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The U.S. Geological Survey has notified the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that one of its storage tanks at the Denver Federal Center was leaking gamma radiation. However, USGS officials said they haven’t found evidence of anything more than background radiation counts in any of the groundwater flowing from the site. While it sounds sinister, the leak discovered in the nuclear research reactor storage tank is emitting less radiation than old-fashioned illuminating watch dials, scientists said. "This is a tank used to store equipment . . . not in reactor operations," said Tim Debey, reactor manager. He described the tank as 12 feet deep and 6 feet square, encased in 16 inches of concrete with a stainless steel liner. "As far as we can determine, the leak is in the bottom of the tank and we are working on a plan to stop it," Debey said. "We think we have sealed most of it using an underwater epoxy." Tom Casadevall, central region director, said they are making the find public because they wanted to disclose information to the NRC so there is no misunderstanding about the subject. He said most of the scientific research involving the reactor is in dating geological samples, or identifying the composition of materials. "For instance, we might want to make sure the mud that was churned up after Hurricane Katrina isn’t harmful to humans or wildlife, and the way you do that is find out what they are composed of by analyzing samples through radiation," Casadevall said. USGS has operated the non-power nuclear facility at the Federal Center since 1969. It is one of two dozen nationwide used to conduct research RSOE HAVARIA Emergency and Information Serviceon geologic and biologic samples
This was found on the Rsoe website last night. A radiation leak in the US, yet within a hour it was pulled from the site. Now that could be because it was  not dangerous, or because they didnt want the word out. I dont know, but it concerns me.
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What do you mean "the government"?  The government is made up of millions of employees and mid and high level managers, with congress, president/cabinet at the top.  Some of them tell the truth all the time, some lie most of the time, and probably most are in the middle.  And when they are lying, I usually attribute it to personal protection (CYA) rather than a malevolent conspiracy--but that's just me.

But for this particular incident, word seems to be getting out quite readily, and with quotes from "the government".
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I work for the FED.GOV, and I barely trust myself.  Confused

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    They hold back from us, what they feel should be. It would'nt be the first time if they did
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I work for the FED.GOV, and I barely trust myself.  Confused

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Saw the stuff about the increase in printed money about a month ago,  With FEMA folks with suit cases of cash for operational expenses.  That was what set me off so bad.  Uncle hates to use cash.  No good records.  But sometimes you have no choice.  But it is all planning stuff and nothing else.
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MAJDAD.

Agreed.

Welcome back.

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.MAJDAD- Good to see you!

Missed you. I'm glad to see so many of the long-time members whom we relied on for their explanations, knowledge and interpretations of facts able to be back with us. You are needed! Ruth
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The Truth?  I've felt for years that we get a condensed, "Reader's Digest", version of "The Truth".

What we don't know won't, you know...

As a kid, and the holder of a Canadian Passport, I visited several what were then known as "Iron Curtain Countries".  Because I could play Basketball and Soccer, I quickly made friends there.  Those people  KNEW that they were being lied to. 

I think we get, "The Truth, Part of The Truth, and Nothing But The Truth."
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Originally posted by NawtyBits NawtyBits wrote:

I work for the FED.GOV, and I barely trust myself.  Confused

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Our Government, your Government.  We know they lie to us more than they tell the truth.  WMD?
 
I have said before, they will work out what they want us to do, and then tell us whatever they think will make us do it. 
 
Those of us on the forum will listen to them, and draw our own conclusions as to what we should actually do. Beth
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LOL, nawty!!!
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There have been so many disclosures brought about by the Freedom of Information Act showing government lies and horrific acts in the name of freedom and democracy, that if Americans knew about them, they would never trust a word spoken by TPTB.
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On the one hand I see so many lies on important issues that it always scares me.  First big area for me was lies about the war in Vietnam.  When a big troop movement north up the Ho Chi Minh trail was announced as being led by South Vietnamese troops with some Americans along as advisors, soon afterwards I was treating mucho Marines who said they were at the head of the column.  Also grew up in an industrial town where the companies always lied to everyone about dangers, later we found out it was a dioxin capital of the US (Niagara Falls).  Don't get me started on all of the Bush administration lies.
 
