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    Posted: December 24 2009 at 4:24pm
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CONGRESS >   "SORTA Health Care" Bill?
 
 
 
 
 
Or the Best Health Care Bill?
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The Public Is Too Wrapped Up in xmas to Protest...  very crafty of CONGRESS
 
 
 
 
 
Ho Ho Ho ...    Merry Health Care
 
 
and too all a   (good Luck )
 
 
 
 
 American citizens and legal residents would be required to have health
 
insurance, or pay a fine.
 
 
For an  individual,
 
the fine would be $750 per year or 2
 
percent of household income, whichever is greater;
 
for a family,
 
the maximum fine would be $2,250 per year or 2 percent of household income.
 
The fines
 
would go into effect gradually, starting in 2014.
 
 
The House bill is similar, with
 
exemptions for certain low-income people.
 
 
(ahh...the low income... escape hatch...  once again no relief for the middle class)
 
 
 
They are trying to forge one Bill at this point....
 
 
from-

How the Senate Bill Would Change Healthcare
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By Rick Newman , On Thursday December 24, 2009, 7:43 am EST
 
 
 
Senate negotiators will next meet with their counterparts in the House--which passed its own $894 billion bill in November--to work out the differences and try to forge one bill that Congress can present to President Obama.
 
Article here-
 
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This is what Dave has to say...
 
 
Dave - Thursday December 24, 2009 02:32PM EST

Let me get this straight. We just passed a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president that also hasn't read it, and who smokes, with funding to be administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What possibly could go wrong?

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The congressional representatives seem to be so out of touch with reality.   It is certainly time to clean the plate and dispose of all.  We certainly couldnt do worse with a whole new batch.
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For all the feces they talked about Bush, Bush was none of that. Bush was the last great President. The OJ jury has taken over quite litterally. But in the end he got his...
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I think the last great president has been dead for so long that only historians have a glimmer of a memory of what that really means.
 
Originally posted by Trashcanman Trashcanman wrote:

For all the feces they talked about Bush, Bush was none of that. Bush was the last great President. The OJ jury has taken over quite litterally. But in the end he got his...
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Originally posted by Trashcanman Trashcanman wrote:

For all the feces they talked about Bush, Bush was none of that. Bush was the last great President. The OJ jury has taken over quite litterally. But in the end he got his...
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You Have Got To Be Kidding Me (Bush was the last great President)
 

Have ytou been living in a fantasy world or is this just a cruel joke!
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell
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How soon we forget lol
Something wicked these way comes!!
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In the bigger picture of the future, Bush was the last of the AMERICAN PATRIATE Presidents. ALL of whom were great. The white house is now infected with something far worse than any virus ever posted on this site. Your ideology is viral, contageous and deadly and wrong... Greatness in Presidencies is not about you it is abot us.
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Self Fullfilling Prophecy Them
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Bush was *NOT* great aside from his work with AIDS in Africa and the successful regime change in Iraq. His plan for Social Security would have been highly beneficial too. He may have been a patriot (<--- proper spelling) but great? The jury's still out on that one

Just about everything else Bush did was a disaster.

Barack Obama has been an unmitigated disaster in every possible category, and doesn't seem to be letting off the streak one bit. I'm everyday simply astounded at what comes out of that idiot's mouth.

This healthcare deal is a NECESSARY debate, but the change that's being force fed to the American people is not the change the people wanted. If the Democrats were so worried about healthcare insurance costs they'd have removed the limitations the government has imposed on insurance competition across state lines. The government is specifically responsible for the high costs of healthcare and insurance. There is no way in hell that a government bureaucrat is going to do a better job of deciding what's best for your health than your personal doctor.

This healthcare deal is about control, plain and simple. There is a provision in the bill that requires every American to purchase health insurance under penalty of felony imprisonment if they don't pay the federally imposed fine! I'm at a complete loss as to where in any Constitution there is a provision where the government can force anyone to purchase anything they may or may not want to purchase. There are people that are actually talking about armed resistance when law enforcement comes to arrest them for not purchasing insurance. That's scary as hell! The day I'm told to enforce that law will be the same day my badge will be on the Sheriff's desk. I vowed to uphold the Constitution, not uphold what a fascist president and his Liberal goons tell me to. This bill is the single most unconstitutional piece of garbage since the Patriot act.

