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Two articles;

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/05/article/were-all-actors-in-the-new-silk-road-play/?_=7226893 New Silk Road with Chineese investments all over the globe.

And the US reaction; https://www.rt.com/usa/458457-us-iran-carrier-bomber-central-command/

DJ When the US tries to sabotage Iran-oil export-to India, China-on top of new trade tarifs-it is getting close to a declaration of war against Iran, China (etc).

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-05/europe-vows-continue-buying-iranian-oil-us-revokes-export-waivers A lot of oil going via pipelines. The (insane) US decision of telling other countries not to buy oil from Iran "or else" is making the isolation of the US only worse.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201905061074740098-us-destroyers-south-china-sea-trade-talks/

https://sputniknews.com/latam/201905061074745220-venezuela-usa-response-military-action/

DJ-When the trade wars, economies based on debts do not plunge is into a next major economic crisis the US wars for oil will do so.
The world needs another US. The times of the unipolar world is gone. When the US is not willing to accept that it will see the consequences.

The US-$ once was the global energy-currency. In that role the US could spend much more than their own economy would allow. Now other (baskets of) currencies are becoming the way energy deals are made. This means the US$ is loosing (a lot) of its value.

When there is also severe flooding in the US damaging crops, there are crisis in aviation (Boeing 737=not safe) and weapons (F35 "JSF" expensive and not good, the SU35 and others are better deals-Russia, China, to some level Iran also global players in weapondeals) the US is moving towards not being able to go for large scale (long lasting) wars.

In fact the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc. were "foreign financed"wars.

Danger is that the US may go for "short wars" with small nuclear weapons. A reason not to do so is Russia, China have good airdefense and a major attack could give such a response the US defenses will break down.

Time for regimechange in the US !
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/multi-fronted-combat-expected-as-b-52-s-launch-from-uk-staging-area-to-middle-east-and-uss-abraham-lincoln-aircraft-carrier-strike-group-expedited-to-region
and https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13247

DJ-Some indication US is preparing war against Iran (with most likely help from Israel, Saudi Arabia). Related to https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/syria-russian-and-syrian-airforce-prepare-the-ground-for-an-attack-on-idlib-province.html
(Will Turkey back alquaeda forces in Idlib/Syria against Iran/Russia ? DJ-Not very likely-Turk stream and Russian/Chineese toerism is to important-so is trade with Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey-Iran military cooperation against (US/Israel backed-for the moment) Kurds.

Israel/US claims; https://www.debka.com/irans-badr-3-missile-in-maiden-show-against-israel-in-palestinian-rocket-offensive/, https://www.debka.com/mivzak/iran-on-point-of-partial-withdrawal-from-nuclear-accord/
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https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/how-the-us-is-pressing-iran-to-breach-the-nuclear-deal.html (and https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/syria-russian-and-syrian-airforce-prepare-the-ground-for-an-attack-on-idlib-province.html)

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/qatar-pledges-s480m-in-aid-to-palestinians/ (DJ-Qatar-not Iran-is the main sponsor of Hamas in Gaza.)

https://www.rt.com/usa/458550-pompeo-cancels-meeting-merkel/

DJ-There are several "parties" involved in the escalating conflict between Israel/US and Iran.

-Iran and Turkey both condemn the Israeli agression against Gaza. The US has main bases in Turkey and Qatar-both of them are strongly against present Israeli politics. Without the use of those bases the US is limited to other countries. Most likely Jordan want to stay out of the conflicts as good as they can. So the US needs Israel, KSA/Gulf states in a major conflict with Iran.

-China, India (Turkey, Iraq, EU) are buying Iranian (and Venezuelan) oil.
When the US stops the flow-by sea-of that oil "these countries will not be very pleased".

-Europe is not wainting for another-even bigger-war in the Middle East bringing even more refugees.

-Both in Israel and Saudi Arabia there is strong opposition against a major conflict with Iran. Iran can destroy those countries in an all out war. There are better alternatives for both countries when they seek de-escalation. China has taken interests in a major Israeli port, Russian railways are working on a project in Saudi Arabia. Both countries have interests in getting better relations in the region.
Saudi Arabia is trying to get more influence in Sudan. Moving towards war with Iran will make that road more difficult. (Besides that the US oil-fracking making the US #1 in oil production, the US agression against (a.o.) Venezuela to get US control over that oil as well goes against Saudi interests.)

-A "surprise attack" (after a false flag event) can not be very effective due to strong Iran (air)defense. Most likely will backfire with Iran blocking Saudi/Gulf States oil export and even worse relations with Russia, China (and the EU).

DJ-Still the present US government is acting very stupid-could start more conflicts that would destroy the US. An attack against Iran will effect other US "enemies" Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea. Those countries most likely will seek more protection from Russia and China.

Starting a war with Iran (or Venezuela, North Korea etc.) would be very stupid but fit in with (long standing) US foreign politics. The goal-US global domination-is only getting less realistic. The way the US is going is isolating the US even from its long term allies.
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Things seem to be worsening right now-is the US getting ready for war with Iran ? https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-07/buchanan-bolton-steering-trump-war-iran

From Hal Turner https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/pompeo-suddenly-cancels-visit-with-germany-s-merkel-being-evacuated-to-undisclosed-location-due-to-serious-security-threat (Not(yet) behind a paywall-gives me (DJ) the impression that HT is taking this very serious):

Folks, all of this is utterly unprecedented. Something of enormous magnitude is happening and it is not going to be good when we find out about it.

The possibilities include:

1) Iran resumes nuclear enrichment (today)

2) Iran announces they are already a nuclear-armed power (this week)

3) The US, UK, and Israel refuse to accept any of this and launch a full scale attack on Iran, opening what will likely become WW3.

In the meantime, we have the Neo-Con whack-job John Bolton, whispering in the President's ear, and the rest of the cabal around the White House, insulating Trump from crucial facts . . . . the end result being the Deep State Agenda we all hoped to stop, is back in full control of our government.

If that's the case, then there is no peaceful solution to this Deep State problem, and the matter might have to be settled by the American people using other means.

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Israel is ready to strike at the Iranian nuclear effort and we are privy to that. Meaning, if the US cannot back Israel down from attacking Iran, we better send all fighting capabilities to the region to protect US interests!   Iran and Israel are playing chess and the next move is checkmate. Some suggest Iran will detonate a nuke and announce their god given right to destroy Israel and tie up the middle east for ransom. In any event, Iran is also churning out uranium above all red lines, Israel will act.


Folks, this is it, all hell is going to be unleashed unless all efforts are successful.

DJ-Proberbly many armies getting ready for electronic warfare. Russia, Iran, China do not want or need war-the US wants to "control the world".

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13247

https://sputniknews.com/world/201905071074785319-iran-russia-turkey-trade-tool/

(DJ-As a reminder-we did see very serious situations in the last few years in the Middle East. So far it never got to a major-global-conflict. Lets hope it stays that way.)
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Is the US putting "maximum pressure"on Iran or is it preparing war ?

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/emergency-action-messages-being-transmitted-to-us-military-after-iran-fails-to-stand-down-ballistic-missiles

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13247&start=10

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-07/pompeo-snubbed-germanys-merkel-make-surprise-iraq-cites-iran-escalation

DJ-When the UK joins the US in a war/strike with Iran (and the EU does not) the place of the UK in the EU gets even more complicated. (EU/UK strategy is to kick the can down the road-just like the Greece-Euro-crisis)

DJ-Iran can not be seen as isolated. A major attack on Iran is an attack on China, India, Turkey, Syria etc-oil/military partners. Russia can not accept this.

A major US strike most likely will further damage the US. (Depending on what kind of strike Iran may NOT respond-denying the US a conflict. Russia accepted-in Syria-some US proxy agression on Russian forces to steer in wich conflicts the will and will not fight. By now most likely there may be some sort of defense agreements between Iran and several partners. )

Again a major escalation by the US would be damaging for the US.
https://www.rt.com/news/458627-b52-middle-east-iran/
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Some further remarks on the US-made "Iran crisis";

-https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/05/05/is-the-united-states-democracy/ Eric Zuesse answer is "no"-both major parties only represent an elite. (But that is a worldwide "democracy" problem-DJ)
Starting a major conflict-on top of all other conflicts the US is already involved in-would mean even less investments in decent education, healthcare, infrastructure in the US itself.

DJ-The choice for conflict instead of diplomacy "to rule the world" since 1989 did bring the US in a position that government spending is to much on the military/police-state and forgetting what made the US strong.

