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DJ-Four articles;

https://southfront.org/impact-and-effects-of-april-30-strikes-against-syria-winds-of-war-blowing-strong/ DJ-Israel did attack Iran in Syria several times, Russia is in talks with both Iran and Syria (at Sochi april 28) to avoid further escalation. 

Three more critical on the Russian role; Russia is dealing with the US as if the US would be a partner in fighting terrorism when the terrorists are a US-proxy. 

DJ-The last article; not only the EU also "leading military" should do everything they can to stop further escalation. Several US military have claimed Assad did win the Syria-war, the Iran-deal may be the best the US can get eventhough it is far from perfect. 

Netanyahu came with an old http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/05/netanyahoos-iran-files-were-old-and-purloined-from-vienna.html story. Netanyahu should be in prison for corruption-in stead https://southfront.org/israels-parliament-grants-netanyahu-declare-war-with-only-defense-ministers-approval/. The US seems to be encouraging Israel to attack Iran in Syria. 

DJ-I do not think Iran will attack Israel in a direct way soon. Iran's goal is control in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon-and the war(s) there are far from over. Israel in Gaza is showing the world "a grim face". This war is also very much a war on public opinion. 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-01/us-officials-israel-preparing-war-iran-seeking-us-support While Russia is concentrating on its goals it is the US that may not have clear goals. Like in a box-fight Russia is accepting beatings because it will exhaust and damage the US. 
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-04/what-may-2018-has-store-its-difficult-understate-looming-dangers DJ-After NApoleon, the NAzi's now NATO is preparing for a war against Russia to "liberate the oil, gas, uranium etc".


The US is not only the main cause for the "Syria Civil War" http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/05/yemen-massacres-and-assassinations-trigger-a-new-phase-of-war.html The US and UK are organizing the Yemen-genocide. 
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/05/media-use-disinformation-to-accuse-russia-of-spreading-such-.html Since western media are owned by companies that make profit out of war the main-stream-media are "not a good bases for information". 


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-04/un-secretary-general-says-scrapping-iran-deal-could-lead-world-war-iii DJ-I can not help but getting very cynical-May always was a good month to start a war-NATO seems to be planning to do so.
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Some good reading:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-05/us-military-effectiveness-and-diplomacy-fade-many-countries-start-ignoring North and South Korea, India-China, Astana peace proces on Syria (with Turkey-Iran-Russia) (DJ Minsk deal Ukraine with EU)-in global diplomacy if you want results keep the US out-if you want war(s) involve the US. 

http://thesaker.is/military-and-non-military-escalation-into-nuclear-war/ The US military is a way in wich a few get an extreme lot of tax-dollars, the tax-payer gets "sub-standard defense" (and a lot of words, promisses and other blagh-blagh):

As you know the level of corruption in the DoD is quite large. But what does that really mean? Most think of current and former generals consulting in some way for big business and steering procurements but not much else. The implications of the corruption go much further. If most or all of the the top echelons are corrupt and expect to continue this as private consultants once they leave the military they’ll need to have successors who will let them. While still on active duty they need to make sure their colleagues and subordinates won’t rat them out either. So it is in their interest to ensure promotions of the corrupt(able) and stall the careers of the more conscientious. The same applies at lower levels of the hierarchy. It’s unavoidable. The armed forces are therefor filled with officers who owe their careers not to their military competencies but to either their corruptibility or to being too stupid to notice.

It goes further. When corruption is so incorporated into an organization it becomes dysfunctional. Which means it still functions, just not how it is supposed to. It will malfunction unexpectedly and unpredictably. And often. It will regularly fail to meet even minimum standards of performance. Severe underperformance will be standard. Trying to ascertain the cause of specific failures will be illusive and ‘fuzzy’. Fixes don’t work and no-one tends to be held accountable. This also applies to the corporations on the other side of the corruption. Their organizations are likely to be dysfunctional too in varying degrees. If you doubt it, how about the development issues of these: the F35, the Zumwalt, the LCS, the FCS, the Ford, etc.? They are not surprising if you understand the deeper effects of widespread systemic corruption on organizations.