This is the base problem with Liberalism's "Big Brother knows best" attitude. They want to guide your life as they see fit, not as you yourself do. Granted this knife cuts both way, the hardline Republicans are just as bad, but they're not the ones making the laws, are they?
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Does this mean you are looking for a Third Party to nominate from next time around?
 
 
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Just about everything else Bush did was a disaster.

Barack Obama has been an unmitigated disaster
 
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Originally posted by Mary008 Mary008 wrote:

Does this mean you are looking for a Third Party to nominate from next time around?
 


Maybe if they had a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Something like a common sense party that would be for small government, extreme civil rights, fiscal responsibility, and not trying to force everyone else to live their lives the way they dictate. I just say leave people alone, but that's not what either party is about anymore.

The Democrats are pretty much big government Socialists/Communists and the Republicans either should sit with the big government Democrats or they're religious fanatics that want to force everyone to live by the screwed up doctrines their respective religion dictates.

I say that the people should be able to do whatever they damn well please as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's ability to do whatever they want. My views fall very much as a strong Libertarian, but that party is too stupid to hide their wackjobs like the Democrats were doing up until last year when they took power and subsequently abused it and showed their true colors and the Republicans do regularly. 

I'm pro rights, pro women's rights, (Yes I'm pro choice) pro gay rights, but I believe that instead of pushing the gay agenda trying to get the church to accept gay marriage, which is exactly what gay marriage is about, they should have the government only view civil unions be they man-man, man-woman, woman-woman and since marriage is a religious institution, only the church can sanctify it. I'm pro gun (Obviously, it's in the Constitution).

Did I cover it all?
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:)    Does that mean you'll run?
 
 
 
Will Congress do the Right Thing?
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... It's hard for people between 55 and 65 to get insurance on their own - and when they
 
lose their jobs (or if their spouse provided insurance and s/he retires), they can find
 
themselves uninsured just when they start having serious medical problems and
 
worrisome medical bills. 

So, from a public policy point of view, I like the idea of a Medicare "buy in" for people 55
 
and over who don't have access to employer-based (or other) health insurance.
 
 
 
 
 
 

This could make it all more acceptable to many...
 

..."Under the new Medicare plan, consumers ages 55 to 64 would for the first time be
 
allowed to buy into the federal program for the elderly, starting as soon as 2011.
 
Congressional aides estimate that two million to three million people would participate."
 
The element of this bill that is most interesting is not the creation of the NFP private
 
insurance company overseen by the federal Office of Personnel Management.
 
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I'm not a millionaire and I'm not bribable to go against what I stand for, nor am I a politically connected harumphing Fudd or an avowed Socialist. I stand for common sense so I'm pretty much exactly what both the Republicans *AND* the Democrats are against: a Free Thinker.
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And I'm sorry. I empathize with you to a certain degree, Turbo but in my opinion everybodies ideas have all boiled down to two very distinct sides. And by default, everyone who is somewhere in between and or nuetral will always fall to the left because the people on the right are passionate and unmistakeable in their beliefs. We do not waver. Where as half of the people on the left have no clue what the hell any of this is all about. But boy are they so educated about all the new so called legalizations of dope. The point is my friend, Liberatarianism is a dead horse and so is conservatism next if you don't join with us and help us fight (we need good men) for what remains of all we really have left of what was once Great. I am not a religeous fanatic. In fact I don't believe in God at all.. I own tattoo shops. I spent a year straight in the cell next door to Charles Manson, had Death Row prisoners on my gangsters bosses yard that I did about 15 years at. I should be the ultimate Democrate but instead I am Halkish and staunchly Coservative. You all should wonder why. You may learn something Great.
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Don't get me wrong Trashman, I'm very, very conservative, but I'm for true conservatism, not the mutant that it's become or the caricature that Liberals paint anyone with a shred of common sense as.

The Republicans have all but abandoned their Conservative roots, and the Democrats... well they've become an effigy of exactly what's wrong with the worst parts of our country. Detroit has been under Liberal hegemony since 1960 and even before the auto industry crash, it's been a disaster of epic proportions. Their pie in the sky, perfect world always falls flat and they're beholden to the screwed up Union's (UAW and SEIU) as well as the enviro-wackos and the dirtbag trial lawyers. Reference Detroit, Washington DC, New Orleans, etc as dismal failures.

The Republicans tout fiscal responsibility, yet under their twelve year rule they did just about nothing to get our country back on the right track, and actually did damage! I tend to vote Republican as they 're the ones who have more views in line with what I believe, but they're just so wrong when it comes to women's rights, Cloning/stem cell research, and are all but beholden to the pharmaceutical industry and the Religious wingnuts.

