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Dutch Josh
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Posted: August 29 2020 at 4:59am |
DJ-Allthough the government tried to prohibit this demonstration against Corona measures in Germany-a court order allowed the demonstration if there was enough face masks, social distancing. Extreme right wing groups (neo-nazi 's etc) are among the demonstrators. (DJ-We do see that also in other countries-although in general the picture may be more mixed-some right wing politicians want stricter rules-often as an excuse to close borders, extra rules against minorities etc.) Since there is no social distancing (and face masks seem to be used as masqeurade to start riots) 3000 Berlin police now trying to stop the (among 30.000 plus) demonstration. DJ-The demonstration crowd is growing from one side-the police on the other side-gets a group (20.000+ ?) in the middle-with lots of risks. [url]https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-fresh-protests-kick-off-against-coronavirus-curbs/a-54751643[/url] or https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-fresh-protests-kick-off-against-coronavirus-curbs/a-54751643 and [url]https://www.rt.com/on-air/499391-protesters-rally-covid19-measures-berlin/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/on-air/499391-protesters-rally-covid19-measures-berlin/ |
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It was one our tv news last night. One person interviewed said he was protesting because he wanted "things to go back to where they were before". I can understand that longing, but didn't he realise that he was making it harder to get back to normal? It is said that humans are very good at change if given enough time, it just seems that the pandemic moved faster than most people's ability to find a "new normal". |
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Dutch Josh
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EdwinSM-I think there is a big communication problem. I do take the virus very serious but I also realize that when you are the one making very huge sacrifices-loosing your job, maybe even your house you want a clear and honest story. Reporting [url]https://www.dw.com/en/thousands-turn-out-in-berlin-to-protest-coronavirus-measures/a-54756290[/url] or https://www.dw.com/en/thousands-turn-out-in-berlin-to-protest-coronavirus-measures/a-54756290 in my eyes seems biased. The picture I did get from Dutch press A-It was a very big demonstration-most likely more than 30.000 ptotesters and B-It was a very mixed crowd. Yes there were some neo-nazi's but they were a small minority (more or less controlled by peacefull demonstrators). But also orthodox-anti vax-ers, anti 5G demonstrators and people just questioning the balance between the risk of the virus and what they have to give up in basic freedoms. Here in the NL mandatory facemasks may go against the constitution. There is a limit in "government dress codes"-and I think that is a good thing in itself. There has to be a basis for any government to make rules, be "in power", get respected. Both "experts" and politicians failed to work on getting/maintaining such a basis. We should be moving to a "new normal" but politics fails to set goals for that new normal, guarantees for the "Joe Average" working (wo)men on income, housing, health care. To much money goes to "old normal" (a.o. airlines with limited future) and to little to job/school/house/healthcare "security". The protests-in many places-send a very mixed message. I agree with some of their views-disagree on a lot of others... |
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Dutch Josh
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DJ-One of the protest-signs did read "We know where blind obedience (to governments) (can) lead to" referring to the nazi-past of Germany. Following pandemic rules should not be based on "blind obedience" but on trust and knowledge of information. For that matter I do welcome protests "as a sign of no blind obedience"-those in power always-in a democracy-have to be challanged to give/get credits for their decisions. We are all humans-with our own weakenesses and failures, inperfections-therefore criticism should always be welcome and be used constructive (even if that criticism itself may be "evil") to improve communications. I follow rules not because of the punishments, fines I can face when not following (most) rules but because I believe "those rules are for the better of all of us" as good as one may be able to get them at that moment in time-always far from perfect... Maybe (government, healthcare) communications should more focus on that part-not "blind obedience". |
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Obviously if we are on this site, We who have been laughed at and ridiculed Are a few jumps ahead of the general population, we know and have been preparing for this event or something much much worse, others havnt been aware for one reason or another Mainly the denial of the science..... Then you have others who just go out and cause trouble just for the sheer joy of it, I wish it was the real slate wiper...... The planet will survive, get rid of the humans who are just destroying the biosphere..... I say to the god bothers I work with..... Your god must looking down on this mess and saying...... I think I'll leave that mess I made as an apprentice and move on, shielding his eyes With embarrassment.....as he goes...... Take care all stay safe 😷😉 |
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Sorry I was in a black mood when I wrote that,wacthing the demos in Portland......., Suns up now, bright new day out there..... The 28s(bird ,type of parrot ) making a big mess out back while they raid the gum tree of nuts,while the honey eaters get pollen from the opening flowers..... Spring is in the air.... I just Wonder what the future holds for my grandchildren....... Wish we could all live in Eden..... Stay safe all 😉 |
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DJ-In retrospect the major Berlin demonstration was peacefull in general-thanks both to the protesters and police. But [url]https://www.dw.com/en/german-leaders-slam-extremists-who-rushed-reichstag-steps/a-54758246[/url] or https://www.dw.com/en/german-leaders-slam-extremists-who-rushed-reichstag-steps/a-54758246 a small group of extreme right wing demonstrators-protesting against democracy-with "kaiser"flags (from Germany till 1918-since they are not allowed to use nazi-flags) did storm the reichstag-Germen parliament. The majority of protesters most likely do not agree with these extremists-still they are being used/played by these "thugs". As in other countries-freedom of protest should not be limited since there is a risk of anti-democracy protesters misusing that freedom. But it is a contradiction...people demonstrating against NPI-seeing their demonstration forbidden because they do not stick to NPI. Anti democracy demonstrators using the right to protest against basicly the right to protest... |
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