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    Posted: October 02 2017 at 4:54am
just when you think you've heard it all

LISTEN: Unearthed Audio of Trump with Howard Stern Is One of the Worst Things You’ll Ever Hear


https://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/10/01/listen-unearthed-audio-trump-howard-stern-one-worst-things-youll-ever-hear/


sickening

and to think he CONNED 63 million AMuRiKaNS into voting for him ???


defend this Trump cult members


defend this

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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

just when you think you've heard it all

LISTEN: Unearthed Audio of Trump with Howard Stern Is One of the Worst Things You’ll Ever Hear


https://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/10/01/listen-unearthed-audio-trump-howard-stern-one-worst-things-youll-ever-hear/


sickening

and to think he CONNED 63 million AMuRiKaNS into voting for him ???


defend this Trump cult members


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I can't defend your inability to spell the name of my country America correctly - like several terrorists who used to threaten it - and have no respect for some of my brothers and sisters in arms who have died to protect our freedom.

I see it as an effort to divide and destroy the unity of my country in a time when we need to remain together to fight enemies outside and within it.  These kind of statements are supported by domestic terrorists who kill the innocent, deny them free speech and want to establish Anarchy in America.

I may not agree with you but I will die fighting for the right for you to say it. Do you really appreciate that? People continue to do that every day here - or perhaps you really don't understand the United States and why we are united.

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really???

the AMurIkAn thing AGAIN ???

you truly don't understand the difference between American and AMuRIkAn ???

and I notice that you very nicely change the subject
and didn't address what a truly horrible horrible HORRIBLE person Trump truly is

he's YOUR man
DEFEND HIM  and his actions IF you can
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

really???

the AMurIkAn thing AGAIN ???

you truly don't understand the difference between American and AMuRIkAn ???

and I notice that you very nicely change the subject
and didn't address what a truly horrible horrible HORRIBLE person Trump truly is

he's YOUR man
DEFEND HIM  and his actions IF you can


I didn't vote for Trump. I am not a Republican and he is not "my man".  No, I do not understand your reference to Amurkan. Please define it and tell me why you spell it that way.

I don't need to defend Trump and you cannot defend the mainstream media's boldface lies.

So far he has done a lot positive things, most of which have been completely ignored. There is less illegal immigration, the stocks are up, the GDP is up, Congress must address the immigration problem, they are trying to lower taxes, tackle the budget, and  give our businesses a fighting chance against the world.

In Puerto Rico they are doing an amazing job or their would be hundreds of thousands more people dead. All mainstream can do is whine about one tweet versus all of the ones praising leaders in Puerto Rico.

He managed to push money through for the the hurricane in Texas, now working on Florida, and also Puerto Rico. They tried to repeal and replace Obamacare which is a disaster and failed.

These objective facts versus the CNN Fantasyland.  The couldn't even publish the truth about Las Vegas.

You are a Trump Hater. You wear the hat, you walk the walk, you talk the talk. There are an army of Anarchists who want America to fall that stand behind you.

I am simply a data miner trying to pull together facts to base my conclusions on. 

It is unlikely you will ever stop. No matter what Trump does to help our country, even protect us from a nuclear strike from North Korea as our Commander in Chief - the ranting, whining, and misinformation will not stop.

It's okay. When I am wrong, I will say I'm wrong. So far- what I have posted above is accurate.

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your the biggest water carrier for Trump since Sean Hannity

I'll start praising Trump WHEN he stops lying and actually does something positive

and please quit saying stupid stuff like just because someone doesnt like Trump
they are anarchists ???  and want America to fail ???

two thirds of voters don't like Trump
a little factoid you seem to constantly ignore

and you continue to give Trump credit for things which are clearly residual effects of the Obama administration
do I really need to list them ???

and for crying out loud
"No, I do not understand your reference to Amurkan. Please define it and tell me why you spell it that way."
this has already been explained to you at least once before
I'm not going to go back over the a,b,c's again


and just how has Trump's handling of North Korea been any different than that of Clinton.Bush or Obama?
sure the talk is tougher
but thats all

NK CONTINUES to test long range missiles FACT
they CONTINUE to test nuclear devices  FACT
and all Trump has to say is "all options are on the table"LOL  FACT

and please
this statement is so factually inaccurate I won't even address it
"In Puerto Rico they are doing an amazing job or their would be hundreds of thousands more people dead. All mainstream can do is whine about one tweet versus all of the ones praising leaders in Puerto Rico."

but at any rate Trump will give the Puerto Ricans that GOLF TROPHY today
I'm sure that will make everything all better LOL
if that is YOUR idea of effective leadership
then you have indeed set the bar LOWLOL
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I have to protest against this statement, Med: " No matter what Trump does to help our country, even protect us from a nuclear strike from North Korea as our Commander in Chief - the ranting, whining, and misinformation will not stop."

