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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

if Trump pulls this off and it is not some sort of scam
I may have to change my tuneApprove

Trump vows 'insurance for everybody' in replacing Obamacare

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vow...021026295.html

I thought the exact same thing, Satori! 

Let's just say that I'm skeptical for now.  The Republicans will not allow an expansion of government into healthcare (which I would support), and the private insurance companies do NOT want to offer insurance to folks like me (I'm full of pre-existing conditions that disqualify me from almost any plan). 

This is a great article discussing feasible alternatives (IF they can get past Paul Ryan):


Congress should replace that approach with a more direct one: Offer Medicaid or Medicare coverage to anybody turned down by private insurance. Or simply create a high-risk insurance pool similar to the ones that states create for problem drivers. This would protect insurance companies against the sick-customer “death spiral” and protect patients against premature death.
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Assuming Trump fails to instigate world war 3,* but does this successfully, I would forgive him everything else and call him the greatest President you ever had over there.**  For a country so rich to have such an awful healthcare system amounts to a national disgrace.  For God's sake America, even Cuba manages a national health service and has a far better life expectancy than you do! 

Most Americans say they are Christians: yet, ask them to pay for the treatment of the sick out of their tax dollars (even though it would extend their own life expectancy and that of their nearest and dearest as well) and nearly half of them start crying about how unfair it is.  Amazing!








* Yet to be shown.
** More to the point, I will admit to being totally wrong about him.
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Technpphobe,one thing about "Christians",at least in this country
their political beliefs almost always override their so called spiritual beliefs
in my entire life I have known only a small number of true followers of Christ
I can count them on one hand

No, We Are Not Going To Get Single Payer Under Donald Trump

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/no...le-payer-under

we have absolutely NO reason to trust Trump on this or anything else
,his track record speaks volumes


"Trump's promises are of the say-anything variety familiar to anyone who paid attention to Trump University:

The ads for his university were classic Donald Trump -- Trump stares into the camera and proclaims:

"We're going to have professors and adjunct professors that are absolutely terrific people, terrific brains, successful. We are going to have the best of the best... and these are people that are handpicked by me."

... [But in] Trump's own deposition [in] December [2015], Trump failed to recognize the name of a single presenter or teacher at his real estate seminars. He also confirmed he had nothing to do with the selection process of instructors who taught at the school's events or mentors for the school's "Gold Elite" programs.

A review of Trump University presenters and so-called real estate experts found many with questionable credentials and inflated resumes. Court documents show background-checks conducted during the hiring process could not determine whether some instructors even graduated high school."
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I'm fortunate to have health coverage through my employer, but I've also been in the position of being uninsured here in the US. It is truly a scary situation to be in, and it galls me that lawmakers who have health insurance get to decide whether their employers (the American public) should have it to.

Fingers crossed that the NHS survives, Techno. Much maligned, but having had experience of both the US and UK systems, I'd take the good old NHS every time. Healthcare belongs in the hands of doctors, not accountants and self serving politicians.


"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
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The NHS still has many problems.  NICE (National Institute of health and Care Excellence) regularily denies funding for life extending drugs such as some of the most experimental chemotherapies.  Our accident and emergency rooms are overcrowded and our hospitals all have a shortage of beds.

But no life saving treatments are withheld, no pain medication is restricted and overall the NHS is amazingly wonderful.  In my family of 4 it has given epilepsy medication and brain surgery to my son, given me two C-sections and a ceramic/titanium hip, saved my husband with surgery for a ruptured AAA and (hopefully - looking good so far) successfully treated and cured stage 4 cancer. 

The government would be lynched (literally!) if they let the NHS fail. It is the one government controlled service that is universally loved.  Generally the people are more afraid of the the government than vice-versa but on this single point the government dare not fail.  
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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

The world leaders respect Trump more than Hillary despite the fact he is not a movie star or especially loved by some of the minority groups.


