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https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201906141075859308-iran-urges-us-allies-stop-false-flag-ops/, https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377:
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Attacking a Japanese-owned ship tanker while Japan's PM is in Tehran talking to Ayatollah Khamenei trying to defuse US warmongering...

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...Bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade by NATO after Beijing forcefully protested against US bombing of Serbia.

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Meanwhile, in a civilized Eurasia environment...

CRUCIAL image - right before the start of the SCO summit in Bishkek. The bilateral went very well. Xi sounded very conciliatory - perhaps a notch above Modi. There's a serious effort by Putin and Xi to make Modi see the light re: deeper cooperation inside SCO and BRICS.

DJ-India bying Russian weapons, Iran oil (maybe not in the open) sitting down at the https://thediplomat.com/2019/06/the-shanghai-cooperation-organization-summit-kicks-off-in-bishkek/ The false flag attacks in the Gulf of Oman-just before the SCO meeting may be meant to send a (US) message to that SCO.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation: Iran has observer status in the organisation, and applied for full membership on 24 March 2008.[22] However, because it was under sanctions levied by the United Nations at the time, it was blocked from admission as a new member. The SCO stated that any country under UN sanctions could not be admitted.[23] After the UN sanctions were lifted, Chinese president Xi Jinping announced its support for Iran's full membership in SCO during a state visit to Iran in January 2016.[24]

Another note;And BBG's Javier Blas pointed out that should Iran be found responsible, it would be a strange turn of events since the Front Altair is owned by John Frederiksen, the owner of the Frontline Tanker company, who moved oil for Iran during the "tanker war" with Iraq.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/2-tankers-damaged-after-suspected-torpedo-attack-near-strait-hormuz-oil-soars

https://www.rt.com/news/461841-zarif-oman-tanker-iran-attack/ and
https://www.rt.com/news/461845-kokuka-owner-rejects-mine-attack/; The Japanese company that owns the ‘Kokuka Courageous’ tanker has said its crew spotted “flying objects” before the attack in the Gulf of Oman, contradicting US claims that the vessel was damaged by a naval mine.
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https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/06/14/598490/Iran-Rouhani-world-stability-trump-SCO-Summit DJ-Yesterday Gulf of Oman attacks, today Iran at SCO meeting....no coincident.

https://www.rt.com/news/461873-iran-attack-oman-blame-war/ Cui bono ? Who does have interest in the Oman attacks ?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-14/dire-straits-oman
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/video-proof-iran-caught-red-handed-removing-mis-fired-mine-from-ship-hull-in-gulf-of-oman (DJ-The comments may be more intelligent than HT-this time.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_G20_Osaka_summit 28-29 june will see the G20 in Osaka-Japan. The SCO (a.o.) is getting much more important than the "old" G20.

http://thesaker.is/why-trump-now-wants-talks-with-iran/
Iran has the global economy "under control" by controling the Strait of Hormuz.
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From http://thesaker.is/why-trump-now-wants-talks-with-iran/:

An American source said a series of studies hit President Trump’s desk and caused panic in Washington. These showed that in the case of the Strait of Hormuz being shut down, whatever the reason, Iran has the power to hammer the world financial system, by causing global trade in derivatives to be blown apart.

The Bank for International Settlements said last year that the “notional amount outstanding for derivatives contracts” was $542 trillion, although the gross market value was put at just $12.7 trillion. Others suggest it is $1.2 quadrillion or more.

Tehran has not voiced this “nuclear option” openly. And yet General Qasem Soleimani, head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps’ Quds Force and a Pentagon bête noire, evoked it in internal Iranian discussions. The information was duly circulated to France, Britain and Germany, the EU-3 members of the Iran nuclear deal (or Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action), also causing a panic.

Oil derivative specialists know well that if the flow of energy in the Gulf is blocked it could lead to the price of oil reaching $200 a barrel, or much higher over an extended period. Crashing the derivatives market would create an unprecedented global depression. Trump’s former Goldman Sachs Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin should know as much.