You yourself have posted much about your fears of approaching nuclear war.  I can only assume you disbelieve your own words.

Personally I think that Trump is making things worse.  His only idea of diplomacy is to shout:  "Oi, Rocket Man, my missiles are bigger than yours!"  Many of his security forces have expressed similar opinions to mine.  That is no way to speak to a dictator with nukes!  

There is an old saying:  "What do you call a gorilla with a gun?"  to which the reply is:  "Sir!"

Trump is correct in much of what he says about the insane North-Korean-space-cockroach, but you can't say that out loud!  This is not a pi$$ing contest!  It is a profoundly delicate diplomatic nightmare.  Trump's schoolboy-in-the-playground tactics could get EVERYONE killed.

Again your comment was:  "He managed to push money through for the the hurricane in Texas, now working on Florida, and also Puerto Rico"  

It is true that a small amount of aid has been sent to Puerto Rico, A VERY SMALL AMOUNT, TO DEAL WITH A DISASTER OF MASSIVE PROPORTIONS.  The amount of aid amounts to little more than an insult.  Don't you read, watch or listen to  any real news?

Finally:  "I don't need to defend Trump and you cannot defend the mainstream media's boldface lies"  No you don't, that is correct.  

However you chose to, for no logical reason I can fathom, if as you say you did not vote for him. 'And you use the most scurrilous, inaccurate, partisan, frequently made up, lies and damn lies to do so (no statistics though to complete the cliche) gleaned from sources with known Right wing and Far-right sites.  Yet you accuse the mainstream media of lying.  Just because Trump uses the words "fake news" does not make it true.  I do not include Fox news in that list of horrors,  They are clearly right-wing and occasionally extremely so, but, being mainstream, they suffer oversight and so like their opposite number, CNN, cannot get away with lying outright.

Everyone has a tendency to read only those articles which back up their own already-formed opinions,  Some would never watch CNN, some would never watch Fox.  I admit to preferring CNN.  But, I watch Fox, as they help give a more balanced view.  Unless you do the same and override your distaste with anything remotely left-of-centre you cannot develop a viewpoint based on the facts, anymore than I could if I did not view the publications of the other side.  Allow that bias to build and you will gravitate closer and closer to a fascist viewpoint, just as, if I gave my tastes free reign I would end up a communist.  Both extremes are insane, stupid and morally repugnant.  

I have said it before but I do not think you were listening.  If you only look at one side, you only see one side.  You may not like the alternate view, but to view only its opposite renders you unenlightened and makes you appear stupid, racist and deluded.  I am pretty sure you are none of those, so please try removing the blinkers, they only suit horses, and skittish ones at that.
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

I have to protest against this statement, Med: " No matter what Trump does to help our country, even protect us from a nuclear strike from North Korea as our Commander in Chief - the ranting, whining, and misinformation will not stop."

You yourself have posted much about your fears of approaching nuclear war.  I can only assume you disbelieve your own words.

comment: I am afraid of a global thermonuclear war (War Games) but we also have a bully in the playground who needs to be punched in the nose. For 25 years no one has punched him and negotiating is a waste. Trump is likely the only president in the last 25 years who will order a strike and that may be all that stops him i.e. Kim Jong-Un.


Personally I think that Trump is making things worse.  His only idea of diplomacy is to shout:  "Oi, Rocket Man, my missiles are bigger than yours!"  Many of his security forces have expressed similar opinions to mine.  That is no way to speak to a dictator with nukes!  

There is an old saying:  "What do you call a gorilla with a gun?"  to which the reply is:  "Sir!"

comment: Trump is very good at the art of getting things hammered out and that includes bluffing and constant changing of strategy to fit the situation. We have two gorillas actually - both with their bones in the air waving them and grunting. One has to use the bone and end it or this will go on until millions are dead in a strike to New York or cities on the West Coast.


Trump is correct in much of what he says about the insane North-Korean-space-cockroach, but you can't say that out loud!  This is not a pi$$ing contest!  It is a profoundly delicate diplomatic nightmare.  Trump's schoolboy-in-the-playground tactics could get EVERYONE killed.

comment: We've run out of alternatives. The only possible one is for China to take Kim Jong-Un down versus a military strike. Negotiation is a waste of time.

Again your comment was:  "He managed to push money through for the the hurricane in Texas, now working on Florida, and also Puerto Rico"  

It is true that a small amount of aid has been sent to Puerto Rico, A VERY SMALL AMOUNT, TO DEAL WITH A DISASTER OF MASSIVE PROPORTIONS.  The amount of aid amounts to little more than an insult.  Don't you read, watch or listen to  any real news?

comment: I don't have limitless time to read the news, so I do read maybe for a few hours a day and take it from there. I do know that with accumulating disasters we do have to set priorities. We cannot send as much relief to Puerto Rico as to Texas or Florida.