I'm not going to wind up going left, as even at the maximum extent of my "Leftitude" I am simply unable to abandon the sense of reality. As much as I'd love to say that everyone winds up one way or the other, I'm forced to pick and choose between the parties as they've both got great things going for them as well as really terrible deals too.
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I guess we have ... most of us, come around to the thought that it matters not so much who the Pres. is... but the actions of the Congress that messes with citizens lives, for better or----------  worse.   ( like year after year letting the big Corps slide on taxes, pensions, health care, jobs overseas... etc. and the taxes from the wealthy on the decrease. )
 
 
Where are we headed?
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Honestly I can't blame them for sending jobs overseas. Not having to deal with unions that aren't there for the workers, but are only there to garner power would be numero uno on my list as to why I would move my labor department to Mexico.
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Honestly I can't blame them for sending jobs overseas.
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True, it's logical...  speaking to the corporate bottom line.
 
But ... it's on a rather , massive scale in some areas.  We can't be left with ...a Service Industry as the main employment base.... as many IT jobs go to India. and
 
China (via Mexico/Canada) /japan ...are vying for our auto industry.
 
 
 Great Video
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Globalization... changing India

 
( 245,000 workers )
 
The Other Side of Outsourcing
 

 

 

Out Of India

More American Companies Are Sending Jobs Overseas

By Rebecca Leung
 
(CBS)  For decades, American manufacturers of everything from blue jeans to semiconductors have searched the world for the cheapest labor they could find.

It may have cost hundreds of thousands of American jobs, but it's made American products more affordable. Now, some of the most familiar companies -ones we deal with every day - are moving a whole new class of jobs overseas.

They call it outsourcing.
 
 
 
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There are many excuses for outsourcing but only one real answer
 
The American people have been fooled into believing the excuses.
 
When you can hire 5 to 10 chineese or Inian verses one American the math is pretty clear. Will they tell you this, of course not that would make them a traiter to their country and the people who built their great corporation.
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

There are many excuses for outsourcing but only one real answer
 
The American people have been fooled into believing the excuses.
 
When you can hire 5 to 10 chineese or Inian verses one American the math is pretty clear. Will they tell you this, of course not that would make them a traiter to their country and the people who built their great corporation.


You're exactly, 100% right!

But I think it's deeper than just, "I can pay them less in Mexico/India/China."

Here's a good example: The average GM auto worker, represented by the UAW got $72 an hour. The same guy working for a Japanese company gets $42 an hour. I know how much I want to pay for the same work. These aren't Japanese workers, these are people working for Japanese companies who aren't subject to the UAW.

Furthermore, the UAW instated a Job Bank system whereby people couldn't be fired even if they were horrible employees! They would go into a job bank and wait for another opening WHILE STILL COLLECTING 70% OF THEIR WAGE! That is totally unsustainable in any business mode and it was mandated by the UAW. I want to get on that ticket. I can sit at home, not work, and get PAID!

I'm not saying that unions can't be extremely beneficial in stopping corporate arseholes from abusing the hell out of employees, they can and do. I'm part of a union now and they're the reason that I'm not getting $13 an hour to patrol streets. The problem is that many of these unions are far more concerned with garnering power (*cough* SEIU) than with protecting worker's rights. They'll sooner run companies into the ground than give an inch.

Then let's talk about taxes. The Government's getting the lion's share of every deal. If I move my operation to Mexico, guess who isn't paying exorbitant rates in taxes. Problem is that it's only getting worse. There was some research done a little while ago that said that European countries etc were more business friendly than America. When the land of opportunity is considered second, third, or twelfth to European countries, we've got a problem, our problem has a first name, and it's B-A-R-A-C-K.

The Nanny State policies, bailouts, and enviornmental policy that's more concerned with grabbing power than saving the environment are killing us. "Change" isn't always a good thing. I'm "Hope"-ing for something better but fear that I'm going to be disappointed.
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Dem Leaders Scheme to Scrap Health-Reform Conference Committee

By John Nichols
January 5, 2010

URGENT--Take Action NOW:

Tell Speaker Pelosi & Majority Leader Reid "NO on MANDATE, YES on STATES' RIGHTS"


Published by The Nation.