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The US main stream media is full of politicians, both Democrats and Republicans, accusing Russia of an ‘attack on the USA’ either because of alleged interference in the elections or unproven cyberattacks. While these are mainly for domestic consumption they also call for retaliatory measures such as more and more severe sanctions. Given the power of words and how hard it can be to take back earlier rhetoric that’s scary stuff. I can actually see the idiots in Washington talk themselves into a corner they can’t or won’t get out off and cross that line.

With regards to military escalation into nuclear war we have people like Mattis and Dunford to run interference no matter what their motivation is. When it comes to non-military acts of aggression against Russia (or China, Iran or North Korea) who do we have? Nikki Haley? John Bolton? Mike Pompeo? So yeah, I do worry a bit about getting into a nuclear war through non-military escalation.

R.Lesnoix is a concerned citizen who grew up during the Cold War under the constant fear of nuclear weapons. He is dismayed with the direction the western democracies are going in.

DJ-The essence is that the US is spending crazy amounts of US$ on the military-getting in the hands/backpockets of "advisors", "consultants" etc. In any major conflict the US may have to go nuclear because the army, navy, airforce is not able to confront Russia, Iran, China. 

Another point in the article-non-military action; tradewars, sanctions, can do a lot of damage. Cyberwars are even worse-it is not that hard to put a cyberattack in the wrong shoes (Israel starts a cyber attack on the US and claim they can prove Iran did it.) Non-military action (like all of the US out of electricity due to a cyberattack) could start a nuclear war...

http://theduran.com/us-gov-sets-the-ridiculously-high-new-defense-bill-why-so-much/">http://theduran.com/us-gov-sets-the-ridiculously-high-new-defense-bill-why-so-much/

(DJ-an anti tank rocket made by Russia is 5% of what the lesser quality US made rocket costs-the US may be spending extreme but when it is show-down find themselves empty handed. Eisenhowers warning for the Military-Industrial-Complex are now reality. Of course major companies always have had major influence in politics. When you look at the history of "fighting for oil" it is clear oil companies rule the globe.)


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http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/2492-trump-pence-cancel-jerusalem-trip-for-u-s-embassy-opening-very-ominous-words-from-israeli-leaders and http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/2491-president-trump-to-announce-decision-on-iran-nuclear-deal-2-00-pm-tuesday are of course related. 

DJ-Several scenario's:

-1 US-Saudi Arabia-Israel (USI) are already preparing military action against Iran-first in Syria, maybe also against Iran itself. Most likely after may 14-70years State of Israel
-2 USI want regime change in Iran (and Syria etc.)-US will get out of the Iran-deal-but no further coherent plans
-3 Under very strong international pressure-especialy also from the EU/UK (!!!!) US will continu Iran-deal.
Further break-up of USI-coalition.

DJ-Netanyahu and Putin have a lot of contacts. For Israel any major war without full US support is unthinkable. The april-14 (failed) strikes on Syria could push Israel closer to Russia for guarantees on safety. After hizbollah victory in Lebanon a war with Iran would be a war with Syria, Lebanon, Hezbollah (possibly Turkey even). 

DJ-Preparations for war does not mean there will be a major conflict. Many in Israel, Iran, Russia and other Middle East countries do not want (another) war. Maybe-very optimistic-Russia could start diplomacy between Israel and Iran ? (There have been indirect contacts april 28 in Sochi-Russia could be working on that. ) Also the EU, Germany, France, UK-Iran-deal-partners, do want to continu the Iran-deal. 
There can be a bases for-even peace-further talks even without the US in an Iran-deal. (Just like the US did leave the Paris-climate deal as a step in negotiations). 

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What is the point of a (North)Korea deal when the US is getting out of the Iran-deal ? Is there any point in involving the US in any further talks when "their words are like the wind"? The US getting out of the Iran-deal will do most damage to the US. 

Both Israel and South Korea can not survive a major conflict with their neighbours. The US does not seem able to use diplomacy. Russia seems capable to end conflicts. 