I think worry is the overwhelming reaction to Trump's election win, Med. I'm not seeing much that equates to respect from most world leaders.

http://secondnexus.com/politics-and-economics/trump-interview-stuns-european-leaders/?utm_content=inf_10_1164_2&tse_id=INF_9f4f1de0dcc111e6a03c354c456e1db2


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"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.
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Scottish Newspaper's TV Guide Brilliantly Nails Trump's Surreal 'Twilight Zone' Inauguration


http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/scottish-newspapers-tv-guide-brilliantly


too funny

count down to January 20th

let the 4 year NIGHTMARE begin

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There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
~ Isaac Asimov
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Aaah! Asimov was my first love!

The problem with all politicians is that they never, ever tell the truth.  Putin will praise Trump and our British leaders refrain from comment.  But, reading between the lines, most of our politicians think him a dangerous idiot and Putin thinks he will make a fine puppet.  I can't speak for any others as I can only tell what their lips are saying.  I would love to hear comments from anyone in their own countries who has a handle on what they mean.
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ASIMOV..... A.C CLARK...... what incredible forsight.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTdWQAKzESA



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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

The NHS still has many problems.  NICE (National Institute of health and Care Excellence) regularily denies funding for life extending drugs such as some of the most experimental chemotherapies.  Our accident and emergency rooms are overcrowded and our hospitals all have a shortage of beds.

But no life saving treatments are withheld, no pain medication is restricted and overall the NHS is amazingly wonderful.  In my family of 4 it has given epilepsy medication and brain surgery to my son, given me two C-sections and a ceramic/titanium hip, saved my husband with surgery for a ruptured AAA and (hopefully - looking good so far) successfully treated and cured stage 4 cancer. 

The government would be lynched (literally!) if they let the NHS fail. It is the one government controlled service that is universally loved.  Generally the people are more afraid of the the government than vice-versa but on this single point the government dare not fail.  

Wonderful stories, Techno!  I myself have epilepsy and underwent brain surgery in 1999, and it was successful!  Blessings to my dear wife, who had the insurance from her employer to pay for this. 

We Yanks desperately need "health insurance for all," and I believe that allowing all of us to have access to Medicare is the way to do it.  Medicare doesn't pay the best to doctors, so those who have better insurance through employment may have access to the better quality specialists, but Medicare would certainly suffice for everyone.  It is a fine program. 

Thank you for sharing!  It is not fun to be chronically ill in America, without insurance, and paying huge bills out of pocket as I have done.  I hope you and your family continue to enjoy good health!  

Be safe and best wishes, Chuck 



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Those of us who want a more complete service can and do opt for private health insurance.  This gives you the more expensive and experimental chemotherapies and a private room.  

It seems to function less well overall though, Chuck.  My friend, who had a private insurance, ended up with an NHS  service after all, as the private system turned out to be far slower in an emergency.  On the NHS there are no conditions not covered and no bar for pre-existing conditions.  There is a shortage of doctors, but those we do have are driven with a calling, instead of being driven by money.  Both drives have their advantages, but I think we win on aggregate.  This probably works out like your medicare.  

In most respects America beats us, hands down!  You fund more research, and pay the researchers better, leading to a "brain drain".  Overall you are far wealthier, and opportunities are more common.  You have a culture and ethos of self-reliance and go-getting we can only envy from this side of the pond.  But, we have the NHS and no death penalty.  Britishers and Americans are very alike in almost every way (if you ignore the facts that we are divided by a common language and the Brits are very lazy by comparison) but I think our power elite have more respect for human life than yours do.  So, I would stay here if the opportunity to emigrate arose, even though  I may never have a beautiful huge american colonial style house, have to suffer bad dentistry and be treated in overcrowded wards.  I only wish you could all join us.

Stay safe and well, my friend.  Maggie.
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Dear Chuck and Co.,  

I do hope that your new President arranges something similar to our National Health Service and does away with the death penalty because there is nothing more ungodly or saccreligious in any of the major religions than killing another human being, after pronouncing judgement upon them and failing to assist those who need help through no fault of their own.  

