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ParanoidMom
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Posted: October 05 2014 at 8:59am |
Perhaps I'm the only one who has noticed, but in the last 24 hours there seems to be an unusual amount of aggression. In different threads, there has been Mormon bashing, Catholic bashing, general religion bashing, attacks to the right side of the political spectrum and attacks to the left. The moderators have had to chime in more than usual and multiple posts have been edited or deleted.
If I were popping into this site for the first time, I would probably not return. This is an incredibly informative site and it would be a terrible shame to lose people because the personal attacks scare them away. Awhile back, things got like this and I felt compelled to take a break from this site. I came back hoping things had settled down. And they had. But here we go again. I hate to quote an imbecile, but really, "Can't we all just get along?" |
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But the souls of the righteous are in the hand of the Lord
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sleusha
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We need to put aside our differences and work together for a common cause. That's hard to do when people are narrow-minded. Not good to call people imbecile's either. :) just sayin'. :)
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Be the positive change that you want to see. Live it, be it, push for it.
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Germ Nerd
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I agree. Ignorant attacks do nothing but to make ourselves look ignorant. |
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ParanoidMom
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The "imbecile" quote was for Rodney King after everything that had happened. He really came off looking that way when all was said and done. Pretty much all sides used the refference :-).
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But the souls of the righteous are in the hand of the Lord
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jacksdad
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ParanoidMom - thanks for bringing this up.
AFT is as diverse as any forum out there, and everyone needs to understand that and show some respect. We can debate and disagree, but can we please tone down the personal attacks? Encouraging people to prep for a pandemic could save their lives and the lives of their family if the SHTF, and many potential preppers come here to test the water. Scaring them off with bickering and name calling is the last thing we should be doing. |
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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jacksdad
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Not really on topic, but can members please resist the urge to post with their screen name, then log back on as a guest and reply to their own post as someone else. The mods see your ip address. The reason I mention it is that we had it happen over at EbolaInfo and Albert had to step in. Not cool.
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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If someone wants to take legitimate attacks at the artificial thrones that plague this world,
then so be it. This includes all religions and governments. Pick a religion, any religion. Attack and break down the walls. Mankind(male and female) must be free to live in peace, health and happiness without the artificial Priestcraft that sadistically holds them hostage. Pick a party, pick a governing body. From the cities, counties, states, and counties. They are all artificial embodiments of Mafia. Those who service them are known as Mafioso. The only good and legitimate power structure and right of positive movement in any genuine universe, is The Wholly Family. Any and all who come against this structure, have engaged in a very dangerous venture. They can not and they will not win. These monstrosities lost, before they launched their first attack. |
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arirish
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I have a rule I enforce big time in my work place! Leave your politics, religion and music at home! No one cares what you believe and chances are you're not going to change any ones mind! It reduces arguments between employees by 90%!
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Buy more ammo!
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So...your policy is...."Just shut up and be a good little slave!" |
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waterboy
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Astro you really appear to be a mess. Are you ok?
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KiwiMum
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I couldn't agree more! Who cares what anyones religion is, or their politics? It's a non issue on a site dedicated to contagious diseases. Personally I'm getting a bit bored of all the in jokes and back slapping that goes on on here. It's got really out of hand in the last week. I log on to see there are 20 new posts on a thread and it's all rubbish - quick one liners. I feel like I'm sitting in a bar sometimes. I'm all for the odd jokey comment but when the same joke runs on and on and on and on it becomes a bit much.
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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Guilty as charged Kiwi Mum. Mia culpa, Mia culpa, Mia maxima culpa!
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How do you tell if a politician is lying?
His lips or pen are moving. |
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I am wonderful. Ebola has made me very, very happy. Looking forward to more cases. Just think, I have been so depressed, thinking the inhuemans would be condemned to Hell's outhouse forever. Now I recognize that they have been selected to be burnt offerings for the Christ Child....which will cleanse them of all sin. They will then get wings to fly, and they will be honored as Saints. I am beaming with delight! |
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jacksdad
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Not your classiest contribution, Astro. You're trying to get a rise again. Please don't - it serves no purpose and doesn't show you in a good light. You post much better than this. Inappropriate posts will continue to be hidden.
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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Germ Nerdier
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If this is a bar, where's my drink?
*No ice please*
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ParanoidMom
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Excellent rule KiwiMum! There are always certain subjects that tend to set people off. What surprises me the most is why people think they need to share in the first place if it was never brought up.
There is so much info here I'm really saddened to see the thread go completely off topic and when people try to bring it back the off topic stuff becomes more important. Admittedly, there are times when I flat out don't understand what is trying to be said. But I figure that's my own fault, not theirs. It certainly isn't a reason to attack. Hopefully we can all learn from each other without insults and personal remarks. |
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But the souls of the righteous are in the hand of the Lord
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pheasant
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This virus is a very serious matter, and the threat it poses is very high. I believe the emotional outbursts being reflected in some of the posts may be frustration, and unleashed anger, concern and maybe a little fear of the unknown.
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The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself......FDR
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Germ Nerdier
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I believe you are correct.
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Penham
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I agree! I think people are starting to get stressed and scared. We do need to work together to help ourselves and each other. We need to remember WHY we are here. |
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jacksdad
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Well said, Penham.
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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ParanoidMom
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I second that Penham!
