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Four-star US army general compares Trump to Mussolini after ‘watershed moment’ for America
'No room for humorous media coverage. This is deadly serious. This is Mussolini'

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A decorated retired US Army general has compared Donald Trump to fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, and said the president’s actions over the past week are a watershed moment for America.

Mr Trump ordered his administration to cancel subscriptions to The New York Times and The Washington Post at the start of the week, a move that Barry McCaffrey called ‘deadly serious’.


The four-star general wrote: “The White House Trump statement telling the entire Federal Government to terminate subscriptions to the NYT and Wash Post is a watershed moment in national history.



“No room for HUMOROUS media coverage. This is deadly serious. This is Mussolini.”

White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham has attempted to play down the move as a cost-saving measure.


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She described it as a “significant cost saving for taxpayers - hundreds of thousands of dollars”.

Mr Trump has been particularly critical of the Times and Post, and on Monday he told Fox News that “we don’t want” the two titles in the White House anymore, adding that they would be “terminated”.

Print editions stopped appearing in the White House on Tuesday, but online access remains; both offer free digital subscriptions to federal government employees and servicemen and women whose email addresses end in '.gov' or '.mil.'




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Mussolini came to power in Italy in a 1922 coup, allying himself with other European fascist leaders.

He was eventually captured by communist partisans while trying to flee to neutral Switzerland and executed.

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I'm starting to feel like Cassandra.

I have been saying since he became President that his No. 1 agenda is to stifle the press. Only then can he safley do dark deeds: 'cos no one can see them.

Unlike Cassandra, I have to admit, this is even more extreme than I expected. How does he do it? If anyone else did something so blatant they would be lynched! Yet he does not even lose 10% of his voter base.

Is there some hypnotic being added to the water?
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Well we won't really know until the election,

how the People think,

Mind just look at what happens when the people speak

AKA,

BREXIT.....

they won't obay the people's will.....
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Grrrrrrr! Sore point.

There is no democracy in the UK.

The 'Mother of Parliaments' has grown deaf to her children.

The choice used to be between those who understood money and those who cared about people. Now it is between those who are weak and ineffectual and those who think they should rule the world.
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I appologise America, I took the mickey when you had to choose between Clinton and Trump: "Rock and a hard place" said I.

You may not have seen the end of those impossible choices, but at least you can laugh at us at the same time.
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More details have emerged about Lt Col Alexander Vindman's behind-closed-doors deposition on Tuesday, including the line that it was the aforementioned White House lawyer John Eisenberg who proposed moving the transcript of the Zelensky call to a highly classified server and restricting access to it. He has since become a person of interest to House Intelligence Committee chairman Adam Schiff's team.

Like Ambassador Taylor, Vindman has since volunteered to testify again publicly should his services be required by the investigating House Democrats.

Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer has meanwhile written to the secretary of the army Ryan McCarthy and army chief of staff James McConville to ask what steps are being taken to guarantee Vindman's personal safety after attempts were made to smear his good name, not least by Trump, who called him a "Never Trumper witness" on Twitter, and by Fox News anchor Laura Ingraham, who suggested he might be a Ukrainian double agent because he was born behind the Iron Curtain.

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Today, it's the turn of the the National Security Council (NSC)s top adviser on Russian and European Affairs Tim Morrison to give his deposition, a man who just so happened to announce on Wednesday he will soon be leaving his job at the White House.

A senior administration official said yesterday that Morrison "has decided to pursue other opportunities" and has been considering leaving the administration for "some time". Morrison has been in the spotlight since August when a government whistleblower said multiple US officials had said Trump was "using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 US election."
Now it's his turn in the impeachment probe's hot seat.

Morrison, tall and lean with an authoritative voice (it says here), will be asked to explain that "sinking feeling" he got when Trump demanded that Ukraine's president investigate former vice president Joe Biden and meddling in the 2016 election.

Morrison, who is in his 40s, is a political appointee in the Trump White House, brought on board by John Bolton to address arms control matters and later shifted into his current role. It was there that he stepped into the thick of an in-house squabble about the activities of Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal attorney who had been conversing with Ukrainian leaders outside of traditional US diplomatic circles.

Known as a "hawk" in national security circles, Morrison is set to be the first political appointee from the White House to testify before impeachment investigators. The probe has been denounced by the president, who has directed his staff not to testify.

Regardless of what he says, GOP lawmakers will be hard-pressed to dismiss Morrison, formerly a longtime Republican staffer at the House Armed Services Committee. He's been bouncing around Washington in Republican positions for two decades, having worked for Minnesota congressman Mark Kennedy, Arizona senator Jon Kyl and as a GOP senior staffer on the House Armed Services Committee, including nearly four years when it was chaired by congerssman Mac Thornberry in Texas.

