enough is enough

        Guys most of you know I have been here a long time, had to use a couple different names because of glitches. I love this site, I am so greatful for it and all of you.

I heartily agree.

And I'm coming from the other side of things.  I am a young person in my early 20's.  I've had an autoimmune disease for probably the past 5 years, though only found out about 2 years ago.  In the 3 year interim, the disease practically destroyed my liver.  I am right on the verge of cirrhosis.  I am on a heavy dosage of immunosuppressants, and have already gotten pneumonia once.  I am the very definition of high risk.  And yet, with all this, I am also certain that there is no Mr. Hyde out there attempting to murder 6 billion+ people. 

I really don't think we can say either way how the swine flu will play out.  It may kill many people, or it may just sputter out.  There is still a lot of time left in season.  However, I think it is important for all everyone to breathe deeply and look at this for what it is.  If I am able to keep my perspective, I am sure you can as well.

Ok Ruthie...and I had just gotten my new tinfoil hat in the mail..............

Gov. Is not out to get us! You are kidding.......right? Did you see how the criminal Gov. acted in Pittsburg!! Do you understand they want to take complete control of the Healthcare system and ration healh care.....when they can't even run the Post Office!!

cannot argue with you on that point!!

This was not about our goverment other then I can think of other ways to kill besides  h1n1 flu shot, give me a break !! you watch way to much science fiction......this is NOT a debate about our goverment nor is this the place to have one......... IF you think big brother is out to kill you with a flu shot then by no means get one. AS stated before we all have a choice...

gypsy3 wrote: I could go on and on about how tryanical this Gov. has become!! You guys are pure sheep!! .........You'll be the first in line for your poison vaccine..............how weak and pathectic!!

Gypsy3, I'm wondering why you call yourself a Gypsy. You do know that they received this name because they fitted the European image of dark-skinned Egyptians skilled in witchcraft.

The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) states that a gypsy is a
"member of a wandering race (by themselves called Romany), of Hindu origin, which first appeared in England about the beginning of the 16th c. and was then believed to have come from Egypt".

Being a Gypsy sounds sort of cool and wandering and traveling sounds like a fun life so don't take my quote wrong. It's just the Gypsy's have been known to avoid any trust in any type of government.

 I understand your fear and only ask that you understand the fears of thousands of disabled people who are at increased risk of death from swine flu.  

No- exactly its not. It is important to differential from real and blatant conspiracies, but a handful of new posters does not represent the admin and veteran posters who have been here for years. It is simply another attempt to cap the new information coming up on here which some do not want posted.

It is true that the current Second Wave pandemic should be our greatest focus- but there is a history here of bitterly attacking person posting the truth on many issues and events. When I first posted the thread the Second Wave had hit the U.S. we had people telling us it wasn't the First Wave. Now since we have been posting some extremely critical threads in discussion on foreign policy and things which are from the Homeland Security area- these are not alarmist information. This is all over the media and we now face a situation whether in a weakened state we may face terrorist and real attacks or be pulled into a full scale global war during what could be a bad Pandemic.

This flurry of posts is a moot point.

The site was founded to address the Avian Flu and that threat is basically gone. At that point there was no longer any point to the site unless- it adapted. To keep it alive as a location on the net, other topics were discussed or nothing would have been available to post. Also this attracted readers and made huge threads which kept the site alive.

The site has moved to focus on the Swine Flu Pandemic. Most of the news posts are coming  in line to that. As Mary said- those who are looking for a purist site with gestapo enforcement on what issues we are posting on (I am paraphrasing) go to swineflu.org or other places on the net.

What we don't need is newly formed accounts by people with obvious agendas trying to wipe out (again) the discussion section on what is becoming pretty important. If there is no attack on Iran (the sanctions will not work) we will have to attack.

The economy, the politics, are all a part of the Swine Flu situation. Margaret Cho the head of WHO met with economy people as well before declaring the Pandemic. And how the flu effects our job places, amidst true signs of a near depression is serious. People want to discuss it.

Unless the board has been taken over- Albert has for years allowed extreme latitude in what we discuss and that is what makes this site extremely popular and one of the best on the net. If it is not broken, don't fix it.

If this is not your cup of tea, why have people who have created other sites which have failed trying to push the same failing policies and censorship and control which made their sites fail here.

We are a family. And we are in the midst of a Pandemic.

What you don't like, don't read. We have tread the ground of censoring off topic posts for years. And what works is, allow some discussion of interesting ones in discussing, keep the real crazies with National Enquirer stuff to a dull roar.

I am still a moderator, though once administrator, and the lions share of this spin is aimed at my posts and me- and an effort for certain private interests and even .gov to control the site.

Albert has had several massive purgings rebellious users who tried to take over. You have reached a point of equilibrium Albert. You, as in many times in the past, have reached a point where your site is heavy duty all over the search engines and the weird posts (those which deal with topics which are almost nowhere else) like how China suppresses data versus sites which are run by truly crazy bloggers-

Yes- enough is enough. For those trying to kill the site and control it- go away.

