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http://www.atimes.com/article/how-brics-plus-clashes-with-the-us-economic-war-on-iran//?cn-reloaded=1

DJ-Israel does not want a war with Iran, it wants some control over Iran. A war with Iran would be the end of Israel. Netanyahu may be good friends with Trump, he has a "special friendship" with Putin. (With almost monthly personal contacts, visit, phone). 

Iran is part of many Russian, Chinese inititatives, main oil supplier for China, India, main buyer of Russian weapons-no way they will give the US any room for military actions against Iran (without very serious consequences). 

Saudi Arabia may be foolish enough to start a conflict with Iran-and hope for US support. But even the KSA will think twice when they want to do deals with Russia and China. 

Further US pressure on Iran will push Pakistan, Turkey-even the EU-away from the US, speed up the Eur-Asian market-integration. The latest BRICS-meeting in Johannesburg- South Africa indicates that Russia and China, India are loking for a global market-with a very limited role for the US (and $).

DJ-In Syria the South-West is now getting under Assad control, Israel seems to accept that-proberbly under Russian pressure/deals. The North West "Turkish" zone most likely will see some limited military action. But Turkey-Russia-Iran are partners. The "Kurdish"-US-sector in the East is seeing talks between Kurdish groups and Assad. Still it is a question wether the US is willing to accept it is losing ground in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan (Turkey, Pakistan). 

NATO is divided on the Iran-deal, refugee crises, Syria/Kurds, military spending and energy. Climate change is effecting the globe-with disasters and foodcrises. Most likely several countries may break up in the coming years-military to deal with that kind of crises can be usefull, another insane war is another crime.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-02/ten-bombshell-revelations-seymour-hershs-new-autobiography

Good article on "how media/politics" "work". Official "history" has not much to do with history, most propaganda-lies.
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DJ-Several sources claim that the US, UK and France (DJ-I have my doubts on France, Macron did visit the soccer-finals in Moscow-France seems to be going its own way) are preparing for a further intervention in Syria.

The excuse for this agression would be another false claim of the pro-Assad forces using chemical weapons against "moderate rebels".

On the background is a growing confrontation between the US and Russia and Iran. The UK may join the US to distract the UK public from the Brexit-chaos.

What is "new" is that Turkey-still a NATO-member-seems to be lining up with Russia and Iran. https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/25-august-cavusoglu-says-that-idlibbased-militants-are-a.

Germany, Austria, Italy do need Russian energy. The EU is moving away from the US. "We" do not want another refugeecrisis.

Also Pakistan does see China as its closest partner-certainly not the US. Pakistan and Iran have good relations. India is a major investor in Iran-to avoid doing bussiness with Pakistan.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-24/massive-russian-chinese-joint-war-games-will-feature-nuclear-exercises and https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-24/thermonuclear-detonations-over-60-largest-us-cities-fema-heightens-nuclear-response

DJ-The background of economic war-with a battle of currencies os one of many fronts-and the US$ losing its position-is "very bad news".

Russia, Iran (and others ????) have to consider a US (and UK ???) attack on Syria-in this stage-as a declaration of war against them. The US has nothing to gain by such an action-would fasten its downfall-but could drag the whole world with it.

A worst-case scenario would see a "first massive strike"-could bring global devastation at high speed. World War Three could last a few hours-in such a scenario. But could kill us all.
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(Maybe the two earlier post can get approval ?)

Korea;

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/trump-cancels-pompeo-trip-to-nkorea-no-progress-on-denuclearization/
(see also http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2018/08/25/0401000000AEN20180825000800320.html NK hosting international block-chain-technology conference oct 1)

Syria;

https://www.debka.com/three-russian-warships-steaming-to-syria-for-idlib-operation-hizballah-opts-out/
(DJ-The Israeli position is interesting-now "rebels" on the Golan-border are gone Israel may be interested in good relations with Russia AND good relations with the US. Debka may be incorrect on Hezbollah stop fighting in Syria https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/25-august-alakhbar-lebanese-newspaper-reported-that-syrian

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/25-august-russian-threats-to-delegitimize-the-presence-of and https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/25-august-russian-defense-ministry-confirmed-information
(DJ-Turkey is interested in keeping influence in the region-at present the best way to do so is to "drop the rebels they once supported" and seek Russian/Iran support for solutions on the "Kurdish problem" (permanent Turkish bases in Syria/Iraq to control border area).

