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Not that Trump needs to do much.  The North Koreans are making a mess of it all by themselves

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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Not that Trump needs to do much.  The North Koreans are making a mess of it all by themselves



It would appear that we took out that missile with a cyber attack. This has not been denied and it is likely to have succeeded. One of the nastiest bits of work against Iran was sabotaging their nuclear centrifuges.

https://www.wired.com/2010/11/stuxnet-sabotage-centrifuges/

In Jaws "It's no longer safe to go near the water"

Now - "There is no privacy in cyberspace. A modestly talented hacker can even get into some of the most sophisticate defense areas including the accounts of Hillary Clinton and top members of the government.

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The war in the world of the media in in bombs. The reality of stopping nuclear missiles and advanced jets in cyberspace - for they are run by computers.

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posted yesterday -

Things are very serious today -Sunday - Easter - 2017 April 16, 2017.  It is interesting in the past as many of the most powerful countries have been rattling sabers, but the U.S. has a powerful submarine fleet and enough nuclear arms to bury either country. One might remember that Russian had been conducting nuclear alert drill in Moscow.

Are the Russians reading my posts here?  Quite possibly.

April 17, 2017 today -

https://www.rt.com/news/385023-us-allies-north-korea-reaction/https://www.rt.com/news/385023-us-allies-north-korea-reaction/

Allies of the US have joined Washington’s saber-rattling towards Pyongyang as Vice-President Mike Pence said America has run out of “strategic patience” towards North Korea.

The words resonated in Japan and South Korea, both of which share the US’ hardline stance on the North Korean issue. Key US ally in the region, Japan, said it is considering preparations for a flow of refugees and evacuation of Japanese nationals from the Korean Peninsula in case of an escalation.

“The Trump administration has been clear they won't be taking the ‘strategic patience’ and all options are on the table in order to tackle the problem, which is something our country approves,” Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told parliament on Monday.

“We are consistently thinking and preparing for situations where Japanese residents on the Korean Peninsula will need to be protected or evacuated.”

comment: Of course the media comments on most anything, regardless of which media (some more than others) can not be totally trusted. Yet, in some ways this is reminiscent of Lawrence of Arabia sitting down with the Bedouins (devout Muslims)  before their attack on Akaba.

https://www.cliohistory.org/thomas-lawrence/akaba/

"El Lawrence" as the Bedouin called him was one tough guy.

http://www.bedawi.com/Bedouin_Culture_EN.html

He would hold his hand over a burning flame to test his resistance to pain and was a fierce leader to a people who many of the Westerners oblivious to any part of Arabian culture did not understand.

Weakness is a fault. One does not negotiate until one must because the other side is about to win. Only if their is a chance, agreements may be made, but will be ignored.

So, one wonders. What are world leaders thinking as El Trump has got on his horse and is symbolically charging across the desert?

I can tell you.

What will happen? Will this work? And the question is - will it?

It has been said in history and in life, when everything you have tried will not work - it is time to try the unthinkable or at least something not on your list - or on your list of "I never would do that".

The question of course - Russia moved with a sizable display of military and decision into Syria. They asked no one permission or consulted anyone. They just did it. And when they did they took the helm of power in a continued effort to take back  the Baltic states which were lost and establish a Russia which has caught up technologically and has some of the best fighter jets and missile - especially nuclear - in the world.

Leaders - especially generals - must act with precision - but most of all - do some definite for the world to see. Not just sit around a negotiating table with Iran trying to end them developing nuclear weapons. Not going to happen. Same with North Korea. A peaceful solution would be better - but Kim Jong-un is not going to give up his nuclear toys - ever. It would mean giving up power. It would mean a United Korea. What would that mean to the people?

Prosperity - security - a powerful peaceful nation?

Perhaps so. Will Trump order an attack on North Korea? They seem to think so.

looking at  the 8-Ball as the message comes in view...

"Signs point to yes."

