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CDC mulling face masks for the public |
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Pixie
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Posted: March 30 2020 at 8:35pm |
pheasant
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Good post Pixie...Tough to swallow that our government has purposely lied to us, very sad. |
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WitchMisspelled
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But wouldn't home made face masks give people a false sense of security? Is there any evidence that supports home made masks prevent spread? |
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Technophobe
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A bit of both. The home made mask would offer the wearer no protection at all, quite possibly make things worse by increasing the chance of secondary infection. At the same time, should the wearer have the virus, even the most inappropriate cloth, as long as it covered mouth and nose, would massively reduce droplet spread and, by extension, community spread. If a government was to make public mask wearing compulsory, those who were forced to use a scarf or whatever, would still cut down the spread. Should this happen, I will still be in my FFP3! (I want protection for me!) But as mine are valved and offer no protection to those near me, I would wear a surgical mask over the top. It's not rocket science! 'And yes, it could increase complacency. People need to be a bit scared first! (Those who are not scared, don't understand things yet!) |
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pheasant
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I'm not a medical expert, but I would have to assume even a modest cotton mask would give some sort of protection even if it was just from larger particles of dust that might have the virus on them. Here is my prospective: for since the advent of nuclear weapons we have always said : "any protection is better than no protection" Plastic, paper, leaves, soil, wood, cloth....anything protects more than nothing in the latter example. So in this instance, I would logically conclude that a cotton fabric, would at the very minimum cut down on the inhaled viral load in each inhalation.......just my 2 cents. And I will say it again, how audacious for us to think we know better than 2-3 billion other people? and at the same time say "we simply do not know enough about this virus" but continue to unequivocally state masks do nothing to protect the user in a non medical setting.....I call BS. |
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WitchMisspelled
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pheasant, that's pretty much what I've always thought. If everyone is masked, even with a simple surgical mask, it prevents/minimizes spread. Surgical masks were the vast majority of what people wore as they were required to wear a mask in public in China. If it prevents spread, the less need for masks that protect. But, I do believe masks that protect should be reserved for healthcare and emergency workers. I'd like to add that here in my little corner of Brooklyn, most of the people I see are wearing masks. I doubt they know it's not protecting them. But if it protect me and everyone else, I'm all for it! |
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Ditto, ditto! |
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CRS, DrPH
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Proper hand hygiene and sneeze control removes the need for any mask. Asian countries didn't have a better outcome because of masks....they have a more obedient culture, and governments not afraid to use police to enforce social distancing and quarantine. Wearing a bandana will be as good as wearing an N-95 mask for droplet control. Save a mask, save a life (HC worker). |
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FluMom
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I have surgical and n95 masks and use them when I think I need them. Sorry but I purchased them years ago and they are MINE and I will use them. People should not feel guilty if they have been prepping for years or got some a week ago they should and can use them. Sorry CRS but I have given some to medical people needing them but I and my family come first. People should use them if they have them. NO HOARDING but use what you need. |
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CRS, DrPH
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The authors of this article are colleagues of mine from University of Illinois at Chicago Medical Center. I find their arguments against widespread use of masks to be convincing. Dr. Brosseau is a national expert on respiratory protection and infectious diseases and professor (retired), University of Illinois at Chicago. We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical masks because:
The Asian experience is not very convincing to me, as their governments were MUCH more strict on enforcing social distancing & quarantine than we Westerners could ever be! I think that is why they had such swift response to their infection control. However, we are also finding that they hid a great deal over there: |
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Pixie
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https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2020/04/03/2003733895 The only reason we are not wearing them is due to shortage. Too many media saying the n95 only for medical workers. We prepared,we have masks,I feel we will be mask shamed, |
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Tabitha111
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do like me and buy the cloth masks folks are making to place over your N95. |
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