Forced Coronavirus vaccinations

There won't be a vaccine for at least 12 months.....

I really believe it's an escaped virus from the facility in Wuhan

I appologize. I am an antivaxxer. Sorry. Please dont call me stupid. I am not stupid and I dont call you names. Jusy asking.

I am also not uninformed. Nor stupid. I just dont take a generic blanket approach to vax me and my childten in the veins anytime you like oh precious caring government party of mine.
   Im not stupid. Nor misinformed
You dont have to be stupid to make bad decisions. Nor do you have to be evil to cause harm. But it helps.

I am not arguing the validity of vaccines. I am arguing their over use and over prescription.
    Vaccines have their place but its not in annual govt mandated lining up of the labled and spyed upon masses
   This is an incorrect usage of vaccines
   Are we to forget the actions of ruthless dictators and govts as if they do not, nor have ever existed?. Did mkultra teach the masses anything?
    It is in my mind stupidity to allow a govt that spies on its citizens and labels them according to their beliefs to line them up and shoot concoctions into their waiting bodies.
   Do not get me wrong. I am not against the validity and use of vaccines that are proven and specific to deter unwanted death. Such as the polio vaccime
   I am against yhe constant scheduled govt mandated vaccines as they see fit year after year.
   I am not stupid. Nor misinformed.

As someone else stated earlier. Not sure you can vaccinate against coronavirus anyways
Only treat with antiviral s etc after infection
I would say the best defense would be to quit smoking and eat healthy and stay healthy and treat yoir lungs heart and liver well.

Lonewolf wrote: I am not arguing the validity of vaccines. I am arguing their over use and over prescription.     Vaccines have their place but its not in annual govt mandated lining up of the labled and spyed upon masses    This is an incorrect usage of vaccines    Are we to forget the actions of ruthless dictators and govts as if they do not, nor have ever existed?. Did mkultra teach the masses anything?     It is in my mind stupidity to allow a govt that spies on its citizens and labels them according to their beliefs to line them up and shoot concoctions into their waiting bodies.    Do not get me wrong. I am not against the validity and use of vaccines that are proven and specific to deter unwanted death. Such as the polio vaccime    I am against yhe constant scheduled govt mandated vaccines as they see fit year after year.    I am not stupid. Nor misinformed.

Well said, and agree. I find it somewhat surprising that most people who blindly support vaccination have never done any in depth study themselves. Anyone here that can show me the links to the safety studies, please do.

I believe in vaccines I was a mom who got my son the flu vaccine at the grocery store because his doc said not necessary except for kids with medical problems. I remember polio before the vaccine and my moms fear and keeping us home from pools movies any crowded areas. After the vaccine I could go swimming.   Vaccines are good I am just not sure about this Sars2 because it will be developed way too fast with little testing.

I agree with Flumom, I certainly wouldn't want to be first in line for any coronavirus vaccine. Look what happened with the SARS vaccine.

Finding out you know more about the vaccine than the administering nurse is less unusual than you think. I've done it - more than once.

As to the mercury - mixed feelings. All mercury is bad. The bloody stuff is a cumulative poison. I am glad it is being withdrawn more widely. Not having to accept the timeresol preservative in my kids jabs was one of the reasons for moving to Scotland. Having said that, the amount in the jabs is tiny. So skip a tuna portion and have the jab.

There could be better communications too. The anti-vax misinformation out there would be better fought with clearer information than the blanket: "There, there this is completely safe." approach. Explaining that the jab is "Far, far safer than the disease." would be so much more accurate.

Last year I heard of a person whom had such a severe reaction to the flu jab they died. 1 person! 80,000 died of the flu that year. Most years there are no deaths from the jabs. There are still some bad reactions, but those who suffer them would almost certainly be among the worst affected by the disease too.

Even those who recover from the avoidable diseases can have long lasting problems. If that is not the case, although short-lived, some of those diseases themselves are horrendous. Of all the childhood diseases, I remember measles as the worst! A simple jab would have been so much kinder. A childhood friend was almost completely blinded by chickenpox, she was left slightly mentally disabled by it too.

Taking your time and doing your research like KiwiMom is sensible. But be sure of your sources, because most anti-vax sites are sorely misinformed.

A friend from an extreme religous community is visiting today. She will have her stick as always, the polio gave her that.

Right on, Lonewolf. There are many, many studies (not from this country, since the "science" is junk corporate science) that can be reviewed for those that can handle challenging their beliefs.