Finally:  "I don't need to defend Trump and you cannot defend the mainstream media's boldface lies"  No you don't, that is correct.  

However you chose to, for no logical reason I can fathom, if as you say you did not vote for him. 'And you use the most scurrilous, inaccurate, partisan, frequently made up, lies and damn lies to do so (no statistics though to complete the cliche) gleaned from sources with known Right wing and Far-right sites.  Yet you accuse the mainstream media of lying.  Just because Trump uses the words "fake news" does not make it true.  I do not include Fox news in that list of horrors,  They are clearly right-wing and occasionally extremely so, but, being mainstream, they suffer oversight and so like their opposite number, CNN, cannot get away with lying outright.

Everyone has a tendency to read only those articles which back up their own already-formed opinions,  Some would never watch CNN, some would never watch Fox.  I admit to preferring CNN.  But, I watch Fox, as they help give a more balanced view.  Unless you do the same and override your distaste with anything remotely left-of-centre you cannot develop a viewpoint based on the facts, anymore than I could if I did not view the publications of the other side.  Allow that bias to build and you will gravitate closer and closer to a fascist viewpoint, just as, if I gave my tastes free reign I would end up a communist.  Both extremes are insane, stupid and morally repugnant.  

I have said it before but I do not think you were listening.  If you only look at one side, you only see one side.  You may not like the alternate view, but to view only its opposite renders you unenlightened and makes you appear stupid, racist and deluded.  I am pretty sure you are none of those, so please try removing the blinkers, they only suit horses, and skittish ones at that.

comment: I was at Berkeley in the 60s and among the protestors. All my cousins except one are Social Justice Warriors and I have heard this drivel for the last 30 years. I am Christian, was raised in a church which included almost 50% black people and studied to be a minister from an amazing man name Jessie Walton - a black minister. I served in the military and worked beside and with and had many friends of all colors as well as after the service. I currently have many such friends, including the homeless people who I lived with and struggled with as some died.

I currently am the head of Homeless United http://homelessunited.net and trying to do the Give Me Shelter Concert. Check it out on Facebook.

I am not a racist.

It appears to me the recent slaughter of 59 country western fans in Las Vegas was instigated by Antifa. President (I am so tired of the media calling him Mr. Trump) Trump delivered a heartfelt and truly well done expression of caring for the victims of the massacre. There was nothing the media could find to fault him with so they barely published it.

The Far Left has now started calling everyone a Nazi and a Racist without any discrimination. It is a mindless ignorant ploy to stir up a revolution in the U.S. (Antifa November 5, 2017) and will fail.

I am not going to spend 3 more years chanting "Not our president" or back Hillary who tries - despite lack of effort to put her in jail for willful crimes endangering the national security of our country. 

I will continue to acknowledge - despite volumes of false news - the good Trump is doing and will continue to do for America.

I didn't like the whiners in the comedy show and I don't like them in politics. They never have a single solution. All they do is complain.

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now I'm confused
Trump said one thing while campaigning
and now his hand picked budget guy is saying another ???

Trump Budget Director: “We Need to Have New Deficits”

https://www.redstate.com/patterico/2017/10/03/trump-budget-director-need-new-deficits/

Our national debt recently hit $20 trillion. Of course the Trump administration doesn’t care about that. Remember, Trump hilariously promised a pack of gullible rubes that he would eliminate the debt (not the deficit, but the debt!!) without touching entitlements — which is laughably impossible. Now his budget director is praising deficits as necessary for economic growth.


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US joins Saudi Arabia to vote against UN resolution opposing death penalty for 'same-sex relations'

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/3/1703713/-US-joins-Saudi-Arabia-to-vote-against-UN-resolution-opposing-death-penalty-for-same-sex-relations

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.


lying liars tell lies

that is what they do

that is who they are


RESIGN !!!

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I am a minister of my faith, my husband is a vet.  Don't try Trump's pi$$ing contest Tactics on me.  I have taken homeless people home and housed them myself, repeatedly - charged no rent, fed them for nothing and given them the space to get their act together long enough to get a foothold in life.  All who have left are now housed and able to feed themselves.  

If you have had so many black friends, why do you automatically quote the far-right drivel that accuses them of everything from racist attacks against white people, to insulting the country when they protest injustice perpetrated in its name?  Did you read Satori's post "Have you no decency?"  Did you realize that the original author was an astronaut a proud patriotic American one?  I believe you when you say you are not a racist.  But many of your posts are racially insensitive and some come over as outright racist.  i don't think you mean to give that impression, but that is what comes across.  "This is becoming an exercise in connect the dots. Country Western - the South - Antifa - ISIS - was this a racially motivated crime against White People?" for instance.