On the other hand, most of the people working in gov't are and have always been honest.  I worked in the Dept. of Transportation in Washington and was amazed at how little government changed with changes of the presidency.  Now I meet with numerous local and state public health and safety people who don't always know all the truth, but tell it as they know it, sometimes once they figure out how to phrase it in a way to not unnecessarily scare the wits out of folks.
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My local municipality will not even tell you where dead birds with West Nile were found, never mind the state or federal government. They are all worried about business concerns, like tourism to Indonesia which dried up, now with the wave of a wand is bird flu free. ABBF is the motto , anything buyt bird flu. Look for yourselves in your own wetland areas for a sign.
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Ditto on the Welcome Back to MAJDAD!!!
 
Truth and reality are all the versions each holds.  True and real are from the others' point of view, unfortunately, not ours.  Seems to be the case with just about everything as I get older.
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Just ask yourself about the war we're in.  Where are the weapons of mass destruction that we were going to destroy when we took over Iraq?   None were found, did washington speak with a forked tounge?  They should give the mess back to Sadam and get out of this insane war.  You decide if we are being told the truth.
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I personally don't think the US government lies any more than the "average" American.  The scope and consequences of any lies sure may be bigger, but the overall "truthfulness" is probably representative of the population.  If politicians and bureaucrats lie it's because we let them.  We elect liars and then re-elect liars.  We pay big money to see and hear liars in the media and sports.  If we stopped encouraging this behavior, and if there were consequences (not merely blame, media frenzy, and congressional reports, but failure to re-elect), it would stop.  I can only conclude that we don't really care if they lie.  This tolerance could be due either to a widespread dishonesty throughout the entire populace, or a willingness to let others compromise on the principle of honesty ("yipee, we just got a new road, who care's if he's a liar"), probably a little of both. 
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Outright "lying" to the Public is one thing.  The modern vernacular is, I believe, putting a "spin" on the story.
What I don't appreciate is the Government "witholding" the truth.  JFK?  Roswell?  Viet Nam?  WMD's?  And, now, Bird Flu?
Then again, if the Government was totally frank and honest, how could people like Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh make a living? 
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VtDoc: Well said. This is a problem that exists throughout the developed world.
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Originally posted by VtDoc VtDoc wrote:

I personally don't think the US government lies any more than the "average" American.  The scope and consequences of any lies sure may be bigger, but the overall "truthfulness" is probably representative of the population.  If politicians and bureaucrats lie it's because we let them.  We elect liars and then re-elect liars.  We pay big money to see and hear liars in the media and sports.  If we stopped encouraging this behavior, and if there were consequences (not merely blame, media frenzy, and congressional reports, but failure to re-elect), it would stop.  I can only conclude that we don't really care if they lie.  This tolerance could be due either to a widespread dishonesty throughout the entire populace, or a willingness to let others compromise on the principle of honesty ("yipee, we just got a new road, who care's if he's a liar"), probably a little of both. 



I think that lies get by so often because sometimes it's easier to not see/hear things that will disrupt our lives until it directly affects it or makes it uncomfortable. As long as the adverse consequece is someone elses. I think everyone is guilty of it on some level. I admit that there are numerous things I'd rather not acknowledge.



    
    
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I think that the government tries it's best... not a popular opinion.  But in my line of work there have been various workshops/classes/seminars on preparing for a catastrophic (sp?) event.  I went to all of them,, because they could all affect my job. 

The sad thing is that we advertised the heck out of these programs.  We spend a HUGE amount of our postal budget to send out flyers/postcards to citizens, and the turn out was very discouraging.

Do I think the government lies to the public.  Certainly.  To an extent. 

Do I think the government attempts to educate and make ready the public, absolutely. 

You cannot cram knowledge down unwilling throats.  I wish we could, but it just doesn't work that way.

The press has access to all the data and more that we post here, but they pick and chose because they understand the difference betweeen what the public will accept and what they'll reject.

It's sad but true.  The government lies - but also tells the truth on some things - bf being one of them.  And then it filters down much like telephone tag and is either taken seriously or not.  Those are individual civil servant decisions.... not government as a whole.
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If we all trusted the government we wouldn't need this forum.

The government releases the truth forty years after the details are not relevant and important.