Progressive activists have put a good deal of energy into preparing for an anticipated House-Senate conference committee, in which the distinct health-care reform bills enacted by the two chambers would be reconciled. The theory has been that, in the conference process, it might be possible to strengthen the especially weak language and policies of the Senate bill.   more] -->

But what if there is no conference committee? What if key players in the House and Senate come up with a scheme that would allow them to "work things out" among themselves without having to empower a conference committee? What if they simply scrap the freewheeling and potentially difficult to control negotiation over the character and content of the final bill? 

Then pressure from progressives could be without consequence, as all authority would rest with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California; Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, and a few of their closest compatriots. And the insurance industry and other lobbying interests that offer congressional Democrats the prospect of substantial 2010 election funding would only have to deal with House and Senate leaders who are already thinking--make that, already worrying--about the fall and who have set themselves up as conduits for campaign cash.

Could such a scenario play out? Absolutely.

Indeed, every indication suggests that congressional Democratic leaders are preparing either to go with a so-called "ping-pong" approach that would have the House simply take up the Senate bill--or, more likely, to a strategy that would have differences between the two bills sorted out at the leadership level and agree to a set of changes that would be "packaged into a single amendment to the bill."

This is being pitched by some Democratic insiders--and their allies in the punditocracy--as a tactic that would exclude Republicans from the process. And there might be some appeal to getting the "party of no" out of the way. But a scheme that excludes right-wingers who are opposed to any change is also likely to exclude progressives who want real change.

Congressional Progressive Caucus co-chair Raul Grijalva, D-Arizona, who has argued for using the conference process to strengthen the weak Senate measure--by restoring a government-run public option as an alternative to profiteering by private insurers, among other initiatives--expressed frustration with the latest development in the reform fight.

"I am disappointed that there will be no formal conference process by which various constituencies can impact the discussion," said Grijalva. "I have not been approached about my concerns with the Senate bill, and I will be raising those at the Democratic Caucus meeting on Thursday. I and other progressives saw a conference as a means to improve the bill and have a real debate, and now with this behind-the-scenes approach, we're concerned even more."

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GOVT. Refuses To Be Transparent, Accountable?
 
(It's OK with Me if it means they are taxing the RICH)
 
 
 
Do You Believe What Frank Pallone is saying?    (Dem NJ )
 
 PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS? Or It Won't Get Passed?
 
 
 
FOX NEWS

January 7, 2010

Health Care Still Behind Closed Doors

What happened to openness, transparency promised by candidate Obama?

 
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Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:

Honestly I can't blame them for sending jobs overseas. Not having to deal with unions that aren't there for the workers, but are only there to garner power would be numero uno on my list as to why I would move my labor department to Mexico.
 
I hope you don't mean that about sending jobs overseas.
 
If cars are built here by americans.  We are paying Americans to build them.  Then we are also selling them back to Americans.  It's a win-win situation.  The problem is large corporate greed.  They want more and more.  The more they get, the more they want.  It's a disease.  You see this same disease spread into the larger cities.  The more some families have, the more they want.  They look at their neighbors and their neighbors have, and they feel they must have what their neighbor has ... or more. 
 
We need to take care of our own people by giving our people the jobs and selling our goods to our own people.
 
I buy everything I possibly can in my very small town.  I want to support my local businesses.  I want to put the money back into where I live, but you are finding fewer and fewer large corporations doing that.  They don't want to put their money where they live.  They want to put it overseas because it gives them a larger "return".  GREED.  You find that acceptable?
 
Of course, as I say, we can't really do anything about it, on a large scale, but what we can do is start telling ourselves and our kids "NO" if we don't really need something or it's too frivelous for us and we can't afford it. 
 
People over-buy, and they would lead you to believe you are helping the economy.  HAH!  You're hurting yourself when you use credit to buy something that puts you in a situation in which you have no money or goods to put away for yourself.  Most people live their financial lives day-to-day with no backup.  They're just a dollar away from being on the streets because they wanted the best for themselves and their kids, yet they're so close to living on the streets and don't even know it. 
 
So has the recessions taught us anything collectively?  We'll see.  Notice the little hampsters that everyone just had to have for their kids for Christmas.  This is a dangerous and never-ending trend.  Some people never learn.
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  • JANUARY 6, 2010, 6:48 P.M. ET

Married Couples Pay More Than Unmarried Under Health Bill

 
 
 
 
 
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Amish families exempt from insurance mandate

HEALTH REFORM: People with religious objections can opt out

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WASHINGTON - Federal health care reform will require most Northern New Yorkers-  but not all, it turns out- to carry health insurance or risk a fine.
 
