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    Posted: November 11 2018 at 9:33pm
President Trump's tweet on California wildfires angers firefighters, celebrities
By Amir Vera, CNN
Updated 4 hours ago Nov. 12, 2018
(CNN) - President Donald Trump's tweet blaming "gross mismanagement" for the devastating California wildfires is sparking a backlash from top firefighters' associations, politicians and celebrities.
In a series of tweets Saturday, Trump said the state's deadly wildfires are a result of poor forest management and threatened to cut federal aid.
"There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor," Trump tweeted. "Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!"
He doubled down Sunday in another tweet, again blaming forest management.
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"With proper Forest Management, we can stop the devastation constantly going on in California. Get smart!" Trump tweeted.
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Official: Tweet is 'ill-informed'
Trump's first tweet drew the ire of the leaders of firefighters' organizations, who accused the President of bringing politics into a devastating disaster.
The Camp Fire in Northern California has killed 23 people and burned 108,000 acres. The Woolsey Fire near Los Angeles has killed at least two and has scorched 83,275 acres. The Hill fire in Ventura County has ravaged 4,531 acres.
"His comments are reckless and insulting to the firefighters and people being affected," said Harold Schaitberger, president of the International Association of Fire Fighters.
The president of the California Professional Firefighters said the message is an attack on some of the people fighting the devastating fires.
"The President's message attacking California and threatening to withhold aid to the victims of the cataclysmic fires is ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning to those who are suffering as well as the men and women on the front lines," Brian K. Rice said.
"In my view, this shameful attack on California is an attack on all our courageous men and women on the front lines."
Rice also said Trump's assertion that California's forest management policies are to blame "is dangerously wrong."
"Wildfires are sparked and spread not only in forested areas but in populated areas and open fields fueled by parched vegetation, high winds, low humidity and geography," he said.
'Fires do not respect politics'
State Sen. Henry Stern, a Democrat from Los Angeles, said fires aren't about politics or jurisdictions.
"Fires do not respect politics, though, so I would beg the President to pursue a major disaster declaration and not make this a political incident," Stern said. "We have many parties, many views out here, and it's really not about politics, it is about people."
A number of celebrities also responded to Trump's tweet Saturday.
"This is an absolutely heartless response," singer Katy Perry tweeted. "There aren't even politics involved. Just good American families losing their homes as you tweet, evacuating into shelters."
Actor Leonardo DiCaprio also weighed in, blaming the fires on climate change.
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"The reason these wildfires have worsened is because of climate change and a historic drought," he tweeted. "Helping victims and fire relief efforts in our state should not be a partisan issue."
In between Trump's tweets blaming forest management, he also paid tribute to those affected by the fire.
"More than 4,000 are fighting the Camp and Woolsey Fires in California that have burned over 170,000 acres," Trump tweeted. "Our hearts are with those fighting the fires ... The destruction is catastrophic. God Bless them all."
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Exactly what has Chump ever done to serve the USA ?and the American people....

In any capacity.......

A BIG FAT ZERO.......

HEEL SPURS......!!!!!!!!!

And avoiding TAXES......

THATS IT......



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No climate change here.......fools
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As a solution to the fire problems we should start a campaign to
Make America Rake Again

See BBC report on California wildfires: Finland bemused by Trump raking comment https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46256296

In the 12 years I have lived in this village I have raked my lawn, but nobody has raked the town owned forest that is on three sides of our property.
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Can you believe the garbage that comes out of his mouth.....err NO

We will just have to RAKE over this bad period,in American history.....





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I'm not sure who said it but I saw this quote yesterday - "Trump never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity!"

"It's as if King Lear had a cell phone, but that's unfair to King Lear!
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Originally posted by arirish arirish wrote:

"It's as if King Lear had a cell phone!




HILARIOUS!
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SBS News: Finns troll Trump for suggesting they 'rake and clean' forests to prevent wildfires.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/finns-troll-trump-for-suggesting-they-rake-and-clean-forests-to-prevent-wildfires
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I like the hashtag #Rakenews   

The original statement was on the main TV news here in Finland last night and it was totally unbelievable. I am not surprised many here are making fun of it.
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While Trump once again is using very "inartfull" language. He is ABSOLUTELY correct and I am amazed that they are seen as controversial. Saying he attacked firefighters is disingenuous propaganda. He attacked policy makers not the firefighters.

Regardless of climate change... it has been dryer and hotter in the past and it will be in the future. However the problem of massive damaging fires in California is a relatively new phenomenon. Our ecosystem needs fire.   We have taken to a policy in California to fight every fire with everything we have every single time. Most of the time they are very good at suppressing small fires. HOWEVER once a fire does break through it becomes MUCH worse.

As silly as it may sound herds of grazing animals and controlled burns would GREATLY decrease fire risks.

California can only control its own carbon outputs... even if California was completely carbon free it would only have a negligible impact globally.   However the state can and should manage their forests and open spaces better and this shouldn't even be controversial.
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we have very big fires here ,

getting much worse because of manmade climate change,

we use prescribed burns in winter to burn off the old growth, weeds and old dry grasses,

the underlying factor here i believe is ,over thousands of years the forests

have burnt,this is a natural cycle as it is here ,trees and plants have evolved to use this cycle to propagate.

Man moving enmasse to these areas put out small fires, this leads to a build up of Tinder ,so eventually it builds to a critical mass,

Added to that Now are huge periods of Dry weather caused by manmade climate change ,this is drying out huge areas of land all over the planet,

its not going to get any better..........

until we stop climate change which is not possible with the amount of people on the planet using fossil fuels and causing an irreversible greenhouse Earth,

this is the new future we have bought on ourselves...........
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The Sydney Morning Herald: 'Mind-blowing': Hazards to multiply and accumulate with climate change.
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/mind-blowing-hazards-to-multiply-and-accumulate-with-climate-change-20181119-p50gx7.html
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