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    Posted: July 16 2020 at 4:18pm

No, you can’t have a graduation party.

No, you can’t have a big birthday party.

No, you can’t go to the wedding.

No, you can’t go to the party.

No, we are not going on vacation.

No, you can’t take your mask off.

No, you can’t volunteer at that event that will have 50 kids singing and not wearing masks. 


No, No, No, No, No.


I know that it is the right thing to do, but sometimes it is just hard.

What are you finding hard?


(To be fair, my teens are really doing pretty well.  There have been many times where they didn’t even ask because they knew the answer. They accept it when we say no, but I want them to be able to do these things and that makes it hard. It is not the kids that are the problem, I am just tired of having to say no. I am ready for the pandemic to be over.)

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Oh boy, am I tired of all that!

My daughter is in her early 20s and is uncomplaining; she grocks the whole lockdown thing.  But I still feel like the big bad ogre.  She has not seen her boyfriend in months, not had her hair done, not bought a dress except online.  She can't even go job hunting.  That is no way for a young girl to live.  (Incidentally, said boyfriend had got a superbly advanced, better paid job just before the pandemic.  Furlough over; he is unsure it will continue.  He wishes he had kept the old secure one.)

I sometimes think the only reason our leaders have not been assasinated yet despite their incompetence, is that the public's sympathy for having to say:  "No, no NO!"  to a whole country is too great.

The only glimpse of a silver lining I can offer is it could have been worse.  Every time they suffer at our hands, think how much more miserable they would be, if they had been responsible for our demise.  The misery is temporary (far too long, but still just about qualifies as temporary) the guilt would be permanent.  A clear conscience is worth more than a prom/vacation/new dress.

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Just keep saying someday you will understand and thank me

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Maybe post this one on the fridge

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I'm tired of people who don't get how serious this is, and complain about having to wear a mask at work (too hooottt!); their grown children insisting they social distance, and not letting them in the house when they visit, and me having to explain things like:

Better a mask than a ventilator.

Of course they don't, you and your husband are essential workers, you go everywhere, you're high-risk.

Yes, people who are asymptomatic can spread Covid.

No, is not only/mostly older people or people with pre-existing conditions dying/having very bad results with Covid.

Dying is not the only metric by which to measure bad result - how about being disabled for life due to nasty Covid side effects?  How about being fired from a job and difficulty getting another one because for three months you were too sick to work?

And on and on...I'm sure you all could add to the list.  I can't believe how many supposedly reasonably intelligent adults believe everything they see on Facebook/YouTube, etc.

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Until it happens to them or someone very close to them (a family member) I think these people will not change their minds...


'A man who does not think and plan long ahead will find trouble right at his door.'
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The problem is that most people have not known someone who has gotten sick or died.  They think its not serious because of that.  Then I point out, how many people did you know who had the flu last year or died.  If they had the flu they didn't tell you and I didn't know anyone that died.  So I don't anyone can say because they don't know of anyone that its not real.  I am exhausted from explaining to people!

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This whole thing is a planned event.  The information you receive is generated by a small group pulling one gigantic ruce to see how far they can take this thing.   Most of it is being made up as the days go by. It is a Plandemic not a pandemic.  The numbers do not add up!

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'A man who does not think and plan long ahead will find trouble right at his door.'
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I second the tinfoil hat alert!  

I totally feel like the bad guy right now, for making my teens who desperately want to return to school in person do the online option.  We’re choosing this because their charter school is making the unbelievably, unconscionably terrible choice of not enforcing any social distancing, not reducing class sizes, not requiring masks, and basically just putting hand sanitizer in each classroom and saying that’s enough.  I don’t want my kids there when it becomes a community hotspot of infections.

It’s still so hard to see my kids’ disappointment, though. 

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I hear you BeachMama, sometimes doing the right thing is hard.  I am hearing about so many kids and teens who are making this decision for themselves, good for you for being a parent and making the hard decisions.

I didn’t have to make that decision since we are lifelong homeschoolers, but I have disappointed my teens more than once.  I try to remember that their mental health is also important, but I also know what passing this on to someone who got really sick would do to their mental health. 

Being the mom is hard. 

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This is why I take a dim view of kids returning to school or the sports teams even returning to action.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/07/christian-summer-camp-kanakuk-82-cases-covid-19.html

How a Christian Summer Camp Ended Up With 82 Cases of COVID


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The Missouri Christian summer camp Kanakuk, which is now in its 94th year of operation, likes to declare every year its “Best Summer Ever.” This year, that title will be tough to claim. Camp sessions opened on May 30 with an impressive roster of new safety measures in place, including new low-contact drop-off procedures, new air filtration systems, daily temperature checks, quarantine protocols, and more. But on June 26, the camp notified parents by email that there were two positive COVID-19 cases at K-2, one of its six camp locations. Over the next few days, the number of diagnoses climbed to 82. K-2 shut down, and parents from 10 states scrambled to pick up their children early.

About 6.5 million young people will participate in overnight or day camps this summer, the American Camp Association has estimated. That’s down from 26 million in a typical summer. Some states, including New York and Oregon, canceled all sleep-away camps unilaterally. But many others have allowed camps, families, and local health departments to decide for themselves how to proceed. The CDC’s COVID guidelines for summer camps, issued in May, lists campers coming from outside the local geographic area as a “highest risk” factor.