The US reputation worldwide is that of an agressor-not able to compromise. Double standards in every way possible-stimulating their own industry by defense orders while claiming a "free market ideology". And now even the US weapons can no longer compete with other producers...(both in price and quality)

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201905081074798565-javad-zarif-jcpoa-cut-back-commitments/, https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/08/595397/Iran-change-commitment-nuclear-deal-JCPOA-Rouhani-letter

https://sputniknews.com/news/201905081074804853-iran-us-nuclear-deal/ and https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/07/595378/China-Iran-US-Threat-Attack-Nuclear-Deal-NonProliferation-Peace-Stability-Middle-East

Russian FM Lavrov will meet Iran FM Zarif in Moscow today. China and Russia are other Iran-deal partners-the US is the one breaking the deal (and the EU is claiming to stick to the deal but does not proof to do so).

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/how-the-us-is-pressing-iran-to-breach-the-nuclear-deal/comments/page/2/#comments

Pompeo is supposed to meet Lavrov and Putin may 14 in Sochi-the way Pompeo "dumped"Merkel gives an indication of the US getting out of control...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-07/nuclear-war-vs-belt-and-road-initiative-why-china-will-prevail
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DJ-Some good articles on why a US war against Iran is not very likely;

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/will-the-us-and-israel-wage-a-summer-war.html

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-08/israeli-newspaper-leaks-terms-trumps-deal-century-middle-east-peace-plan

DJ-Not mentioned in both articles is the New Silk Road in wich Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran and Pakistan have a role-and Israel as well.
Netanyaho has good ties with both the US and Russia, India. For Israel any major war would bring massdestruction and damage relations Israel has with the Gulf States and Egypt.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-raises-tariffs-on-chinese-imports-from-10-percent-to-25-percent-on-200-billion-worth-of-chinese-goods(DJ-The pro-Trump view of HT)

DJ-Russia, China, Iran must be working very hard to further decrease the pressure US sanctions can do. They have an alternative for the SWIFT system for international financial transactions.
Russia now is buying fruits etc from Turkey instead of the EU to deal with EU sanctions.
Most likely the construction of pipelines to get oil from Iran overland to a.o. India (Iran-Pakistan-India IPI-line) etc will speed up. Also searoutes over the Caspian Sea to get Iranian oil to Russia will be improved.
Russia and China are growing in aviation, space, weapons/technology.

The long term outcome of the present US politics is that only a few countries might be interested in doing bussiness with the US. The US is shooting itself in the foot. The Middle East Peaceprocess will become a Russia/China project with the US on the sidelines.

In Syria https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-may-8-2019-syrian-army-liberates-another-town-in-northwestern-hama/ limited operations against the "western backed (al quaeda linked) rebels" in NW Syria/Idlib. The Kurds still hope to get some sort of "Kurdistan"-both Idlib and Kurdish held area's need foreign support (via Turkey and Iraq). Without that support they end.
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Iran;

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/soft-coup-in-iran-rhouhani-sidelined-to-observer-while-irgc-takes-actual-command DJ-Or is there a sort of preparing for war-in Iran due to "US max pressure"? http://thesaker.is/shia-iraqi-scholar-warns-us-embassy-military-bases-our-silence-wont-last-forever-english-subs/
(DJ-Of course after US coups and failure to bring improvement-worse US puppets destroying reasonable healthcare, housing education-anyone would come to the conclusion they are better of without the US (in Iraq, Libya, Syria etc).

North Korea

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-blind-sided-by-surprise-north-korea-missile-launch-major-provocation,
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-09/kim-says-latest-nkorea-launch-was-long-range-strike-drill-not-short-range

DJ-After the latest failed US coup-attempt in Venezuela it is getting clear the US is losing control. NK-Kim visited Vladivostok last week, has reasonable relations with both Russia and China. Those countries are in a position to "limit" wild plans from NK.
Russia and China have influence in Iran and Venezuela (Maduro is expected in Moscow soon.)

The US approach is not very constructive for US interests.https://www.debka.com/behind-apparent-military-escalation-us-and-iran-buy-2-3-months-grace-for-reassessment/

Israel/Netanyahu may think the US will support him when he decides to "go for" Iran interests in Lebanon, Syria or Gaza.

https://southfront.org/the-next-economic-crisis-and-the-looming-post-multipolar-system/ DJ There is always an economic bases for major wars. If the US wanted to start a major non-nuclear conflict with very large debts against creditors who will pay ?
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DJ-Iran is preparing for a possible (Israeli, US, joint, others (Saudi, UK) attack on their nuclear installations. The US sees that is Iran getting ready for starting military action against US/Saudi/Israeli targets...

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-urgent-pentagon-tasked-to-begin-planning-for-massive-persian-gulf-troops-deployment and https://www.debka.com/us-ready-to-go-for-irans-guards-bases-if-iraqi-shiite-proxies-attack-al-tanf-garrison/

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iranian-army-general-goes-on-tv-reveals-plans-to-missile-strike-u-s-bases-in-qatar-united-arab-emirates-and-afghanistan (DJ-Iran-and Turkey-have troops in Qatar to keep away Saudi/UAE forces. Qatar has a major US air base. Turkey has to make a choice when a US-Iran war breaks out. The US has several military bases in Turkey-on the other hand Turkey now has better relations with Russia and Iran than with US and Israel)

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/uss-abraham-lincoln-and-its-strike-group-successfully-transits-suez-canal DJ-military build up for any major land action against Iran may take several days/weeks. The US will not get that time-when war can not be avoided Iran-and its allies (????) will not wait.

DJ-With the US-China trade war getting out of hand. Iran and Venezuela main oil suppliers for China-the present US made crisis is a further escalation of the US-China trade war.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/media-amplify-iran-war-propaganda-play-up-intelligence-lies.html DJ Western main-stream-media are embedded-part of the western propaganda. (The WMD story prior to the Iraq war etc)
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DJ-The reason US is increasing tensions with Iran has everything to do with China.

https://www.rt.com/news/459064-pakistan-gwadar-hotel-attack/
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157148373776678&set=a.10150294029661678&type=3&theater
The Balochistan Liberation Army is a US-CIA proxy. Balochistan is SW Pakistan, SE Iran. The US "is not happy" with India (in Iran) and China investing in that region. So they bring in "the rebels"....

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/05/article/us-china-the-hardcore-is-yet-to-come/ From Huawei to the South China Sea the US-China confrontation is spreading out-https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/04/article/china-locked-in-a-power-game-with-the-us/

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-11/america-ready-john-boltons-war-iran (and https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=101067#p101067 MAGA = Morons Are Governing America)

The "B-team" (Bibi Netanyahu, Bolton, mBs, ) think it would be a good idea to start a war with Iran. In 2003 Iraq at least had WMD-they did not have. Now it is "threats" from Iran. Hezbollah shooting a rocket into Israel would be-for the B-team-Iran attacking Israel.

The major risk is https://southfront.org/senior-israeli-officer-says-syrian-crews-completed-training-on-s-300-system-vows-to-destroy-it/ Israeli attacks in Syria can escalate even faster...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJoIiscCgBk The Duran on Iran
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DJ-The US is preparing for war against Iran-ignoring the fact that Russia, China (a.o.) will not accept any major US action against Iran.

For countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea to even Turkey, Pakistan a US act of agression would be the final push towards the Russia-Iran-China coalition. India NEEDS oil from Iran, Venezuela....

Any major military action against Iran by the US would be the end of the US (and maybe of us all....).

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/america-opens-its-arsenal-trainloads-of-tanks-in-desert-paint-heading-to-ports-iran (DJ-Hal Turner made a strange U-turn-being against US presence in the Middle East now supporting a war that will be far worse than the Iraq war.)

https://www.debka.com/four-cargo-ships-sabotaged-in-uae-waters-off-fujairah-port/ (see also https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13265)
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DJ-Hal Turner keeps on top of the US-Iran war plans. The comments are sometimes good....most likely even nobody-almost-in the US want another-even bigger-war in Asia.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/wow-spain-tucks-tail-and-runs-from-uss-abraham-lincoln-strike-group,

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/covert-intelligence-pics-and-video-limpet-mines-attached-to-oil-tankers-blew-up-7-10-of-them (US made false flag or was it the Mossad/Israel ? https://www.debka.com/irans-special-marine-unit-sabotaged-tankers-fujairah-was-outside-us-saudi-uae-purview/ DJ-I guess Israel.)

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/syria-opcw-engineering-assessment-the-douma-chemical-weapon-incident-was-staged.html
Another false flag....See also https://southfront.org/even-opposition-admits-hayat-tahrir-al-sham-may-have-chemical-weapons/

https://southfront.org/venezuelan-opposition-asks-for-us-military-support-against-maduro-government-and-foreign-forces/
DJ-First you "create" an opposition than you support them-US made regimechange-model.

The Duran https://theduran.com/iran-nuclear-deal-falling-apart-as-conflict-in-persian-gulf-inches-closer-video/ describes what a US war against Iran would look like-in theory. https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201905141074981790-pentagon-mulls-iran-escalation-troops-plan/

DJ-Both Saudi Arabia and Israel would try to stay out of the real fight (or face destruction) and leave the real fight to the US.