Yemen;

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/08/25/572185/Yemen-Saudi-Arabia-video-United-States-aerial-refueling

Russia;

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-24/thank-god-happening-russia-says-time-has-come-ditch-dollar

China-US;

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1116921.shtml:
It is obvious the two-day vice-ministerial level trade consultations between China and the US produced no significant progress. In separate statements released after the talks, both sides only stressed they "exchanged views" and "conducted constructive and frank" talks, but neither side mentioned any accomplishment, nor did they say whether or when there would be a next round of talks. The result is in line with expectations.
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Syria;

https://southfront.org/lavrovs-remarks-and-answers-to-questions-at-joint-news-conference-following-talks-with-turkish-foreign-minister/
DJ-Russia is having talks with Turkey-both will meet with Iran-on the NW-Syria/Idlib "rebel"held area. It looks like Russia-Iran-Turkey (RIT) will take time to deal with several area's in Syria but agree on returning (most of) the land to Assad. The US seems to not accept this scenario.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-25/russian-official-suggests-deploying-nuclear-weapons-syria-respond-us-sanctions
DJ-A possible scenario is the US backed terrorists claiming Assad using chemical weapons against them after wich the US (and UK ?) will react.
(DJ-There have been claims of the use of small nuclear weapons in (a.o.) Iraq and Yemen by (pro)US forces. (There were also some claims of a small nuclear explosion during the latest failed coup in Turkey) The idea of Russia using small tactical nuclear weapons against US(led) forces in Syria is very dangerous and a further escalation.)

Korea;

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/08/trump-ties-north-korea-talks-to-trade-deal-with-china.html# DJ: North- and South Korea seem to make their own plans and try to limit any (further) foreign interference.
China and Russia are willing to invest in (rail)road construction to give Korea access to the Asian markets. (DJ-To much pressure by the US, linking North Korea with a trade conflict-not only with China but also with South Korea-is pushing South Korea towards Russia and China. Just like in Syria in Korea there are no easy answers and it will take time to find solutions. A military solution will have a very high price. In the MoA-article also on the US moving towards a two-China-policy, recognizing Taiwan as "the other China"-worsening international relations even further.)

Ukraine;

http://thesaker.is/non-existent-ukrainian-buk-got-into-an-accident-in-kiev-ruslan-ostashko/ DJ-"The West" is obstructing a realistic investigation on the MH17 mass murder. Ukraine also has BUK-missiles but is supposed to be part of a group of countries doing an independent investigation ????
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http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3061-iran-claims-full-control-of-perisan-gulf-and-strait-of-hormuz DJ-The US has some ships in the Persian Gulf-will Iran try to control US Navy moving in/out of the Gulf ? (At a certain stage of the conflict ? One could claim that by stepping out of the Iran-deal and new sanctions the US declared (regime-change, oil) war on Iran.)

http://thesaker.is/august-27-2018-foreign-specialists-prepare-to-stage-chemical-attack-in-idlib/ DJ-Russia seems to be certain US/UK backed/trained rebels will stage a chemical attack soon-to be blamed on Assad and used as an excuse for "Western" (US, UK ????) intervention. Russia did make clear that a large-scale attack on Syria is unacceptable.

http://thesaker.is/what-bolton-needs-to-understand-about-russia-and-history/ A August 23 meeting in Geneva-Switzerland of security advisors from the US (Bolton) and Russia was more than a faillure. The US demanded the whitdrawel of Russia and Iran from Syria.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-27/tectonic-plates-geopolitics-are-starting-shift DJ-Witht the US putting sanctions on Germany, Turkey, Pakistan the US is losing allies and friends high speed.

With also US-China conflicts (Korea, Taiwan, South China Sea, Trade) getting out of control an armed conflict of the US with Rissia-Iran-China (and more) may become the next step on the escalationladder.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-27/gold-bloc-iran-russia-and-turkeyoh-my DJ-Dropping the US$ in international trade is one of many steps taking place right now. https://www.debka.com/syrian-air-defense-forces-reported-on-full-alert-for-us-attack/

https://southfront.org/us-brings-more-cruise-missile-carriers-to-middle-east-syrian-air-defense-prepare-to-repel-strikes/
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DJ-Allthough "we-the public" do only get very limited information there is every reason to believe we are moving towards "a very bad situation".

