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    Posted: April 14 2013 at 7:19pm
I'm curious to know if anyone is planning buying any extra supplies given the current situation with h7n9and the probability if it evolving into the next pandemic.  I could probably 2 days on the supplies I currently have, and that's if i don't eat anything.  Although, if the time comes, i can stock up fairly quickly I suppose, but i don't recommend that.

Anyone buying any extra supplies?
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Just picked up some extra water, and I'm digging out my last minute preps list just in case.
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I've stared stocking up again and I'm pushing on with building an underground greenhouse so we can feed ourselves all winter as we have very cold winters here and the cost of heating a greenhouse is astronomical. We have 2 wells on the property and an underground water storage tank and we grow a lot of our own food but with six dogs and chickens I need to get a lot of animal food in. I've just bout 20 cube of wood as our heating and cooking comes from an Aga and I'm having solar panels fitted this week.

Regardless of flu or any other problems we are just trying to reduce our costs and be more self sufficient.
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I have been finishing up my stocks and getting them in order. But I did not have much to get finished. I have most of my stores in dehydrated or freeze dry. I just have to make sure I have water!!!
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When i stocked up back in 2005, I had TP stacked to the ceiling, and tons of everything.  Damn near could have started an outpost if TSHTF. 

Having said that, I am an expert at stocking up and surviving, so if everything goes to heck on us, trust me, I will empty out Costco my self in a matter of hours.  Will Show up in the hummer pulling a trailer with a team of people. 


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OMG - the toilet paper. You don't realize how much space it takes up until you start to stock up for a serious SIP. We used a lot of ours when I couldn't move in the garage anymore because of all the boxes of tp :)
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lol, ya, must be a guy thing.  My wife thought I was nuts at the time.  She would be buying the essentials, and I just kept buying TP by the truckload.  Took me darn near 3 years to go through it all.
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I have been following this fantastic forum for many years now.  I finally joined today!   I think that today we are closer to a real influenza emergency than we have been in a number of years.  I have been cleaning, rotating and adding to my shelves of preps.  Now that we have hit the 100 cases and the WHO is finally in the field, things could change for the worse overnight.  I think that it is prudent to do what we need to do now, just in case.  Fill up your stocks and get your house in order.  The moment after H7N9 arrives on our soil, or when the press announces that it has, it will hit the fan. 
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i suggest following general guidelines of the US government:

http://ready.gov/

Before you stockpile stuff, develop your plan. Do you have adequate prescription drug supplies? What is your water supply like? The website provides very good guidelines.

I know that a lot of people have "bug out bags" etc, but I believe that the family home still remains the most secure location for a disaster like an infectious outbreak. An emerging pandemic of a highly virulent agent such as a reassortment H7N9 will largely be controlled by social distancing. Stay home and defend it.
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In a pandemic where would one bug out to?


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Originally posted by CStackDrPH CStackDrPH wrote:

i suggest following general guidelines of the US government:

http://ready.gov/

Before you stockpile stuff, develop your plan. Do you have adequate prescription drug supplies? What is your water supply like? The website provides very good guidelines.

I know that a lot of people have "bug out bags" etc, but I believe that the family home still remains the most secure location for a disaster like an infectious outbreak. An emerging pandemic of a highly virulent agent such as a reassortment H7N9 will largely be controlled by social distancing. Stay home and defend it.
I agree...develop a plan before you just run out and start picking things up. I could stay in my house for about three months as long as the water stays on. I have other long term storage of rice, beans, wheat, etc that will supply most of my family's needs for about a year. That said...I am running through my lists again and checking all my stores carefully.
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I'm a professional who works in water treatment, and I'm always looking for new ways to ensure private water supply during emergencies. 

This is one of the best articles I've ever read on the topic in terms of available filtration technologies etc.

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Toilet paper - a really great alternative is polar fleece. It might sound gross but it's nice to wipe your bum on, it soaks easily and excrement washes off it very easily in cold water. I used it to make homemade washable baby wipes when my babies were in nappies. 