 
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White House looks at passing health care without new Senate vote if GOP wins in Massachusetts

 
 
 
By: CHARLES BABINGTON
Associated Press

01/17/10 11:15 PM EST BOSTON
 

A panicky White House and Democratic allies scrambled Sunday for a plan to salvage their
 
hard-fought health care package in case a Republican wins Tuesday's Senate race in
 
Massachusetts, which would enable the GOP to block further Senate action.
 
The likeliest scenario would require persuading House Democrats to accept a bill the
 
Senate passed last month, despite their objections to several parts.
 
 
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Sources: Obama advisers believe Coakley will lose
 
 
 
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Brown win could spark legal battle
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By CHRIS FRATES & MANU RAJU
 1/17/10 8:18 PM EST
 
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...Republicans are worried that if Brown wins, Democrats will try to jam through a Senate health reform vote while Kirk still occupies the seat, in the time between Brown's election and when he is certified the winner.

Kirk has pledged to vote for reform for as long as he remains a senator, even if Brown wins Tuesday. Some Republican lawyers are arguing he won’t have the chance.
 
 
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Obama, Democrats Signal Willingness to Scale Back Health Bill
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By Laura Litvan and Nicole Gaouette
 
 
Jan. 21 2010
(Bloomberg)
 
 
President Barack Obama and House Democratic lawmakers signaled a willingness to scale
 
back legislation overhauling the U.S. health-care system after the party suffered a defeat
 
in a key Senate race.
 
 
 
 
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Are Democrats discussing a parliamentary end run?
 
 
 

COLUMN - Health care reform is dead - or is it?
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By JIM TIMMERMANN
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Posted Jan 24, 2010 @ 07:54 PM
 
Holland, MI -In the wake of Scott Brown’s game-changing victory in the U.S. Senate race in
 
Massachusetts, is there any point in dragging the nation through further wangling over
 
health care reform this year?

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I read a little about this health bill awhile back after someone told me that you could be fined for not having insurance.  I was quite shocked to hear that. 
 
Anyway, I got to reading and realized the bill had some VERY good points.  If you can afford insurance, yet you are stupid enough to not insure yourself, yes you should be fined because it's people like this who cost others an arm and a leg in health care. 
 
It's a shame that it would have to come to this, but lets face it.  There are a lot of really stupid people out there who cannot think for themselves.  They go out and throw their money away on foolishness, but yet whine and cry that they can't afford health insurance or incurred a bill they cannot afford.  They should have thought about that when they went out and bought their kid a Wii or a $10,000 first car. 
 
The government would be assisting those who can't afford it and demanding it of those who can. 
 
Health insurance is a necessity just as much as having a roof over your head and food on your table.  It's not a luxury.  It's a necessity. 
 
We're long overdue for health care reform.  Something has to be done.  No one is going to agree on anyone thing so it's going to take some sort of compromise. Unfortunately, government has to play mommy and daddy because like I said, not only are there people who truly need assistance, but there are a lot of really stupid people who don't know how to manage their money, and they are too stupid to take care of themselves so the government just wants to help steer them in the right direction *tough love*..HAH!
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Yes....We do need Health Care Reform.  Unfortunately, the current "Obamacare" is NOT reform.  Please see an alternative below.  If Pelosi will ever let it come to the table.
 
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Of course, since no one knows what the current combined bill holds for us the above video
was what / is in store for us.
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Focus of health care bill may be changing, officials signal
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January 31, 2010 1:56 p.m. EST
 

Washington (CNN) -- Democratic efforts to pass a health care bill have stalled a bit, and
 
the immediate focus may be shifting toward health insurance reform instead of quickly
 
trying to pass a comprehensive bill, White House officials signaled Sunday.
 
 
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If Congress and the President do not act to make permanent the Bush tax cut, known formally as the
 
 
 
Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA),
 
 
a family of four earning the median income can expect its federal income tax bill to increase
 
 
 
by $2,681 between 2010 and 2011, a 48.8 percent increase.
 
 
This will amount to 3.3 percent of the family's adjusted gross income in that year and roughly equals what the average family of four spends on out-of-pocket health care costs each year.
 