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3071-24-hours-max-syria-russia-to-begin-final-take-down-of-idlib-rebels-watch-for-false-flag-chemical-attack and http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3072-ominous-russia-war-games-in-the-east-but-moving-reserve-troops-and-tanks-west https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/29-august-opposition-sources-say-they-spotted-a-shipment

DJ-In Syria the US is working towards a "no-fly zone" over the (against international law) US held (by proxies; Kurds, alquada-"moderate rebels"in Idlib, IS/CIA-AlTanf) area's in Syria. (US)Drone-attacks on (a.o.) Russians seem to be a daily thing. The US goal in Syria seems to be to limt Russia and Iran.

Other very serious crisispoints-Iran/Persian Gulf and East Asia. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-29/trump-threatens-bigger-ever-war-games-if-korea-talks-fail-blames-china.

DJ-In the South China Sea conflict the US is moving towards a "two-China-policy" accepting Taiwan as "another state-not part of China". Selling weapons to Taiwan, sabotaging North Korea-talks (to keep the US in South Korea) are other very major crises.

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/-DJ-Some sources claim the "Doomsday-clock" did move to one minute to midnight, unprecedented. They are most likely-if they have time-to move in half minutes.

A US (and others ?) attack on Syria may be answered by large scale cyber attacks on the US. Russia most likely will react by destroying ships/planes-an escalation will go very fast.

http://theduran.com/us-pushing-the-gambit-in-syria-something-big-is-coming-as-officials-ramp-up-threats/

DJ-I believe in talks to end conflicts. Latest US-Russia meetings, US-China talks "only made things worse".
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War for Asia

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/09/syria-sitrep-us-to-stay-to-create-quagmires.html# DJ-Good article also on why the major operations in Syria may start after sept. 7.

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3099-syrian-army-unleashes-on-idlib-final-terrorist-stronghold and http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3094-attack-in-progress-in-damascus-air-base-being-hit

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-02/repeating-churchills-blunder-will-us-drive-turkey-joining-shanghai-pact

DJ-There are indications that Turkey will join Russia, Iran and Hezbollah in operations against US backed terrorists. (IS, Alquada and other "rebels" organized by the CIA). This could de facto split NATO. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-02/european-firms-hit-hard-us-sanctions-iran

http://www.atimes.com/article/crashing-currency-chaos-spreads-across-the-global-south/ DJ-Venezuela, Iran, Pakistan (many other countries) are loking for alternatives-in the short term-for the US$.

Korea

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2018/09/03/0401000000AEN20180903008051315.html DJ-The US does not want to end tensions with NK to keep US bases in East Asia. (So Moon is working with NK and China)

Overall;

China is sending troops to Eastern Russia for excercises, Russia is moving forces to the Eastern Ukraine-border after the Kiev-junta murdered a separatist leader. The US is stopping training and payments to Pakistan-most likely China will replace the US there.

DJ-The Shanghai Cooperation Organization was joined by India and Pakistan, Iran and Turkey (a.o. I would not be surprised when Philippines, Indonesia, Viet Nam also would join) are on the waiting list. The only thing the US seems to be able to think of to stop this movement is sanctions, currency wars, threats-that did not work and will not work.

For Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan "growing pressure"on US forces may mean US military getting killed in stupid, insane wars....
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http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/09/syria-us-reveals-underpants-plan-for-a-permanent-occupation.html#

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-07/iran-russia-and-turkey-state-need-negotiated-political-process-idlib-amidst

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3120-russia-gives-us-second-warning-of-coming-military-action

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/07/kurds-renew-their-claim-for-idlib-as-final-battle-draws-near

DJ-Russia, Iran, Turkey tried to agree on Syria in Tehran-Iran last friday. Maybe it looks like Turkey does not agree with Russia, Iran (and Syria) plans.