DJ-http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/05/black-cube-first-denies-than-obfuscates-its-spying-on-iran-deal-negotiators-.html There seems to be no US plan on what to do after dumping the Iran-deal. That is not a bases for the international community to work with. (At least the US should have a plan for new talks-not new wars....)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-08/pompeo-informed-europeans-trumps-iran-deal-withdrawal and https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-08/heres-what-trump-may-say-200pm-today or even https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-08/wti-tumbles-cnn-report-trump-wont-withdraw-iran-deal



There is now widespread rumor-mongering and Scuttlebutt in the halls of governments worldwide, that Trump plans to say the Iran nuclear deal is cancelled because Israeli evidence shows Iran LIED throughout the entire process.  Trump is expected to say "A deal based on deliberate lies cannot be an actual deal."

The rumors are that once Trump makes this announcement, a bombing campaign of terrible magnitude will begin by the US, UK and France, targeting all Iranian assets (both regular army troops and proxies) throughout Syria.  The rumors further say the bombing campaign will not cease until ALL Iranian assets are either destroyed or dead.

It is not known what role Russia and its advanced fighters, bombers and anti-aircraft defenses will play in any such action.  If Russia sits by and does nothing, they will look like fools or weaklings.  If Russia steps-up and defends Syria, it means war immediately.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-08/iran-revolutionary-guard-says-tehran-not-afraid-us-military-attack-prepared-worst

DJ-When the US gets out of the Iran-deal there is no point for a "Korea-deal"

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/2497-kim-jung-un-meeting-xi-jinping-in-northern-china-again, http://theduran.com/assessing-chances-of-peace-in-the-korean-peninsula/



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Hal Turner is up-dating at http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/2498-bulletin-us-uk-france-deploying-fighter-jets-and-bombers-around-syria
DJ-He is reporting B52's from Diego Garcia (Indian Ocean)-HT thinks they move towards Syria (DJ-I think they might go for Iran)



Will update when there is more news.......

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http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/05/trump-ends-the-nuclear-deal-with-iran-whats-next.html DJ-Proberbly much to optimistic-US putting sanctions on (a.o.) EU companies working with Iran.

Reality: 

UPDATE 3:30 PM EDT --

Israel Launching Fighter Jets toward southern Lebanon

 CONFIRMED: MULTIPLE WAVES OF ISRAELI FIGHTER JETS NOW IN THE AIR - SOME INSIDE LEBANON!

PENTAGON SEES INDICATIONS IRAN PREPARING TO STRIKE ISRAEL.

 

UPDATE 3:37 PM EDT -- Jerusalem Post Issues EMERGENCY STATEMENT:

IDF has concrete warnings of a pending attack upon all Israeli settlements in the occupied Golan Heights.  Iran assets allegedly to WIPE OUT all Israeli settlements in that occupied area of Syria.

 

 *** BULLETIN ***

3:42 PM EDT --

UNCONFIRMED reports of Israeli air strikes in progress around Damascus, Syria.  UNCONFIRMED.

 https://www.i24news.tv/en/tv/live reporting bombing Damascus....

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UPDATE 3:45 PM EDT --

Israel has begun a LIMITED "Emergency Call-up" of troops for mobilization to the northern border with Lebanon, and to the Syrian Border.  NOT a full mobilization.

 U.S. PENTAGON BRIEFING RIGHT NOW:

A) "IRAN SEEMS ON THE VERGE OF A LARGE SCALE ATTACK AGAINST ISRAEL."

B) "SURVEILLANCE SEEING MAJOR MOVEMENTS OF IRANIAN TROOPS AND EQUIPMENT IN SYRIA."

 

*** BULLETIN *** MISSILE LAUNCH ***

3:50 PM EDT --

Syrian air defenses are engaging Israeli missiles launched from aircraft located over Lebanon.  Hostilities have commenced.

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab">https://twitter.com/IntelCrab

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https://www.rt.com/news/426206-iran-us-nuclear-regime-change/

DJ-Even "Israel Today" described Netanyahu's presentation of Iran's nuclear programm as "old news" still the US is using it to get out of the Iran-deal. 