 
 
Demand that CONGRESS
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makes permanent the Bush tax cut, known formally as the
 
Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA),
 
 
Write them now
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Heads up on "Expiration" of Tax Benefits for the Lower/and Middle Classes.
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Titled "The Effect of Temporary Tax Relief on a Typical American Family of Four," the new Tax Foundation Special Report explains that the so-called Byrd Rule in the Senate is the reason that EGTRRA was enacted with an automatic expiration date at the end of 2010.

The report also details the impact the expiration will have on the nation’s median-income families, explaining why some states will fare so much worse upon expiration.

Some pundits consider it inevitable that the tax cut will eventually be made permanent, but   (cont. after insert)

 
Daschle reportedly also did not pay taxes on an additional $83,333 that he earned as a consultant to InterMedia Partners in 2007; this was discovered by Senator Daschle's accountant in December 2008.[45] According to ABC News, Daschle also took tax deductions for $14,963 in donations that he made between 2005 and 2007 to charitable organizations that did not meet the requirements for being tax deductible.[46]
 
The former Senator paid the three years of owed taxes and interest-an amount totaling $140,167-in January 2009,[43][44][45][47] but still reportedly owed "Medicare taxes equal to 2.9 percent" of the value of the car service he received, amounting to "thousands of dollars in additional unpaid taxes".[48]
 
 
 
 
On Tuesday, February 3, 2009, Daschle withdrew his nomination,[49] saying that he did
 
not wish to be a "distraction" to the Obama agenda.[3]
 
 
He was forced to withdraw because, even though he had a sufficient number of Democratic votes for nomination,
 
 
he became an untenable political liability for the President.[49]     (end insert)
 
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(former) Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle has stated,
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 "We will...  never bring up the permanent tax cut the president (Bush )has advocated. It is
bad policy, it is wrong, and it compounds the budget disaster that our country currently faces."

The major provisions of EGTRRA that affect average American families, all set to sunset ( EXPIRE )after December 31, 2010, include:

  • The creation of a new 10 percent individual income tax bracket, added to the existing bracket structure;
  • A phased-in reduction of the remaining individual income tax rates over the next five years;
  • A phased-in increase in the Child Tax Credit from its previous level of $500 per child to $1,000 per child in 2010; and
  • Marriage penalty relief phased in primarily between 2004 and 2010.
 
 
 

State-by-State Figures

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Because the median family income varies from state to state,
 
 
 the expiration of EGTRRA after 2010
 
will affect states differently. States with more low-income taxpayers will incur a
 
disproportionately large increase in their federal income tax bill between 2010 and 2011.
 
This is true for two primary reasons:

The absolute dollar amount of the federal standard deduction, personal exemption level, and child tax credit are standard across the country and across incomes. Therefore, these tax "benefits" will be of relatively greater value to families with lower incomes because they offset a greater percentage of their total taxable income.

Secondly, federal tax rate brackets are standard across the country.

 
Therefore, a family of four earning the median income in one state may be in a higher marginal tax bracket than
 
a family of four earning the median income in another state.
 
Measured as a percentage increase in federal income taxes due,
 
a typical family of four in Arkansas will be hit the hardest
 
as their total federal income tax bill will increase by 102 percent between 2010 and 2011.
 
 
The increase in five other states -
 
Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, New Mexico, and West Virginia-
 
 
will exceed 80 percent.
 
 
 
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About the Tax Foundation

Our Mission

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The mission of the Tax Foundation is to educate taxpayers about sound tax policy and the size of the tax burden borne by Americans at all levels of government. From its founding in 1937, the Tax Foundation has been grounded in the belief that the dissemination of basic information about government finance is the foundation of sound policy in a free society.

What Do We Stand For?
As a nonpartisan educational organization, the Tax Foundation has earned a reputation for independence and credibility. However, it is not devoid of perspective. All Tax Foundation research is guided by the following principles of sound tax policy, which should serve as touchstones for good tax policy everywhere:

Simplicity: Administrative costs are a loss to society, and complicated taxation undermines voluntary compliance by creating incentives to shelter and disguise income.

Transparency: Tax legislation should be based on sound legislative procedures and careful analysis. A good tax system requires informed taxpayers who understand how tax assessment, collection, and compliance works. There should be open hearings and revenue estimates should be fully explained and replicable.

Neutrality: The fewer economic decisions that are made for tax reasons, the better. The primary purpose of taxes is to raise needed revenue, not to micromanage the economy. The tax system should not favor certain industries, activities, or products.

Stability: When tax laws are in constant flux, long-range financial planning is difficult. Lawmakers should avoid enacting temporary tax laws, including tax holidays and amnesties.

