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    Posted: January 03 2022 at 10:04am

Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people.

“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.”

OneAmerica is a $100 billion insurance company that has had its headquarters in Indianapolis since 1877. The company has approximately 2,400 employees and sells life insurance, including group life insurance to employers in the state

Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica.

“And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,” he said.

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”

Davison was one of several business leaders who spoke during the virtual news conference on Dec. 30 that was organized by the Indiana Chamber of Commerce.

Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths, Davison said.

“What the data is showing to us is that the deaths that are being reported as COVID deaths greatly understate the actual death losses among working-age people from the pandemic. It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.”

The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319.

These deaths were for people of all ages, however, while the information referenced by Davison was for working-age people who are employees of businesses with group life insurance policies.

At the same news conference where Davison spoke, Brian Tabor, the president of the Indiana Hospital Association, said that hospitals across the state are being flooded with patients “with many different conditions,” saying “unfortunately, the average Hoosiers’ health has declined during the pandemic.”

In a follow-up call, he said he did not have a breakdown showing why so many people in the state are being hospitalized – for what conditions or ailments. But he said the extraordinarily high death rate quoted by Davison matched what hospitals in the state are seeing.

"What it confirmed for me is it bore out what we're seeing on the front end,..." he said.

The number of hospitalizations in the state is now higher than before the COVID-19 vaccine was introduced a year ago, and in fact is higher than it’s been in the past five years, Dr. Lindsay Weaver, Indiana’s chief medical officer, said at a news conference with Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday.

Just 8.9% of ICU beds are available at hospitals in the state, a low for the year, and lower than at any time during the pandemic. But the majority of ICU beds are not taken up by COVID-19 patients – just 37% are, while 54% of the ICU beds are being occupied by people with other illnesses or conditions.

The state's online dashboard shows that the moving average of daily deaths from COVID-19 is less than half of what it was a year ago. At the pandemic's peak a year ago, 125 people died on one day – on Dec. 29, 2020. In the last three months, the highest number of deaths in one day was 58, on Dec. 13.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html

.Hmm wonder what could possibly be the commonality in the working class age group of 18-64?

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Interesting that he said they will be raising rates in areas with lower vaccination rates. Probably due to undercounting deaths and deaths due to lingering covid damage, but after the 28 day reporting window.


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Interesting because here in the UK we are exact opposite.  Deaths ( mortality from non covid causes) have decreased quite significantly. ( See article below Dec 2021)  or look on our ONS national statistics pages for direct comparisons on age groups)

I guess it's how well other hospital and health services are holding up.  I  the early months of the pandemic 2020 we had increase non covid deaths as Cancer services and diagnostics had to be scaled back.  Suicide rates sky rocketed as there was no mental health services and cardiac clinics were cancelled. 

As time progressed more services were brought back  and by April 2021  our excess deaths for non covid decreased.

  There were less deaths as there were less infectious diseases and we are normally bad with flu but that was greatly reduced.  They dont know why there were less heart attacks etc.( we are heart attack capital of the world).

We will probably see different outcomes on non covid mortality across the globe  and even within different regions of the same country, dpendent on impact of Covid on essential services and hospital beds in a specific area.

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During the pandemic, deaths from eight of the nine leading causes of death in England were lower than usual. The greatest reductions in percentage terms are for influenza/ pneumonia (48%) and chronic lung conditions (25%). As well as displaced mortality, reductions here are largely due to the lower prevalence of infectious diseases as a result of restrictions such as social distancing. The reasons behind reductions in deaths from stroke, heart attacks, angina and cancers are less clear

Quote Despite continuing deaths from COVID-19, in 2021 mortality from other causes has been  9% lower than  usual. In the midst of a pandemic, how could this have happened? Did the pandemic, and our lockdowns, unexpectedly reduce deaths from other causes? Or have deaths during the pandemic ‘displaced’ mortality that would otherwise occur at a later point in time?

"6 December 2021"

 https://www.health.org.uk/publications/long-reads/what-has-happened-to-non-covid-mortality-during-the-pandemic#:~:text=during%20the%20pandemic%3F-,6%20December%202021,-About%208%20mins

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I got a notice a couple of weeks ago from my life insurance company that rates are going up - due to more than expected payouts.  

We're a highly vaccinated area in a highly vaccinated state, so they're just raising it across the board. 

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Number of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) deaths in the U.S. as of December 15, 2021, by age*

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/


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The insurance company is saying something mysterious is killing the young and its not Covid. Wonder what it could be?


Maybe its super secret Covid???

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Originally posted by cobber cobber wrote:


The insurance company is saying something mysterious is killing the young and its not Covid. Wonder what it could be?


Maybe its super secret Covid???

Just yet another covid related coincidence right. How many is that?

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Before people chime in to debunk me. Note:

Anyone who dies with Covid symptoms or is suspected of having Covid is tested postmortem. Very few are slipping past screening (under todays standards). 


40% is a huge number. Something is seriously out of whack.  