Some remarks;

-Turkey is "to deep" in the Russian/Iran sphere of influence with Turk Stream-linking Russian energy to the EU, S400 and trade deals with Russia Iran China etc.
Also Erdogan has had enough of the US (and the EU-but doing deals with SE European countries). Turkey needs investments, China, Russia may bring such.

-Iraq is moving away from the "west" towards Iran. Pakistan is moving towards China.

-Afghanistan is part of a US/NATO plan to control Iran, Russia, China. The wars in Afghanistan (since 2001) and Iraq (2003) are part of a regime-change program for Iran going back to the 1979 Iran revolution.

DJ-Turkey most likely has decided to join the Russia-Iran-China group. To keep influence they have to accept the price. In the Putin-chess game Turkey may be limited in Syria but could be used in getting influence in Saudi Arabia/Gulf States.

The US/Israel war on Iran in Syria will not work. Israel will not start a war with Iran on its own and the US does not want to get involved in a big war with Iran AND Russia (AND China). The goal may be to limit and slow down Iran and Russia.

The coming weeks may see Russia using its air force against alquaida and IS in US held area's of Syria (and Iraq ?). Special Forces could be used to get several terrorist groups to fight each other. For Turkey refugees from Syria will be send to area's under Assad control.

There may be a chemical attack-claim, even a US (and UK, France) strike but that will not stop the operations. Putin want to finish the war (for Asia-not just Syria) maybe this year ?
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http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3127-battle-for-idlib-begins-as-syrian-russian-forces-unleash-massive-attack

DJ-Hal Turner reporting on AIR (and Navy ?) operations against US backed terrorists in NW Syria. Unclear what Turkey is planning. They seem to be on the same page with Russia, Iran, Syria (or not ? That would mean Erdogan would trust the US-very unlikely. DJ-At this moment the US is promoting chaos and regimechange allover the planet. )

In his 7.09 pm update HT claims a "rebel"specialist sabotaged rebel chemical weapons that would provide the US with an excuse for intervention. The US claims only Assad has chemical weapons so when the US claims there are chemical weapons used the US comes in "to protect the people".

http://theduran.com/trump-does-a-180-on-syria-war-is-on-the-horizon-video/ With 10/20.000 Uyghurs from western China in NW Syria China has an interest in killing those US sponsored sunni-extremists before they go back (via CIA) to China.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-08/us-military-preparing-options-syria, https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-08/youtube-shuts-down-all-syrian-state-channels-idlib-assault-begins

YouTube, Facebook etc blocking alternative news media.

DJ-According to some views Trump is under deep state control and has to escalate the Syria "civil" war to stay in power.

My (DJ) views;

Both Turkey and Israel did support "rebels"(including IS)-they want to delete proof of that. (What is the point of war-on-terror when those fighting terror are also funding terror ? weapons-oil-money-greed !)

If Turkey wants to play a major role in the coming EurAsia-market it has to deal with Russia, China, Iran.
In Israel there is (always) several lines. Netanyaho welcomes US money, Jerusalem as capitol for the US-still Netanyahu has better contacts with Putin does not know who is ruling the US. (Even the Gulf States, KSA, EU may wonder who is in control in the US).

The US "politics" have destabilized the major nuclear power-so there is a "fight for the steering wheel in a heavy truck full of (nuclear) explosives". That is not good at all !

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=4b85713b599fa5d50ec88bf6aa08751c

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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/syria-planning-poison-gas-attack-on-rebels-us-says-2018-09-09?siteid=rss&rss=1 and https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12428&start=50
DJ-Discussion on whether to attack Russian or Iran forces in Syria by the US after "chemical weapons use by Assad". https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-09/us-says-assad-has-approved-gas-attack-idlib-setting-stage-major-military-conflict

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-09/pentagon-sends-strong-message-russia-live-fire-assault-drills-syria DJ-In reaction to claims of "pro-Assad forces" willing to attack ("rebel"groups that attacked Palmyra from) the Al-Tanf area (close to the Iraq/Jordan border) the US has been "showing strenght" in that area.