The news of the virus will come from gossip and forums
not the goverment. We are stuck between reading unsubstanciated news and reliable sites to peice together the truth
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Originally posted by VtDoc VtDoc wrote:

I personally don't think the US government lies any more than the "average" American.  The scope and consequences of any lies sure may be bigger, but the overall "truthfulness" is probably representative of the population.  If politicians and bureaucrats lie it's because we let them.  We elect liars and then re-elect liars.  We pay big money to see and hear liars in the media and sports.  If we stopped encouraging this behavior, and if there were consequences (not merely blame, media frenzy, and congressional reports, but failure to re-elect), it would stop.  I can only conclude that we don't really care if they lie.  This tolerance could be due either to a widespread dishonesty throughout the entire populace, or a willingness to let others compromise on the principle of honesty ("yipee, we just got a new road, who care's if he's a liar"), probably a little of both. 

I agree with VtDoc.  At a dental school in New Jersey recently, the majority of the graduating class was held up from graduating on time because of a last-minute discovery of widespread cheating, and the students were doing the big lie (CYA), but their dean had the intestinal fortitude to tackle it head on.  At my dental school in Nebraska where I am a faculty member, I recently discovered that 80+% of the third-year class cheated on an exam...when one of the students was asked how often they cheat on tests, at least he was honest at that point...his answer was: "how many tests are there"!!  And it is in all professions....a former car mechanic friend of mine told me that he quit where he was working in the shop at the local Plymouth/Chrysler dealer because it was rampant that the other mechanics/supervisor were either not doing certain repairs but charging the customer for them OR they were telling the customer that certain repairs were needed when they really were not needed.

Nonetheless: considering all societal factors, I would still prefer to live in the U.S. than anywhere else....sorry to my friends in other countries.
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Originally posted by NawtyBits NawtyBits wrote:

I work for the FED.GOV, and I barely trust myself.  Confused

nawty


This is the first time I have laughed on here for two days. I appreciate that.
It is a tough go of it because you start wading through MIB type thinking, and we are long past the G-men days. I think it is truly hard for many people to understand the diversity and  millions of people and organizations that run and serve our country.

Sometimes it gets so conspiratorial, as if there were far more order, coordination and agreement than there is in real life. As a teenager I worked at Taco Bell and used to get considerable abuse as a peon minimum wage person. For many, it was difficult to communicate that "I" was not Taco Bell.
We had irrate customers who ordered French fries (not on menu) and then smeared their taco burger on the glass.

Were it only that simple. Your going to get the full spectrum. When one goes bad or messes up, sometimes it hits the news, and the thousands of people doing a great job and working their butts off nobody knows about. I mean how often do people call you up and say - I just wanted to thank you for the great job you are doing and working for X dollars and keep up the good work.

I think if many were allowed to play King or Queen for a day, or the head of any of the major departments they would be in shell shock at the difficult decisions and huge workload they face.

Many times you have to try it, see if it works, and then if it doesn't, officials get fired, scandal erupts, and how much good news do you see in the papers.

The health organizations are working hard on this one. None of us wants to die.
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I think there is far too much concern over the economy (money & markets) and far too little over human life which will be needed to get it up and running if a flu pandemic hits. I think there is a deliberate hush, hush or say little or nothing attitude. This could contribute to millions dying, when had they been better prepared they might have survived or enabled someone else to. Only when it hits will it be at the top of the news.
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When it comes right down to it, does it really matter if anyone tells us the truth? We know the truth. The government is telling people about this, they just are not listening. The WHO may not be giving out all of the facts and there are many hands trying to keep up with the research. I can't imagine the level of cooperation that they need internally to be able to report to the world. Then you add in the cooperation with other governments...monumental problems.

For me, the research is not as important. I know this is coming, I know it will be bad, I know we cannot seem to control the when factor. So prep on, as you are able. Tell at least one person at a time about this, starting with trusted neighbors so that those around you are prepared.

What is the most effective means of reaching people. Television, because it is visual. Seeing people prepare is also effective. So I ask you, where is hollywood in this? Are all actors cooperating with a gag order? As an industry they are not onboard with the administration. They love causes so why aren't they speaking out about this?