Last night did see very much Israeli Air Force activity over Syria, Lebanon AND Jordan (unusual). It ended when Russian Air Force moved over Lebanon (unusual) towards Israel (proberbly also al kind of communication between Russian an Israeli military via the latakia-Tel Aviv hot line). Next unusual thing was air defense activity over Lebanon. 

Israel claimed Iran was preparing missile strikes against Israel from Syria. The US seems to be agreeing on that. I do not believe a word from it-the Russian-Iraq-Iran-Syrian alliance has as a priority to deal with Syria first.

Putin invited Netanyahu for the Victory-Day parade in Moscow-to demonstrate Russian military power. Netanyahu demonstrated Israeli military power just before his visit to Putin. 

DJ-Kim-NK did meet Xi in China, Netanyahu meeting Putin today. My impression is that by getting out many deals the US is weakening its international position. When every deal with the US has to be re-negotiated with a new US administration international diplomacy can not function. 

The US "allies" are already in prison for corruption (Park-South Korea) or facing it, Abe-Japan, Netanyahu-Israel, MbS-Saudi Arabia. On the long term the US needs to offer something better than weapons for criminal rulers in oil-states. 

Iran is a vital part for China's New Silk Road, https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-08/short-war-china-now-controls-south-china-sea. After the US ending the Iran-deal France, Germany, UK find themselves working with the Iran-deal with Russia and China-and Iran. 


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DJ-Allthough http://theduran.com/trumps-speech-validates-giulianis-iranian-regime-change-statements/ http://www.voltairenet.org/article201027.html Russia is (very much) against an Israel-Iran war. Therefore https://www.debka.com/mivzak/netanyahu-guest-of-honor-at-russian-victory-march/ .

Maybe as a reminder-during World War 2 The Russian Army had a Jewish brigade-some regard that brigade as the bases of the Israeli Defense Force IDF. http://www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/about/combat-resistance/jewish-soldiers.html#narrative_info

http://www.voltairenet.org/article201051.html Background-Russia did beat Germany before Pearl Harbour. From Russian perspective the US entered World War 2 to prevent Russia running over Europe. (DJ-Some historians claim the nazi's were a western invention against the Soviet Union-since Germany did send Lenin to Russia in 1917 to end the two-front war-thereby starting the Bolsjevik-revolution/Soviet Union, murder of the Tsar. A western elite losing investments in Russian oil and railways. Hitler worked for French/UK intelligence under German veterans after World War 1, the NSDAP-nazi party did get support from many western sponsors. Hitler was very welcome against communism.)

Yemen


It is with regret and concern that we, the Leaders of France, Germany and the United Kingdom take note of President Trump’s decision to withdraw the United States of America from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

Together, we emphasise our continuing commitment to the JCPoA. This agreement remains important for our shared security. We recall that the JCPoA was unanimously endorsed by the UN Security Council in resolution 2231. This resolution remains the binding international legal framework for the resolution of the dispute about the Iranian nuclear programme. We urge all sides to remain committed to its full implementation and to act in a spirit of responsibility.


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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

From Russian perspective the US entered World War 2 to prevent Russia running over Europe.


Probably not, but I'll bet it was one of the pertinent considerations. 

If you doubt that it was considered, what do you think happened in Operation Paperclip?  May I also point out that Britain gave America unlimited access to our scientists and scientific research, with a view to creating better weapons, such as the atomic bomb.  No scientific access was ever granted in return: just a bill for services rendered and an attempt to stop us developing the bomb for ourselves.

For what it is worth, I am glad that America lent its might to the fight.  Russia would probably have won the war for us, but the resultant world politics are preferable with America having a large controlling stake.
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Techno, I do believe in a "balance of powers"-maybe some sort of "cold war"-not getting to warm/hot-may be the best we can wish for in this inperfect world. 