Kanakuk reassured parents in part by touting the state’s approval for its summer plans. “The Missouri Governor Mike Parson has given our opening his blessing, and said he was ‘totally impressed’ with our COVID-19 Kamper Care Plan,” the camp emailed parents on May 5. (The governor’s office did not respond to a request to confirm the camp’s account.) In a video posted to the camp’s website at the same time, Joe White, who has owned the camp since 1976, said he was confident in the camp’s precautions. “As a 71-year-old man with compromised health issues, as well as a grandfather of 15 grandkids of my own,” he said, “I feel deeply the concerns that both the knowns and unknowns bring to a youth care ministry such as Kanakuk.”

Some parents say the camp has been incommunicative with them as the outbreak spread. “There was 0 communication or efforts made from Kanakuk to contact us regarding the closure. Nothing!” one Texas parent, Mia Chase, wrote to the camp’s president and health services, according to NBC News. Chase told NBC that campers were assembled in a single large group to receive the news about the diagnoses, furthering their exposure. She said kids gathered again that same night for a “mosh-pit-style” dance party, where not everyone wore their masks or the Kanakuk-branded “face buffs” they received on arrival at camp. The camp has made few public statements about the outbreak, and its communications office did not respond to multiple interview requests. Last summer, the camp’s Twitter account tweeted every day in June. This year, the camp’s main Twitter account did not tweet between June 1 and July 1, and the account for K-2 has not tweeted since June 1. When a rumor spread last week that a positive case had been diagnosed at K-1, another camp location, a camp representative declined to answer questions and asked a local news reporter to leave the property.

"For us, the risk of COVID-19 versus the chance of the kids having more time with Jesus, it was hands down: the chance to have more of Jesus.”— Laura Hobbs, who sent her three children to Kanakuk

Other parents say they understood the risks they were taking on by sending their children to camp and were pleased with how the camp attempted to control the virus. Ann Boles, who attended the camp herself as a child, told me that she agonized over whether to send her two teenagers for their seventh summer at Kanakuk this year. They were set to start camp on July 4 this year. The week before, she received a message from the camp notifying her of the initial positive cases at K-2. “I cried a lot of tears trying to decide,” she said. “This was not something we took on lightly at all.” Boles’ daughter has three close friends who attend camp with her every summer, and two of their parents decided not to send their daughters this year.

Ultimately, however, Boles trusted the camp. She was reassured by the precautions she heard about. Campers were asked to quarantine for two weeks before arriving at camp, and they had their temperature taken on arrival. They were expected to wear masks or buffs—a tube of stretchy fabric that can be worn around the neck or pulled up as a face covering—anytime they were indoors with people outside their cabin groups of eight to 10. The buffs were collected every night and washed. Another parent told me campers in bunk beds were instructed to sleep with their heads facing opposite directions, to create extra distance between their faces. “I haven’t heard any parents unhappy about how this was handled,” Boles said. “And I felt nothing but good about sending them.”

Laura Hobbs sent her three children to Kanakuk this summer in the camp’s first session, which started May 30. “I felt like so many things were being canceled for our kids, I wanted them to have something that felt like normal,” she said. Hobbs grew up going to Kanakuk, and worked there as a counselor for eight summers. Last summer, the church her husband leads in Texas hosted a “KampOut!” session—essentially a portable day camp that Kanakuk puts on in churches across the country. When Kanakuk canceled all KampOut sessions this summer, citing safety concerns, she decided to send her children to Kanakuk’s sleep-away camp for the first time: “For us, the risk of COVID-19 versus the chance of them having more time with Jesus, it was hands down: the chance to have more of Jesus.”

Kanakuk is one of the largest sleep-away camps in the country, serving 20,000 children in a typical summer. Its unofficial motto is “I Am Third”: God is first, the camp teaches, others come second, and the self comes last. Founded in the mid-1920s by a Dallas educator, Kanakuk has had a reputation outside Missouri from the start. According to one book on Missouri history, the camp’s enrollment was so high by the late 1920s that a train was hired to transport all the campers from Texas.

The camp is now a well-known brand among evangelical Christians, particularly in the South. In the 1990s, White—the camp owner—became a fixture on Christian radio and a nationally known speaker at major Christian conferences like Promise Keepers, sometimes building and hoisting a large wooden cross on stage. Kanakuk invited Christian music artists like Michael W. Smith and Lecrae to compose music for the camp, and boasts that at least four Heisman trophy winners, including Johnny Manziel, have attended over the years. “The continual promise that Kanakuk has made to these American evangelical parents is you’re sending your child here for them to be safe and protected,” said Hunter Hampton, a historian at Stephen F. Austin State University who has written about Kanakuk’s role in evangelical culture. “When you’re in that world, the loyalty to Kanakuk is very, very deep.”

But some parents who have trusted their children to Kanakuk in the past viewed the camp’s best intentions warily. “I think everything they’re trying to do is awesome. It’s just impossible as a sleep-away camp to make it safe,” said Jason Newland, a Missouri pediatric infectious disease specialist who has sent his three children to Kanakuk multiple times over the past decade. This year, he said, it was an easy decision to keep them home. “To me, once they have 82 cases in K-2, you’re just asking for the same thing happening in the other campuses,” he said. “Why don’t we just be safe and stop everything?” Instead, the camp’s other locations will apparently remain open for the rest of the summer.

For more of Slate’s news coverage, subscribe to What Next on Apple Podcasts or listen below.


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Great news story, thanks for sharing....at the end I was like WHAT???
They have kept the camps open for the rest of the summer??

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 Or parents needing a break. Unfortunately it may  be for the rest if their lives because their kids may really get to spend the rest of their lives with Jesus So sad what greed does to people and organizations 

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