Yet, keeping this thought in mind - it is the very idea that he would - whether than he does - which brings us that much closer to peace and for the Chinese to take steps to handle what by honor, they should take care of.  China is also a business - one of the largest in the world - and an alliance with the U.S. and growing trade would help. Why not? Isn't about time we tried something different than demonizing nations versus dealing with them or else ...

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https://www.cnet.com/news/donald-trump-alec-baldwin-tweets-may-lead-to-end-of-world-on-snl/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CNETAsiaStories+%28CNET+Asia+Stories%29#ftag=CAD590a51e

Well in typical Fox News style we see a post of Donald Trump telling Vice-President Pence by Monday (yesterday) he might be out of a job.

Of course in parentheses is (SNL) who probably less than 50% of the readers know what is it is. This turns out to be Saturday Night Live with Alec Baldwin during his "Trump impersonation". SNL has had a party doing Trump to a not-at-sometimes-laughing hoard of the far-left conservatives  most not waiting for the Second-Coming - but a new election after 5 months of denial.

The election is over.  Not for Fox - CNN- Washington Post or New York Times. It is painful for them to report anything positive about the current administration and even if there finally is peace after some hard choices and a huge boom in the U.S. and World Economy - they won't be happy about it.

Why?

Months after I have been posting "The Real News" CWN - now going into years - President Trump continues correctly commenting on the blatant "fake news".

He is right. With boldface lies, sources that really don't exist, most of it is unreadable and the continued drone of anti-Trump versus the "Real News" still is boring.

Protestors demanding see tax returns. A dismal defeat as the supreme court justice , Neil Gorsuch,
was confirmed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/us/politics/neil-gorsuch-supreme-court.html

He may order a military strike on North Korea. They certainly are in place to do it.

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10 of Trump's Biggest Broken Promises from His First 100 Days in Office

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/10-trumps-biggest-broken-promises-form-his-first-100-days-office

and Trump has other problems
the March jobs report shows less than 100K jobs created
previous months showed over 200K each month
but I guess he has another of his famous "secret plans" to deal with that !!!

if anyone needs any more evidence of Trump's FAILURES
just let me know
the list is ENDLESS


RESIST !!!
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The retail apocalypse is creating a 'slow-rolling crisis' that is rippling through the US economy


http://www.businessinsider.com/retail-job-losses-are-hurting-the-economy-2017-4


coal mining jobs-buh bye and not coming back

manufacturing jobs-buh bye and not coming back

and now service worker type jobs disappearing by the tens of thousands


calling Donald

calling Mr Donald Trump

please pick up the white courtesy phone


hmm

no answer

must be at Mar a Lago  playing golf AGAIN LOL

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the TRUMP ECONOMY

Factory Output Tumbles In March - This Has Never Happened Outside Of Recession

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-18/factory-output-tumbles-march-has-never-happened-outside-recession


the first month Trump was in office

the economy created over 200K jobs

Trump IMMEDIATELY claimed credit for that

is he gonna take RESPONSIBILITY for this ?


he had better get busy

the deck chairs on the Titanic need rearranging BADLOL


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whoopsie !!!


http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/18/1654087/-Wrong-Way-Trump-manages-to-misplace-an-entire-carrier-group-while-playing-tough-guy

GPS must be on the fritz?
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LOL  Oh God!!!  Please save us from the stupid politicians.  -  All of them.

Hubby just asked: "Couldn't we get Bush (junior) to give him a geography lesson?"

To which I reply:  "Don't give any politicians any clues.  Next up Dim-Pong-Ill will be nicking his enemy's rocket engineers.  Thankfully there are no more Verner Von Brauns to help the N Koreans out."  Evil Smile
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Once more, there is a lot to be said for having a new person and a new approach to the world situation. 8 years of bad foreign policy, constant lies coming from the White House and no final justice for any on it. No one went to jail for lying to the American people over and over and even caught at it multiple times.

Obama receive the Pinocchio award for perhaps more falsehoods than any other president in U.S. History.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01/19/washington-post-catalogues-the-biggest-lies-obama-ever-told/


The Washington Post marked the end of the Obama administration with a list Thursday that likely didn’t please the outgoing president’s supporters.

