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Posted: September 16 2006 at 10:09am |
If the Feds actions with spinach (of pulling it from every grocery store shelf) can be an indication of what their action would be for other food groups that pose a high risk to consumers than we should assume that it would be the same for infected chicken regardless of how safe it might be after cooking. It would still be a health issue through contamination of surfaces and food prep.
Unlike spinach our economy to some extent revolves around chicken. Every resturant serves it, every grocery store sells it, and the ability of other meat choices to fill the market demand would strain the resourceses and price's may raise to unafordable levels. This might be what we see even if BF is unable to mutate to h2h2h2h. Think of the food chain a little and even if BF is not in the air, your pocket book might get it anyway. I would think that we might see this even before h2h2h2h. What do you think.
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I have always taken full responsibility for my choices. I was told years ago by a nurse that salad bars were one of the easiest ways to get e coli, for many reasons. Simple non handwashing by the employee who puts the salad out is one reason.
I have stopped eating chicken, I wrongfully assumed that all chicken we consumed in America was American produced. Since it is not, and I have no way of knowing where it comes from, it is off the diet. At this stage even if all American chicken became American produced with low path being detected in this country it is just not worth it. I know a lot of people who have taken meat out of their diets totally and not suffered from it. The only economy I can see suffering from the removal of chicken is the chicken industry. The restaruants will replace chicken dishes with other meats.
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The whole spinach story is proving to be interesting and I find a few nuggets there for me to think about. Someone in our state became very ill and the newscast was clear to say how serious this is and how this poor woman will need to receive medical treatment for some time to come. All this made me think this happened in the past few days because the story just made the news yesterday. Come to find out, when they showed the interview with her, this happened over TWO WEEKS ago. Granted it took a few days to pin down the illness and the cause, however there are plenty of nnnnnervious spinach eaters wondering if they are incubating now and this is headed their way.
Substitute the word bird-flu for E-coli, and take out the word spinach and put in the word chicken. Hmmmmm.......now add a little twist.......imagine you don't have to eat the spinach, only touch the bag, or the grocery cart, or the w h a t e v e r.
Will I be seeing this on the news two weeks from now???
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I betcha one nervous spinach eater is Popeye the Sailor Man. Poor Olive Oil
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Spinach? What's gone wrong with it? Explain to a poor ignorant Brit please! Beth |
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Hello Beth......Hope things are well in the UK. Yes, I can imagine you're confused with this one. So we Americans, the inventors of everything convenient, commonly purchase salad mixes, lettuce, romaine, and spinach that has been picked, washed, and put in plastic cello bags. Then, after a hard day on the treadmill you grab a bag, shake it into a bowl, and Viola!! instant salad. Well, come to find out, one of the processing plants that makes several brands of bagged spinach, got a hold of some bad product that has E-coli. The current thought is that the growing fields may have been flooded with water that was contaminated with the bacteria. Since the water is sucked up into the plant, even washing the stuff won't remove it, only cooking for about an hour. (Nice tasty spinach now, huh? Well, maybe with a little garlic and vinegar.)
This bagged.....and possibly even fresh spinach.....has now made its' way to about 20 states and there have been many illnesses and sadly, one death.
E-coli sometimes happens naturally on fruits and veggies, however washing usually removes the danger. This is unfortunate because many folks don't wash whats in the bags, but in this case that wouldn't have helped either.
Might be another instance of the old quote that man is the only critter that fouls his own nest.
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There have been very serious outbreaks of E-coli in the past from lettuce.
Not because it was handled dirty in a food place but a particular case
I remember several years ago E-coli was inborn in the lettuce because
it was grown close to contaminated manure. People died. I think this
spinach story will end in similar fashion in that the growing of the
spinach will be the culprit.
I doubt it's something that can be washed off! I gave up lettuce years ago because you don't cook it and can't kill whatever is lurking there. Watch greens that are eaten raw or nearly raw. I also keep one jar of Salsa in reserve all the time. It is said to kill food poisoning and I'll be found eating it, if ever I get something suspect. Good luck to all. |
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Mississipp Mama
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Hi Maysday can you tell me what is in the salsa that helps with food poisoning? How much of it should you take ? Thanks
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Hi Mississipp Mama, I would have to guess. I've always heard this but
have never had to try it. My guess would be the combination of
peppers, onions, garlic and tomatoes. Peppers are said to have a great
deal of healing power. Cayenne pepper is used for pain medicine and much else.
As for as eating it I would just eat all I could. I don't know if it works, but it sure won't hurt to try it. It's one of those things I just do, like keeping a piece of "fat back' (streak 'O lean or salt pork) in the freezer in case one of my dogs gets bitten by a snake. I've always heard the fat will draw the poison and save the dog. Never had to try that either but I replace the small piece of meat about once a year (for 13 years). Good luck. |
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You guys are exactly right about the salad thing. Do know that not only can you get E-Coli from the salad, but, not to scare anyone, you can also get Hepatitis B from the people that prepared the food! It's one reason that I've gone ahead and gotten as many vaccinations as possible.
The spicy food thing is from waaay back in the day they used spices to preserve foods. This is why the places in warmer climes usually have hotter food then places in colder climes. The spices they put all over the food actually keeps it longer. Also it's good for you too!
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I thought this was an "old wives tale" but maybe not. Interesting!!
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Mississipp Mama
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Maysday, thanks for the explanation on the slasa. I have 3 dogs, I will buy some salt pork and keep it in the freezer just in case. Thank you for this tip.
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Maysday, do you think the salt pork will work on humans to, until you can get them to a doctor? Just a thought.