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Originally posted by cobber cobber wrote:

Before people chime in to debunk me. Note:

Anyone who dies with Covid symptoms or is suspected of having Covid is tested postmortem. Very few are slipping past screening (under todays standards). 


40% is a huge number. Something is seriously out of whack.  

You noticed the narrative slip lately of dying "from" covid as opposed to dying "with" covid  or being hospitalized "with" covid as opposed to being hospitalized "from" covid if you are vaxxed? Funny how time and circumstances change things.

And notice most of the deaths were not covid related as far as the actual virus goes anyway. Yeah the data is starting to pile up. Something is amiss. Wonder what it could possibly be???

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Its the vaccine. There, i said it out loud.


Edit. Dr malone has commented on this today on a zerohedge article.

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Originally posted by nzdad nzdad wrote:

Its the vaccine. There, i said it out loud.

VAERS data as well as other countries pharmacovigalance data systems show something is happening. THAT IS FOR SURE.

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In my home town we had next to zero Covid cases, and 90% vaccination rate. I wonder what our death toll has been?

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Originally posted by nzdad nzdad wrote:

Its the vaccine. There, i said it out loud.


Edit. Dr malone has commented on this today on a zerohedge article.

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AI mate, thats brilliant.....Thankyou for the laugh 😁

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Originally posted by nzdad nzdad wrote:

AI mate, thats brilliant.....Thankyou for the laugh 😁

  

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You should really watch the full video before making a fools of yourselves...

CEO Statement- Death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people 

CEO Reaction- Raise rates in unvaccinated regions

                        Implement vaccine mandates throughout his company.

He must be listening to his actuaries instead of the disgraced doctor relegated to podcasts hosted by  comedians...

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If you're going to trust anyone to know the real cost of #COVID19 in terms of deaths, trust life insurance companies. I was there for this online news conference and it was stunning. Deaths are up 40% *from pre-pandemic levels* among working-age people.

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In the conference they explained that they're seeing deaths months after workers "recovered" from Covid from infection-related health consequences (heart attacks, vascular problems, etc.). These deaths don't get classified as "from Covid" because they're no longer "positive."

DJ The picture I am getting is we may need to redifine "recovery" with the virus most likely still doing a lot of damage in all kind of places in the body...but maybe not being picked up any longer by some tests....

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Although we are seeing the opposite in UK with non covid mortality having decreased during pandemic ( see previous post on this thread for link), you bring up the point of the virus being biphasic (harm done in 2 phases).

There is some evidence for this.  A report (see below for quote and link) on mild cases that resolve  can leave auto antibodies that have potential to attack healthy tissue.  Even 6 months after initial infection .  The profile of persistent autoantibodies varies between male and female.  This  is unheard of with coronavirus..

While I dont go with the theory the virus is a  weaponised Trojan horse  designed to put a ticking time bomb in us ( like some alarmist websites do), I  do think it may be  slightly more complicated in some people hence long covid.  In animals many somewhat harmless viruses turn out to be carcinogenic but in humans with our advanced proof reading this is less of a concern.  The viruses responsible are usually retroviruses  (example HIV which initially causes mild illness) but not coronaviruses.   The virus though is new and has characteristics we dont fully understand so I agree with you that it may have more tricks up its sleeve and is worth keeping an eye on.  Hopefully it's a one trick pony infected and resolved without sequel...but it would be premature to fix the science on that.

Quote and link.

Coronavirus leaves survivors with self-attacking antibodies

Months after recovering from SARS-CoV-2 infection, survivors have elevated levels of antibodies that can mistakenly attack their own organs and tissues, even if they had not been severely ill, according to new findings.

Among 177 healthcare workers who had recovered from confirmed coronavirus infections contracted before the availability of vaccines, all had persistent autoantibodies, including ones that can cause chronic inflammation and injury of the joints, skin and nervous system. "We would not normally expect to see such a diverse array of autoantibodies elevated in these individuals or stay elevated for as long six months after full clinical recovery," said Susan Cheng of the Cedars-Sinai Smidt Heart Institute in Los Angeles. Patterns of elevated autoantibodies varied between men and women, the researchers reported on Thursday in the Journal of Translational Medicine.


"We don't yet know how much longer, beyond six months, the antibodies will stay elevated and/or lead to any important clinical symptoms," Cheng said. "It will be essential to monitor individuals moving forward." Her team is investigating whether autoantibody elevations are linked with persistent symptoms in people with long COVID and planning to study autoantibody levels after infections with newer variants of the virus


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I remember a few articles such as this a year or so ago, I wonder if there has been any follow up?

Nearly a third of people who were discharged from hospitals in England after being treated for Covid-19 were readmitted within five months – and almost one in eight died, a study suggests.

The research, which is still to be peer-reviewed, also found a higher risk of problems developing in a range of organs after hospital discharge in those younger than 70 and ethnic minority individuals.


“There’s been so much talk about all these people dying from Covid … but death is not the only outcome that matters,” said Dr Charlotte Summers, a lecturer in intensive care medicine at the University of Cambridge who was not involved in this study.

“The idea that we have that level of increased risk in people – particularly young people – it means we’ve got a lot of work to do.”