(By the way-it is always good to look at history. Finland, East Poland were part of Russia till 1917/18. Borders do change in history. )

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DJ-Netanyahu claims Iran is preparing a war against Israel in Syria. Last night military action stopped Iran-missile attack. Further action is needed. If Russia stops Israel in Syria Israel will attack also Russian positions. Putin is having a very urgent meeting with his military. (DJ-I expect Russia to ask Israel for some time. Russia may be willing to limit Iran in Syria-to avoid an Israel-Iran war-wich Syria , Lebanon also do not want. Israel can not start a major conflict without US help. A war against Iran in Syria on the other hand is a very major risk for Israel. Netanyahu will not think once, twice but a lot of times before he will start a major confrontation-to keep up the pressure-test airdefenses-(and as provocation to get US help) he may go for smaller actions against limited Iranian targets and giving some info to the Russians in Syria. Russia/Soviet Union was the first country to recognize Israel in 1948-the US did so in 1949. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel In the early stages Israel was "more or less "socialist" with good relations to the-then-Eastern Block Countries.)


DJ-Both the US decission on the Iran-deal as Russian, Chinese (and EU) foreign policy push away from the US-petro-dollar-towards petro-yuan, ruble and Euro. 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-09/morning-after-how-world-reacted-trumps-withdrawal-iran-nuclear-deal DJ-Some claim Trump is renegotiating the Iran-deal in his way. But that gamble may go wrong. Saudi Arabia is all to keen in picking up oil-markets Iran would have to drop due to sanctions. Countries like Indonesia, Pakistan may not "be happy" (again) with US decissions.
Will Boeing still be able to sell its planes to Iran ? 

http://www.atimes.com/article/the-art-of-breaking-a-deal// (DJ-https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-09/trump-says-pompeo-returning-north-korea-three-hostages is good news-but what is the point of making any kind of deal with the US when the US is not serious in any deals....)

Updates on: 

There will be further military action....just how bad it will be is not yet very clear. (Iran itself may be a target https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordow_Fuel_Enrichment_Plant, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_facilities_in_Iran )
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I agree wholeheartedly!

Sadly, currently, the "Leader of the Free World" is unballanced IMHP: so no hope there.
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https://www.debka.com/mivzak/after-talks-with-putin-netanyahu-believes-israels-freedom-to-act-syria-is-safe/ DJ-Russia and Iran have different (even religious) goals in Syria. Russia want to protect Syrian orthodox christians-of course also oil and strategic interests. Iran want to protect shia-muslims-increase influence as well. Russia, Iran, Turkey agree on supporting the fight against Syria getting split up in several parts (Kurdish, wahabi etc.)


http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/2503-breaking-news-missiles-launched-from-israeli-jets-into-syria Unclear military activity involving Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan....Russian Air Force active (again) to stop Israel from attacks. Will get updated....everything is possible from almost no action to the start of a global conflict...

Techno-Trump did promis two things; pulling the US out of Middle East conflicts AND supporting Israel, end the Iran-deal. Those two do not mix very well. The EU could play a major role in getting control on the US-maybe the EU should start acting like grown-ups...(and stop the US from starting a very major conflict).
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Techno-how ? Good question !Smile! The last thing the US wants is to loose "control" over an EU making their own foreign policy. ("We" as EU should get less dependent on "foreign" energy from both Russia AND the Middle East. "Our"EU-interests do not always coincide with US interests.)

Hal Turner is reporting fierce fighting between Syria and Israel after Israeli attacks. CNN did give it a short mention claiming Iran attacked Israel. RAF taking off from Cyprus ? Israel also targetting Russia in Syria.



https://twitter.com/IntelCrab Almost daybreak in Syria-fighting decreases for the moment. Unclear what Russia is doing. Defending Iran/Syria or staying out of a confrontation with Israel. No further reports (yet) of western involvement.


DJ-The picture I am getting is that Israel attacked pro-Assad forces-now claim they themselves were attacked. "The west" (US, others ???-jumping in to join the fight. Ultimate goal is regime change in Syria (and Iran, Russia etc. "We(st) want to rule the world.")