For the last five years, the Post has made its political Fact Checker a staple of the publication. Ranked by “Pinocchios,” contenders receive one Pinocchio for a little lie and can earn up to four Pinocchios for the most outrageous of fibs.

Though the Post ran its trademark Fact Checker during President Barack Obama’s first campaign, it wasn’t until 2011 that it became a fixture there, so admittedly the publication missed some blatant dishonesty.

But the newspaper has fact-checked more than 250 statements made by the current president. On his last full day in office, the Post published a catalogue of Obama’s 10 biggest lies.

comment: Ironically this is the same Washington Post that despises Trump or at least publishes a constant barrage of slammer news stories about him.

Yet bring out the Pinocchio meter and let's see...

Included on the list, unsurprisingly, was Obama’s statement to the American public while rallying for Congress to pass his signature health-care legislation, Obamacare: “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it.”

“If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it”
This memorable promise by Obama backfired on him in 2013 when the Affordable Care Act went into effect and at least 2 million Americans started receiving cancellation notices. As we explained, part of the reason for so many cancellations is because of an unusually early (March 23, 2010) cutoff date for grandfathering plans — and because of tight regulations written by the administration. So the uproar could be pinned directly on the administration’s own actions.

Another whopper was Obama’s claim that all but 10 percent of the federal deficit was due to former President George W. Bush’s policies. Pushing back against criticisms of running up the deficit at an unparalleled rate with stimulus packages and bailouts, Obama made this claim during his 2012 campaign.

“90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush’s policies”
During the 2012 campaign, Obama repeatedly reminded voters that he became president during a grim economic crisis. But he went too far when he claimed that only 10 percent of the federal deficit was due to his own policies. About half of the deficit stemmed from the recession and forecasting errors, but a large chunk (44 percent in 2011) were the result of Obama’s actions. At another point, Obama also falsely suggested that the Bush tax cuts led to the Great Recession.

And throughout Obama’s two terms in office, he has been quick to dismiss clear acts of terrorism — using phrases like “workplace violence” or blaming a YouTube video for an attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya. The Post also included his categorization of the Benghazi attack as “an act of terror” and his reference to ISIS as a “JV team.”

“The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism”
Obama did refer to an “act of terror” in the immediate aftermath of the 2012 Benghazi attacks, but in vague terms, wrapped in a patriotic fervor. He never affirmatively stated that the American ambassador died because of an “act of terror.” Then, over a period of two weeks, given three opportunities in interviews to affirmatively agree that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack, the president obfuscated or ducked the question. So this was a case of taking revisionist history too far for political reasons.

“I didn’t call the Islamic State a ‘JV’ team”
In 2014, Obama repeated a claim, crafted by the White House communications team, that he was not “specifically” referring to the Islamic State terror group when he dismissed the militants who had taken over Fallujah as a “JV squad.” But The Fact Checker obtained the previously unreleased transcript of the president’s interview with the New Yorker, and it’s clear that’s who the president was referencing.

But the Post did leave out some key falsehoods recited by Obama over the years. Here are a few:

“Over the past eight years, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed an attack on our homeland that was directed from overseas.”

Playing a semantics game, Obama misrepresented the fact that there have been many terrorist attacks carried out on American soil by those with ties to foreign terrorist organizations. In fact, in the case of the 2009 Fort Hood shooting in Killeen, Texas, Major Nidal Hasan murdered 14 people on the military base while shouting “allahu akbar” and was shown to be in direct contact with Al Qaeda terrorist leader Anwar al-Awlaki prior to the attack.

ISIS themselves also claimed responsibility for a 2015 attack in Garland, Texas, when two men were taken down by police officers after they shot up a community center hosting a Muhammad cartoon contest.

Over the last eight years, there were even more terrorist-related attacks in the country, including the San Bernardino attack, Boston Marathon attack, and a 2009 Little Rock, Arkansas, attack when Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad shot two soldiers at a military recruiting station. Muhammad also had ties to al-Qaeda.