DJ-Again-the US is in Syria against international law, the US has given support to groups seen international as terrorists. Just like the war in Iraq this US military operation is a war crime.

http://theduran.com/russia-locks-horns-with-turkey-in-astana-as-u-s-prepares-false-flag-attack-in-syria-video/ and http://theduran.com/terrorists-and-white-helmets-met-in-idlib-to-plot-false-flag-chemical-attack-video/

DJ-Turkey has send in large amount of troops in the Idlib-area "as observers". Erdogan does not want to see-yet-a major landwar in this region. (But seems to be willing to accept that several groups "get bombed away" since even Turkey is seeing them as terrorists. Most likely "special forces" will operate in Idlib to do "the dirty work" and start infighting between several jihadi-groups.)

DJ-My impression is that Russia is doing everything they can to avoid rebels using chemical attack-false flags. If possible they would like to limit further US intervention-even when the Idlib-operation would take more time.
Complications are the US/Israeli strikes on Iran/Hezbollah targets in Syria. There are over 50 jihadi-groups. Iran did bomb a Saudi-backed Kurdish group in northern Iraq a few days ago. Some jihadi groups may be willing to talk-with sometimes "moderate extremists being killed by extreme extremists".
https://southfront.org/us-led-coalition-to-launch-final-operation-against-isis-in-syria-within-hours-report/ From the comments-the US is renaming terrorist groups, transporting them to fight Assad. When IS members shave their beards and dress like SDF the Kurds in the SDF are "not happy". With in Manbij the US and Turkey cooperating against the Kurds there may be a shift of Kurdish forces towards the pro-Assad side.

https://www.debka.com/while-irans-leaders-and-allies-confer-on-idlib-shiite-iraq-implodes-in-their-faces/ DJ-After the Iraq-elections the chaos there only did worsen.

Overall; with more smokescreens and chaos the risks in all of the middle east is increasing by the hour. I would not rule out "rebels" attacking US forces in Syria to provoke US attacks on pro-Assad forces (including Iran, Russian). Most likely the US was involved in several drone-attacks on Russian bases in Syria. Russian and Syrian forces cooperate-US airstrikes did kill Russian PMC's (Private Military Contractors=Vagner).

The build up of both (pro)US and Russian/Iran forces in the region is creating a powderkeg. It may be hard NOT to get some incidents....
(For instance Syrian Air Force using the same radar-identification as Russian Air Force-when the US or Israel wants to bring down a plane they may not know if it is Russian or Syrian !)

Israeli News Live did mention up to 200 US/UK special forces in Idlib with up to 100.000 jihadi-fighters (10.000 of them alquaida-even the US consider them as terrorists.) Will the US use chemical-false flag to save alquaida ? Is the US willing to kill Russians and Iranians because they stopped regime change ? A possible scenario may be Turkey giving "rebels" Turkish uniforms to fight Kurds (in Syria, Iraq, Turkey)

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http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3173-russia-imposes-no-fly-zone-for-israeli-military-aircraft-around-syria

DJ-The Israeli scenario in wich Israeli fighters used a Russian plane to hide behind-and Syria did shoot down the Russian plane-could be similar to a possible MH17 scenario (july 2014-"the west" claims Putin did it...a Joint Investigation Team includes the Ukraine)

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/09/syria-israel-provocation-kills-russian-soldiers-russia-will-take-political-revenge.html#

Korea;

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2018/09/19/0301000000AEN20180919004758315.html DJ-North- and South-Korea talking must be a nightmare for the US military-industrial-criminals. The MIC needs wars al around the globe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_China%E2%80%93United_States_trade_war The US-China "trade war" is about global control.

Putin and Erdogan met in Soschi to deal with Syria-for the time being. Russia-Mongolia-China did have very large joined military drills and are working on further military integration.

In this trade-war at the long term the US may not be in the best position-for now. The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation is more-and-more "cooperating in many fields" and has "ties" with South Africa, Venezuela, Nicaragua (etc).
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DJ-In the (alternative) media discussion on how to see the latest Israel-Russia incident.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-19/decoding-putins-response-attack-syria claim it was a NATO-set up to start a further escalation. (DJ-I'm not convinced )

http://theduran.com/russian-il-20-downed-by-syrian-missile-russia-blames-israel-israel-blames-syria-video/ DJ-The Duran thinks Israel wanted to show that it could attack anywere in Syria when Israel did see a reason to do so.
-Israel did attack Iran/Hezbollah targets near the main Russian air base in NW Syria. (Thereby is Israel giving aid to Idlib alquaida terrorists under siege).
-Netanyahu and Putin (and MoD Shoigu and Lieberman) did have "strong words" on the incident.