This is a very bad development (defcon 4-global, centcom defcon 3)

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http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/2503-bulletin-israeli-tanks-open-fire-on-syrian-arab-army-directly-see-bottom-updates-syrians-returning-fire-active-combat-in-progress
Hal Turner claiming at least two Russians killed in Syria, several Israeli planes shot down-after Israel (or its proxy) attacked SAA-positions in Syria. (Israeli version"we are innocent", "Iran did it" etc. Israel is working from the Golan Heights-Syrian territory they occupy since 1967-six day war. East of those Golan Heights several "rebels" get aid from both Israel and Jordan. Western media will follow Israeli propaganda.)



DJ-Up till a few hours ago I had the hope "Israel only was putting pressure" (to have Putin getting Iran away from Israel borders). Now I am not that optimistic any longer.
-Israel wants air control over Syria-even when that means attacking air defenses from the Russians in Syria
-Israel want Iran out of Syria
-So far it looks like Israel is the only country attacking Syria, counterattacks were limited to Golan Heights
-Israel did use a lot of air-power missiles/planes-Russian air defense showed limited action ?

Most likely the "west" will follow the Israeli claim-Iran attacked Israel. The "west" will get involved.
US/Israeli goal may be a total end of the Iran-deal also by the EU, decrease Iran/Russia influence in region.

Other developments:
-Possible (US ?) strikes against Iran nuclear facilities (partly run by Russia)
-Iran/Saudi "incidents" (of course "Iran agression" while Saudi Arabia is supporting IS, military intervened in Bahrain, fighting a dirty war (with US/UK weapons) in Yemen)
-Hezbollah may decide to start a war from Lebanon against Israel

On may 10 1940 Germany attacked Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, France-78 years later another major conflict is exploding.....


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DJ-There is a lot of propaganda from all sides after the fighting may 9/10. 

https://www.debka.com/constant-flow-of-iranian-missiles-replenishes-arms-destroyed-by-israel-including-new-fateh-313/ DJ-When Iran brings in new missiles from Iran after Israel destroyed the same kind of missiles in Syria-there will be more Israeli military action. Proberbly also in Iran (?)

US supporting Israel (eventhough Israel did attack targets in Syria for over a 100 times-an Iranian pointing a finger at the Golan Heights is "Iranian agression" in western media.)


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DJ-When Syria did shoot down Israeli planes and missiles this may effect further "action"-according to some reports 1973-Yom Kipour War did see such military action the last time. This is very major.

Israeli Cabinet in Emergency Meeting DECLARATION OF WAR "LIKELY"

Syrian Army 4th Division Base struck by multiple Israeli missiles.

Israel says they are primarily striking at IRANIAN targets inside Syria but are engaging all "hostiles."

UNCONFIRMED -- UNCONFIRMED reports Syrians may have shot down an Israeli war plane.  UNCONFIRMED

SEVERAL "DIVISION 4" POSITIONS DESTROYED TONIGHT.  DIVISION 4 NEAR DAMASCUS IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST OF THE SYRIAN ARAB ARMY.

 RUSSIAN JETS TAKEOFF FROM HMEYMIM AIR FORCE BASE TO CONFRONT ISRAELI JETS OVER LEBANON!

Electricity completely out in all of Damascus.  Population fleeing in panic.

 

Wave after Wave of Israeli missiles seem to be overwhelming Syrian defenses.  Several Syrian Air Defense sites destroyed and several others now with destroyed RADAR.

 

UPDATE 1:02 AM EDT --

SECOND REPORT OF "MULTIPLE" ISRAELI WAR PLANES SHOT DOWN -- AT LEAST TWO ACCORDING TO REPORTS.

 

 Hezbollah in Lebanon says it is deciding whether or not to attack Israel from Lebanon.

 

UPDATE 1:10 AM EDT THURSDAY 10 MAY 2018 --

Israeli military briefing says 35+ sites inside Syria attacked including Iranian sites and Syrian anti-aircraft batteries.  "We warned the Syrian Army to stay out of this."


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