We veterans here can get along, care about each other- and Albert is extremely open minded and lately hasn't even banned some pretty obvious trolls and persons making personal attacks.

So, let it be enough for you. You don't own or run the site. As Lincoln said, you can't please all the people all the time. Albert you have done an incredible job. You're human. Sometimes some innocents have gotten deleted or cast out- but most of us have been able to come back and start again. I am over a thousand posts again, am about to release a good book on your site- and I am sorry if TPTB are reeling under questioning of numbers from the CDC and WHO and suppression of information.

It has happened, it was deliberate- so live with it.

Yea- Baxter release active virus into a vaccine that could have killed a lot of people and did ferrets. We had the patent on the current flu in Germany and developed the vaccine before the Pandemic started.

Federal troops and state militia are training to combat what may almost be a revolution. Don't want to read about this. Think it is nuts.

Well- sorry. It is documents. .gov is scared. And they are looking down the barrel of some real opposition to the vaccine and civil disorder.

Learn the lesson- and within reason- the real groundless obvious misinformation gets booted and deleted. Albert does that- subtly - sometimes not so subtly when he is in purge mode- posts get wiped by the thousands.

What you dont' like don't read. People you disagree with learn to not personally attack just post what you believe, give a link, and let the public and users decide what is accurate.

I have started a hundred threads here that were dead on the money accurate. I have been deleted for some. I am still here.

Albert- you are doing good. As I have told you in personal emails- though I have not heard from you since the last email when you were on vacation- people like Rickster, Mary, and Baby Girl- (and some of us have had a few back and forths- not many over years- we are independent thinkers) are the heart of your site. Those of us who spend thousand of hours posting and our live here.

As I think was phrased in one post- in a kind voice- when the site gets too powerful.. we start getting these newbie I just created an account to say- well - so you have said.

We have a 30-60 window before this REALLY hits and even if it doesn't we may have riots in the streets over the vaccine. Let us do our unpaid job and keep people informed.

There is one captain here- that is Albert. This is his world. I have my sites- and on them (which I have not a lot of time) I control that universe.

He has the ultimate power - deletion and banning- and also removal of threads. I think after 4 years Albert has done amazingly well. He has built one of the most impressive and interesting sites on the net.

Albert, you made me a promise. Do keep it. We are in the home stretch here.

I am meeting with doctors in person in West Virginia and from other places, and my face and me are less and less anonymous. And when we go live- and Albert - do join me on Fox network and some radio shows- put yourself out there.

It is time.

Medclinician

I think Med is stating not too bury your head in the sand and totally trust the government and that is wise, and maybe we should also think about looking at what might happen if Iran nukes start flying towards Israel.....what would happen if a large scale nuk war was upon us at the same time the flu is.......sounds like the end of the bible to me.

Medclinician wrote: I am still a moderator, though once administrator, and the lions share of this spin is aimed at my posts and me- and an effort for certain private interests and even .gov to control the site.

Med, Your moderator privileges were pulled. Mine says mod but it doesn't mean I've ever had any moderator privileges.

Its sort of comical that you think the government is controlling your posts on this site. Why would they even care when the net has endless Conspiracy, Theory, UFOs sites like above top secret. That site alone has 3,000,000+ visitors per month, 677,000 guests, 7,000,000 posts and 174,000 members. They post non stop government conspiracy garbage by the thousands and it's all wide open for the world to see. Deflate your ego some and people might actually have a little more belief in your posts.

Loribearme wrote: all anyone can do is see proof of them themselves ---look up at the ski - the planes that spread the chemtrails.    I see them....I didnt read it someplace....and that is proof enough for me....my brother works for NOA and told me that they are not with the weather cloud seeding program, and the government is not saying what they are doing so --call it what you want.   But the truth is out there.....

Loribearme,

My Brother is a licensed pilot.

I would tell you what's in those white trails behind jets but I'm afraid of the massive panic involved.

Just imagine Orson Welles "The War of the Worlds" times 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,001

The U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) act like it's harmless.

Lost in a Sea of Deception

You know Ruthie, you are right on with the .Evil .Gov Vaccine of Death.

(Whats The Motive)

 

Conspiracy Theories are much easier to believe in especially when they are pounded into your head daily even hourly. If the population fears its government then they will never engage in their own interests, and if they don’t engage then the government becomes a third entity controlled by very few people or other entities (Corps).

Once you’re here (Evil Government) everyone who works for the government is in on the plot (Scientists, Elected Officials, Teachers, Ect, Ect, Ect).We could list all of the indirect conspiracies like this one (.Gov Vaccine of Death), but what does it matter when there will be a new one Tuesday Morning.

The question is whether the American people will awaken from this Public Phycosis or will they continue to be Afraid. Is the glass always half empty or is it really half full.

Deception, I believe the bible addresses these people who deceive without any room for interpretation.

 

Why are those who intentionally deceive not held to account, why do people continue to relinquish Moral Authority to people who have been proven over and over to be liars? Is Fear that powerful over common sense? Has Fear become our way of life?