Europe already is sticking-with Russia and China-to the Iran-deal the US is breaking. https://sputniknews.com/europe/201905131074968888-mogherini-eu-presser/ and https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/13/595876/Iran-European-Union-warning-military-escalation-United-States-Pompeo

DJ-The US putting sanctions on EU companies for doing bussines with Russia, Iran, China is pushing the EU for making a decission on who to do bussiness with. The credit-based, treaty-breaking US or the deal-sticking growing Asia-market.....mmmmmm what do you think ?

DJ-Even this US escalation is damaging the US extreme. The US-China trade conflict has everything to do with this US made "Iran-crisis". The US is spreading chaos from Venezuela to Iraq-enough is enough !
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https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/05/16/what-putin-pompeo-did-not-talk-about/?

DJ-The US will not be allowed to attack Iran-Russia and China will not accept that. That was what Pompeo was told in Sochi. Putin/Lavrov did have talks with China the day before Pompeo came to Sochi. (By the way-A US attack on Iran may also be the end of NATO from the EU point of view. Pompeo may have been told so by the EU.)

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/the-lunacy-of-waging-a-war-on-iran-which-china-and-russia-would-win.html

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-urgent-us-asks-israelis-to-keep-out-of-iran-fight-unless-attacked-ergo-a-fight-has-been-decided-upon (DJ-Or is the US telling Israel not to start a war with Iran because they can not start a war with Russia and China over Iran ?),
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-situation-deteriorating-fast-talk-from-rhouhani-of-war-diplomats-evacuated

https://www.debka.com/iranian-firewall-set-for-us-cyberattack-payback-for-tehrans-strikes-on-gulf-oil/
(DJ-Most likely Israel was behind the UAE false flag attack-and maybe also behind a cyber-attack on Iran claiming the US is doing that cyber attack.)
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DJ-The Us-Saudi-Israel war propaganda fails.
https://theduran.com/who-really-gains-from-the-gulf-ship-sabotage/,
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-16/uk-us-row-over-iran-intel-unleashes-storm-behind-scenes-infighting,
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-16/secret-satellite-photos-iranian-missiles-persian-gulf-spark-intelligence-debate

Even though western "press" fails to deal with fake-news the opposition to new wars is widespread. Most likely US military do realize that Israel and Saudi Arabia (and a few other Gulfstates) would welcome the US to fight a war with Iran without risking their own interests.

There still seems to be a group with financial interests in starting major conflicts. Most likely from intelligence to weaponindustry the "elite" may get the picture that a war with Iran could mean the end of NATO and cost the US what is left of "global power".

The US foreign policy-backed by other "western states" since the end of the Soviet Union was based on confrontation instead of cooperation with Russia and China. Going for confrontation with other countries, the Afghanistan (since 2001), Iraq (2003) Libya, Syria, Yemen wars (not to mention Yugoslavia in the 90's) made clear what the west had to offer; war for oil.

By putting sanctions on the EU, South Korea, the US worsened her international position. Becoming the largest oil producer put the US in competition with Saudi Arabia (and Russia).

China and India are the two major buyers of energy on the global market. When there was an alternative for the US-petro-$ (wich also was safe-US sanctions stopped working) Iran, Venezuela, Russia, even Saudi Arabia dropped the US$ as "petro-currency".

The US can create international tensions to raise the oil price-to make US (expensive to produce) oil more competative the damage the US has done to relations with many trade partners is that big the US is losing grip on the energy market. (They may sell US oil against India/China/Euro currencies).

At the moment the US is falling back to its last instrument-the military. Even that will not work.
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/flash-kuwait-moving-to-full-war-footing-after-briefing-by-us-officials

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201905171075089030-iran-backed-militias-proxy-war-report/

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/elevated-alert-for-uk-forces-personnel-in-iraq-saudi-arabia-kuwait-qatar/

DJ-A possible false flag could make the middle east explode. (Even when no "major party" wants it to explode. DJ-I guess Iran does not want war. The US, Israel, KSA know that a war will be impossible to control and bring "extreme damage". Russia/China may try to contain a "incident"-try to avoid an explosion").

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-17/buchanan-who-wants-war-iran

(DJ-There have been alarming reports in the past about "invasions" (US-into Nicaragua, Turkey-Saudi Arabia into Syria via Iraq etc.) Those reports turned out not to become reality. I hope the present situation is similar. A "bad scenario" could be Israel/Saudi Arabia trying to push the US into a war with Iran.)
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https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/17/596150/Trump-Iran-no-war

DJ-Reality is that there is a war between Iran and US-Saudi Arabia and Israel (USI). That war is fought in Yemen, Syria, Iraq (etc-one could claim that in Afghanistan IS is backed by USI, Taliban by ISI (Pakistan secret service). Iran is working with Russia, China, India-the last two have major interests in Iran oil and work on bases in (the Iran part of) Baluchistan-not far from the Pakistan border.

Israel is today hosting the finals of the Eurovision songcontest. Among the participants; Turkey, Russia, Australia, UK, France, etc. Last night https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/damascus-under-air-attack-air-defense-missiles-launching-sonic-booms-everywhere Israel attacked Iranian targets in Syria. (https://southfront.org/breaking-syrian-air-defense-intercept-aerial-targets-over-damascus-videos/ Syria claims Israel was only testing Syrian air defense. https://www.debka.com/mivzak/syrian-sources-we-shot-down-objects-coming-from-israel/)

The Eurovision song festival could be an oppertunity for a major false flag event. https://eurovision.tv/story/186-million-viewers-2018-eurovision-song-contest

Plans for over 200.000 US military in Saudi Arabia/Gulf States https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/saudi-led-gulf-states-approve-deployment-of-us-troops-in-the-gulf-region indicate the US is preparing for "major conflict".

Israel is giving China access to (buy) Ashdod-harbour, Saudi Arabia wants to by Russian S300/S400 airdefense missiles, Russian Railways building infrastructure. Both countries do want to be part of the New Silk Road-China trade initiative.

The idea of the US being the "only global superpower" is foolish. (Eur)Asia is the new superpower with at the center Russia and China, the EU and India (Pakistan, Turkey, Iran etc) working close with Eur-Asia integration.

The US can make changes by diplomacy-more war will push Eur-Asia-integration. https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201905181075107314-zaris-usa-doesnt-know-what-think/ The US seems to be split-Trump would like to move US forces out of the Middle East, Bolton wants war with Iran (a.o.)

https://sputniknews.com/world/201905181075104040-trade-talks-usa-china-stalled/ The trade war between the US and China is getting worse. (China and India are the world largest energy buyers-buying oil and gas from Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia/Gulf States often not in US$. The US is the largest oil producer, with Russia and Saudi Arabia being competitors, the global conflict is on who can dominate the global energy market.)https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/propaganda-intensifies-the-trade-war-with-china.html
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DJ-Hal Turner (behind paywall): Extremely High military Activity over Persian Gulf Saterday-updated 9.06 AM (EST-DJ) threat danger is reported quote "off the scale" UPDATE 10.51 AM FAA issues global pilot warning "military action" in Persian Gulf....https://www.rt.com/news/459679-us-iran-miscalculation-warning/

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/18/596260/Zarif-Iran-US-war-Beijing-IRNA-Trump

https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377:
The message:

“Bolton, Abrams and Pompeo should be fired at once. We do not have one ally in the entire world on our side who will help in this war. And if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz, our entire financial system implodes. This is the craziest and stupidest thing I have ever seen in my life. Donald should clean house and stop using sanctions in place of war or he may have the war that will destroy his presidency. This is not Afghanistan and Iraq. Just drop the sanctions against Iran and Venezuela and let it be.

Just as I warned about Venezuela happened. If we had done nothing they would have fallen. Now, it is Yankee go home and the people are rallied against the US. And we have succeeded in destroying all the moderates in Iran. You can't make such stupidity up like this.”

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/05/17/the-dead-dont-die-they-march-to-war:
Hysteria reigns supreme. As in the new Jim Jarmusch movie, The Dead Don’t Die, The Return of the Living Neocon Dead, in a trashy rerun of the lead-up to Shock and Awe in 2003, keeps orchestrating the zombie march.

Yet no one in war-cheerleading US corporate media talks about the quadrillion derivative crisis that will gut the global economy if there’s an attack on Iran (I addressed it here.) Shutting down the Strait of Hormuz will bring down the 2.5 quadrillion world derivative market, largely wiping out the economies of all Western nations.