“Let me say this as plainly as I can: by Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end.”

Obama claimed that combat operations would be finished by 2010 and later took credit for ending U.S. combat in Iraq. But his own former Defense Secretary Robert Gates disputed that in 2016, the White House did a “disservice” to troops by engaging in word games.

“I think that it is incredibly unfortunate not to speak openly about what’s going on,” Gates told MSNBC. “American troops are in action, they are being killed, they are in combat. And these semantic backflips to avoid using the term combat is a disservice to those who are out there putting their lives on the line.”


“We have not had a major scandal in my administration.”

Obama sidestepped the comprehensive list of scandals that plagued his tenure as president. These scandals include but are not limited to: the Operation Fast and Furious gun walking scandal, the IRS scandal involving IRS workers intentionally targeting Tea Party organizations, and his own Secretary of State Hillary Clinton using a private email server.

comment: Moving along to the action being taken by Trump versus a disastrous Obama 8 years, we have a press that has basically been color-blind in reverse. It is as sure as if Hillary had been male - none of her nonsense would have been tolerated, if Obama was a WASP (white Anglo Saxon Protestant) he would have never made it to the primaries. The charisma was based on race, not ability and like a woman in love with a unfaithful boyfriend and abused, much of America kept making excuses because they wanted a Black president in office.

The Midwest middle class and the northern industrial states are fed up with special programs and schools by race versus ability.

We are Americans.  Despite gender, race, or religion we should be treated equally. No bar should be lowered in education which is destroying the quality and level of our teachers and students.

It is time end the payback for the sins of our fathers back 5 generations and realize slavery is over and equal opportunity is still the best its been in history.

While the disabled and mentally and physically challenged should be taken care of and helped to find jobs, most of America should go back to work and become part of the infrastructure that is being so drained.

No one should be persecuted, but when we are more interested in finding bathrooms for transsexuals and giving more power to gays and LGBT than our national defense or economy - there is a real problem in America.

It is time to stop worrying about color being a factor in electing our leaders and having to do a count as in movies and advertising so as to appeal to particular races in ads.

We are Americans. Yet, we cannot isolate ourselves from the world and their problems become ours as the poor response to terrorist threats since 9-11 have weakened our military and the world view of the credibility and strength of America.

We do need to take some national pride in our own nation versus bringing national pride in foreign nations when people now live here. We do not need haters of America in the U.S. and they should be screened out during legal immigration.

So - it was time for a change. I believe we should not discriminate against anyone, on the other hand, we should stop trying to increase the power of any racial group or religion. People should be free to worship as they please and this freedom should be extended to schools to pray or not pray as they choose.

8 years of lies and ineffective government. A health plan that was a disaster and none dared to tell the Emperor he was naked. 

Trump is impulsive and while Captain Kirk in Star Trek was idolized for the ability to make quick decision and win many a battle, we can look at Pence as a Spock - who is down to earth and more focused and perhaps much more active than vice-presidents in the past.

In my lead up post coming - irony of irony - Trump may bring peace to the Korean Peninsula. People are getting together and ready to take action against a rogue Kim Jong-un who is likely to order a nuclear strike on Seoul. We are still in a state of high alert. The problem is not over.

With prosperity in America and people working, busy, and the family on the rise verses all the life styles of single mom's deserted by husbands, things could get better.

Sometime carrying a big stick is necessary. The world was laughing at the U.S. Much of them thought America was weak and confused and had no idea what they were doing.  It nearly destroyed our country.

We were the victim of surveys which were blatant lies cooked up by the media. Surveys which told us Hillary was a lot more popular than she was and tried to fix the election ahead of time.

Billions were sent to support terrorists in Iran. No effective change was made in Iran's rush to send troops all over the Middle East and develop nuclear weapons.

Trump could set off a war. We have avoided war since North Korea and now it has come back to haunt us. Yet, it must be resolved. Sometimes your enemy must at least believe you are willing to do the unthinkable, and act in a way he cannot deal with and has not predicted. That is called be a good leader and especially a good general. That is what wins battles versus indecision which ends in dismal defeat.