Now, I have served beside Americans of all races, colors and creeds during the so-called cold war and after 29 years I still miss those "Yanks" and have fond memories of some of the things we got up to.  I have always been a believer in an Anglo-US empire or "Union of the English Speaking Peoples".  The reason I favor English as the language is because of its expressive flexibility above other languages (no disrespect to my German and Spanish friends intended).  

But, having fought off cancer, and having suffered to a degree that was very bit as bad as physical and emotional torture, I have survived thanks to our NHS and some brilliant and dedicated medical nurses, doctors and surgeons, whom were comprised of all nations and creeds, from Muslim, Christian and atheist, African, Asian people and a fair mixture of continentals, I must say: I am deeply saddened that people of my blood, from the 1600s when they went to America, and are probably well "mixed in" now, do not have the health benefits we have here.  

God Bless you America, you have been a great ally and friend, but, as a friend, I advise you to continue to push your new administration for the advancement of your society.  Your people deserve better.

All the best, Bernard.
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Nice to see you back, Bernard Thumbs Up


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I love this site!  Clap

We may never meet, nor share a drink or meal, but we certainly share many great experiences!!  

Maggie, dear, I lived in the UK off and on for a few years, doing environmental work down in Devon.  I quite fell in love with the countryside, pace of life, people, and a few of the local maidens!  

At a party once, I had a chance to speak with a number of fine Brits about their country vs. ours....they were jealous of things they thought that we had, but I brought up the armed violence that is pervasive, lack of social support services and other things, and we had a good chat.  

Mr. Trump will soon be President Trump, let's hope he doesn't screw this up too badly.  I have very low expectations....if anything, the death penalty will be easier to implement, health care harder to get, and employment faltering (assuming he starts a trade war with China).  Stay safe, fingers crossed! 


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Pence recently said that what Trump  REALLY meant when talking about health care
is that he is going to make "insurance affordable for everyone" not that everyone would actually have health insurance much less health care

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We Stand At The Twilight Of The Great Republic

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/we...great-republic

"Here we stand.

Less than 24 hours until the inauguration of a man uniquely unqualified to hold high office in the history of this great nation. A man who, unlike any before him, has fought his way to the Presidency through lies, slander and outright graft. A man who has built himself up as a populist demagogue who is worshipped by his supporters, despite evidence of any wrongdoing.

When in the history of this Republic have we ever willfully elected a man who is unethical at best, and outright criminal at worst? Whose only thought is to defend his image and his ego - despite being played like a well tuned violin by an open adversary? When have we ever elected a man who puts the State of the Union and the security and welfare of the nation second to the perception that he was illegitimately elected?

This will be a sad day for the United States of America - and the death of a great Republic.

The Pre-Presidency of Donald J. Trump has already proven itself to be a travesty of scandal and corruption - with Trump himself acting as a new Boss Tweed - pulling the strings of power by nominating those who have given him, or the Republican Party, obscene sums of money - ranging from former Exxon Mobile CEO Rex Tillerson, with his untold billions from Russian Oil just waiting to be repatriated with the lifting of sanctions, to Betsy DeVos - the fundamentalist Christian "Education" advocate who believes it's God's Will that we have charter schools armed with guns against potential grizzlies (not to mention the $200+ million her and her family have donated to Republican Party members over the years).

We have Price, with his stock purchases that would have landed anybody else in jail. We have Flynn with his secret spewing son. We have professional wrestling in charge of the SBA, anti-environmentalists at the EPA, anti-Labor at... the department of Labor...

The most frightening thing is that the incompetence of the nominees and the incoming president is not what worries me the most: It is the vindictive and pseudo-fascist manner in which Trump conducts himself and apparently plans to govern as well.

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He has insisted that those who voted against him are "illegals" or committing fraud.

He refuses to admit that foreign powers openly interfered in our elections.