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But the souls of the righteous are in the hand of the Lord
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OriginalHappyCamper
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Originally posted by arirish arirish wrote:
I have a rule I enforce big time in my work place! Leave your politics, religion and music at home! No one cares what you believe and chances are you're not going to change any ones mind! It reduces arguments between employees by 90%! Please tell me what conversation you can have without it having political or religious philosophy behind those conversations. Ebola, very nasty disease which is being treated in most of the cases by people that have a religious conviction to help the poor, this is a biblical principle. Your own words are and comments are formed by your political and religious believes. Sodomy is always a good topic to talk about when it comes to children being abused, where do we learn that it is not an acceptable practice, from our religious background, so I guess child abuse is not discussed in your workplace. This web site condemns the lack of response of our political leaders in cases like the Ebola outbreak so it must be that you restrict the conversation in your work place to not including Ebola. Please tell me what conversations you would condone in the work place that does not have a political or religious bases. Sex? That has both on multiple levels as the religious says " go forth and multiply" Political says gay marriage ok, these two diverse thoughts met head on in a discussion as both sides have a different bases for their beliefs. I believe all people have their beliefs (thoughts and opinions} based on their religious beliefs or lack there of. Please look at the tag lines and pictures of the posters on this web site and you will see what I mean. So to ban political and religious comments on this thread or any thread would shut this web site down. |
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ParanoidMom
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Really? So if the subject the best matteress to buy comes up, we need to discuss if it's a right wing mattress or a left? Perhaps the mattress is an overly religious one, or perhaps an atheist?
There is a time and place for all subjects. It seems they get muddled. I personally believe we are all capable of keeping on topic, whatever it may be, without always putting a spin on it just to rehash certain beliefs. |
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But the souls of the righteous are in the hand of the Lord
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jacksdad
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OriginalHappyCamper - this place will always have debates colored by religion and politics. It's the nature of the forum and I don't think anyone wants to stifle that. I just think that most of us would like to see less fighting and name calling associated with either. Don't get me wrong - I've done my fair share of both in the past, but for those not involved it is a huge distraction to see a long drawn out battle ensuing between two or three members who normally get along fine. I think it boils down to a little mutual respect and tolerance.
But then I'm also hoping that the patch of hair on the top of my head will magically stop thinning, and I don't see that happening either |
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"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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nc_girl
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it just takes someone to be the bigger person to walk away from it. ie not get caught up in a flame war. For me, when the other person reduces to name calling, put downs, ugliness, etc... I'm done. I pop in, have my say and pop out and ignore them.
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KiwiMum
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Original Happy Camper, every life experience colours our thoughts and actions, and as a result we are all complex creatures, which is wonderful. Life would be very dull if we were all the same. The point I'd like to make is that it is possible to include religion and politics in virtually every conversation (except perhaps the one about which mattress to buy), but we all need to exercise a bit of personal discipline.
The problem is when one person feels superior over another and feels compelled to point it out. We are all here because we are concerned about contagious diseases and that is our common cause and we should try to remain focussed on that. If the aim of this site is to keep people informed and to offer advice and assistance to the ill informed as well as reassurance to the prepared, then a whole heap of petty infighting and nit picking is the quickest way to scare newbies and seasoned followers away. Religious mud slinging is offensive on any level as we are all entitled to our own opinions and I've never heard of a single conversion happening due to insulting a persons beliefs. Frankly it doesn't matter is I am a Hindu, a satanist or an agnostic, I still know a great deal about running a small holding and I still make damn good butter and I can still share that knowledge with anyone who is interested.
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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ParanoidMom
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Well said KiwiMum
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But the souls of the righteous are in the hand of the Lord
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How do you tell if a politician is lying?
His lips or pen are moving. |
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OriginalHappyCamper
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Kiwimum wrote
"Religious mud slinging is offensive on any level as we are all entitled to our own opinions and I've never heard of a single conversion happening due to insulting a persons beliefs." I do not classify using statements from a religious source or from actions that are recorded in history even though they may be offensive to a person of that persuasion as mudslinging. Example, what Martin Luther taught concerning the Pope and the Catholic church (he was a Catholic Priest himself and a founder of the Protestant movement)is very offensive to Catholics today but it is history and to have a conversation about it is not mudslinging. Although most Lutherans today have not a clue what he taught. I hope my last statement is not considered mudsling, but it is a fact. Those that fail to understand history are doomed to repeat it. |
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KiwiMum
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I mean you no personal offence Original Happy Camper, the point I'm trying to make is one of relevance. Religion is not relevant in a conversation about butter making, but it is in one about the afterlife. On this site we are mainly talking about diseases and preparing to survive them, we are not talking about whether the disease in question is a punishment from God.
I do accept that it is possible to find a quote from the Bible to support almost any claim (and also its counter claim) and I'm sure there is one about butter making, but it's not relevant when talking about the practicalities of making butter. I do hope I have not offended you, as that is not my intention.
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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Unlike a lot of folks you can not offend me unless you resort as most liberals do when they cannot defend their position or are at a lost to refute the facts start with the personal attacks and name calling.
And You KIWIMUM have not done that. |
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That's why we now have an Off Topic forum. That could be an answer to satisfy all... those that wish to come here & be informed but also stop by to say hello or strike up an intelligent conversation or post about EMPs ... etc.... and at the same time satisfy those who want to scroll through Gen Discussion & Latest News & only see posts related to the current threat & not see posts littered with off topic or out of this world discussions. If you don't like that sort of thing only want to come here for the latest up to date news then you can skip the Off Topic forum all together.
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