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let me distill it out for you

governments LIE

ALL governments

Republicans LIE
Democrats LIE

anyone who has studied any history at all knows this

Trump is carrying on in this "fine tradition"
he's NO different than the rest
his first 90 days have PROVEN this

he's just the Republican version of the "hopey,changey ,dopey" thingy

to Trump supporters
good luck with all that "seed money" you've sent to those TV evangelists
and let us know when you have your ocean front lot just outside of Tucson paid for
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Back in CWN and GIM and Independent media versus the near garbage we are fed on the mainstream. It has not improved. They have not learned any lessons and still are pandering to the extreme left and creating news and getting the view volume for their advertising.

The paper tigers of conspiracy theories when our real enemies are those who take advantage of a system and do not give anything back to America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_tiger


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Trump is not stupid.  He is in fact very bright, perhaps not all that well educated, but extremely clever nonetheless.  His manipulative rise to power proves that.

However the office of president requires more than just brains.  It also requires: stamina, restraint and the hide of a rhinoceros - an armor wearing one at that.

He has the stamina...............
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Why do I feel a Swastika should be on the wall over Kim Jong-un in this film. We have come a long way since Hitler talked peace and invaded Poland. Now this one is talking war, could blow up Seoul and may not care in most of the people he governs dies. This is called reality break. It is psychosis and it is dangerous.

A lot of extender non-benders demonstrating the length of their big sticks. Ever since I mentioned saber waving we now have an upraised sword to the sky - am I missing an innuendo here? 

I still don't think anyone has a real grasp here of the effect of a 1 megaton bomb on a major city except maybe those in military who have done the math and know how bad it it will be.

The flights near Alaska aren't for show. They are drills and tests in case they decide to attack. People still do not get the concept - you cannot unbomb a city with nuclear weapon.

For those who missed this - we are closer to a nuclear war than we have been since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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Summing up the current situation. Are we on the verge of World War 3?

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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

Once more, there is a lot to be said for having a new person and a new approach to the world situation. 8 years of bad foreign policy, constant lies coming from the White House and no final justice for any on it. No one went to jail for lying to the American people over and over and even caught at it multiple times.


All true.  However, I did enjoy how Obama deployed Predator drones armed with Hellfire missiles with regularity.  He did blow up a lot of bad guys real good!  
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The media is off on a tangent again and misreporting the news. It is amazing to watch them twist, bend, and mutilate the truth.

One thing that was missed in today rant about the fact the Carl Vinson  was heading towards Australia and not North Korea is the fact there is no confirming evidence this is true.

There is no way for them to know what subs are headed for North Korea which are the backbone of our nuclear launch capability. They can park offshore and in 12 minutes wipe out Pyongyang which is the capital of North Korea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyongyang

North Korea is developing over a hundred missiles within the next 3 years and may now have the capability to put a nuclear warhead on several and wipe out Seoul, South Korea.

Also, hasn't it been stated - we are not going to tell our enemies exactly what we are doing? There are going to take the media and give them information that will be dangerous to our national security about troop or ship movements.

If I were Trump - and that is a scary thought - I would let the media run with the attacks and reroute the ship - if not already for North Korea. Logically - why in the world would it be going to Australia?

Also

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-sending-two-warships-to-japan-to-counter-north-korea/

TOKYO - U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel delivered a two-pronged warning to Asia Pacific nations Sunday, announcing that the U.S. will send two additional ballistic missile destroyers to Japan to counter the North Korean threat, and saying China must better respect its neighbors.

In unusually forceful remarks about China, Hagel drew a direct line between Russia's takeover of Ukraine's Crimea region and the ongoing territorial disputes between China, Japan and others over remote islands in the East China Sea.

This is not Trump. It is our U.S. Defense Secretary and I doubt he lied about this. Is Fox, CNN, and the rest of mainstream oblivious to the truth?