https://www.debka.com/russia-to-beef-up-air-defenses-aircraft-to-curtail-israeli-air-operations-in-syria/ The outcome will be that Israel (and others) will have less access to Syrian airspace.

http://thesaker.is/ also has good info (MSM is doing again not their job)

DJ-Both in Korea/East Asia and Syria SW Asia "the west" is marginalized and not in control. (DJ-The UK is in brexit-disaster, US has a post-election/pre-election chaos, France Macron also facing strong opposition, does the France-UK-US coalition want a conflict to distract from internal chaos ?)

The EU is meeting on refugees. https://www.eu2018.at/calendar-events/political-events/Salzburg-Summit.html They claim that due to their policies there are less refugees. In reality the Syria-conflict is limited to a few frontlines-so less Syrian refugees.
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DJ-I put some links first;

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3197-israeli-general-says-israel-has-no-choice-but-to-destroy-syrian-s-300-despite-confrontation-with-russia
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3196-clandestine-pictures-s-300-being-deployed-in-syria
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3195-breaking-news-russia-imposes-no-fly-zone-over-latakia-syria-including-u-s-aircraft
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3194-russian-jets-intercept-u-s-f-22-over-syria
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3193-russia-to-jam-navigation-radars-of-planes-attacking-syria
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3192-publicly-confirmed-russia-giving-s-300-missile-system-to-syria
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/3187-major-development-syria-2
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3184-israeli-f-16-s-intercepted-by-russian-war-planes-over-lebanon-forced-back-to-israel
https://www.debka.com/russia-declares-electronic-war-on-israel-ranging-over-syria-e-mediterranean/

DJ-The headlines tell the main story-indicates what is coming. Russia, Syria, Iran most likely are working on a "final plan"for Syria-with Turkey, Lebanon.

DJ-In my opinion a very likely deal is that when Turkey is willing to give up its "rebels" in NW Syria Russia and Iran are willing to deal with the Kurds. The Kurds have a choice; join pro-Assad forces in some form (maybe with some limited Kurdish rule in some area's) or destruction. Maybe Turkey might be willing to accept some "rebels" from NW Syria.

Goal is to bring all of Syria under Assad control. The bigger goal is that Russia-Iran-China show they are in control over (most of) Asia.

When "diplomacy"can do the main job there will be limited fighting. "Rebels" and Kurds without supplies do not fight. It also would take away any excuse for further western intervention.

On the longer term Russia-Iran-China want the US (and its proxies like IS) out of Iraq, Afghanistan.

The shift-worsening-is not only the outcome of the downing of the Russian plane but also of the attack in Iran on a military parade (in reaction to Iran airstrikes on Saudi backed Kurdish terrorist in north Iraq. Some Kurds have IS links.)

Most likely Israel is doing everything they can to limit the damage. Most likely the Russian may have also S400's in Syria for self-defence (and other weapons). https://www.debka.com/mivzak/netanyahu-to-meet-trump-possibly-el-sisi-on-un-assembly-sidelines/ and https://www.debka.com/mivzak/israeli-security-cabinet-meets-tuesday-on-crisis-with-russia/.

Israel is not going to start a war with Russia. Putin may be more popular than Trump in Israel, a war has to be winable....( In 2017 Trump was more popular in Israel, https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/08/16/shock-poll-most-countries-prefer-putin-over-trump/#d10124d6dcf1-but naming Jerusalem as the Israel capitol, putting the US embassy there will not work for long)
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DJ-We had an anti-terrorist police operation not far from were I live yesterday. Looks serious; http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=SPS-20180928-64817-NLD and https://www.debka.com/mivzak/dutch-police-arrest-7-men-plotting-major-terror-attack/

The Dutch government has to explain why they did send money/aid to "Syrian rebels" that are considered to be terrorists. (Dutch people who joined those groups-with support of the secret services-I know a mosq that was used for recruiting, over 30 people from this region joined IS a few years ago-nobody stopped them ! Now those "fighters" are treated as terrorists eventhough the Dutch government did not stop them "they went to Turkey" but also supported the "rebels")

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/opinion-editorial/hal-turner-commentary/3206-had-meetings and http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/3207-covert-intel-massive-israeli-strikes-against-syria-imminent-u-s-may-participate

DJ-The F.UK.US coalition-with Israel may be preparing a major operation against Syria. (In support of "moderate rebels/IS etc.) This means western attacks on Russians and Iranians in Syria who are there on the request of the Syrian government.....