Morrison's name appeared more than a dozen times in earlier testimony by Bill Taylor, the acting US ambassador in Ukraine post-Yovanovitch, who told impeachment investigators that Trump was withholding military aid unless President Zelensky went public with a promise to investigate the Bidens. Taylor's testimony contradicts Trump's repeated denials that there was any quid pro quo.

Taylor said Morrison recounted a conversation that Gordon Sondland, America's ambassador to the European Union, had with a top aide to Zelensky named Andriy Yermak. Taylor said Morrison told him security assistance would not materialise until Zelensky committed to investigate Burisma, a Ukrainian gas company that once employed Biden's son. A White House meeting for Zelensky also was in play.

Taylor testified:

I was alarmed by what Mr Morrison told me about the Sondland-Yermak conversation. This was the first time I had heard that the security assistance - not just the White House meeting - was conditioned on the investigations.

Taylor also said that Morrison told him he had a "sinking feeling" after learning about a 7 Sepember conversation Sondland had with Trump.

According to Mr Morrison, President Trump told Ambassador Sondland that he was not asking for a quid pro quo. But President Trump did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself. Mr Morrison said that he told Ambassador Bolton and the NSC lawyers of this phone call between President Trump and Ambassador Sondland.

Morrison told people after Bolton was forced out of his job that the national security adviser had tried to stop Giuliani's diplomatic dealings with Ukraine and that Morrison reportedly agreed. The official said Morrison told people that with the appointment of Robert O'Brien as Bolton's successor, his own future work at the NSC was in a "holding pattern".

Bolton had brought Morrison into the NSC in July 2018 as senior director for weapons of mass destruction and biodefence. He's known as an arms control expert or an arms treaty saboteur, depending on who you ask. Morrison, who earned a bachelor's degree from the University of Minnesota and a law degree from George Washington University, keeps nuclear strategist Herman Kahn's seminal volume on thermonuclear warfare on a table in his office.

Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association, said Bolton and Morrison are likeminded. Kimball said both have been known for calling up GOP congressional offices warning them against saying anything about arms control that didn't align with their views. "Just as John Bolton reportedly did, I would be shocked if Morrison did not regard Giuliani's activities as being out of bounds," said Kimball, who has been on opposite sides of arms control debates with Morrison for more than a decade.
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31 October 2019 10:37
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Yesterday, the inquiry heard from Christopher Anderson and Catherine Croft of the State Department, the latter saying she had been repeatedly pressured by a GOP-linked lobbyist - Robert Livingston - to assist with the outsting of Marie Yovanovitch, the US ambassador to Ukraine, in May.

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The House will vote on the Democrats' new impeachment inquiry resolution on Thursday, a measure put forward in a bid to allay Republican complaints about the process and establish the ground rules before it heads into a public hearing phase.

There is little doubt that the Democratic-controlled body will approve the eight pages of procedures, with each side likely to lose a handful of defectors, if any. "As much as this president flaunts the Constitution, we are going to protect it," House Rules Committee chairman James McGovern said on Wednesday as his panel debated the procedures.

House minority leader Kevin McCarthy told the Associated Press that the package creates "much more of a politically closed system than an open system." That echoed Republican complaints that the Democratic-run process has been secretive and tilted against them. Democrats say their plan follows how impeachment efforts against presidents Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton were run.

The investigation is focused on Trump's efforts to push Ukraine to investigate his Democratic political opponents by withholding military aid and an Oval Office meeting craved by the country's new president, Volodymyr Zelensky. It is likely to take weeks or more before the House votes on whether to actually impeach Trump. If it does, the Senate would then hold a trial to decide whether to remove him from office.

Both parties' leaders were rounding up votes as Thursday's roll call approached, with each side eager to come as close to unanimity as possible. Republicans said a solid GOP "no" vote would signal to the Senate that the Democratic push is a partisan crusade against a president they have never liked. McCarthy said he's unaware of any Republican even "leaning toward voting for it" while Trump ally Lindsey Graham has repeatedly insisted no Senate GOP members support the president's impeachment.

Fred Upton, a Republican moderate from Michigan who some thought might be open to backing the Democratic rules, said he would oppose them. He complained about the secrecy that Democrats have used and said he had not been pressured by GOP leaders or Trump, with whom he had a drink at a Republican fundraiser on Tuesday night. "You really can't roll back the clock" from the time the investigation began last month, Upton said.

