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Originally posted by Mary008 Mary008 wrote:

hope you are feeling better Wishbone.  Our first house was in the country and we had wild grapes growing on a small hill in the back yard.  the grapes looked similar to this picture... 

everyone try to drink blue/purple juices.  (  we take vit. D3 )

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I am better this morning, and I am still drinking a quart a day of the wild grape juice. It is a good thing I decided to make a lot of juice. I am also taking Vit D3.
The grapes in my area have a slightly different leaf shape than those in the picture. But the clusters are about the same, very small.
The grapes are very sour and bitter until the sugar is added. It brings out the flavor.
I think they helped me get through the flu symptoms.
I was picking blueberries and raspberries at a local u-pick farm for a month before I came down with the flu.  The blueberries help clear out the cobwebs in the brain. They are anti-inflammatory. The raspberries give me a lot of energy. I have a lot of apricot sauce and juice frozen....from my own tree.
 
Today I have to pick my  pears and wild peaches.  My wild peaches might be medicinal also. I just never took the time to look into them. They are a very small white freestone peach.... about the size of a crab apple or golf ball.  The tree has dark red leaves all summer and fall.
 
I bought 6 domestic purple grape vines, but I also took 12 cuttings of the old wild vine I just discovered. I followed this method:
 
I hope they make it and pop up in the spring. If my domestic grapes succumb to disease and predators, I am thinking the wild ones will be a good back-up.
Berries and grapes are essential to good health.
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Wow, thanks, Wishbone.  A dear friend had taught me this method some years back and I had forgotten how to do it.  This helped me remember.  Tongue
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The sea, lakes. and rivers will offer a great source of wild food in times of need!

More hope and change from Chairman "O"!

Feds to 60 Million American Anglers: We don't need you

IRVINE, Calif. USA – October 5, 2009 – A recently published administration document outlines a structure that could result in closures of sport fishing in salt and freshwater areas across America. The White House created an Inter-agency Oceans Policy Task Force in June and gave them only 90 days to develop a comprehensive federal policy for all U.S. coastal, ocean and Great Lakes waters. Under the guise of ‘protecting’ these areas, the current second phase of the Task Force direction is to develop zoning which may permanently close vast areas of fishing waters nationwide. This is to be completed by December 9, 2009.


http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/articles/feds_to_60_million.html
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Originally posted by mrmouse mrmouse wrote:

  A recently published administration document outlines a structure that could result in closures of sport fishing in salt and freshwater areas across America. The White House created an Inter-agency Oceans Policy Task Force in June and gave them only 90 days to develop a comprehensive federal policy for all U.S. coastal, ocean and Great Lakes waters.
That is sport fishing, not commercial. It does not mention inland lakes, rivers and large ponds?
Native Americans would still have the right to fish all areas?
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which may permanently close vast areas of fishing waters nationwide.
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Is that because of what the boats of private fishermen are infecting various lakes with?  A type of weed or snail/ barnacle?  Trying to remember...
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"It does not mention inland lakes, rivers and large ponds?"

A recently published administration document outlines a structure that could result in closures of sport fishing in salt and freshwater areas across America. The White House created an Inter-agency Oceans Policy Task Force in June and gave them only 90 days to develop a comprehensive federal policy for all U.S. coastal, ocean and Great Lakes waters.

"Is that because of what the boats of private fishermen are infecting various lakes with?  A type of weed or snail/ barnacle?  Trying to remember..."

Mary, the snail/barnacle issue is caused by large sea going vessels pumping out their foreign/non-native ballast water from their port of origin into an other.
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Maybe this...now playing near you.

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hi...mrmouse... there actually is a problem with fresh water lakes being gummed up with some type of weed?  being dragged along with the boats from lake to lake... ok ...found it :)   mussels rather than barnacles...
 
 
 
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    Originally posted by SheepLady SheepLady wrote:

    Hi, Wishbone, got my grapes today.  Going to start soon.  Hope you are doing well.
    I am planting 6  domestic grape vines today. For anyone that wants to add grapes to their garden....here is a good website that has pruning methods:
     
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    Thanks, Wishbone.  We had a heavy frost here on Monday.  The smell of wild grapes was pungent in the air that morning! 
     
    The grapes are still very plentiful.  I made some juice and am going back for more. 
     
    Would be a beautiful day to plant here but we had a monsoon over the weekend and everything is still too wet.  Going to do your method of cuttings, too.
     
    Take care.
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    hi all... I thought this would be enjoyed on our wild food thread.  We like to walk in the woods.  Might hunt around for food :)   (vegetarian type)
     
     
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    Originally posted by SheepLady SheepLady wrote:

    The grapes are still very plentiful.  I made some juice and am going back for more. 
     
      Going to do your method of cuttings, too.
     
    Take care.
     
    I planted the domestic grapes, but am also planting wild grape cuttings and will prune them as they grow. Since the wild ones  are higher in resveratrol, I figure they might be the better grape to grow.
    The wild ones are hardy, healthy, and well adapted to this area. If I lose the domestic grapes to disease, I bet the wild ones will survive.
     