He has started to alienate our allies by insisting that they are obsolete, and we will not come to their aid unless, like mercenaries, we are paid.

And far beyond not liking scrutiny - he openly attacks those who criticize him and invites people to openly attack them as well. He invites our enemies to target his political enemies - and even has threatened to jail them.

The Republican Party, for its part, with members in both houses of Congress are either acting like accomplices or beaten spouses. They either are drunk on blind ideological zeal that says that now they are in power - they can do what they please, and mistakenly believe that they can control Trump through their votes - or they are too cowardly to even try to oppose him for fear of being the object of his aggression. Either way - they no longer serve the Republic - but they serve the Tyrant at 1600.

It has already become patently clear that this Congress will be nothing more than a Rubber Stamp on whatever maniacal ideas President Trump has a desire to implement - from requiring visiting dignitaries to stay at a Trump hotel, to creating opportunities for sweetheart deals for his sons. They have had no objection to blatant nepotism in the administration, nor have they raised a single objection to completely transparent control of Trump by the Russian President - Vladimir Putin.

In Short: We have entered the time of an Imperial Presidency, and we are unlikely to come through it unscathed. Do I believe Trump is capable of seizing power beyond 8 years - absolutely. Do I think he will? Undecided. However, the unparalleled grasp on power over all 3 branches of government that he has already begun to exhibit will be far more terrifying for the next Emperor to sit in the American Curule Seat.

I weep for the America I grew up in. Reagan's shining city on the hill. That was an image we all could understand and aspire to. That shining city has become the same festering whore that was Rome. And as in Rome - the Rubicon has been crossed - the patricians in the Senate (and House) have no power over the Imperator that we have elected, but the mob in all its glory - having gorged on the Bread of McDonald's and the Circuses of reality TV and 24 hour news - is a seething mass ready to do the Tyrant's bidding.

Build the wall! Denigrate those who serve us! Hate a Religion that isn't ours! Despise those on the other side of the argument! Punish those who oppose us!

I weep for the Republic we say we defend - and the Constitution we say we believe in.

I weep for a country I can no longer be proud of.

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poor Trump
he gave a party
and hardly anyone showed Cry

this is just downright embarrassing
humiliating even

Trump's crowd size raised eyebrows ... with how small it was

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017...w-small-it-was

Crowd count is in:
Trump 2017: 250,000
Obama 2013: 1,000,000
Obama 2009: 1,800,000#Inauguration

and at the preinaguration concert

Trump 10,000
Obama 400,000

Trump=NOT the PEOPLE'S choice
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and this is who the people
sorry THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE decided is the best man for the job

seriously ?

Whose inauguration is that on Donald Trump's Twitter background?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/20/1622762/-Whose-inauguration-is-that-on-Donald-Trump-s-Twitter-background

can this guy be honest about anything?
ANYTHING ?

I'm beginning to wonder if his name is even Donald Trump

He lies
even on the very day he takes office ?

wow

dark days ahead America
DARK DAYS AHEAD
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The ink was barely wet on the page when Trump's crew started to hack the White House website:


They deleted vast sections discussing climate change, LGBT rights, and disability. 

I'm a disabled climate scientist who has many LGBT friends, so I am quite alarmed.   

The USA is the only country in the world to my knowledge to be led by a person who totally denies the science of climate change.  Even Kim Jong Un in North Korea acknowledges climate change (and blames it on the USA).  

Buckle up, folks, we are in for a rough ride.  I'm expecting China to move against Taiwan when they have sized this guy up.  Their first move will probably be to contact Taiwan and say "If we invade, do you think the USA is really going to defend you?"  Their second move will likely be a challenge such as a blockade of Taiwan's ocean shipping, which would be crippling.  

Hillary had huge flaws, was far from honest, and was not my favorite candidate....however, we have what we have.  America First?  That is an anti-semitic slogan of anti-interventionists from the second world war. 
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