Is This Right?

 

Just my 2 Cents, not intended to offend anyone.

You know Tech, you are the  voice of reason here. So I have to presume that what you are posting about chemtrails is that this chemichal is not something we are deliberately putting out by a side effect of a chemichal that is widely used.  I wish you would comment further on that, because for those of us who do consider you the  voice of reason, to have anything that could remotely imply that the government is using chemtrails deliberatly would be a dissappointment.

BTW:

Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) = Water or H2O for anyone that missed the joke.


Contrails or Chemtrails are simply water vapor trails, condensation trails and artificial cirrus clouds made by the exhaust of aircraft engines or wingtip vortices which precipitate a stream of tiny ice crystals in moist, frigid upper air. Being composed of water, the visible white streams are not, in and of themselves, air pollution.


My DHMO post was just a demonstration on how people can twist words without even lying to con people into being scared. Everything I said was true. My Brother is a Pilot and owned a Cessna Aerobat. Actually he crashed it once after it iced up over Big Bear. I've taken aviation courses but I've never been licensed to fly solo. I build and design RC helicopters, Gliders and Planes for a hobby. I've been burnt by hot water and I don't know anyone that hasn't.

Technologist wrote: BTW: Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) = Water or H2O for anyone that missed the joke. Contrails or Chemtrails are simply water vapor trails, condensation trails and artificial cirrus clouds made by the exhaust of aircraft engines or wingtip vortices which precipitate a stream of tiny ice crystals in moist, frigid upper air. Being composed of water, the visible white streams are not, in and of themselves, air pollution.

ya should have let it sit for a bit would have been fun lol

Loribearme wrote: all anyone can do is see proof of them themselves ---look up at the ski - the planes that spread the chemtrails.    I see them....I didnt read it someplace....and that is proof enough for me....my brother works for NOA and told me that they are not with the weather cloud seeding program, and the government is not saying what they are doing so --call it what you want.   But the truth is out there.....

The chemtrail (Water Vapor Trails) scare started around 1996. If you look at old pictures of jets in the sky. Even pictures taken 50 years ago. You will see those same Water Vapor Trails and the same patterns in the sky as now.

Medclinician wrote: This flurry of posts is a moot point. The site has moved to focus on the Swine Flu Pandemic. Most of the news posts are coming  in line to that. As Mary said- those who are looking for a purist site with gestapo enforcement on what issues we are posting on (I am paraphrasing) go to swineflu.org or other places on the net. Medclinician

Medclinician wrote: I have no idea who you are and I have known Albert, the owner of this site;  for years and written to him hundreds of times. Since you have no official capacity here- who are you speaking for- how would you know what privileges I have or do not have? Why would my access be pulled when I am one the prime posters on the site and work here a great deal- in appreciation for my efforts. In fact, how would you know anything about our personal credentials or access. Are you Albert, Tech, in disguise?

Med, Now you're making some conspiracy that I'm Albert? No Med I'm not Albert.

Med you went off the wall and posted five pages of weird crap and many people thought you were totally nuts. You clearly said you have zero moderator privileges and you can't even change your picture to a Dolphin or even change your profile. So that's how I know you have no mod access. Then you deleted 25 of your own bizarre posts and asked for the thread to be deleted because you were embarrassed about the weird crap you posted. It's right here along with all your posts that you changed to a "." period. I have that entire thread saved before you deleted your delusional posts. You really need to take a break or something.

http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=25069

Medclinician wrote: Not making a lot of sense here. Albert never steps in or has to interfere in anyway. I don't see Albert anymore.

Med Albert is here in this forum and he posted several posts on Sept 24th.

Here's the thread, Albert, Med, and Tech all on the same page and in a row.

http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=25266&PN=1

Medclinician wrote: Albert- who is this guy? You say you have shown your badge and that their is no .gov presence here. Why do you feel so .gov Tech?

What are you talking about? Do you really hate everyone in our government that much?

Medclinician wrote: You speak with such authority- call yourself Tech- and no one has a clue if you are a janitor (no insult to janitors- but they are not research scientists and this person certainly is trying to come off as an authority and one). Seems kinda odd to me. Why don't you enlighten us as to your field of specialty and your qualifications in it? You sound like R.C. revisited.  You basically feel like you are trying to run the site and have no authority to do so. Med

Med many people that work for the government cannot reveal any personal information. So if you think I'm .gov or whatever would I even answer your request? I did clean my toilet today so I'll be a Janitor if it will make you happy.

Med I understand the part where you have 2-3 months to live, cancer and all and that would stress out of anyone.

DHMO is water? you know, h20?

Mary008 wrote: Med and Tech.... get a room.

Only if the walls are padded.

I was at my doctor today and was told their office is NOT giving the shot for swine flu and my doctor told me she would not take it or give it to her kids but said that it would be safer to ride the flu then take the shot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um1zCKPWoDw This came out....please try and watch all of the videos about this because I think this is what the future holds....no conspiracy here....