No Retroactivity: As a corollary to the principle of stability, taxpayers should rely with confidence on the law as it exists when contracts are signed and transactions made.

Broad Bases and Low Rate: As a corollary to the principle of neutrality, lawmakers should avoid enacting targeted deductions, credits and exclusions. If such tax preferences are few, substantial revenue can be raised with low tax rates. Broad-based taxes can also produce relatively stable tax revenues from year to year.

 
 
 
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Did You Read     EXPIRATION   of Middle Class Tax Benefits.. Above?
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Breaking Up Health Care Reform: What Pieces Can Stand Alone?
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By: Jon Walker

Monday February 1, 2010 10:15 am
 
      
Recently, there has been some talking about breaking up health care reform into multiple bills. Others have argued that this is impossible because most of the components of the health care are too interconnected.
 
While it is true that some reforms can't easily be separated, the reality is that the current health care bill is made up of several effectively independent parts. I'm not advocating for breaking up reform, but I intent to show how this current bill might be broken up.
 
If Democrats did intend to pass health care reform piecemeal, a different strategy for coverage expansion might be smart.
 
 
 
 
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As long as Congress gets over the notion that the way to have health care
 
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for all the OVERTAXED middle class     to Buy Their Own Health Care or be Fined.
 
while giving taxes for the poor folks health care.
 
( the entire Congress needs to be replaced, for a lack of imagination )
  
 
 
 

Updated February 08, 2010 
 

Republicans Come to Health Care Table Willing to Negotiate
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FOXNews.com
 
 
Republicans say they have no idea yet who will be invited to join President Obama later
 
this month to discuss health care reform but they have plenty of ideas if Obama is sincere
 
about wanting to work together.
 
 
 
 
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You will like Bill
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Short and interesting...

BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Essay: Health Care | PBS
 
 

Long... and Very interesting...   ( Congress Lend an Ear )

BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Single Payer Health Insurance | PBS
 
 
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Long Show... Bill mentions,  Tommy Douglas
 
 
 
 
The Honourable Thomas Clement Douglas
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Tommy Douglas is considered one of the Greatest Canadians by the CBC.
 
 
 
see the full comment here-
Posted by: Tom DVM | July 13, 2007 8:22 PM
 
scienceblogs.com/.../michael_moore_puts_sanjay_gupt.php
 
 
As I understand it, in the 1950's, both the USA and Canada were contemplating publically funded medicare. The Canadian Medical Association and the American Medical Association were against the proposal.
 
 
It happened that in Canada we had a fiesty socialist named Tommy Douglas who was a minister as well as the premier of Saskatchewan, a small province on the prairies of Canda. Tommy Douglas, as a young boy, had been threatened with a leg amputation until a surgeon provided his services free of charge so the leg could be saved.
 
 
This and Tommy's concern for his community propelled him forward to do the unthinkable in North America. He instituted free hospital care under the direct withering criticism of the Canadian Government and a protracted doctor strike. Many doctors of similar belief came into Saskatchewan and provided medical services despite threats to life and limb.
 
 
His bravery and steadfastness shamed the Canadian Government into following suit...and that is how universal healthcare was born in Canada...
 
Thomas Clement "Tommy" Douglas,
PC, CC, SOM (20 October 1904 - 24 February 1986)
was a Scottish-born Baptist minister who became a prominent Canadian social democratic politician. As leader of the Saskatchewan Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF) from 1942 and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan from 1944 to 1961.
He led the first socialist government in North America and introduced universal public healthcare to Canada. When the CCF united with the Canadian Labour Congress to form the New Democratic Party, he was elected as its first federal leader and served in that post from 1961 to 1971. He is warmly remembered for his folksy wit and oratory with which he expressed his determined idealism, exemplified by his fable of Mouseland.
In 1930 Douglas married Irma Dempsey, a music student at Brandon College. They had one daughter, actress Shirley Douglas, and they later adopted a second daughter Joan, who became a nurse.
His grandson is the actor Kiefer Sutherland.[1]
He was voted "The Greatest Canadian" of all time in a nationally televised contest organized by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in 2004. His candidacy was advocated by CBC's George Stroumboulopoulos.
 