An opinion is formed after a review of the evidence, otherwise you are operating on a belief system.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccines/japan-leads-the-way-no-vaccine-mandates-and-no-mmr-vaccine-healthier-children/

Was going to comment but didnt. Dont know how to delete this.

I get my data from the same. A lot of them with my nose constantly in books and medical journals.
However even scientific facts can be hastily used in a damging way if one does not use caution amd some restraint
Look at the wonders of DDT and Chloroflourocarbons. So wonderful.

Just becaise you have facts does not mean rushing to judgement with what you have without further reasearch and thought is always a good healthy idea.

Technophobe wrote: Finding out you know more about the vaccine than the administering nurse is less unusual than you think. I've done it - more than once. As to the mercury - mixed feelings. All mercury is bad. The bloody stuff is a cumulative poison. I am glad it is being withdrawn more widely. Not having to accept the timeresol preservative in my kids jabs was one of the reasons for moving to Scotland. Having said that, the amount in the jabs is tiny. So skip a tuna portion and have the jab. There could be better communications too. The anti-vax misinformation out there would be better fought with clearer information than the blanket: "There, there this is completely safe." approach. Explaining that the jab is "Far, far safer than the disease." would be so much more accurate. Last year I heard of a person whom had such a severe reaction to the flu jab they died. 1 person! 80,000 died of the flu that year. Most years there are no deaths from the jabs. There are still some bad reactions, but those who suffer them would almost certainly be among the worst affected by the disease too. Even those who recover from the avoidable diseases can have long lasting problems. If that is not the case, although short-lived, some of those diseases themselves are horrendous. Of all the childhood diseases, I remember measles as the worst! A simple jab would have been so much kinder. A childhood friend was almost completely blinded by chickenpox, she was left slightly mentally disabled by it too. Taking your time and doing your research like KiwiMom is sensible. But be sure of your sources, because most anti-vax sites are sorely misinformed. A friend from an extreme religous community is visiting today. She will have her stick as always, the polio gave her that.

Technophobe wrote:  Yes, contrary to official wisdom, vaccines do damage people. No, the alternatives are worse.

Technophobe.
   I know I have some stubborn views which I propose and push sometimes but whether I am right or not. Thank yoi.
   I know although we may see occasionally eye to eye on a lot of things that alsonwe may disagree on just a few perhaps. Perhaps not. But I would rather believe so.
But I dont mind different views. On the contrary I desire them upon certain occasions. They can be refreshing and scientifically useful.
   I know you probably could have booted me for my attitude at times and for my personal beliefs at times. Sometimes to appease and make peace within the situation. Sometimes because they may differ. But you havent

   Thank you for not booting me. . . . so far. Lol!
   I realize you can and as it is definitly within your right. But you have not. So yhank yoi.
Thank you for the differing opinion at times if it be so. Thank you for sometimes for keeping me critically thinking. And Thank You for not booting me yet.
   Thank you.

Most vaccines have nothing to do with aluminium although it is used as an adjuvant in a few. It was mercury in timeresol.

Aluminium can form deposits in the brain, it may be implicated as an environmental factor in parkinsons and dementia. But aluminium salts are extremely common in our environment. Bauxite (aluminium ore) is the commonest rock. But it is also very hard to take into the body (I do not mean ingest, but absorb and utilise.) the body recognises it as an unwanted substance and eliminates it - this is why it works as an adjuvant. It is even used as the longest lasting antacid - which is given to some babies when they have digestive problems. There is some evidence that specific pesticides (specifically types of insecticide now banned in the EU) may facilitate the using of aluminium in cells, but this is apocryphal.

There is probably a confusion of cause and efect here. Autistic children often exhibit strange behaviours such as pica. That is a more feasable explanation for raised aluminium in their brain tissues, but it does not raise donations to fund research in other studies. Also a cohort of 5 is hardly a statistically significant number.

This is not a study; it is not even a theory yet; it is an hypothesis.

Why are you quoting a blog? That is hardly peer-reviewed science?

Neither I might add, is Chris Exleys work on this , despite his degree. (2.1) - which was in aluminium toxicity - in salmon!


Here is a current quote from Wikipedia's article on him: More recently he has become known for questionable research claiming to link aluminium adjuvants in vaccines with autism. This work,some of which has been retracted, has led to him losing research funding.


'And here is an article (less current) about him.

Professor who claims vaccines linked to autism funded through university portal

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Chris Exley, who says aluminium in vaccines may cause autism, has raised more than £22,000

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Sat 1 Jun 2019 07.00 BST
Last modified on Mon 3 Jun 2019 13.18 BST


Keele University said it did not support Professor Exley’s claims about links between aluminium in vaccines and autism.