It looks like in the US the democrats blame Russia for loosing an election, republicans will blame China....please save us from those kind of "politics"!
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DJ-My speculation (and nothing more that that-the target of a major terrorist attack in the Netherlands is "kept out of the news") could be that there were plans to attack https://gelredome.nl/nl/evenement/24-11-2018-qlimax-2018 that would be three years after the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks.

DJ-"The west" want to make Syria a "Viet Nam" for Russia and China. http://theduran.com/devils-deal-did-turkey-outmaneuver-russia-with-idlib-agreement-video/ Good story; Turkey is paying "moderate"alquaida terrorist in Idlib. (They protest they do not want Turkish Lira but Syrian Pounds). The alquaida THS is controlling 70% of Idlib-area. Chechens, (Chinese) Uyghurs and others are controlling the other 30%. The west is supporting those "moderate rebels" (also in Yemen, Libya, IS is also fighting Russians in the Ukraine).

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-september-27-2018-several-european-states-deliver-chemical-weapons-components-to-idlib/

DJ-Several scenario's;

-https://www.debka.com/mivzak/netanyahu-reveals-existence-of-a-second-nuclear-site-in-tehran/ "The west/Israel" are already at war with Iran-not so open war with Russia. For Israel they claim Iran should have been attacked some time ago-both the nuclear facilities in Iran and Iran presence in the region.

-A "cold peace" with Turkey getting control over parts of Syria and Iraq (with US support-the US slowly dumping the Kurds like in Manbij). A "frozen conflict" (like the Ukraine, Georgia etc.) with limited military action most of the time. (For the west it would be a military burden but the idea would be that that burden-in combination with economic warfare-"trade wars"would be much more a burden for Russia-Iran-China.)

-Another scenario could be the "Syrian war" going into Turkey with the Kurds, IS, alquaida (already taking Erdogan hostage-if Turkey drops alquaida they will attack Turkey)fighting Erdogan-another Turkish "civil war". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
(DJ-Turkey has many different groups, western oriented to extreme islamic, it is not a stable society.)

Putin's strategy was to choose the conflicts he wanted to fight, avoid other conflicts. That strategy resulted in Assad still ruling most of Syria instead of IS. That strategy also stimulated sales of Russian weapons around the globe, Russian influence. Putin does not want an all-out war with "the west" (simply that would be the end of life on Earth-most western countries do not want such a scenario as well.)

The "stability" is not much more than a balancing act that may go wrong.
(In the background escalating climate change(disasters) and economic/political chaos in the US and EU (a.o. Brexit, Euro-crisis).

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DJ-While the US want to create an "Arab NATO" https://southfront.org/u-s-stepping-up-efforts-to-form-arab-nato-to-confront-iran/ most NATO countries stick to the Iran-deal. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-28/eu-uk-russia-china-join-together-dodge-us-sanctions-iran and https://southfront.org/eu-uk-russia-and-china-join-together-to-dodge-us-sanctions-on-iran/

Even further: https://southfront.org/russia-turkey-france-and-germany-will-hold-meeting-on-syria-in-october/ DJ-Erdogan visits Germany this weekend-wants better trade relations with EU (to be a part of the New Silk Road for China trade, Turkey also with "Turkstream" russian gas to the EU and buying S-300 from Russia.
A further goal for Erdogan may be to get the EU in the Astana-Syria peace proces (with Russia and Iran) as an alternative for the Geneva-US-led-talks. Turkey is also a growing trade partner for both Russia and Iran.)

https://southfront.org/russia-is-ready-to-provide-iraq-with-syria-like-military-assistance/

DJ-There is still no government in Bagdad-maybe new elections on their way ? Russia may bring stability were the US/NATO did bring IS and chaos.
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