DJ-Slowly I'm beginning to believe "there is a strong push for war" although who is behind that push ? The "B-team" (with Israel and KSA trying to move away when things get out of control ?)

https://www.sott.net/article/413277-US-Foreign-Policy-Has-Become-One-Giant-Relentless-Program-of-Psy-Ops:
To say the US conducts "foreign policy" is patently a misnomer. US policy is nothing short of low-intensity warfare against the whole planet. Its "foreign policy" is nothing more than a continuous program of psychological operations.
(DJ-It is unclear who is in control of the US army-the President or Bolton/Pompeo ????)

And than there is the South China Sea: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/459608-south-china-sea-military-iran/
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https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/19/596325/Saudi-Arabia-GCC-Arab-League-urgent-meetings-oil-tankers DJ-There have been attacks on oil installations of KSA/UAE for wich US/Saudi/Israel like to blame Iran-without any proof. https://www.rt.com/news/459707-saudi-arabia-strength-iran/

Insane stories like this https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/breaking-news-fire-at-chlorine-plant-in-new-jersey-may-have-been-iranian-terror-attack-intended-to-kill-thousands do not want any proof-just blame Iran (or Putin, NK, Cuba.....)

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/open-thread-2019-27.html#comments

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-18/americas-hostile-coexistence-china

DJ-The US made Iran-crisis can not be seperated from the (growing) US-China crisis. When you look at how the Saudi's are dealing with the war in Yemen-they are unable to win (even with US/UK/others help) the Saudi's could escalate that war by attacking Iran.

Also Israel is already (with US/NATO help) attacking Iran in Syria. The US getting out of the Iran-deal could give Israel an excuse to attack targets in Iran.

(DJ-There may already be "special forces" in Iran working with Kurdish, Baluchi and other seperatist groups to destabilize the Iran regime. I would not be surprised when Iran-already working with Turkey against Kurds in Iraq and Syria-invites "foreign powers"for "protection". India has interests in Iranian-Baluchistan, China is a main investor in Iranian oil. Russia has plans to improve connection with the Indian Ocean via Iran.

A possible scenario is the "Syria-scenario" with "the west" supporting "moderate rebels" (like KSA/Gulf States supporting IS) and a "civil war".
The US "protecting" the Iranians for usage of WMD/chemical weapons by the "bad regime".

In return Russia-Iran-China could go for the "spread choas strategy" in the US. Why not go for independence of California, Texas, Alaska ? Some US groups claim "Putin" made Trump win the elections. So when "Putin" is behind "all evil" already-why not make such claims reality ? If the US wants to destroy Russia and China with groups like IS etc. the US may expect a reaction.)
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DJ-A mortar was fired near the Bagdad "green zone" possibly damaging an aircraft museum 1 km away from the US embassy-if I (DJ) do get it correct.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/under-attack-u-s-embassy-in-baghdad-heavy-mortar-fire,
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-19/rocket-fired-toward-us-embassy-central-baghdad-explosion-reported,
https://iraq.liveuamap.com/en/2019/19-may-the-rocket-launch-pad-used-to-launch-a-rocket-against,
https://www.rt.com/news/459755-trump-iran-end-fight/,

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/iraq-reports-rocket-katyusha-attack-on-green-zone-without-casualties/, https://www.debka.com/mivzak/trump-warns-iran-of-ruin-if-it-starts-fight/, https://www.debka.com/mivzak/huge-explosions-reported-near-us-embassy-in-baghdads-green-zone/,
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/19/596378/US-embassy-baghdad-green-zone-rocket-katyusha-attack

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/19/596379/US-announces-start-of-GCCs-enhanced-security-patrols-in-Persian-Gulf-Iran,
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/19/596381/Yemen-Ansarullah-Saudi-Aramco-uae-attack-drone,
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/20/596383/Iran-US-Iraq-mediation-conflict-crisis-escalation


https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/19/596370/Israel-military-base-explosion-fire-Tel-HaShomer,
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/19/596375/Latakia-Kobani-Syria-chemical-weapons,
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/19/596366/UK-special-forces-Iran-Persian-Gulf

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/19/596363/Benjamin-Netanyahu-US-administration-hostility-Iran

DJ-To blame Iran for attacks by groups that do get (some) support of Iran, blame Yemeni forces fighting (inside) Saudi Arabia (against mercenaries, UAE/KSA forces and US/UK special forces a.o.), claim Syria-pro Assad forces use chemical weapons against "moderate al quaida linked terrorists (supported by UAE/KSA-some by Turkey) is not "de-escalation".
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201905201075144170-yemen-houthi-plan-attack-saudi-targets/

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-19/china-state-run-media-broadcasts-anti-american-movies-millions-amid-deepening-trade
DJ-Both Iran, Venezuela are main oil suppliers for China (and India). Iran and Venezuela https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-18/russia-announces-delivery-more-supplies-venezuelas-military are "frontlines" in a major US-China conflict.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-19/lawrence-wilkerson-warns-us-driving-down-highway-war-china

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-19/visualizing-countries-range-iranian-ballistic-missiles (DJ-Excluding firing Iran-missiles from Iraq or Syria)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-19/russia-grinds-out-wins-europe,
https://theduran.com/iran-and-why-it-would-be-insane-for-america-to-go-to-war-there/:Is Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard the only sane voice in both Houses of the US Congress?

DJ-Even the present moves by the US, trade war with China, proxy war with Iran, tensions with Russia, is moving Europe away from the US.

How does Trump think to Make America Great Again when even European allies move away from the US ?

Israel and Saudi Arabia/Gulf States is not a basis for US "world domination". Both also work with Russia and China-are in a balancing act using the US against Iran for their own political agenda.

The US is in a "middle-east tunnel vision" wich is damaging most of all the US.

When you look at the outcome of wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya it is Russia, China, Iran that are getting more global influence at the cost of the US. (And over a million people being killed since 2001, trillions of US$ wich are badly needed elsewere.)

For now most of the world do not know who is running the US. Trump or Bolton/Pompeo ? Words and actions do not match. Russia and China have a clear message, offer energy and trade. Their words match their actions.

Trust is a basis for international trade. It is the US that shows it can not be trusted. That will have a price.

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DJ-Anti-Iran-propaganda;

https://www.debka.com/rocket-attack-near-us-baghdad-embassy-had-irans-signature-trump-spurns-saudi-bid-for-us-strike-on-yemeni-houthis/,
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-announces-it-has-breached-nuclear-agreement-increased-uranium-enrichment-four-fold,
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/britain-tells-iran-do-not-provoke-the-united-states-or-trump-will-retaliate

(DJ-As a reminder, the US presence in Syria, Iraq is against international law. The Israeli airstrikes on/via Lebanon on Syria goes against international law. The KSA/US/UK genocide in Yemen https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/21/596473/Yemen-drone-Saudi-Arabia-Najran-airport is against international law (and getting out of control with Yemen now attacking targets in KSA for wich the KSA blames Iran.) etc.https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/20/596467/No-indication-of-Iran-threat-Trump-admits)

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/459820-trump-iran-twitter-threat-war/

Of course the US made Iran-crisis has everything to do with the US war on China. https://theduran.com/after-hammer-blow-from-google-a-paralyzed-huawei-scrambles-to-develop-its-own-operating-system/,
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-20/xi-sends-trump-message-rare-earth-export-ban-coming

DJ-What we can learn from the recent past is that EU-sanctions on Russia made Russia buy fruits in Turkey, Iran, China and grow their own. The outcome of the sanctions; https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-20/ukraines-comedian-turned-president-vows-first-task-end-war-donbass and http://thesaker.is/ukraine-will-be-able-to-restore-its-economy-only-by-cooperating-with-russia/.

No doubt HuaWei will find a way to create its own "google" for the global market. https://www.huawei.com/en/press-events/news/2019/5/huawei-invest-35million-euros-paris-openlab The EU does not follow US trade-war. The Eur-Asian market is the main market for high-tech. The most likely outcome-again-is that the US is shooting themselves-again-in the foot. https://www.rt.com/news/459840-huawei-google-/ (DJ-HuaWei is integrating its technology in Chinese aircraft, cars etc. With a large domestic market and access to many other markets HuaWei is in a stronger position than-most likely-most western tech companies. US sanctions on the EU, South Korea is pushing them towards working with China.)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-21/beijing-threatens-retaliation-accuses-us-bullying-blackmail-over-huawei

DJ-When does a trade war become a real war ? The US is "making difficult" for China to get energy from Iran and Venezuela. The US denies China's claim in the South China Sea. As others did warn earlier tradewars can escalate into real wars when someone (most likely the US or its allies) "make a wrong move".
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https://www.rt.com/news/459861-thousands-terrorists-concentrated-afghanistan/ DJ-Both IS and al queada are US proxy armies against China and Russia. They get there money via KSA/Gulf States (and in the past Turkey), weapons, cars etc. sometimes (Texas plumber) from the US.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-21/russian-fsb-chief-warns-terror-chemical-biological-attack-drones

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-21/xi-warns-prepare-new-long-march-beijing-braces-drawn-out-trade-fight,

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-20/chinas-nuclear-option-sell-us-treasurys-report-19-may,

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-21/china-trade-war-song-goes-viral-if-perpetrator-wants-fight-we-will-beat-him,

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-21/rare-earth-stocks-all-soar-limit-after-xis-threat,

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-21/losing-access-android-would-turn-huawei-phones-paperweights-analyst-warns,

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-21/no-talks-only-resistance-irans-rouhani-slams-door-trumps-call-me-overture and https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-21/blain-it-feels-shooting-match-imminent

DJ-Russia claiming a "jihadist army" is at its southern border, China is claiming the US is destroying China's high tech effort, Iran claiming there is no point in talking with (this) US....