A British professor who has claimed that aluminium in vaccines is linked to autism has raised more than £22,000 to support his work through a Keele University online donations portal, the Guardian can reveal.

Prof Chris Exley angered health experts for claiming that tiny amounts of aluminium in inactivated vaccines, such as the HPV and whooping cough inoculations, may cause “the more severe and disabling form of autism”.
Prof Chris Exley.

In 2017, the professor of bioinorganic chemistry published a paper on aluminium found in the brain tissue of five autistic patients that has been shared tens of thousands of times by vaccine skeptics online – [solor=yellow]despite criticism from health experts over its lack of controls and small sample size.[/color]

The research was part-funded by a grant from the Children’s Medical Safety Research Institute, a US-based organisation that challenges vaccine safety.

A Freedom of Information Act request by the Guardian has found that Exley received £22,173.88 in donations since October 2015 to help support his work, ranging from £2 to £5,000. More than £11,000 of contributions were made between January and April 2019. The majority of donations are less than £100.

Exley told the Guardian: “[The money is used to] support basic running costs of my lab and are not associated with any specific project. This is the nature of a donation as compared to a grant.”

Exley is group leader of the Birchall Centre at Keele University, which researches the role of metals in biology and materials science. Keele University said it did not support his claims about links between aluminium in vaccines and autism, adding: “The university emphatically supports the NHS policy of vaccination by recognising the importance current vaccines play in protecting childhood and adult health in the UK and globally.”

In April, the crowdfunding site GoFundMe took down a campaign started by Exley’s supporters to help fund his research because it reportedly violated the company’s policy against promoting misinformation about vaccines. No funds from the GoFundMe campaign were ever received by the professor. Keele University reviewed its own funding arrangements for Exley and has since created a new donation system with “a higher degree of transparency”.

When asked about the appropriateness of the University of Keele funding portal for Exley’s research, Paul A Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said he was not concerned about the nature of the funding for a study, but only with its scientific quality.

Offit added: “If someone raises a hypothesis, for example, a parent is concerned because their child has received an aluminium-containing vaccine and they’re worried it has caused their child developmental delay or an autoimmune syndrome, that’s a fair question to ask. And it’s an answerable question. The public health and academic community responds by answering that question.

“What matters is the strength and the internal consistency of the study, robustness and reproducibility of the data. Period.”

Offit cited a 2017 study that examined the relationship between the aluminium levels found in the blood and hair of children aged nine to 13 months, their immunisation history and their cognitive development, finding no relationship.

Exley’s paper on aluminium in the brain tissue of five autistic patients in 2017 has been shared more than 50,000 times on Facebook.

Prof Heidi J Larson, director of the Vaccine Confidence Project based at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said social media companies should partner with scientists to combat vaccine disinformation online.

“Social media companies have the expertise and access to adjust the algorithms to mitigate rather than amplify negative information, but identifying which content is inaccurate and potentially causing illness or death should be guided by health and scientific experts.

“The key issue is that the public health and scientific community needs to become more nimble and responsive and be far more present in the social media space. That’s where the public lives and we’re just not there in any compelling way.

In a statement, Keele University said: “Whilst we have processes to ensure that all university research is performed under strict ethical procedures, this does not necessarily mean that the personal views of academics when interpreting their research represent the views of the institution as a whole.”

• The headline of this article was amended on 3 June 2019 to clarify that Exley claims a link between vaccines and autism.   Source:   https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/01/professor-who-links-vaccines-to-autism-funded-through-university-portal


The yellow highlighting is mine. The UK no longer has a University in the top 3 worldwide. Even our best, Oxford and Cambridge no longer make the grade. Despite this Keele only ranks 54 on our scale and we are a small country. It advertises its 'friendly atmosphere' before its scientific rigor.

KiwiMum, that is true. For most the disease (measles) is not that bad. But for a few it is a disaster. The numbers for whom the vaccine also is not damaging are massively smaller still (approximately 100,000 X smaller in the worst cases.)

KiwiMum wrote: Technophobe wrote:  Yes, contrary to official wisdom, vaccines do damage people. No, the alternatives are worse. The thing is, for most people, getting the disease isn't so bad.

I agree carbon20. We have all here in this forum probably been around this endless times. Somehow i knew this debate was going to at some point rear its head around here. But I will always defend my position as there are others who need me to help defend theirs. As i am sure it is the same for you.
Still wondering about a ROM correlation between cramped city locations vs rural settings with good farming and humane animal raising.
What if one day we could solve the pandemic problem without heavy reliance on vaccination.