This bugs me. Priests, pastors and rabbis where are they in preparing their flocks? Are they are in the dark? Many physicians are in the dark? Yet we see this?

So this tells me that I have a responsibility to our society. That is kind of scary to me and yet I don't want to be a coward. I just do not honestly know the best way to warn others about this or if it is the morally responsible thing to do. So many are incapable of prepping. Also, I cannot believe that there is no forethought by our public health officials and our government to the public's inability to comprehend this event. I am sure that they have factored this in. Some will understand and some will not. I believe that we need to prepare for the ones that do not. Especially the innocent children who will survive. During crises they will be the most vulnerable to the predators.

Our government officials are not cruel they just need those that are aware to assist themselves and others. I remember Katrina and those buses, I also remember someone taking a bus and loading it with people to get out. We may need to be the bus drivers when this hits.

Is it ignorance or callousness on the part of the government? Allof these events are unprecedented in rapidity and scope. I believe we are ALL just a bit overwhelmed as a society and we are going to be stretched a lot farther as individuals than we are right now before this is over. The way things are going we may have other crises striking at the same time. What part I can possibly play in that I have no clue anymore other than prepping as much as I can so that I can be a beacon when this hits. I am woefully unprepared.
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Originally posted by standingfirm standingfirm wrote:

When it comes right down to it, does it really matter if anyone tells us the truth?

I do believe it matters. Yes, Michael Leavitt went to all states, but how much was this reported in the news? How many people are aware of the scope of the disaster to come? Many CAN prepare, but won't because they are not aware of the danger. Government, the media, and we ourselves have an obligation to inform the public.

I just do not honestly know the best way to warn others about this or if it is the morally responsible thing to do. So many are incapable of prepping.

I hear your frustration and feel it too. It definitely is morally responsible to help others protect their families as we are! There are things we can do: letters to the editor, contacting health departments and local governments, talking to pastors, rabbis and others who care for their flocks. We can make up fliers and hand them out or post them in the local community. We can arrange an informative program on local TV, or get someone who knows how to do this.

Also, I cannot believe that there is no forethought by our public health officials and our government to the public's inability to comprehend this event.

I am confident that the officials are well aware of the lack of comprehension on the part of the public. They have been told to prepare quietly, without giving out too much information to the people, who then would rush the grocery stores and banks to prepare. The PTB are terrified of this and what it would do to our already fragile economy.

I am woefully unprepared.

We all are, standingfirm, but we are more aware and prepared than others, so I feel it is incombent on us to try to raise the level of awareness in our commuities, wherever possible.

    
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Originally posted by NawtyBits NawtyBits wrote:

I work for the FED.GOV, and I barely trust myself.  Confused

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hahahahahaha   that's too funny.  LOL
 
 
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I was reading about the 1918 Pandemic and I laughed when reading the time line.  It goes from the city officials telling everyone that the flu will not hit NYC and then two months later the time line showed how many NYC folks died. Like two months later they were stacking dead bodies like firewood.
 
False information and lying cost a lot of people their lives.  Could that happen again.  You bet your bottom dollar it will.
 
History is about to repeat itself.  I just hope Geo. W. Bush is the first to go...wait then that would make Cheney the president.....oh crap.  We are in trouble.  If Bush and Cheney kick the bucket,  who is next in line?? I forget my history lessons.
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hasert i belive "speaker of the house"

 

also it not good to wish ill will on people....espically people i like.
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I work for a local county government in the U.S.  Based on my experience I don't believe there is a grand conspiracy to mislead the public although some individual government officials may think they know what best for public. In local issues the public expects the government to take care of “it” (whatever it is) without interrupting their lives. However sometimes an issue comes up that impacts people emotionally and then the public gets more involved. The worst thing is trying to deal with  someone who believes that you are misleading them when they have completely false information and they  have no desire to find out the truth if its not what they believe. I often see here complaints where something like testing is not being reported and then when it is, the results are not what was expected, then the government  (or WHO) is accused of lying. ( I haven't posted much but I been reading here for several months.)

 

In short most of the public would be very unhappy spending any amount of tax dollars on the bird flu instead of other issues like roads, schools etc. if a pandemic doesn’t happen and no amount of money by the government will be enough to satisfied the public if it does.

