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    Posted: January 24 2020 at 10:30pm
I’m new to the forum, I found it off of a fb group I joined. I’m very scared of everything going on right now. Downright pit of my stomach, can hardly focus on anything else worried. I’ve worried for years about something like this, and it all seems to be happening just the way I imagined it would. No one seems to be taking it seriously and my husband is thinking I am way blowing this out of proportion.

I have so much anxiety worrying about everyone and everything. I wish I had the resources to prep more, because I only have a 72 hour kit for each of my family members.
My husband doesn’t take it seriously and I am scared he won’t until it’s too late. I want to start stocking up on food, but he thinks it’s a waste of money and that I’m overreacting.

This one seems bad. I remember Ebola and SARS and MERS and this one feels very different. There seems to be so much hidden and secretive about this. China seems to be hiding how severe it all is. And it feels like the rest of the world is going to catch on too late.

Is anyone else having problems dealing with the worry and anxiety of it all? I feel like I am spiraling with worry and obsessively trying to find new and up to date info. I am so scared that if I don’t, I won’t be able to be prepared.
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16 years prepping and I’m having a bunch of “oh crap, it’s actually happening” moments lately. You’re not alone.

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Slalo989 - To start with only believe half of what you read and question the other half! I had the same problem with my wife when I first started prepping! She thought I was nuts! (To tell you the truth I may be!) Then we had an ice storm and had to live without power for over a month! Now she preps more than I do! You're in the game late but that's ok because most of the time these things burn themselves out pretty quickly! I suggest starting slow with a Bug Out Bag (BOB)! This is a bag you can grab on the run in case of natural disasters like Tornadoes, earth quakes, etc. As far as prepping start with a few weeks worth of canned goods. Canned tuna, chicken, ham, beans, soups, etc! enough for at least one substantial meal every day! Make sure you buy things you like to eat because you will need to rotate your stock! And finally, welcome to the group! There are a lot of good people here who all have some worry and anxiety, just like you!
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Being scared is normal. I started prepping in 2006 when I joined this forum. Here is what I suggest for prepping. purchase canned items that you will use in every day life, like can chicken, tuna, Peanut butter, jelly crackers, can vegeggies you use, soups, and any other type of can foods, rice, beans, noodles, spaghetti sauce can or jars, jello, and most important lots of water. Get lots of water.

If you can put extra of these items your husband will really should not complain because they are things you use anyway just more of it.

Like arirish says welcome and we are all worried we hope to help others through this and maybe it will burn out but get ready.

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The risk of becoming a "loonie prepper" is probably greater than the risk of this virus. But prepping just means thinking a little bit ahead. Stock up on those things you always use - just have a little more. Include all your regular meds and a pack of asprin (it treats a huge range of things from heart disease, stroke and arthritis to fever and pain. If you can't afford a whole pharmacy it supplies about 60% of it. Most people keep a box of candles in case of power cuts, why not keep two? Rationed, a candle keeps you going for a week! Although if rationed that desperately you will need extra matches.

Surgical masks and swim goggles will be enough for most people, as sip (sheltering in place) is the best option in an outbreak. Isolation is the best approach! And remember hand sanitiser! "Droplet infection" is usually self-administered when we touch our faces with invisibly contaminated hands. The masks and goggles only look like they are to protect us from being sneezed on or coughed over; they are really there to stop us touching our faces. If you can't get a mask, a fine scarf will do, rinse it in vinegar (most viruses hate acids but vinegar is not going to destroy your face along with the viruses).

Bread will go off as will meat and veggies. Got a freezer? plan a fortnights worth and that will see you through the worst. Eat the freezer contents for the first two weeks and the canned for the second. In the second fortnight, the crackers replace bread, and tinned replaces frozen. The really long-term stores are generally dried, but that is less likely to be an issue. Many of us are obsessive (me too!) and most of the rest of our preps are for far less likely emergencies. Keep a torch with spare batteries and a small first aid kit and you are covered for almost anything. A primus stove, barbecue with charcoal, open chimney with a woodpile, can cook dinner if the power goes out, I have cooked on a stove filled with household rubbish, a ring of nightlights under a baking rack supported on 4 tins and by bringing my beans to the boil briefly and putting the hot stuff into a thermos overnight to finish cooking. You will manage, I promise!
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Hi Salo,

I'm an ex cold-war serviceman five years RAF, 4 years RAF defence force (founder member) 15 years as a mercernary. I was born in the second world war and I can tell you this: there are only two types of people who are not afraid in this sort of situation, the insane and the stupid.

This present outbreak is reported by most of the governments of the world in the form of lies and damn lies, because they do not want panic amongst their people. There is two thirds possibility of the cause being zooanotic one third an escape from a military laboratory level 4 in Wuhan.

We live on a smallholding on a hill (17 acres, mostly woodland, in Scotland) We have 5 years worth of preps, our own water, sewage and the option to farm. We have had two short-term emergencies in the 11 years we have lived here; both caused by extreme weather conditions. Thanks to our prepping each emergency turned into a-bit-of-a-laugh. But a couple of weeks without food, electricity, water and with no transport to the nearest city (Aberdeen 47 miles away) could have been fatal instead of fun.

So don't let anyone put you down or critisize you for being prepared. It is for their benefit too.

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Thanks everyone for the kind words!

A few years ago I made some bug out bags for us with some medical supplies, 3 days worth of freeze dried food, life straws, some sterno and a portable grill, masks, gloves, flashlights and lighters, toilet paper, feminine supplies, uno card game (lol), some very small tools and a number of other things. I have a tote that we can grab with other things I’ve squirreled away too. But I’m worried this is going to be longer than I have prepped for.