They need a new wicker-man to burn in public effigy on their eternal effort to get Trump impeached and put Hillary or even Obama back in. Those who think that the old-guard from the last administration is not still calling the shots in many way to huge group in the private sector are wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wicker_Man

What still continues is a relentless witch-hunt to somehow find yet another sensational story to undo the good being done in a world stage in terms of  drama and a chanting crowd watching Trump in wiker-man of their building burn to death.

The reality is it is unlikely that the South Korean president said or meant "We cannot trust America anymore".

American troops, massive military, and the deployment of the THAAD anti-missile system is the only thing that have kept over 1.5 million ground troops from wiping out South Korea.

Get it together mainstream.

“Our deployment has been extended 30 days to provide a persistent presence in the waters off the Korean Peninsula,” Rear Adm. Jim Kilby, commander of Carrier Strike Group One, said in a message posted on the Carl Vinson’s Facebook page and addressed to “families and loved ones” of the personnel on board.

comment: They are headed for North Korea. 

The two additional ships would bring the total to seven U.S. ballistic missile defense warships in Japan, and it continues U.S. efforts to increase its focus on the Asia Pacific.

comment: considering the fire-power of these ships which is enough to level Pyongyang - Kim Jong-un despite his birthday U.S. film nuking the U.S. fun, has a problem.

The ships serve as both defensive and offensive weapons. They carry sophisticated systems that can track missile launches, and their SM-3 missiles can zero in on and take out short- to medium-range missiles that might be fired at U.S. or allied nations. They can also carry Tomahawk cruise missiles, which can be launched from sea and hit high-value targets or enemy weapons systems from afar, without risking pilots or aircraft.

comment: The reality is the real threat is underwater and has nothing to do with missiles launched from land bases.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/12/north-korea-submarine-threat-is-another-worry.html

A nuclear attack threat from a North Korean submarine is one of the nightmare scenarios facing Japan and South Korea.

The chilling thought of North Korea's fully submersible submarines firing a nuclear ballistic missile isn't as far-fetched as some might think. Pyongyang has made major advances in weapons in recent years and shown a willingness to use its submarines for offensive military actions.

Indeed, last month was the seventh anniversary of the sinking of South Korea's Cheonan navy ship by a North Korean submarine torpedo attack. That aggression killed 46 sailors and wasn't the first time the reclusive North had made incursions into South Korean waters.

The submarine threat adds to growing fears in the region as North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's nuclear weapons ambitions show no signs of slowing. It also comes as a U.S. carrier strike force led by the USS Carl Vinson sailed toward the Korean Peninsula.

comment: So while we still move to a possible world war set off in North Korea as Kim Jong-un launches a missile from a sub - get out the popcorn - the far left have gathered around the Fox and CNN webpages on their smart phones to chant "Trump told a lie" - "Trump told a lie"and hope to watch him burn him once again in the mainstream media.

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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

The media is off on a tangent again and misreporting the news. It is amazing to watch them twist, bend, and mutilate the truth.

One thing that was missed in today rant about the fact the Carl Vinson  was heading towards Australia and not North Korea is the fact there is no confirming evidence this is true.


Erm...




Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

Logically - why in the world would it be going to Australia?


The Carl Vinson was scheduled to take part in annual joint US-Chinese-Australian exercises. General Mattis initially announced at a press conference on April 11th that it wouldn't be taking part as planned, but the Pentagon has since corrected him, saying the ship's planned port visit to Fremantle, Australia, was canceled - not the exercise with Australia's navy. Whether that changes again is anyone's guess, because nobody seems to be talking to each other. The only thing I see twisting and bending is the administration as it tries to dig itself out of a public relations blunder of potentially epic proportions.

The problem with Trump announcing an armada is on it's way without mentioning the fact that it's taking the scenic route (the Navy's picture dated April 15th passing south through Indonesia's Sundra Strait puts it 3300 miles from the Korean Peninsular to the north) is that it makes his threats look somewhat empty. The South Korean media are already dubbing it the "Carl Vinson Lie", and questioning Trump's ability to handle the situation.