A few years ago I bought about 8 metres of it in a sale, the really thick soft kind, and it's sitting in a suitcase just waiting for the time when we run out of loo roll. Then I'll cut it up into 8 or 10 inch squares and we'll use that. Dealing with your own excrement and not freaking out is just a mental adjustment. It took us a few weeks to adjust to compost toilets but now it's the most natural thing, and not at all gross. 
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That beats the old fashioned British substitute - newspapers, almanacs and telephone directories, catalogues were a favourite I believe.
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Sears and Roebucks catalog was what we used prior to indoor facilities as it was bigger than the phone book back in the early 50's we had a two hole'r in the wood shed about 150' from the house.
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DrPH I have a Berkey with the black filters but I am thinking about getting a Porpur just in case the Berkey does not do the job. I have reservoirs and a river but will need filters after I let all the gunk settle and pour off then I dose with pool shock mixture then filter.

What are your thoughts on my system?

Oh, yes I just purchased another TB and PT but need more and will get more after my son and I clean out and organize our shed.
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poor mans Berkey

Gravity Fed Water Filtration System (SK-1001)


http://www.homespunenvironmental.com/Bucket_Drip_Filtration_System_p/sk-1001.htm



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CRS,DrPH, I just wanted to thank you for the information on water.The information that you give is the best information that I have seen and to have it all in one place is great for everyone. Everyone should read this link. I still do not think that most peppers understand the importance of being sure of a constant supply of good clean water. The people that I am planning with pretty much had a lot of the bases covered but they would still have died in a real long term survival situation, because of not taking clean water serious enough. As we were gardening one day,one of them asked me why I kept talking so much about water and why I had so many different methods to use and it was obviously at the top of my list. So we I talked to everyone. I told them that you guys do not seem to understand that if we get into a real survival situation and you take one drink of bad water and get diarrhea,you are going to die. You will either die of dehydration,or because you get so weak that you then catch some bug and it kills you,or if we are actually having to move and maneuver,you will not be strong enough to keep up and you will die or some thug will kill you because you will to weak to run or fight. This got their attention. (Some of these people should have known this) Even with the basics of boiling water from an unknown source for one minute will make it safe to drink. Do not ever stand there and look at water in  a stream or river and say"that water looks to me like it is safe" and you drink it. You just killed yourself and all of the people that are depending on you.Thanks DrPH.Johnray1
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Originally posted by Johnray1 Johnray1 wrote:

CRS,DrPH, I just wanted to thank you for the information on water.The information that you give is the best information that I have seen and to have it all in one place is great for everyone. Everyone should read this link. I still do not think that most peppers understand the importance of being sure of a constant supply of good clean water. The people that I am planning with pretty much had a lot of the bases covered but they would still have died in a real long term survival situation, because of not taking clean water serious enough. As we were gardening one day,one of them asked me why I kept talking so much about water and why I had so many different methods to use and it was obviously at the top of my list. So we I talked to everyone. I told them that you guys do not seem to understand that if we get into a real survival situation and you take one drink of bad water and get diarrhea,you are going to die. You will either die of dehydration,or because you get so weak that you then catch some bug and it kills you,or if we are actually having to move and maneuver,you will not be strong enough to keep up and you will die or some thug will kill you because you will to weak to run or fight. This got their attention. (Some of these people should have known this) Even with the basics of boiling water from an unknown source for one minute will make it safe to drink. Do not ever stand there and look at water in  a stream or river and say"that water looks to me like it is safe" and you drink it. You just killed yourself and all of the people that are depending on you.Thanks DrPH.Johnray1

I'm glad everyone finds it helpful!  Water and prescription medicines will be the big problems when TSHTF.  There are all sorts of food substitutes if you hold your nose (including the mud from the bottom of a pond, it is nasty but nutritious, full of copepods, planaria etc.).  

I'm a consultant who works in water and wastewater treatment, so I've stockpiled a nice collection of utility treatment chemicals that are easily found on the market.  Flocculants like ferric chloride, alum or even hydrated lime will agglomerate much of the particulates, including bacteria, viruses & parasite ova, and pull them into the sediment of a barrel very quickly (one hour or less).  If you filter the decanted water and then whack it with a bit of chlorine, you won't have to boil it, saving fuel for other uses.  