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Originally posted by A-I A-I wrote:

Originally posted by nzdad nzdad wrote:

Its the vaccine. There, i said it out loud.


Edit. Dr malone has commented on this today on a zerohedge article.


  That's so funny. 


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Originally posted by Hazelpad Hazelpad wrote:

Interesting because here in the UK we are exact opposite.  Deaths ( mortality from non covid causes) have decreased quite significantly. ( See article below Dec 2021)  or look on our ONS national statistics pages for direct comparisons on age groups)

I guess it's how well other hospital and health services are holding up.  I  the early months of the pandemic 2020 we had increase non covid deaths as Cancer services and diagnostics had to be scaled back.  Suicide rates sky rocketed as there was no mental health services and cardiac clinics were cancelled. 

As time progressed more services were brought back  and by April 2021  our excess deaths for non covid decreased.

  There were less deaths as there were less infectious diseases and we are normally bad with flu but that was greatly reduced.  They dont know why there were less heart attacks etc.( we are heart attack capital of the world).

We will probably see different outcomes on non covid mortality across the globe  and even within different regions of the same country, dpendent on impact of Covid on essential services and hospital beds in a specific area.

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During the pandemic, deaths from eight of the nine leading causes of death in England were lower than usual. The greatest reductions in percentage terms are for influenza/ pneumonia (48%) and chronic lung conditions (25%). As well as displaced mortality, reductions here are largely due to the lower prevalence of infectious diseases as a result of restrictions such as social distancing. The reasons behind reductions in deaths from stroke, heart attacks, angina and cancers are less clear

Quote Despite continuing deaths from COVID-19, in 2021 mortality from other causes has been  9% lower than  usual. In the midst of a pandemic, how could this have happened? Did the pandemic, and our lockdowns, unexpectedly reduce deaths from other causes? Or have deaths during the pandemic ‘displaced’ mortality that would otherwise occur at a later point in time?

"6 December 2021"

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Interesting that ONS own data shows that excessive deaths are occurring above and beyond the five year average and have been since June and are increasing and it also clearly shows that it is not covid related. I should note this data is for England and Wales.

https://cy.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending17december2021

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UK suffers record period of 'excess' mortality

UK mortality has been above 2019 levels for 22 consecutive weeks, which is the longest continuous period of 'excess' deaths recorded in the country since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://www.theactuary.com/news/2021/12/15/uk-suffers-record-period-excess-mortality

Clearly something is going on and it is NOT just related to Covid deaths as my previous post shows.

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That's not Non covid related mortality which you were discussing earlier.  That quotes excess overall mortality including coronavirus.

We have been hit hard and have 172,700 covid deaths, so of course our overall excess is higher.  The reduction is in younger population.

If you look in our older population then you are right noncovid deaths have increased and there us a review into this including dementia worsened by lack of social interaction and hospital ( especially ambulance wait times where we now have army driving them)  In the age group you were concerned about 18 -65 we arent seeing the same dramatic increase as reported in Indiana


Why do you think there is an increase in this age group in Indiana.  What is your guess as to what is happening in that age group.  Interested to hear.  

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Originally posted by Hazelpad Hazelpad wrote:

That's not Non covid related mortality which you were discussing earlier.  That quotes excess overall mortality including coronavirus.

We have been hit hard and have 172,700 covid deaths, so of course our overall excess is higher.  The reduction is in younger population.

If you look in our older population then you are right noncovid deaths have increased and there us a review into this including dementia worsened by lack of social interaction and hospital ( especially ambulance wait times where we now have army driving them)  In the age group you were concerned about 18 -65 we arent seeing the same dramatic increase as reported in Indiana


Why do you think there is an increase in this age group in Indiana.  What is your guess as to what is happening in that age group.  Interested to hear.  

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Well the ONS graph differentiates between non covid and covid related excess deaths in relation to 5 year averages. The second article covers excessive deaths but does not break it down but does put a time frame in place. And the initial post doesn't just cover Indiana but rather all states where the insurance company has policies and as stated in the article is industry wide meaning it is being noticed by other insurance companies nationwide.

What do I think? I think it's several things, preventative health care not being accessed, mental health deteriorating. Also given the extraordinarily high numbers of adverse reactions reported to VAERS which by all accounts is under reported by a conservative factor of 20, I highly suspect the vaxx may well play a part of the equation. 21,000 deaths reported to VAERS times 20 is 420,000 deaths. Now do I think that many have been killed as a result? No I don't necessarily.  But I think if only 25% of those adverse events reported to VAERS are related to the vaxx and valid that still leaves 105,000 vaxx deaths either directly or indirectly. Even if you didn't factor in the X's 20 due to under reporting there has been over a million adverse reactions reported. To those who discredit the VAERS system and the adverse vaxx reports contained in it out of hand, are those who do not know why it exists in the first place. It is the vaccine safety net and in the case of the vaxx it's almost the primary net. And is especially important when long term randomized double blinded placebo controlled clinical trials were not conducted on the vaxx. Something is going on that is for sure.



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