Democrats were also hoping to demonstrate solidarity from their most liberal elements to their most moderate members. They argued that GOP cohesion against the measure would show that Republicans are blindly defending Trump, whatever facts emerge. "It will show the other party has become the party of Trump. It's really not the Republican Party any longer," said Dan Kildee, also of Michigan.

The Democrats' chief vote counter, James Clyburn of South Carolina, said he believed "less than half a dozen" from his party would oppose the package. One Democrat whose vote was unclear, New York freshman Anthony Brindisi, said he'd not been pressured by party leaders to back the measure and said, "This is a decision I have to make."

Republicans said they'd use the vote to target freshman Democrats and those from districts Trump carried in 2016. They said they would contrast their support for the rules with campaign promises to focus on issues voters want to address, not on impeaching Trump.

The House GOP's campaign arm sent emails to reporters all but taunting some of those Democrats including New Hampshire freshman Chris Pappas. "Pappas wants to be a one-termer," one said.

GOP leaders called the rules "Speaker Pelosi's sham process designed to discredit the Democratic process" in their daily impeachment email to lawmakers. Pelosi decided to have the vote following weeks of GOP claims that the inquiry was invalid because the chamber had not voted to formally commence the work.

The rules lay out how the House Intelligence Committee - now leading the investigation by deposing diplomats and other officials behind closed doors - would transition to public hearings. That panel would issue a report and release transcripts of the closed-door interviews it has been conducting with diplomats and other officials with connections to Trump's interactions with Ukraine. The Judiciary Committee would then decide whether to recommend that the House impeach Trump - a finding that he should be removed from office.

Republicans could only issue subpoenas for witnesses to appear if the entire panel approved them - in effect giving Democrats veto power over such requests by the GOP. Attorneys for Trump could participate in the Judiciary Committee proceedings. But in a bid for leverage, panel chairman Jerrold Nadler would be allowed to deny "specific requests" by Trump representatives if the White House continues refusing to provide documents or witnesses sought by Democratic investigators. The rules also direct House committees "to continue their ongoing investigations" of Trump.

Top Democrats think that language will shield their members from weeks of Republican complaints that the inquiry has been invalid because the House had not formally voted to begin that work. Democrats have said there is no constitutional provision or House rule requiring such a vote.
Joe Sommerlad
31 October 2019 10:06
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Ex-Republican senator William Cohen of Maine has meanwhile likened the presidents rhetoric to that of a dictator in an interview with CNN, advising viewers to read George Orwells dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four and ask themselves: Is that where were headed?

Cohen told Christiane Amanpour:

He feels that he alone can take action, without regard to any of the other institutions which are there to make sure that the rule of law stays intact. And so that, 'Only I can do this,' and that has the sound of, you know, a dictator or a dictatorship.

I would ask everyone to go back and read Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four and look at what he was writing about in a fictional sense, and saying, 'Is that where we're headed?,' where you have a ministry of truth, in which you can tell the biggest of lies and you repeat them over and over again until they're accepted as the truth.

That's pretty fictional, but it's not too far removed when you can have the president of the United States say, 'Yeah, I wrote this letter, and it's a perfect letter.'

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Joe Sommerlad
31 October 2019 09:38
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Donald Trumps former national security adviser John Bolton will appear before the House impeachment inquiry next week if a subpoena is issued summoning him to give testimony, his lawyer has said.

Bolton will be questioned over the presidents dealings with Ukraine along with two other witnesses, John Eisenberg and Michael Ellis, both legal advisers to the National Security Council.

The committees have reportedly asked Bolton to appear on 7 November, while Eisenberg and Ellis have both been asked to testify on 4 November but the depositions have not yet been formally scheduled.

Here's Chris Riotta's report.

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I have seen "dictator in waiting" in all of his Presidency; bullish beligerancy, rigid propaganda controls, money over people ('cos money = power), fast staff turnover (with massive penalties for the no longer employed), selection of populace singled out to accept 'blame' for everything; these are all standard pre-dictatorship behaviours.

I'll give him this, he's good at it. Also adopting new technologies for propaganda (twitter) is one of the prerequisites of successful dictatorship-acquisition, as is possessing the rhetoric to manufacture illogically loyal accolytes.

He does display the full set. What next? Massive manufacturing growth, opposition being arrested and concentration camps - oops, sorry, no, that was Hitler, at least the last bit was, Trump has not managed the camps - yet; he has had to settle for a wall instead. FEMA has the camps, they just have their own reasons.
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One could argue that there are camps,

What's happened to the hundreds of not thousands of children in detention......

The next 2 years will tell if "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU"

well he is but and we do have thought crimes....

"OK Google" and others watching your every move at home,

cameras watching you Where ever you travel out of home......

Bring on the "Soma".......

Into the "BRAVE NEW WORLD"



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