The other thing is whether you're going to categorize his actions as strong and forceful, or covert and calculated. You can't announce a carrier group is going to sit off the North Korean coast as a signal to Pyongyang, then say it's prudent to keep it's presence and location under wraps. A secret finger in the air doesn't work - it has to be one or the other. This is just another example of an administration with no idea how to handle a complex and dangerous world. Real estate deals (even the bad ones Trump is known for) don't prepare you for the world stage.

Med - if you decide you're not going to believe any media outlet but your own, it leaves your list of sources pretty thin.

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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

The media is off on a tangent again and misreporting the news. It is amazing to watch them twist, bend, and mutilate the truth.

One thing that was missed in today rant about the fact the Carl Vinson  was heading towards Australia and not North Korea is the fact there is no confirming evidence this is true.


Erm...


Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

Logically - why in the world would it be going to Australia?


The Carl Vinson was scheduled to take part in annual joint US-Chinese-Australian exercises. General Mattis initially announced at a press conference on April 11th that it wouldn't be taking part as planned, but the Pentagon has since corrected him, saying the ship's planned port visit to Fremantle, Australia, was canceled - not the exercise with Australia's navy. Whether that changes again is anyone's guess, because nobody seems to be talking to each other. The only thing I see twisting and bending is the administration as it tries to dig itself out of a public relations blunder of potentially epic proportions.

The problem with Trump announcing an armada is on it's way without mentioning the fact that it's taking the scenic route (the Navy's picture dated April 15th passing south through Indonesia's Sundra Strait puts it 3300 miles from the Korean Peninsular to the north) is that it makes his threats look somewhat empty. The South Korean media are already dubbing it the "Carl Vinson Lie", and questioning Trump's ability to handle the situation.

The other thing is whether you're going to categorize his actions as strong and forceful, or covert and calculated. You can't announce a carrier group is going to sit off the North Korean coast as a signal to Pyongyang, then say it's prudent to keep it's presence and location under wraps. A secret finger in the air doesn't work - it has to be one or the other. This is just another example of an administration with no idea how to handle a complex and dangerous world. Real estate deals (even the bad ones Trump is known for) don't prepare you for the world stage.

Med - if you decide you're not going to believe any media outlet but your own, it leaves your list of sources pretty thin.

http://www.navy.mil/view_image.asp?id=235255





In my earlier post the info was from a user who is in the fleet on Facebook as their ship heads towards North Korea. The media I choose not to believe many times is CNN, FOX, Washington Post, and New York Times.
I am drawing from a vast store of millions of independent media sources including posts from people either at the scene or near it. I have been doing this for ten years - during the Pandemic talking to New Yorkers when the CDC was reporting 20,000 cases of flu and there were more than 500,000 - 1,000,000. It has been a consistent pattern of the mainstream - i.e. during the Ebola outbreak when they were denying the problem and I posted independent videos from inside of Africa with a reporter going into a village and talking to the dying people.

Mainstream is far more focused on fun with Trump than national security or national defense. As was stated multiple times - giving the precise location of any ship would be a breach of national security.

The mainstream is in a constant mode of playing "gotcha" and I also have reports of Russian and Chinese spy planes and other vessels following the Carl Vinson.

Let me update you -

The real news - this looks an Armada to me - forget CNN and FOX - welcome to the real world.

Medclinician

The independent news video - thank you Dahboo7
as you said "What you are not seeing in this picture is what is underwater- the subs and what is in the air - out of sight."

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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

I am drawing from a vast store of millions of independent media sources including posts from people either at the scene or near it.


So are the rest of us, including Jacksdad, Med.  The internet is open to all.  

What makes "fake news" is that, on said internet, anything can be posted without credentials, censor or censure.  Mainstream  Media, on the other hand, whilst it does have independent agendas, needs some credibility for its sources.  Generally many of those sources are "at hand" for the unfolding news.  

Not all mainstream news is accurate.  Not much internet news is accurate.  You need more incredulity here, not less.
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