And Trump himself seems to have given the game away. He’s now on the record essentially saying that Iran has no strategic value to the US. According to the American source: “He really wants a face-saving way to get out of the problem his advisers Bolton and Pompeo got him into. Washington now needs a face-saving way out. Iran is not asking for meetings. The US is.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-14/putin-xi-take-swipe-trump-during-russia-meeting-boast-about-new-era-cooperation, https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/06/14/598536/Iran-Russia-putin-Rouhani-energy-investment-sanctions

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-navy-surrounding-bombed-oil-ship-refusing-to-allow-it-to-be-moved-or-inspected (DJ The ships are close to Iran-waters, maybe accept an Iran-role in dealing with it. Who is the US to claim those ships ?)
Israeli claims on Iran weapons https://www.debka.com/__trashed-4/

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/false-flag-intro-world-war-3-tanker-attacks:
Most wars in the past 100 years have been started with a ‘spark’ which might be assassination, attacking of a ship, or bombing of Pearl Harbor.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-14/army-major-ret-why-americas-no-fault-generals-wont-save-us-next-war

DJ-Just like the US-Saudi-Israel coalition can escalate "pressure on Iran" "for a new nuclear deal" Iran (with Russia, China) can "escalate pressure" on the US (and EU),

Long term energy deals-as far as I (DJ) know can go with fixed prices not in US$. Russia can sign a contract with China to deliver a given amount of oil/gas at a certain price for a certain period. Iran can do the same with India, China, Turkey. Blocking the Hermuz strait would then do most damage to those not under long term energy contracts.

Another major factor for now is what will Pakistan, India, Turkey (etc) do ? Move even closer to Russia-Iran-China ? (Like Turkey working with Iran against the Kurds in Iraq, working with Russia on a new S500. DJ-Turkey still in NATO is getting a problem. What when Turkey wants NATO art5 help against Kurds or Israel for the Cyprus gas/oil fields-conflict.)

Afghanistan, Iraq, (just like Iran, Syria, Turkey) could join the SCO or another Russia/China project. The US would get in a very "hard" position keeping forces there. The EU (without the UK with boris johnson as a new problem) needs Russian/Iran energy and China market.

The conflict is not over Iran but over who is in charge of the globe, the US needs another way of dealing with this conflict. Or lose it.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/iran-decided-to-put-maximum-pressure-on-trump-here-is-how-it-will-do-it.html (DJ-Again-I do not think Iran was behind the recent attacks for two reasons:
1. They need their own oil to be able to get exported, that is difficult enough. Irans economy is in very bad shape. 2. Iran needs allies. Iraq, Qatar also need free trade routes-but also when India, China wants to buy oil it is not very wise to damage transport routes.

KSA, Israel may be feeling backed by the US/CIA to do thes false flag attacks-their economy may have room for it. Another possible "force" could be Yemen-Houthi's or Kurds (blaming KSA/UAE for supporting IS).

Iran may have been behind some terrorist attacks (like killing people behind terrorist attacks in Iran getting asylum in the EU), may have the means-can be interested in pushing up oil prices-but blocking oil export is a last means.)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-16/did-b-team-overplay-its-hand-iran, https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-17/irans-uk-ambassador-unfortunately-we-are-heading-towards-confrontation-us
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/iran-to-exceed-some-nuclear-deal-limits-eu-under-pressure-to-fulfill-its-commitments.html

DJ-The basic conflict is on "who runs the planet" the US/west or Russia-China.

For the US it is a major problem that 5 billion of the 7,2 billion people live in EurAsia. More and more trade and transport is over land (from railways to pipelines). The US has a major strenght at sea and in the air-but for the (trade)wars that is not very helpfull.

Meanwhile both Israel and Saudi Arabia/Gulf States have a "double signal". They want the US to move towards (almost) conflict with Iran (and with that China, India). On the other hand both are doing major deals with Russia and China.

DJ-I think the US (and UK under boris johnson) may think twice before getting into major conflict. History tells that moving into such a conflict is an effective way of losing an empire. (The UK lost India, the Dutch Indonesia, France, Belgium their colonies after W.W.2).

As a bussinessman trump should know that talks-not wars-are the way to deal with conflicts.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-18/declassified-sino-russian-masterplan-end-us-dominance-middle-east

DJ-Good, long, read. Qatar having talks both with Iran and KSA/UAE. Iran and Turkey further cooperating. A.o. against the Kurds for now in the Iran/Turkey border area and north Iraq. (DJ-no doubt Syria will be next-even with the US trying to control (with IS) the Kurds.

Russia and China, Turkey going for oil deals with Iran outside the US$. Sometimes Iran-oil will be "Iraqi" for international trade reasons.

DJ-Iran does not want Russian, Chinese, or any other (major) foreign presence in Iran. Most likely advisors, trainers and security for Gazprom, China, India oil facilities are welcome.

China and Russia will not accept any plan for regime change in Iran. But also want to keep Iran under control in Syria (and Iraq). DJ-Iran, Pakistan may become the major players in Afghanistan.

The US is losing ground in the Middle East high speed !
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