 
The miniseries Prairie Giant: The Tommy Douglas Story, was filmed between February and May 2005 and aired on CBC Television in two parts on March 12 and 13, 2006.
 
wikipedia
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Tommy Douglas on Future of Medicare (1983)
 

Tommy Douglas - The story of Mouseland
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1GtIhwpSk&feature=related
 
 
 
 
Michael Moore on Canadian Healthcare
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC8da441HIE&feature=related
 
 
 
 

Canadian healthcare: Fact vs. fiction
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG4AZaubFew
 
 
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Obey: Senate version of healthcare is sick
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Story posted Tuesday at 3:50 p.m.
 
2/16/2010
 
 
 
"There are loopholes in the Senate bill where almost 80 million people in fact would
 
not have been given the protection against insurance companies who exclude you
 
because of pre-existing conditions. So that kind of nonsense needs to go."
 
 
 
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Governors meeting in D.C. vow to press ahead with healthcare reform options
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By Jared Allen - 02/20/10 12:33 PM ET
 
The nation's 50 governors pledged Saturday not to wait for a federal

healthcare fix to start enacting reforms of their own
 
 
 
 
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Reid would back a public option in reconciliation
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February 19, 2010

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid signaled today that he would support
including a public option in a reconciliation bill.
 
Article here-
 
 
 
Public Option Explained
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The Truth Behind Public Option
 
 
 
 
 
Choose it if you want it...     Talk to Congress
 
 
 
 
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 Private Insurers will treat people better if they know there is a Choice for Consumers
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Choice is OK
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More on Public Option
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The Truth About Healthcare Public Option -- Howard Dean
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Keep Big Insurance Corps On Their Toes
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Public wants   Options
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Dodd Supports a Public Option as Part of Health Care Reform
 
 
good speaker... topic begins about 1/3 way into film
 
WE need it now... not OK to wait... 
 
 
 
 
Rep. Anthony Weiner Discusses Public Option Health Care
 
 
 
 
 
orbit639 (3 months ago)  

a point that i have yet to hear anyone make is with health care for everyone, the medical field will boom with jobs for nurses, doctors, new technology and everything else involved in the medical field. 42 million americans who are uninsured now will flock to the doctor. the problem with that i guess would be that the billionares who are robbing us now wont get much of a cut of the influx of money...
 
 
 
 
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Use your VOTE to send a message.
 
 
 SAME Old Song And Dance...
 
 
We will Phase it in over X years...
 
 
 
 
The House bill fully phases out the donut hole over 10 years.
 
 
by phasing down the coinsurance
so it is the standard 25% by 2020 throughout the coverage gap.
 
 
 
 
As expected, the plan has no public option
 
WHAT?
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Why Not?  How will it keep Ins. Corps in Line?   
 
 They Will >>>   All Stick Together and
 
Charge Big Time
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as soon as they knew the Govt was getting into it the cost of premiums went up and
 
available services went down...  OMG
 
Time to send CONGRESS a message....   With your     VOTE.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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The President's Health Care Proposal

02.22.10, 10:00 AM EST

A detailed summary of President Obama's reform proposal.

 
 
 
 
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Congress Is Tweeking Medicare   Like Crazy    In This Bill,
 
So Where Is Our        AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE?
 

Round and Round We Go
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In the   "Health Care Bill"

Biofuels? 

 
Middle Class continues to flounder,
 
while assisting the poor with their    Good Health Care.

Stuff is ....  so far out there ...  as to be ... nuts.  
 
 
from 2014 through 2017...Federal support
 
for all States for newly eligible individuals
 
95% support for 2018 and 2019, and 90% for 2020
 
( hanging on for dear life ? )

 
CONGRESS READ OUR LIPS
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NO TAX GAMES and Fuzzy Percentages that can be toyed with.
 
 
 
Where's the Beef?
 
 
 
Increase in Fees on Brand Name Pharmaceuticals.
As more Americans gain health insurance, more will be able to pay for prescription drugs.

 
Close Tax Loopholes.
Adopts two House proposals to close tax loopholes: (1) Current law provides a tax credit
 
for the production of cellulosic biofuels.

 
 
OTHER POLICY IMPROVEMENTS
 
Improve the Fairness of Federal Funding for States. States have been partners with the
 
Federal government in creating a health care safety net for low-income and vulnerable
 
populations.

 
The Senate bill creates a nationwide Medicaid eligibility floor as a foundation for
 
exchanges at $29,000 for a family of 4
 
 
 
 
CONGRESS READ OUR LIPS
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WHERE IS THE ASSIST FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS?  
 
WE WANT MEDICAID/MEDICARE TOO !
 
 
 
 
 
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