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    Posted: July 07 2020 at 9:29am

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China: bat virus ancestor to the COVID-19  

Date: Sun 5 Jul 2020 8:15 AM EDT,

Source: Daily Mail [abridged, edited]

<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8491491/Coronaviruss-closest-ancestor-SEVEN-YEARS-ago-bat-infested-China.html>;



A virus 96% identical to the coronavirus that causes Covid-19 was

found in an abandoned mine in China 7 years ago, according to an

investigation. The bat-infested copper mine in Mojiang, western China,

was home to a coronavirus that left six adult men sick with pneumonia

and 3 of them died.


Scientists took samples from the bats' feces, found on the cave

floor, and stored them in a laboratory 1000 mi  away

in Wuhan for years while studying them.


 That virus, named RaBtCoV/4991 at the time,

now appears to be the closest relative to SARS-Cov-2, which is causing

Covid-19, a Sunday Times investigation has found. The virus has

reportedly been featured in only one widely-available scientific paper that

didn't mention the fact it had caused fatal pneumonia in humans.


The discovery that something very similar to Covid-19 was circulating

in bats in Mojiang - half of bats tested in the mine were carrying at

least one type of coronavirus - has raised doubts about the true

source of SARS-CoV-2.


The official story has been that the Covid-19 virus jumped from an

animal - thought to be a pangolin - to humans at Hunan Seafood Market

in Wuhan city. From there it spread throughout the population in the

densely-populated city, which is a transport hub, and then onto trains

and planes and around the world within weeks. 


But it could have been spreading elsewhere first, and even Chinese

authorities have since admitted that the market was a 'victim' of the

epidemic rather than its source. Dr Peter Daszak, a British animal

disease expert, told The Sunday Times: 'It didn't emerge in the

market, it emerged somewhere else.' He suggested it was already

spreading somewhere around the mine in rural Mojiang and then broke

out in Wuhan, which has a population of 11 million people. 'Fair

assumption is that it spilt into animals in southern China and was

then shipped in, via infected people, or animals associated with

trade, to Wuhan.'


The RaBtCoV/4991 virus appears to have caused an illness which sounds

extremely similar to Covid-19, and has a genetic code 96.2% matching

with it.


The 6 men who fell ill with the virus in 2012 did so after being

assigned to the mine to clear out the bat feces - it is not clear

exactly how it infected them. But the men, who ranged in age from 30

to 63, all required intensive care treatment in hospital. All had

high fevers, body aches and coughs, and 5 of them were struggling to

breathe.


All are symptoms that match those of Covid-19, and they tested

negative for all the tropical diseases the doctors could think of, but

2 of them later tested positive in blood samples for having been

infected with SARS or a SARS-like coronavirus.


The theory is the latest in a long line suggesting the possible origin

of the Covid-19 virus, many of which lead back to wild bats in China.


[Byline: Sam Blanchard]


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Originally posted by Tabitha111 Tabitha111 wrote:

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China: bat virus ancestor to the COVID-19  

Date: Sun 5 Jul 2020 8:15 AM EDT,

Source: Daily Mail [abridged, edited]

<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8491491/Coronaviruss-closest-ancestor-SEVEN-YEARS-ago-bat-infested-China.html>;

Thanks, T, this is a great article!!  

Personal disclosure - I've been studying "emerging viruses" since 1979, when I first learned about viral hemmoraghic fevers like Marburg (VERY lethal), Lassa Fever and Ebola.   It used to be a very obscure branch of epidemiology, I'm glad to see so many good articles about virology & ecology coming out!  

Our CNN network had a fascinating show about bats and viruses, hosted by Anderson Cooper, it is well worth your time to watch!  

https://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2020/06/09/cnn-to-air-special-on-the-connection-between-bats-and-covid-19/

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Thanks! I have always found emergent diseases fascinating. I read every book I could get my hands on from our library...even the footnotes of "The Coming Plague" by Laurie Garrett, which is a book in itself! Will check out the "bat show"!

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Oh my gosh, I love “The Coming Plague,” and have never met another person who has actually read the book! It’s an incredible work.

Bats are such efficient little carriers of pathogens, and they seem to transmit said pathogens to humans with surprising efficiency. I believe that Marburg’s reservoir turned out to be bats as well, wasn’t it, CRS?

This was a great article. Thanks so much for posting it! 

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Did you ever read this,its what got me really interested,

Though I have been interested ,

when I was in high school, and in biology learn that the flu virus changed I was hooked......

Should have made it my career.....


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The Hot Zone: A Terrifying True Story is a best-selling 1994 nonfiction thriller by Richard Preston about the origins and incidents involving viral hemorrhagic fevers, particularly ebolaviruses and marburgviruses. The basis of the book was Preston's 1992 New Yorker article "Crisis in the Hot Zone". Wikipedia
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Originally posted by BeachMama BeachMama wrote:

Oh my gosh, I love “The Coming Plague,” and have never met another person who has actually read the book! It’s an incredible work.

Bats are such efficient little carriers of pathogens, and they seem to transmit said pathogens to humans with surprising efficiency. I believe that Marburg’s reservoir turned out to be bats as well, wasn’t it, CRS?

This was a great article. Thanks so much for posting it! 

Indeed, Marburg is another damned bat virus!   It was transmitted to humans from green monkeys, and wild monkeys are a critical bridge species to bring exotic viruses into humans: 

https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/marburg/index.html

The reservoir host of Marburg virus is the African fruit bat, Rousettus aegyptiacus. Fruit bats infected with Marburg virus do not to show obvious signs of illness. Primates (including humans) can become infected with Marburg virus, and may develop serious disease with high mortality.

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If you are interested in some high-level epidemiological reading, I strongly suggest the book written by my friend & colleague, Dr. Mark Dworkin of Univ of IL School of Public Health, called "Outbreak Investigations."  I think you would all enjoy it a great deal, it is very readable and one of my favorite texts in epidemiology! 

https://www.amazon.com/Outbreak-Investigations-Around-World-Epidemiology/dp/076375143X


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CSR- thanks for the book recommendation!

CARBON- yes, the Hot Zone is the first book I read, then I went crazy and read every single book our library had on viruses, pandemics, epidemiology, etc. Became a huge hobby of mine. 

'A man who does not think and plan long ahead will find trouble right at his door.'
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The Coming Plague was excellent!  Also loved Flu by Gina Kolata, Plagues And Peoples was good, and The Great Influenza was pretty good.  Have not gotten around to reading Demon In The Freezer or The Hot Zone Yet.

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 MUST BUY NEW DISEASE BOOKS...

My husband’s going to wonder where all these Amazon deliveries are coming from!  

ViQueen, read The Demon in the Freezer!!! It’s so interesting and incredibly unsettling.

Another incredible book about smallpox, this one in a more historical context: The Speckled Monster. It’s an incredible read!

Oooooh, the Hot Zone! Yes!! I read that shortly after “The Coming Plague” and it cemented my fascination with hemorrhagic fevers. Seriously, the sheet tearing noise!?! Eww! Gets me every time!

Y’all, I HAVE FOUND MY TRIBE!!! 

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Beach Mama and all yinz that like these kind of books, here's an ebook that is on sale on Amazon for $1.99:

https://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Outbreaks-Detectives-Threatened-Drug-Resistant-ebook/dp/B014WYJ1TA?_bbid=16321631&tag=bookbubemail14-20

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Wonders why 

Theses books are not compulsory in schools.....

maybe we wouldnt be in this position if they were.....

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