Another spark can cause an explosion...https://www.debka.com/mivzak/houthis-claim-another-drone-attack-on-saudi-arabia/, https://www.debka.com/iran-to-boost-uranium-enrichment-fourfold-after-attacking-gulf-oil-infrastructure/,
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/21/596534/US-China-DHS-Drone...someone needs to de-escalate !

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/joint-chiefs-chairman-cancels-nato-trip-middle-east-iran-situation-on-edge

(DJ-Israel/KSA/US will not accept Iran restarting-possibly-their nuclear program. China/Russia will not accept US/Saudi/Israel attack on Iran. Iran could react on any attack by blocking main oil supplies, attacking Saudi israel, US targets.)
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https://www.debka.com/mivzak/putin-merkel-macron-confirm-further-trade-with-iran/, https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201905211075209012-putin-merkel-macron-commitment-cooperate-iran/ and https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/21/596558/Iran-France-mousavi-JCPOA-nuclear-deal-europe DJ-The UK (under May) is on the US side in the Iran-crisis, the EU (for the rest) is sticking to the Iran-deal. (In itself not new-the timing-with growing US pressure-indicates a coming break up of NATO ?)

https://theduran.com/xi-sends-trump-a-message-rare-earth-export-ban-is-coming/

https://sputniknews.com/military/201905221075212775-us-military-convoy-iraq/, https://www.debka.com/mivzak/us-continues-iraq-military-buildup-transfers-marines-from-jordan/ and https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201905221075212656-signs-syrian-government-chemical-weapons-state-department/
DJ-If the US is willing to start another major war in the Middle East they need a basis to work from. The KSA/Gulf States and Israel provide a first step (for as long as that lasts in the event of a major war).https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-21/pentagon-declares-victory-non-war-iran-put-attacks-hold

Eastern Syria, Jordan, some parts of Iraq and Afghanistan could be step two. Although when the US is moving to a war with Iran in these area's the US may find themselves already in a warzone.

https://southfront.org/isis-2-0-rise-in-central-asia-and-russia/ and https://southfront.org/us-nato-push-for-militarization-of-eastern-europe/ DJ-My speculation is that Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Iran and Pakistan may be working on "plans" for Afghanistan. The Kabul/Afghan government may invite that "Asia-coalition" to "stabilize" the country. (Even asking NATO to work with that coalition).
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-21/how-wests-war-libya-spurred-terrorism-14-countries

For eastern Europe developments in the Ukraine and Russian/Iran energy are two key-factors. Ukraine has become poorer than most North African countries and needs to do bussiness with Asia. Turkstream and Nordstream 1+2 mean less/no transport of Russian gas via/for Ukraine. Turkstream can bring Russian/Iran oil and gas-and income-to SE Europe. China is willing to invest in infrastructure. (For the moment the "war" in that area is diplomatic/economic. Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia did not see enough progress the last-pro western-years. They may welcome R-I-C investments more than US troops.)

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201905221075213320-china-us-trade-talks-committment/DJ-China-like NK and Iran-may have drawn the conclusion that-at present-the US is not willing to "be reasonable". Like NK and Iran China will go for plan "B". Work with the partner that you can work with.
Since that includes almost all of the world except the US building coalitions (SCO Eur-Asia-initiatives etc) with maybe special "attention" to strategic area's (Middle East-trying to move Israel, KSA, Gulf States more towards the SCO) and not stopping for US sabotage may be the best way forward.

DJ-The only way the US can stop Russia/China becoming the main global power is US agression-but the US knows they can not win that war. So the US may try to get time for "a best deal possible" without major damage.

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https://www.rt.com/news/460024-huawei-bannon-china-ban/ DJ-The US should remain the tech-leader in the world-policy. Proberbly the US knows perfectly how to use ICT to spy on countries, big data. They do not want China to be able to do what the US is already doing.

With the "upcoming markets" being in Asia, Africa, Latin America the "tech-trade-war" will be partly there. Self-driving cars, etc. HuaWei may be in a good position when "they can deliver better services for a lower price". (But it would be wise when "blocks" like the EU would go for their own high-tech-in my opinion-no matter what the costs are. Goes also for energy (less deals with Arab/Russia-standing on their own feet) and "defense" (The F35-JSF is already outdated, way to expensive, "we" as EU-should have a better idea.)https://russia-insider.com/en/science-tech/chinese-tech-giant-huawei-lean-mean-and-ready-knock-google-out-game/ri27101?fbclid=IwAR2XaReackXYGgZh1p1UKPBKpJETyEZR1dWpzEdXXxqe-MceNLd94Are8ac#.XOW6izsO7uA.facebook

https://www.rt.com/news/460038-iran-complete-control-us/ DJ-I did not see any news on Russia, China (or Turkey, Pakistan etc.) working more close with Iran in its "defense". (Maybe they do not see it yet as needed-the US is not ready for a major attack on Iran. Unless they would use ICBM's-in that scenario Russia and China can answer likewise.)

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Some further background info;

https://thebulletin.org/nuclear-risk/?utm_source=Bulletin%20newsletter&utm_medium=iContact%20email&utm_campaign=NuclearRiskCategory

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-22/russia-aims-exploit-africas-energy-potential

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-22/rand-corp-how-destroy-russia

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-23/trump-vs-world-jim-rickards-warns-will-get-ugly-fast

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/why-trumps-huawei-ban-is-unlikely-to-persist.html

https://southfront.org/houthis-release-rare-video-of-drone-attack-on-abu-dhabi-international-airport/

DJ-In my opinion the basic-main-conflict is between the US and China. Pressure on Iran is pressure on China. Other conflicts still can get out of control. The Pakistan-India conflict may pose the most danger.

Israel/KSA may take action-on their own-against Iran-force the US to react.

The Yemen conflict is more and more fought in Saudi Arabia, UAE. Pakistan, Sudan (and south American mercenaries) were on the KSA/UAE side. Now more US/UK forces seem to fight along KSA/UAE. Inflow of weapons (etc) from Iran to Yemen is very limited. Most likely the Houthi's manage to get their "goods" from forces they overtake. (Just like in other guerilla warfare Central America, SE Asia.)
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DJ-Some articles reflecting the Eur-Asian integration-underlining why (US) sanctions can not work.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/24/596744/Iran-Zarif-Pakistan-Chabahar-Gwadar-railroad-port (DJ-India is a main investor in Chabahar/Iran-Baluchistan)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-26/china-hails-modi-victory-why

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Pakistan_gas_pipeline,https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/oil-and-gas/undersea-pipeline-from-iran-can-bring-cheaper-gas-to-india-tnr-rao/60379977

To put this story https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-president-u-s-blocking-our-ships-from-all-countries-for-10-days in perspective-the US does not control the Caspian sea connecting Iran with Russia, or the land borders between Iran and Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraq-stands-by-iran-will-not-support-us-military-action-iraqi-fm/

Putting sanctions on Iran because the US is breaking the Iran-deal is absurd. Putting sanctions on countries that refuse to buy US energy (due to Northstream 1+2, Turkstream etc), US weapons (like the F35-JSF "corruption"-the SU35 is a better cheaper Russian alternative. Turkey-Russia working on the S-500) or US high tech (HuaWei is better but not US) belongs to criminal acts NOT decent international behavior.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-26/army-virtue-tweet-backfires-1000s-expose-heartbreaking-horrors-war
War is a crime against international law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket Making money via wars is a crime-the US is a criminal state. It is the US that was behind recent wars, but looking further back in history https://medium.com/@duplacer/hitler-was-financed-by-the-federal-reserve-and-the-bank-of-england-by-yuri-rubtsov-e972e3347f0e you have to look at who is planning, financing wars to stop wars.
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DJ-War is-always-a criminal act. A planned activity for the benefit of a few at the cost of many. https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1
The 1935 book by Major General Butler.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-27/war-and-young-americans

DJ-https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-28/iran-iraq-axis-sanity If there is to be a war against Iran a very likely scenario will be an invasion via Iraq.