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Mississipp Mama, you are welcome. Makes me feel useful.
I don't know for a fact that these old tips will work but again it won't hurt to try.
I have always heard and have seen people place fat pork on infected wounds or boils to draw the poison out. If I were bitten by a snake the first thing I would do is try to cord it off (but that has to be released every so often.) If you have fat pork it won't hurt to place some over it until you can reach a doctor.
In case of a pet like a dog the idea is to feed it to them.
I do not like snakes and am afraid of the ones I can't see. I grew up hearing stories about how my grandmother died from a snake bite. The story goes that she reached into a hens nest to gather eggs (where she couldn't see) and was bitten by a snake. She was put on a horse-they tried to get her to a doctor but they didn't reach the doctor in time. It's important to remain calm. The fat meat may have a calming effect on the dogs, also.
I think the jolt of that horse worked against her.
Now consider very few people die from snakebite. Most of the time the snake does not release all of the venom.
Apparently not so in her case.
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mm,
there are so many "old wives tales" that actually work. if you step on a nail or get a pretty bad cut, soak the area in kerosene. it will not get infected. kerosene is abundant right now.
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tigger1, I don't know why people refer to this stuff as "Old wives tales." I saw the kerosene poured on an open wound when I was about 6 years old. That won't tell you anything because I'm not telling my age. But my mother had a miss slip and split her leg open with a sling blade wacking weeds. Blood pouring, somebody brought kerosene and poured over her leg. Then it was wrapped. I can't recall any more details so I know it got well.
Good luck to all.
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Maysday, The story of your grandmother made me sad, I see why you are afriad of the snakes you can't see. I'm afriad of the ones I can see, can't see and just plain afriad of them. I enjoyed your post. I will be sure to get some salt pork.
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Hey Tigger, thanks for the info on Keresone and wounds. Does any one know wether there is a book out on all these old wives tales? Where did the name old wives tales come from, does any one know?
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Mississipp Mama, I don't know of a book rather it's just sort of passed down from generation to generation. I read a lot of natural remedies but have never read any of this in written material. I just yesterday told one of my son's one thing I regret is not having taught them more survival stuff. I worry for them because I can't see them adapting to disaster senarios. I said I was going to start compiling "how to's" for my grandchildren. Just being on this forum has helped me recall a lot I had almost forgotten about.
Good luck to all.
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I remember the bad mussels in the eighties . Some people went into a coma from the bacteria , except those who ate it with alcohol rum and scotch . But those who had wine with the dinner instead got really sick.
When I taken a bite of something I think it might of been bad I drink a shot of rum. dont get me wronge I rarely drink and but I have never had food poisening. And yes most food that has bacteria dosent taste bad but sometimes you know it was bad .
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Linda-ann, I wonder it that was because wine has less alcohol? Just
guessing but it most likely would take something strong to kill food poison. It may not have any affect on it and then again it may have been the wine.
I made some grape wine this year-first time ever- and have been told it's so strong it'll knock you down. I figure it will be a good item to trade for coffee if I run out. The older it gets the better! I don't wish to consume it and mess up my store bought medicine but if I ran out of medicine and coffee then I'll be found drinking the wine! However, if I thought I had food poison I'd go with the salsa. Good luck to all. |
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This is a great topic. A couple days ago I disturbed a yellow jacket nest and before I could get in the house I got stung about 20 times - face, neck, ear, arms, legs and back! As I sat in the ER waiting for Prednisone and a painkiller, I couldn't help but muse on the time that's coming when there won't be an ER. Now I'm also thinking about snake bites, spiders, burns, cuts, etc. I was also in the ER a few weeks ago with a badly cut finger that needed stitches. There's so many things to be aware of - we take for granted that there'll always be ambulances and doctors at our fingertips. It's time to brush up on the ways our ancestors handled some of these things.
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I take a shot of cognac, when I get a tickle in my throat, and sweat it out under heavy quilts, what ever is trying to make me sick. some times this works, roxy
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Go to Amazon (or any online or B&M bookstore or the library) and look up Home Remedies and there are hundreds of books out there.....
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me and my friend where laughing about the same thing last saturday. We thought it was a " bad way to end the series."
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Feeding cattle grain to fatten them up may have been the start of this out break. See whole story at nytimes.
http://*********/2006/09/21/opinion/21planck.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin California’s spinach industry is now the financial victim of an outbreak it probably did not cause, and meanwhile, thousands of acres of other produce are still downstream from these lakes of E. coli-ridden cattle manure. So give the spinach growers a break, and direct your attention to the people in our agricultural community who just might be able to solve this deadly problem: the beef and dairy farmers. |
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VSTR: I admire your stand on the chicken. If every U.S. consumer took the same action the problem of imported chicken would be fixed in days.
Better for you, better for economy, better for the farmers and probably better for the chickens. |
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"...I remember the bad mussels in the eighties . Some people went into a coma from the bacteria...."
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I remember that... our Mayor, Ms. Crabb (funny but true) banned all our citizens from eating shellfish back then.
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I have a book of sayings from the 1700's ...ones we use today...
like "big Wig"... i must have one of old wives tales.
They were consedered to be rumors. An old one is... grease on a burn.
we had a plastic surgen tell us... that old wives tale is true after all.
Here are some more...
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Penguin. Thanks for enlightening me about the US spinach! Cheers.
Beth
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"...you can also get Hepatitis B from the people that prepared the food! It's one reason that I've gone ahead and gotten as many vaccinations as possible...." (turboguy)
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no salads from outside....
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