There are lots of columns on this online, keep in mind that you may have to treat a fair amount of water per day for yourself, dependents and perhaps others.  Personal hygiene will probably suffer, oh well, we'll live.  Be safe! 
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Good advice, Chuck. Keep it coming - water preps are probably the hardest for most people because of the space and weight involved.
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

Good advice, Chuck. Keep it coming - water preps are probably the hardest for most people because of the space and weight involved.

Thanks, Jacksdad.  

The EPA catchs a lot of flack for being overly controlling (because they sure can be!), but they also have some damn good advice.  This has dosages, recommendations etc. for emergency water treatment:


I'm busily stockpiling my anti-convulsant medications (I have epilepsy), don't forget that prep!  All the water in the world won't help you if you run out of vital medication.  

It also helps to know herbal substitutes if such exists.  In my case, it would probably be pot.  Don't tell anyone I said that. 
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I have glaucoma controlled by latanoprost eye drops, but I also know of a herbal substitute that would work in a SHTF situation. I won't tell if you don't...
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I have a niece with glaucoma, do tell please, JD!  My email is listed if you would rather.
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Same "herbal medication" that Chuck said he could use in a pinch
The authorities tend to frown on it, and to be honest, everything I've read suggests that pot only reduces pressure in the eye for a short time, and not by much. The pressure in my eyes was enough to freak out all the techs and my doctor when they tested me, so I really need the prescription medication.
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Ah,  In that case I will borrow a copy of Grieve's "A modern herbal" and look some others up for myself. 

If I find anything I will let you know.  Grieve has never let me down before. 
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Originally posted by Nanook Nanook wrote:

Now that we have hit the 100 cases and the WHO is finally in the field, things could change for the worse overnight.  I think that it is prudent to do what we need to do now, just in case.  Fill up your stocks and get your house in order.  The moment after H7N9 arrives on our soil, or when the press announces that it has, it will hit the fan. 


Nanook - what do you mean by now that we have hit the 100 cases & who is finally in the field"???

I'm thinking I missed something...
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Hi Guys, my husband had glaucoma and he was part of an experimental laser treatment. Maybe 15 years ago time goes by so fast, my husband has been gone for 5 years now...seems like yesterday. But they did one eye and the pressure went to normal and stayed that way for 6 months he asked if our Doc would do the other eye. Somehow our Doc got the machine back and they did the other eye.

My husband's pressure remained normal in both eyes until his death. In the study it worked on only 30% of the people and the machine was very expensive so I don't think it ever went anywhere.

I can tell you that even though only 30% were cured I think it was worth it. My husband did not have to worry about the drops and if it was working. But with such a low cure rate I think it did not succeed unless someone know it is still out there.

Just googled Laser treatment for Glaucoma...yes they do treat it that way so it must work for a better percentage of people. If you have Glaucoma I really recommend you do it...it works!
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Food - Get at least 6 weeks of freeze dried food in #10 Cans, taste quality same for 25 years, and still edible even longer. Always Keep kitchen stocked with 3-4 weeks worth of canned and dried food like pasta and rice. That's not much more than most have anyway. So thats 10 weeks supply w/o having to go out.  

Water - Get a Sawyer Mini for each person to make almost any water source drinkable. 

Cooking - consider a rocket stove as back-up if there is no electricity (or gas), it's 3X as heat efficient as a wood fire so small amounts of fuel required so easy to scrounge even in urban environment. Also much faster to start, cooking only 20 minutes.    

My last post here was 7 years ago and no pandemic has occured. If I post in another 7 years and there still has been no pandemic, the freeze dried food reserve will then still be top quality for another 18 years. 




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Originally posted by jpnkevin jpnkevin wrote:



My last post here was 7 years ago and no pandemic has occured. 


Not quite, the 2009 H1N1 pandemic swept across the globe, killed a bunch of folks, and now circulates as a seasonal strain.  


Granted, the H1N1 "swine flu" pandemic didn't turn out to be the "big one" that many had predicted, but I knew plenty of public health experts who were worried shirt-less about it!  

I read viral genetics papers for fun, and I was tracking H1N1 closely, so I wasn't as worried.  It was an interesting mix of human, swine and avian genetics with a few bits of horse, dog etc. tossed in.  

The PH folks were bugged because the 1918 Spanish Flu was also an H1N1.  

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