    I don't remove the wild grapes from the stems before I simmer them. The wild grape juice helped me a lot in getting through the flu. I had no muscle pains at all, no headache, and no intestinal upsets. How much of that is due to these grapes, I don't know. I did spike my grape juice with a shot of homemade elderberry extract every 3-4 hours for the first 2 weeks. And I made mullein tea 3-4 times a day. And I ate candied ginger  every few hours.
     
     I am almost back to normal now.
    I still have a slight cough and still tire, but not as much as a few days ago.
    I don't think I'll get a swine flu shot.
     
    My son is being offered a choice of Flumist or the shot. He is a police officer. (USA) What do you think is the better choice? He is 32.
     
    Flu is exploding in schools 90 miles from me, but not in my neighborhood schools. They are not closing near me. I am sure they will be closing soon.
     
    I don't plan on going out for a few weeks, unless absolutly necessary.. I don't want to catch pneumonia or a cold on top of this. And I am getting very tired of my own cooking.
     
    (I will be  planting thornless blackberries and cranberries tomorrow that I purchased from the USDA.
    The cranberries are a tiny little plant that sends out runners in all directions along the ground. Interesting little groundcover. If I get enough berries, I am going to make a mixed berry/grape juice concentrate in the future.)
     
    "Think of how silly all the health fanatics will feel one day ... lying in the hospital ...  dying of nothing"
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    Hi, Wishbone,
     
    I did not take the grapes off the stems, just washed them good and got the leaves and critters out that did not belong.  I had forgotten they were supposed to be simmered instead of boiled but they turned out fine anyway.  The jelly is incredible. 
     
    I would liike to plant Catawba and Concord in honor of the Old North State so will be looking to get some of them.  We have highbush cranberry here, not found any yet.  We have also wild black cherries and am going to make some cough syrup from the bark as well as chokecherry jam.  The birds got my elderberries, will have to try to get them earlier next year. 
     
    (Disclaimer here, for anyone who may consider doing the same that if you intend to do anything like this you take your specimen to a local herbalist who can tell you absolutely without a doubt the plant or berries you might have.  Buckthorn looks a lot like chokecherry but it will give a reaction you will never forget if you mistake the two).
     
    As for the mist or shot, I have a very close relative who is retired police and he will take neither.  We have read the shot and the mist carry the weakened form of the virus and it is possible to spread the virus from the mist to others and also to get the flu from the shot. 
     
    So bascially you are between the devil and proverbial deep blue sea with either.  And then your son will have to obey the rules and regs of his dept...for us civilians, guess it will all boil down to whether we can live with or afford the choice we make and who will pay for the healthcare if there are untoward health consequences of either.  A lot to think about.
     
    We have a lot of flu here.  A family member recently went for a prescription and it was a 2-hour wait at Wally's, unheard of for a small town. 
     
    Glad you are doing so much better, the old ways do work, just they have been forgotten for fancier, costlier alternatives.  People are scrambling to relearn them, and you are helping people by showing them how to grow things. 
     
    Just tonight I saw a man and his dog planting.  They had planted virtually the whole front yard in his development in edible growing things.  I think we are onto something here and interest is certainly growing.  Keep up the good work, you are helping us all learn about the virtues of wild food.
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     food that we have looked right past...
     
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    Very well said, Mary.  Have recently found a recipe for dandelion blossom jelly.  Can't wait till spring to try that.
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    File:A%20Village%20near%20Trilokinath%20temple,%20Lahaul.jpg
     
    A Village near Trilokinath temple,  Lahaul, Himachal Pradesh, India
     
     
     
     
    from SheepLady
    dandelion blossom jelly.  Can't wait till spring to try that.
     
     
    ( SheepLady... would you like to share that? :)
     
     
    I guess they really are all over.... here is a dandelion from India...
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    The recipe or the jelly, lol?
     
    Aren't they lovely?
     
    Here is the recipe I liked the most, from a  real pioneer lady...
     
    http://www.ehow.com/how_4561656_make-dandelion-jelly.html#  There are some others on cooks.com. 
     
    I could really get into the yurt thing in the Himalayas, moving the flocks and herds all the time...maybe in the meantime, I could learn some of their techniques. 
     
    Did you know their yurts even have stoves?
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    Thank you...  :)     I know a gift of it will thrill my dad.      
     
     
    it is beautiful there.... they also have a pretty blue flower...can't think of the name.
     
    Have you seen any youtube videos of anything from the Himalayas/yurts?
     
     
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    I recently noticed that one of the trees in my yard was producing berrys of some kind.
    Red and kinda look like grapes...

    Did a little research and voila...

    http://okeechobee.ifas.ufl.edu/News%20columns/Java%20Plum.htm

    Java plum or Jambolan

    http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/jambolan.html

    Found several recipes for Jam, Jelly, Wine, among others, Next year I plan on a harvest and some experimentation...Wink

    Thanks mary008



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    hi nofluforu... I never heard of it.   I read from the link you gave... great link.
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