting them outside(I have 4) Thanks!
 
AS far as keeping their feet clean, Dog "booties" are easy to make.
I am working on a pair now.  They can be hand or machine sewn depending on your skill level.You can using baby training pants, the kind with terrycloth on the inside and plastic on the outside.  The training pants are waterproof and should last thru multiple sanitizing.
Cut out a circle roughly the size of your dogs foot.
gather up and add elastic around the edges to make a little "bag".   The terrycloth goes on the inside. Make sure you measure the base of your dogs leg right above the foot and deduct a quarter of that size for the length of elastic you need.plan to use the booties for outside and then remove them after they go out. also plan to drop the used booties off in a pan of bleach and water solution to soak.  Dry them out and use them again. Make more than one set for your dog so you can rotate them.
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