Trump's speech was beautiful, apt apposite and warm.  It solves nothing, but I was impressed by it

Yes KJU is a playground bully. 'And Trump does have a history of deals which work.  But KJU is not a businessman, he is a dictator.  He does not rely on business law to police his deals, he relies on China, who have said they will not let America make the first strike without retaliation.  Trump is brilliant at tactics which are inappropriate in this situation and does not seem able to adapt.  The more Trump bluffs and blusters the faster KJU builds up his arsenal and Trump can't start things off on a war footing without bringing China in.  So, all this bravado does is speed up KJU's arsenal building.  STUPID AND DANGEROUS!

China are not going to sort NK out. Period!  Saying it needs to happen will not change that, no matter how many times you say it.  There are other options, but very delicate ones,  Trump's attitude may close those diplomatic doors forever.

Trump has achieved a few minor successes, granted.  However he is failing miserably in all the major ones.  He started his term with ALL THREE HOUSES holding a Republican majority.  Had the majority of Republicans agreed with him on anything, his bills would have sailed through.  The fact that they have not suggests that the politically savvy think him either stupid, uninformed or deluded (or all three).  This is also illustrated/confirmed by the rash of resignations and sackings in the White house and Trump's war with the media.  His trumpets seem to love him, as do a few hard-line far-right groups and individuals, the rest either see him as a manipulative bully, an orange buffoon or their biggest mistake yet.
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Originally posted by roni3470 roni3470 wrote:

Someone please delete this thread.


I appreciate that the political posts have been a point of contention for many, but the mods can no more take this down than the pro-Trump ones. I hate to sound like I'm passing the buck, but that's Albert's call simply because he pays the rent and makes the rules here. After it was recently raised as an issue, there was a consensus about creating a political section. But as I mentioned at the time, they will still appear in the latest posts. It doesn't necessarily fix anything.


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I appreciate all of the fine folks on AFT.  We have much in common, and like all families, we can agree to disagree.  

Trump doesn't impress me one bit, primarily because of his sleazy attempts to cozy up to Russia during the election.   All of that will eventually bring him, and his family, down eventually.  

Medclinician, I appreciate your sensibilities and dedication what we are trying to do here.  I won't trash Trump anymore, he does a pretty good job of doing that by himself.   We are Americans (and Brits and Scots and Aussies and Kiwis etc.) and hang together.  

Be safe, everyone! 

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BREAKING: Trump Set to Kill Iran Deal


https://www.redstate.com/slee/2017/10/04/breaking-trump-set-kill-iran-deal/


if it is true that Iran is blocking access of the inspectors

Trump may indeed be right  in refusing to certify the accord

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Chomsky: Trump's #1 Goal as President

https://www.alternet.org/chomsky-trumps-1-goal-president


the Republican endgame

more evil than you can believe

"the most savage fringe of the Republican Party is carefully advancing policies designed to enrich their true constituency: the Constituency of private power and wealth, “the masters of mankind,” to borrow Adam Smith’s phrase."


Republicans are literally attacking Medicare and Medicaid as we speak,among other things

I hope Trump cult members come to realize the terrible terrible thing they have done

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"that Pratt Trump"............

 is usually the prefix given to Chump when anyone speaks of him down here.....

"it harder to convince some they been fool,than to fool them in the First place "......................

so its no use arguing with fools.............

just a waste of drinking time ......

Cheers all......

p.s. why doesnt AmeRiKa have a health system like AuSTrALiA?????......still cant fathom that one  coz we are'nt COMMIES 




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Trump PROMISED in a campaign speech given in Sept 2016
that we would have something very akin to universal health care
that "promise" was good for maybe 10-15 minutesDead
I really really REALLY HATE people that LIE
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

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p.s. why doesnt AmeRiKa have a health system like AuSTrALiA?????......still cant fathom that one  coz we are'nt COMMIES 

Because they would rather pay a fortune to line the pockets of the fat-cats in the health insurance business, for a system that partially fails, than pay massively less into an effective system that might help a freeloader as well as the truly genuinely needy.
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LMAO !!!

even Trumps OWN handpicked people recognize him for what he is

Trump's team expected Tillerson to resign after calling Trump a 'moron'
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/4/1704175/-Trump-s-team-expected-Tillerson-to-resign-after-calling-Trump-a-moron
“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov
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things ARE just this bad

GOP Senator Admits Tillerson and Generals Are The Only Thing Saving The Country From "Chaos."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/4/1704189/-GOP-Senator-Admits-Tillerson-and-Generals-Are-The-Only-Thing-Saving-The-Country-From-Chaos
“The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.” Gary Kasparov
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