Turkey-still a NATO-member- could be the key factor. https://southfront.org/turkey-invades-northern-iraq-in-counter-terrorism-operation-against-pkk/, https://southfront.org/military-situation-in-syria-on-may-28-2019-map-update/ and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkish-backed-rebels-execute-special-needs-child-in-northwest-aleppo/

DJ-Turkey-for now-with the help of Iran is fighting the Kurds in Iraq. Turkey is also sending reinforcements to its rebels in Idlib NW Syria. For now-Turkey is against US help for the Kurds-for as long as that may last. Also Turkey and Israel-for now-are almost enemies. Turkey and Saudi Arabia are in conflict over who is leading the Islamic world.

When you look over a longer period; Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel were working together with "the west" and other Gulf States, Pakistan for regime change in Syria. The present break up may be just a smoke screen.

A possible scenario could be Turkey making Iran getting in (further) conflict with the Kurds in Syria, Iraq. Then Turkey blaming Iran for agression against Turkey (Kurds in Turkey ?) and (trying to) get NATO behind a Saudi/Gulf States, US/Turkey plan for war against Iran.

Pakistan was a long term ally of Saudi Arabia. The present crisis with the US, good relations with China, maybe could be "turned over" (blocking the New Silk Road for China-that is what the US made crisis over Iran is all about. Russia has-for now- also good relations with Iran wich gives Russia-via the Caspian Sea-better connections with the Indian Ocean. For now Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan could get control over Afghanistan, Lebanon-a strategic nightmare for "the west/US").

A war with Iran will become a bloodbath with millions of people killed. The goal of this "investment" would be western control over energy, Asia.
The idea would be to let the fighting be done by Pakistan, Turkey, (Egypt just like Pakistan hired by KSA/Gulf States).

The regime change goals for Syria would also be welcomed. (Of course claiming that Saudi Arabia/Gulf States can bring democracy to Iran is insane-but most likely what the western "press" will spread.)

How likely is this scenario ?
-The US can not accept being pushed to second position by Russia and China. The US is willing to go for all out conflict-the alternative is the US as a "third world country" (like Brazil).
-Turkey and Pakistan changing sides now would bring them in conflict with Russia and China. (For the US that is not a problem, very welcome). Both countries have to make up their mind on who's side they are on. They can be manipulated into conflict(s) by not choosing sides.
-Israel has good relations with the US, Russia and China. An open war with Iran will be the end of Israel. So via covert action (supporting the Kurds, jihadi's, working with KSA in intel etc) Israel can be a main player trying to benefit of a major conflict (DJ-It may even claim to be "neutral" in a war with Iran while in secret via cyberattacks, proxies etc be the main enemy of Iran. For the propaganda "peacefull Israel trying to limit the conflicts" would do well.)
-Russia and China are well aware that the SW Asia "underbelly" is the main front for the New Silk Road. Loosing the battle there would-at best-limit their plans-but most likely open the doors for regime change in Moscow and Bejing-the west/US trying to break up Russia and China into "small states like Yugoslavia was broken up".
-The US is unable to go into open conflict with the many enemies they created; from Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela to Libya, Syria, Yemen, North Korea, Russia, China etc. The "only superpower" did get overstretched and faces collapse. (Like a supernova trying to dominate before exploding).

DJ-There are other scenario's possible. The Pakistan-India conflict had a CIA role (by the CIA funding Pakistan Sunni terrorism against India). Breaking up Pakistan would also disrupt the New Silk Road and destabilize Iran (trying to get Baluchistan, Kurdistan seperate from Iran)

Another scenario is that the US is unable to make much difference against Russia-China plans. It is already to late with the EU, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan out of much US control. Any US action only may slow down the proces and change the balance a little (the EU as a more serios equal partner with Russia and China instead of "a toy to play with-divided EU".)

At "best"-there may be an end of conflicts in Africa/Asia but the price may be Russia/China becoming the major global players. At worst we may face "the last global war".
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DJ-several frontlines;

Middle East/SW Asia;https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/covert-intel-there-has-been-an-incident-in-the-gulf-of-oman (DJ-No confirmation so far elsewere-may be false flag/false claim/fake news-on the other hand it is likely that there will be "incidents" between US and Iran in the "Iran region". "Israel/KSA/Gulf States may play a role in creating incidents-acting like or US or Iran putting the other(s) on the wrong foot.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-russian-air-force-unleashes-heavy-attack-across-southwestern-idlib/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraqi-forces-reinforce-syrian-border-city-amid-iranian-us-turmoil/
DJ-Allthough not very likely that Turkey goes back to the US side there is a crisis in Syria over Idlib between Russia and Turkey. Turkey may be willing to give up support for Turkish backed "groups" in Idlib when Russia is willing to support Turkey (and Iran) against the Kurds ???

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/31/597352/Iraq-Iran-Mecca-Meeting-PGCC-Saudi-king-salman-Salih Mecca-meeting with KSA trying to get support for war with Iran.

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13284&start=40

https://sputniknews.com/military/201905311075494623-usa-turkey-completion-pentagon/ DJ-Turkey in NATO why ???

East Asia; https://www.rt.com/news/460689-malaysia-mh17-no-evidence/ related to https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/05/china-competition-loom-key-defence-gathering-190530051325632.html (DJ-China-US battle over Asia-Singapore meeting )
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-30/new-satellite-imagery-reveals-chinese-navy-simulating-invasion-taiwan DJ-This "news" is part of a propaganda war-still China could-as a last resort-start a war with Taiwan when the US keeps pushing for war. (Most likely that China-Taiwan war would be part of a much wider conflict.)
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World War 3 appears to be underway, and in a way nobody expected. It's an economic war. China is control of 90% of rare minerals, of which we need for manufacturing and drugs, and they are on brink of cutting us off. This economic war of tariffs (and more) is going to have a very bad outcome.
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Albert, there was an economic war between the US and Japan prior to Pearl Harbour. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan%E2%80%93United_States_relations#1937%E2%80%931941

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/china-uses-war-words-tells-usa-don-t-say-we-didn-t-warn-you, https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/05/article/far-from-quiet-on-the-us-vs-russia-china-front/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Economic_Union

What the US/Trump does not seem to understand that the US was and is the major push factor for China's rise to superpower. First 20/30 years ago by "outsourcing cheap labour" to China now by putting sanctions on even long term US allies that do deals with Russia, Iran, China.

What the US should be doing is have the right people flying all over the planet making good offers to do deals with the US. Now you see idiots like pompeo and bolton making threats and insults.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/460674-freedom-gas-fracking-propaganda/, https://www.rt.com/news/460735-us-bullying-36-countries/.

"We" in the EU are almost forced to buy US LNG (or Arab oil/gas) face sanctions for buying oil/gas from Russia or Iran. "We"in the EU are forced-as NATO members to buy F35-JSF, US weapons etc. "We" in the EU see a US breaking international treaties from climate, Iran-deal to trade. "We" have to put sanctions on Russia, Iran, deal with refugees due to US wars....when you look at EU politics more and more groups want "other relations" with the US (and better relations with Asia-our "next door mega-market").

The main breaking point could be (after the brexit) between the EU and the US-not between the US and China.
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-israel-claims-two-missiles-fired-from-damascus-area-have-struck-northern-israel and https://www.debka.com/two-syrian-rockets-or-shells-fired-at-israeli-hermon-positions/

DJ-Israel will attack Iranian targets in Syria. The targets in "Israel" are in the Golan heights-international seen as occupied by Israel part of Syria.
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In reaction to "?" (The US-Israel most likely blame Iran-they also consider Golan Heights as Israeli-the rest of the world has a different view) https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/update-suspected-israeli-attack-kills-3-syrian-army-soldiers/ and https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/06/02/597530/Syria-Israel-missile-attack

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-01/former-obama-officials-helping-iran-outmaneuver-united-states

DJ-I am not anti Israel or anti-US. Most people in the US are strongly against another war-even more will be against a global war. You are not helping Israel by agreeing on everything it does. Israel would be better of with good relations with its neighbours-the US is not helping in that.
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/05/30/597274/Jordan-Palestine-Israel-Jared-Kushner

The US is helping global terrorism by helping Saudi Arabia https://www.voltairenet.org/article206544.html :
The Saudi official television channel, Al-Arabiya, announced on February 1, 2014, that Daesh was led by Prince Abdul Rahman al-Faisal (brother of the foreign minister at the time).


Following the President Donald Trump’s speech in Riyad, Saudi Arabia withdrew its support for the jihadist organizations. However, we saw with the "Movement for Faith" case, called by the British propaganda, "Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army", that Saudi Arabia was leading the Rohingya terrorism in Myanmar in 2017. Since, a lot of unverified informations indicate a Riyadh’s takeover of the jihadists.

https://www.voltairenet.org/article206359.html Deash and alqueida find new warzones (strong links with CIA-main targets are countries that do deals with Russia and China.)