I convinced my husband about the “72 hour preparedness kits” but when I told him I wanted to get at least a month worth’s of food, he really thought I had gone off the deep end. Maybe I have? He did order us a box of surgical masks. I wanted the N95, but kept telling myself I was crazy and that it’s not necessary. I guess the only good thing with the “sleeper” situations is you’ll have time to get those last minute supplies if you’re paying close enough attention. That’s what I’m trying to do.
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SIP for infectious diseases is usually best. How about swim goggles for the eyes? He does not even have to see that as a prep.

Can't get enough hand santitiser? A bottle of spirits will do almost as well.

You could also fill your handwash bottles in the bathroom with hibiscrub or triscrub. It's just handwash isn't it!. If he prefers soap bars, how about carbolic?
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During the Swine Flu outbreak, hand sanitizer ran out in no time, while the shelves stayed pretty much fully stocked with rubbing alcohol. Take away the perfumes and skin conditioners and it’s the same thing, and often cheaper. Not as kind to your hands, but very effective. Mix it with aloe and you have a very good alternative.

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Before minimum alchol pricing and before I found several alcohol rub cases going cheap, the local supermarket sold very cheap gin. When we had a plumbing problem and had to limit water use, I'm sure our friends thought we had another problem. We stank of gin for a while!

It worked though!
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If you are short of money for preps go with dried beans and pulses. They are so cheap. Split green or yellow peas, pearl barley, lentils. Super cheap and they last for years. Just be sure you've got water.

Try contacting a local butchery supply company. These are normally warehouse type businesses that supply butchers with knives, seasonings, bulk salt etc. Natural sausage casings come in plastic packs that arrive in huge food grade barrels with screw on lids. These barrels are virtually indestructible and about 55 gallons in size. I can buy them for $20 each (a contribution to the staff Christmas party) as these barrels are waste products once the casings have sold.

Buy as many as you can get and store water in them. I cure my hams in them every year and there is no leaching at all. They're great barrels. Then you can use tap water and add bleach when needed and keep replacing the water until the tap runs dry. It's a cheap way to store water.
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Interesting ordered 100 surgical masks that were in stock now I will not get them until Feb 14 - March 9. Guess I may never get them. Lucky I have plenty of N95 masks. Just got these for incase someone in the house is sick they could wear these to contain better.   Will see if I get them.
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One other thing - and this may sound flippant but I'm not trying to be - be sure, when you're prepping, to put in some luxury items that no one knows about but you. By this I mean some kind of treat that you can bring out when everyone is starting to despair. It'll do wonders for morale. Things such as a packet of cookies, boiled sweets, a bar of chocolate.

Believe me, something sweet when all else fails can save the day.
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Yep I have put those in my preps but I am waiting until next weekend to see how bad this gets and I will purchase more chocolate chips...always a hit and you can make lots of things with them.   I am keeping a running list of not necessary but nice to have.

You know Kiwimum that we have been getting ready for this for a long time and we have anxiety about this one. I feel sorry for those who will be running to the store for basics to try and SIP and not starve. Hope this Forum helps people.
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Amazon masks almost completely out or on back order until February, Walmart.dot.com out of masks, Lowe’s home improvement stores out also. I have little faith in masks and think isolation is the best protection. But there’s more people prepping than would admit if you want my opinion. Hubby has made fun of me a little for heightened conversation, but he did give out college kid a little speech about avoiding sick people and washing hands frequently and was in a serious tone. Hopefully in a week if this progresses my secret stash will be a relief. If not, it stays between me and God a little longer. Anyone’s guess about the next hottest item that will be unavailable hand sanitizer, gloves?
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People don’t really think about gloves, but hand sanitizer will definitely be flying off the shelf soon. It’s always one of the first things to disappear.

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Something no one here has mentioned but is very important....don't tell anyone you're prepping!!! If the sh@t does but the fan, others will show up to get your stuff. I say this because in the bird flu scare, I tried informing my co-workers about being prepared and got laughed at and told by more than one of them that they'll just come steal mine. And they were not joking
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Exactly right, nc_girl. I think most of us know to keep our heads down, but this is when it when it really counts. Heck, even my wife doesn’t know much I’ve set aside

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Take advantage of your local grocery stores' BOGO deals! Often there are digital coupons that can be used, too! As mentioned, buy stuff you eat. If you don't eat ramen noodles, then don't buy them (even though they may be $.10 a pouch)! My local grocery store had a bunch of their meats BOGO. So I bought a couple of packages of different meats. I came home, put them in freezer bags and put them in my freezer. They also had dried rice BOGO - score! And the dried beans were BOGO - another score! Although these are items we rarely eat, I break the 'if you don't eat it, don't buy it' rule for rice, beans, and dry pasta. Those items last nearly forever...and I know my family will show up when the SHTF. When you're buying items for your stash, check the 'best by' dates. I'm trying to get things that will last a year - found some good till 2023. :)
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Well I was explaining to my husband how scared I am of all of it and he understood why I am scared. We bought some really inexpensive items from the store, ramen, rice, canned goods and crackers. We got easy to heat frozen stuff too for initially. It’s not nearly enough for extended amount of time, but could probably get us 2 weeks.

We also bought some bleach, a few more cans of sterno, a four bottles of hand sanitizers, some N95 respirators and our surgical masks came in today.

Of course. Checking out at the grocery our cashier was Typhoid Mary and told us she had been sick for 3 days and taking DayQuil and NyQuil every day 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️😷😷😷

We work from home so at least I’d we have to SIP we will still have money coming in. We work for a company that does non emergency medical transportation management and work remotely so no contact is necessary with anyone. Now we just need to hope we can stock up more before it all hits the fan.

Thanks everyone for the advice today.

So it seems like I’m not alone in having a lot of anxiety and worry about all this!! Makes me feel better!
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