 

Many of us have family members who don’t really believe that the pandemic could happen and feels that the preppers are wasting time and money that could be out to better use and will always complain if something doesn’t happen. The government also has to consider the economy, If a panic would set in and cause a major recession or depression and then there is no pandemic, has the public been well served and the government beyond criticism? In short government doesn’t do well with events that may or may not happen and who can says with 100% certainty that the pandemic will happen in the next year or two. The other thing that could happen it the government cries wolf now and nothing happen for a couple of years how long until the public no longer pays any attention to warnings.

 

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Some States have done much better than the one I live in to prepare or tell people. Here you seldom hear anything about it. When the Federal Government gave the different states money for preparation perhaps they should have mandated the public be informed. I haven't heard much about what they are doing with the money. If you mention anything about bf to people they act as if you have lost your mind. But if it were on the tube every time they turned it on they would be convinced.
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Look on the bright side though. At least here we have a right to dig for the truth and publish the truth. Most people, inc goverment people lie to cover their own behind.   Some is media hype. And yes some is misinformation and out and out lies.

But its not considered a STATE SECRET  and the tellers of such do not disappear  nor put in prison.
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This bugs me. Priests, pastors and rabbis where are they in preparing their flocks? Are they are in the dark? Many physicians are in the dark? Yet we see this
 
Was speaking to one of the above recently, asking what they knew/felt about BF. Was met with (mock) surprise and then silence... after much intensive probing was informed that they intended to visit/help the flock and would be protected from catching any sickness  by 'faith', and the fact that one had a certain protection in that field. After talking for well over 2 hours on the subject it was finally admitted that this group had been informed with a set of 'rules and prep information'( and stores had since been laid down) and very secure in the the knowledge that they would be 'protected'with govt.alocated tamiflu.I said "well that is how and why you will attend to the sick and feel safe.. it was then admitted that one had no intention of leaving their house for any such reason!! and when asked, if and should the flock came to the door for help, would preps be shared ? ..the answer was no.When I asked if the flock had been informed or asked to prepare by this person..was told no. I admit I lost my temper after that.. SOMEWHAT, and things turned badly . This is where the Govt. believes the tamiflu should go????? AngryAngryAngryAngry So heres one individual that wont be warning any one.
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Posted June 18, 2006 by Eagles Dancing:

I see you have been keeping up the fight for our brothers and sisters in Christ again.

 

I've been out of town and was so glad to see your comments toward those who are fighting us. 

 

Keep up the good work sister!

 

 

Posted July 2, 2006 : by Eagles Dancing
History is about to repeat itself.  I just hope Geo. W. Bush is the first to go...wait then that would make Cheney the president.....oh crap.  We are in trouble.  If Bush and Cheney kick the bucket,  who is next in line?? I forget my history lessons.
 
Disconnect, anyone?
 
Again, can we leave the political bashing out of the news area? 
 
Discussion of government's transparency is important to this forum, but like VtDoc says, millions make up "the government".  Thanks for the reasoned, temperate analysis, VtDoc. 
 
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NZ er, that is sad. So sad.
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You can like Geo. W. Bush if you want, but he lied about the "weapons of mass destruction" and took over another country.

I don't want someone like him representing me as an American.  I don't think he is honest with us all and has made some very bad decisions.

If he is lying to us regarding the BF, then he should be the first to go because of all the harm he has caused others and will be causing harm to folks by not being forth coming with the information.
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TrailsEnd,

Just for fun, type "Bush is the antichrist" Evil Smile in your search column.                

See how many sites have references to Bush and the antichrist.  Heck even the Pope was concerned that Bush was the antichrist!!

I don't think I am  in the minority on this issue.

What's is your problem?  You seem to always come out to post things against me.  Try putting your energy into helping others, not bashing them.
You can't even take a joke. Tongue Have a good day TrailsEnd and make sure you add Exlax to your prep list.LOL
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You know.... I have a gut feeling that there is one or two people who have numerous memberships under different names and this one person comes on using those different IDs to bash people. 