(https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-31/jaw-dropping-speech-malaysian-pm-says-no-evidence-russia-shot-down-mh17 DJ-Saudi Arabia is supposed to have played a role in that as well by coordinating-with others-from an AWACS-plane south of Ukraine.)

As I wrote yesterday-the US is pushing "the world" towards Russia-Iran-China. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-01/trump-declares-trade-war-india-imposes-new-tariffs
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201906021075546083-china-defence-minister-vows-fight-usa-trade-taiwan/
https://sputniknews.com/us/201906021075544264-mexican-president-tightening-migration/

DJ-The trend in US foreign policy has been-for several years-to loose alies-it seems to be speeding up, going faster. From Pakistan, Turkey, Phillipines under Obama Trump is managing to worsen relations with "the rest of the world" by tarifs, sanctions, insults and threats. Trump has made US politics become destructive for the US.

(No need for NK, Iran, Russia, China or many others to start a war against the US-the US is a DIY self destructive nation with mass shootings on a daily bases and a major drug/health crisis.)

https://www.globalresearch.ca/support-mh17-truth-osce-monitors-identify-shrapnel-like-holes-indicating-shelling-no-firm-evidence-of-a-missile-attack/5394324 (DJ-Again Russia is not a saint-but the investigation in this mass murder has become a political "blame Russia-game" not interested in what is most likely (Ukraine benifited of the MH17 downing) but in "blaming Putin". If such a disaster would happen now the "west" would blame Iran ?)
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DJ-Using an (unclear) report https://www.debka.com/two-syrian-rockets-or-shells-fired-at-israeli-hermon-positions/ of two "explosions" in the occupied Golan Heights (under international law NOT part of Israel) are an excuse for Israel for (large scale) attacks on Syria.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-02/10-pro-assad-forces-killed-major-overnight-israeli-airstrikes, https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/t4-base-in-syria-under-attack-now, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrias-t-4-airbase-comes-under-attack-likely-israeli-strikes/

In the mean time;https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-houthi-forces-unleash-big-missile-attack-on-saudi-coalition-bases-in-southern-yemen/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-houthi-forces-fire-ballistic-missiles-into-southern-saudi-arabia/

DJ-Both "fronts" may be related with https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/massive-syrian-army-convoy-heads-to-northeast-latakia-for-kabani-offensive/ the operations to deal with (western backed) jihadi terrorists in NW Syria.

(No doubt that both Israel-military integrated-though not member-in nato and KSA are operating with full US/UK/Nato support).

Maybe "large scale western military action in Syria and Yemen" may be seen as putting pressure on Russia-Iran-China. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-02/escobar-warns-its-far-quiet-us-vs-russia-china-front

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/cnn-sees-saudi-success-in-disunited-gulf-summits-that-made-no-new-statements.html:
Said differently - the two summits Anderson is so exited about were nothingburgers. Their statements were similar to the once made before and the GCC and the Arab League still lack the capacity to act together on any serious issue. That they call on outsiders to tackle Iran says all one needs to know. The OIC summit was outright hostile to the U.S. and Saudi plans for the destruction of Palestine.

As long as U.S. media deliver such bad 'analysis' of foreign state positions, the policies derived from it will continue to be unrealistic.

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DJ-Failing politics for decades-supporting a rich elite-make the US more and more a third world country. (With 25% of all global prisoners in US prisons, the US in the same list as China, Iran, KSA for death penalties, life expectency and healthcare better in Cuba than in the US.)
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DJ-With the re-opening of the Iraq-Syria-Lebanon oil pipeline (somehow most likely also to be used by Iran) the "West" has lost all points for their confrontation policy in the Middle East. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-09/most-crucial-pipeline-middle-east

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-sends-new-warning-to-u-s-whoever-starts-a-war-with-us-will-not-be-the-one-who-finishes-it and https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-israel-to-be-attacked-tomorrow-with-chemical-weapons
DJ-Still the US/west "elite" may push for war.

https://southfront.org/us-creates-conditions-at-refugee-camps-enabling-terrorists-return-to-syria/, https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/syria-western-media-glorification-of-syrian-jihadist-is-a-sign-that-the-war-is-far-from-its-end.html DJ-The "west" keeps supporting IS, alquaida etc. against Assad (Russia-Iran-China) (with Turkey-again-supporting jihadi's in NW Syria.)

https://www.rt.com/news/461557-us-tariff-bullying-tactics/, https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-10/pepe-escobar-unipolar-moment-over

DJ-The US no longer being the "superpower in control of the world" is a major change with far reaching consequences-both for the US and the world.
The US answer of more military overstretching is "unwise" and will damage the US. Diplomacy, good trade deals (the US could be a "better partner"for China than Russia) could make the US stronger.

Also the position the US did choose-under Trump-almost identifying with Israel-leaves little room for "deals" (and is not in the best interest of Israel either-on the longer term Israel will do deals with Russia, China and some Arab states (Jordan, KSA, Egypt)

Eventhough Russia and China will try to avoid a major open conflict with the US the present "situation" can bring conflict in almost every part of the globe.
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DJ-There is a major crisis unfolding-updates at;

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/two-oil-tanker-ships-attacked-and-reported-sunk-in-gulf-of-oman

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13300&sid=a03814ade8345d2998deaa08c6213d66&start=50

DJ-Attacks on oil transport in the Gulf of Oman endangers western oil supply.

https://www.rt.com/news/461758-zarif-tanker-attack-suspicious/
DJ-The attacks coincided with PM Abe of Japan visiting Iran. https://www.debka.com/khamenei-slaps-america-in-the-face-by-refusing-to-receive-trump-message-from-abe/

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/false-flag-iran-has-little-gain-oman-tanker-attacks

https://www.rt.com/news/461749-assange-uk-extradition-us/
DJ-Sending Assange to the US can start a "cyber action" and mass release of "secrets".

https://sputniknews.com/interviews/201906131075835948-pakistan-imran-khan-russia-india-iran-exclusive/ (DJ-Pakistan moving further away from US/nato) https://www.rt.com/news/461770-idlib-russia-airstrike-turkey-terrorists/ Turkey and Russia cooperating in NW Syria against western backed terrorists.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/todays-attacks-on-ships-in-the-gulf-of-oman-are-not-in-irans-interest.html#more update

DJ-For now oil/energy prices will be effected. Further escalation seems very likely (?). Will the US blame Iran openly ? Will the US or KSA/UAE attack Iranian positions in the Gulf ?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/uk-maritime-group-warns-incident-gulf-oman-190613054602630.html Al Jazeera is Qatar-based. Qatar has both-a very major US air base AND Iranian, Turkish soldiers protecting Qatar from KSA. Qatar and Iran exploit some oil/gas fields jointly.

(Just like HT maybe not the best source, still http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2896.htm:
A gravely worded new Ministry of Defense (MoD) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that President Putin has just placed all Russian military forces on “Full Combat Alert”—a war stance last ordered in June-2014 when the Russian peoples in Ukraine came under direct threat—and which comes six months after Putin’s ominous warning that “the United States is raising the risk of nuclear war”—with the reason for this occurring being the unprovoked torpedoing of two oil tankers by an “unspecified state actor” while they were sailing in international waters off the coast of Iran in the Gulf of Oman.
(According to some comments one of the attacked ships had a Russian crew.)
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https://www.rt.com/news/461821-us-destroyer-tankers-incident/, https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/us-claims-smoking-gun-video-evidence-irans-navy-handling-mine-tanker-hull

DJ-I do not believe Iran was behind the attack on the tankers in the Gulf of Oman. When the US is thinking of further escalation they need more support than just Israel and a few Gulf States.

Even https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13300&start=70 most members do not agree-for now-with the US claims.

https://www.rt.com/news/461819-clark-serbia-kosovo-russia/ The US is putting extra military in Poland, Balkan (SE Europe)-confronting Russia. The US seems to be unable to have decent talks with China, Iran...

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/seven-reasons-to-be-highly-skeptical-of-the-gulf-of-oman-incident-48958389f53e?fbclid=IwAR3k3IdyDZDqRDXlvgP1zW3B9UN7h5NaIiXJQNWpgca4UiCZDs8UC8p2s5I

(DJ-It is very unlikely that Iran would attack a ship with a-partly-Russian crew during the visit of Japan PM Abe to Iran. Iran has a few-very highly monitored-submarines. Any sea-mines would have been detected by other shipping. For now it looks like some sort of false flag by the US-Saudi-Israel coalition.)

https://southfront.org/cruise-missile-strike-on-saudi-airport-marks-start-of-new-round-of-escalation-in-middle-east/ DJ-If Yemen forces were behind an attack most likely they would destroy the port, refineries etc.
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https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201906141075859308-iran-urges-us-allies-stop-false-flag-ops/, https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377:
REMEMBER BELGRADE

Attacking a Japanese-owned ship tanker while Japan's PM is in Tehran talking to Ayatollah Khamenei trying to defuse US warmongering...

EQUALS

...Bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade by NATO after Beijing forcefully protested against US bombing of Serbia.

and

Meanwhile, in a civilized Eurasia environment...

CRUCIAL image - right before the start of the SCO summit in Bishkek. The bilateral went very well. Xi sounded very conciliatory - perhaps a notch above Modi. There's a serious effort by Putin and Xi to make Modi see the light re: deeper cooperation inside SCO and BRICS.

DJ-India bying Russian weapons, Iran oil (maybe not in the open) sitting down at the https://thediplomat.com/2019/06/the-shanghai-cooperation-organization-summit-kicks-off-in-bishkek/ The false flag attacks in the Gulf of Oman-just before the SCO meeting may be meant to send a (US) message to that SCO.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation: Iran has observer status in the organisation, and applied for full membership on 24 March 2008.[22] However, because it was under sanctions levied by the United Nations at the time, it was blocked from admission as a new member. The SCO stated that any country under UN sanctions could not be admitted.[23] After the UN sanctions were lifted, Chinese president Xi Jinping announced its support for Iran's full membership in SCO during a state visit to Iran in January 2016.[24]

Another note;And BBG's Javier Blas pointed out that should Iran be found responsible, it would be a strange turn of events since the Front Altair is owned by John Frederiksen, the owner of the Frontline Tanker company, who moved oil for Iran during the "tanker war" with Iraq.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/2-tankers-damaged-after-suspected-torpedo-attack-near-strait-hormuz-oil-soars

https://www.rt.com/news/461841-zarif-oman-tanker-iran-attack/ and
https://www.rt.com/news/461845-kokuka-owner-rejects-mine-attack/; The Japanese company that owns the ‘Kokuka Courageous’ tanker has said its crew spotted “flying objects” before the attack in the Gulf of Oman, contradicting US claims that the vessel was damaged by a naval mine.
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https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/06/14/598490/Iran-Rouhani-world-stability-trump-SCO-Summit DJ-Yesterday Gulf of Oman attacks, today Iran at SCO meeting....no coincident.

https://www.rt.com/news/461873-iran-attack-oman-blame-war/ Cui bono ? Who does have interest in the Oman attacks ?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-14/dire-straits-oman
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/video-proof-iran-caught-red-handed-removing-mis-fired-mine-from-ship-hull-in-gulf-of-oman (DJ-The comments may be more intelligent than HT-this time.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_G20_Osaka_summit 28-29 june will see the G20 in Osaka-Japan. The SCO (a.o.) is getting much more important than the "old" G20.

http://thesaker.is/why-trump-now-wants-talks-with-iran/
Iran has the global economy "under control" by controling the Strait of Hormuz.
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From http://thesaker.is/why-trump-now-wants-talks-with-iran/:

An American source said a series of studies hit President Trump’s desk and caused panic in Washington. These showed that in the case of the Strait of Hormuz being shut down, whatever the reason, Iran has the power to hammer the world financial system, by causing global trade in derivatives to be blown apart.

The Bank for International Settlements said last year that the “notional amount outstanding for derivatives contracts” was $542 trillion, although the gross market value was put at just $12.7 trillion. Others suggest it is $1.2 quadrillion or more.

Tehran has not voiced this “nuclear option” openly. And yet General Qasem Soleimani, head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps’ Quds Force and a Pentagon bête noire, evoked it in internal Iranian discussions. The information was duly circulated to France, Britain and Germany, the EU-3 members of the Iran nuclear deal (or Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action), also causing a panic.

Oil derivative specialists know well that if the flow of energy in the Gulf is blocked it could lead to the price of oil reaching $200 a barrel, or much higher over an extended period. Crashing the derivatives market would create an unprecedented global depression. Trump’s former Goldman Sachs Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin should know as much.

And Trump himself seems to have given the game away. He’s now on the record essentially saying that Iran has no strategic value to the US. According to the American source: “He really wants a face-saving way to get out of the problem his advisers Bolton and Pompeo got him into. Washington now needs a face-saving way out. Iran is not asking for meetings. The US is.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-14/putin-xi-take-swipe-trump-during-russia-meeting-boast-about-new-era-cooperation, https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/06/14/598536/Iran-Russia-putin-Rouhani-energy-investment-sanctions

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-navy-surrounding-bombed-oil-ship-refusing-to-allow-it-to-be-moved-or-inspected (DJ The ships are close to Iran-waters, maybe accept an Iran-role in dealing with it. Who is the US to claim those ships ?)
Israeli claims on Iran weapons https://www.debka.com/__trashed-4/

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/false-flag-intro-world-war-3-tanker-attacks:
Most wars in the past 100 years have been started with a ‘spark’ which might be assassination, attacking of a ship, or bombing of Pearl Harbor.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-14/army-major-ret-why-americas-no-fault-generals-wont-save-us-next-war

DJ-Just like the US-Saudi-Israel coalition can escalate "pressure on Iran" "for a new nuclear deal" Iran (with Russia, China) can "escalate pressure" on the US (and EU),

Long term energy deals-as far as I (DJ) know can go with fixed prices not in US$. Russia can sign a contract with China to deliver a given amount of oil/gas at a certain price for a certain period. Iran can do the same with India, China, Turkey. Blocking the Hermuz strait would then do most damage to those not under long term energy contracts.

Another major factor for now is what will Pakistan, India, Turkey (etc) do ? Move even closer to Russia-Iran-China ? (Like Turkey working with Iran against the Kurds in Iraq, working with Russia on a new S500. DJ-Turkey still in NATO is getting a problem. What when Turkey wants NATO art5 help against Kurds or Israel for the Cyprus gas/oil fields-conflict.)

Afghanistan, Iraq, (just like Iran, Syria, Turkey) could join the SCO or another Russia/China project. The US would get in a very "hard" position keeping forces there. The EU (without the UK with boris johnson as a new problem) needs Russian/Iran energy and China market.

The conflict is not over Iran but over who is in charge of the globe, the US needs another way of dealing with this conflict. Or lose it.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/iran-decided-to-put-maximum-pressure-on-trump-here-is-how-it-will-do-it.html (DJ-Again-I do not think Iran was behind the recent attacks for two reasons:
1. They need their own oil to be able to get exported, that is difficult enough. Irans economy is in very bad shape. 2. Iran needs allies. Iraq, Qatar also need free trade routes-but also when India, China wants to buy oil it is not very wise to damage transport routes.

KSA, Israel may be feeling backed by the US/CIA to do thes false flag attacks-their economy may have room for it. Another possible "force" could be Yemen-Houthi's or Kurds (blaming KSA/UAE for supporting IS).

Iran may have been behind some terrorist attacks (like killing people behind terrorist attacks in Iran getting asylum in the EU), may have the means-can be interested in pushing up oil prices-but blocking oil export is a last means.)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-16/did-b-team-overplay-its-hand-iran, https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-17/irans-uk-ambassador-unfortunately-we-are-heading-towards-confrontation-us
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/iran-to-exceed-some-nuclear-deal-limits-eu-under-pressure-to-fulfill-its-commitments.html

DJ-The basic conflict is on "who runs the planet" the US/west or Russia-China.

For the US it is a major problem that 5 billion of the 7,2 billion people live in EurAsia. More and more trade and transport is over land (from railways to pipelines). The US has a major strenght at sea and in the air-but for the (trade)wars that is not very helpfull.

Meanwhile both Israel and Saudi Arabia/Gulf States have a "double signal". They want the US to move towards (almost) conflict with Iran (and with that China, India). On the other hand both are doing major deals with Russia and China.

DJ-I think the US (and UK under boris johnson) may think twice before getting into major conflict. History tells that moving into such a conflict is an effective way of losing an empire. (The UK lost India, the Dutch Indonesia, France, Belgium their colonies after W.W.2).

As a bussinessman trump should know that talks-not wars-are the way to deal with conflicts.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-18/declassified-sino-russian-masterplan-end-us-dominance-middle-east

DJ-Good, long, read. Qatar having talks both with Iran and KSA/UAE. Iran and Turkey further cooperating. A.o. against the Kurds for now in the Iran/Turkey border area and north Iraq. (DJ-no doubt Syria will be next-even with the US trying to control (with IS) the Kurds.

Russia and China, Turkey going for oil deals with Iran outside the US$. Sometimes Iran-oil will be "Iraqi" for international trade reasons.

DJ-Iran does not want Russian, Chinese, or any other (major) foreign presence in Iran. Most likely advisors, trainers and security for Gazprom, China, India oil facilities are welcome.

China and Russia will not accept any plan for regime change in Iran. But also want to keep Iran under control in Syria (and Iraq). DJ-Iran, Pakistan may become the major players in Afghanistan.

The US is losing ground in the Middle East high speed !
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