When I went to look up your old post, TrailEnds, you messed up and posted a comment to yourself on the wrong ID and are making a comment to yourself while under the TrailEnds ID.  OOPPPSSS you messed up didn't you.   Don't you have anything better to do than sit at your PC and bash people?

Some life you are living....you need professional help!  I am not going to let you run over me again.  I could go through all your old post and point out some more interesting comments, but its not worth it.  Go do something constructive.  You'll feel better.  It is just a shame that you have it out for anyone who believes in God.  So who are you really? 

I could make a list of the IDs I think you use to insult me, but again it's not worth the trouble. 

So do you cyber stalk anyone else who has voiced their belief in God?   
 
Dude......get a life!!  People don't want to read your post.  Why do you think it is important to repost my post.  In trying to make me look bad, you only show others your hate for anyone who believes in God.  I told you once before I don't claim to be perfect.  I am a sinner just like you and everyone else.  I mess up and that's OK.  I am not trying to be God.  I just trust in him and love him for what he has done for me.  So don't waste everyone time by trying to bash me on every post just because you do not agree with me.   GROW UP  TRAILENDS!!!  I am not backing down just because you don't believe in God.  I am not taking your insults again.
Back off. 
Look under Family preparations at my post there and you might understand the love God has for you.  I'll be praying for you to find peace so you won't seek to continue this grudge you have against me.
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Trust the Goverment......
 
give me a break. I know what they do everyday to millions.  They wont tell us the truth about the bird flu or anything else. 
 
 
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I must be really old fashioned. I am only 46 but I do remember what my parents taught me when I was growing up regarding speaking ill of dignitaries and angry speech:

2 Peter 2:10 " but chiefly those who walk after the flesh in the lust of defilement, and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries;"

Colossian 3:1-25 speaks to this but here is verse 8: "but now you also put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and shameful speaking out of your mouth."

E.D. we just need to guard our hearts and not yield to the temptation to rail on those in authority over us. It is awfully tempting to do this when things are not going the way they should. All will be revealed in God's time. Be at peace.
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true, I never get too worked up over the current admin.  What a job, more than one person runs the gov.  Did anyone see Frontline with Mr. Cheny and Mr. Rumsfeld?  Very informative.  Not sure how true/slanted it is their ealier yrs were a little before my time on political understanding.
 
 
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Here in Washington DC there are thousands of people toiling away in various national security bureaucracies, think tanks, etc. Many of them believe that Iraq is an imminent threat, and they do not have any ideological agenda.

It is also unfortunate that you fail to mention that many moderate figures - such as James Woolsey, John McCain, and Democratic members of Congress are supportive of war if necessary. In addition, the NSS is only a piece of paper until concrete policies are changed to back it up - this requires the cooperation of thousands of people and numerous, often competing bureaucracies.

In short, the impetus for war with Iraq is not just coming from the top, it is also bubbling up from the bureaucracies and other sources. Your narrow focus has the effect of supporting the views of conspiracy theorists and others of the view that the government has been created by me to make a point, as evidenced by some of the other reader responses to your show. The neocons may be the most vocal proponents of war, but they are definitely not the only ones in this city.

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I've just sent a report on this whole thread.  What is the matter with you people.  Hoping the president gets the bird flu first (of course this is ok because it is said in the name of God) - thinking everyone in any position of authority is out to get you and lying to you every step of the way.  I joined this forum to learn about bird flu.  All of you go back and read this thread again.  Do you really believe all this stuff.  If so, then if you are representative of those who will survive, we are all in worse shape than we think.
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gghugs: I believe that for the most part this thread is on topic. There is, perhaps an exception or two. My comment was directed at that issue. Who are the "you people" that you are referring too?
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Standingfirm - I apologize to you for lumping everyone who posted on this thread together.   Wishing for people to die in the name of God does tend to make me a little upset and it is just too easy for some to blame the government for everything that happens.   This is supposed to be a democracy.  If we don't like it - change it.  Vote -  Run for Office -   I'm worried enough about avian flu -   I want those who are researching to find this site credible and start prepping.   I have found so much great information here and an atmosphere of support from people who really have never met each other. I am worried that new people will read some of this and think - just another bunch of extremists.   This site keeps me sane most days and anything that I feel threatens it tends to make me over react. 
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