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Posted: August 14 2006 at 7:23am |
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White house briefing on fox news as we speak. Just mentioned bird flu found in Michigan swans. Think it is low path, but not sure. Will have an agriculture briefing in a few minutes.
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Will people even hear this? Time will tell but we should know soon enough.
I thought it would freak me out to hear that it is here. I am so glad that I have this forum, surely without it I would have. Thanks all for your information. We are ready, let's help the others. |
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Again, he said they think it is low path. Still waiting to hear from the agriculture briefing coming up.
Made my heart skip a beat too
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Had to switch to CSPAN to watch the briefing. Hopefully, the clinton/gates live coverage won't pre-empt this story as did the former isreal prime minister story.
Anyone in Michigan that can provide local coverage??
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White House: Lesser bird flu may be hereAssociated PressWASHINGTON - Scientists have discovered the possible presence of bird flu in wild mute swans in Michigan - but it does not appear to be the worrisome, highly pathogenic strain, the White House announced Monday. "They believe it is a strain of low pathogenicity, similar to strains that have been seen before in North America," White House spokesman Tony Snow said. Testing is still being done to confirm the presence of the virus and its type, officials said. Scientists had feared that the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu would reach North America sometime this year. Just last week, the U.S. expanded monitoring of wild migratory birds throughout the nation, to check for early warning signs. However, health officials stress that the virus' appearance in wild birds would not be a public health crisis - especially if it were the less worrisome, low-pathogenic strain. http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/living/health/15271318.htm |
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Another report;
http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/living/health/15271318.htm |
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We knew it would get here eventually. I am just glad that is being reported as H5N1 and that they are testing to see if it is High Path!
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I live in Mich. and have a flock of free range chickens.....Where were these found !!!!!!!! I live s.w. of Lansing |
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I can only get local channels WILX (Lansing) NO CABLE runs down this rural route ...Computer is dial-up.... |
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Possible bird flu strain found in U.S.
White House: Virus found in wild swans in Michigan not likely deadly form
The Associated Press
Updated: 11:03 a.m. ET Aug 14, 2006 WASHINGTON - Scientists have discovered the possible presence of bird flu in wild mute swans in Michigan —but it does not appear to be the worrisome, highly pathogenic strain, the White House announced Monday. "They believe it is a strain of low pathogenicity, similar to strains that have been seen before in North America," White House spokesman Tony Snow said. Testing is still being done to confirm the presence of the virus and its type, officials said. Scientists had feared that the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu would reach North America sometime this year. Just last week, the U.S. expanded monitoring of wild migratory birds throughout the nation, to check for early warning signs. However, health officials stress that the virus' appearance in wild birds would not be a public health crisis -- especially if it were the less worrisome, low-pathogenic strain. Scientists have discovered the possible presence of bird flu in wild mute swans in Michigan. Testing is still being done to confirm the presence of the virus and its type but health officials say it doesn't appear to be the highly pathogenic strain. A White House spokesman says researchers think it's a strain that has been seen before in North America. Scientists had feared that the deadly H5N1 strain would reach North America sometime this year. Health officials stress that the virus' appearance in wild birds would not be a public health crisis. © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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OK, last article I'll post as they all say about the same thing. This one a little more.
I am so glad this story has taken off like wildfire! It is all over every U.S. news outlet - within 15-30 min of first being reported. Maybe there is hope after all.
Bird Flu Found in Michigan Swans
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Scientists have discovered the possible presence of bird flu in wild mute swans in Michigan -- but it does not appear to be the most worrisome, highly pathogenic strain, the White House announced Monday. "They believe it is a strain of low pathogenicity, similar to strains that have been seen before in North America," White House spokesman Tony Snow said. Testing is still being done to confirm the presence of the H5N1 virus and its type. Officials with the Agriculture and Interior departments were to announce details later Monday morning. Scientists had feared that the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu would reach North America -- in birds -- sometime this year. Just last week, the U.S. expanded monitoring of wild migratory birds throughout the nation, to check for early warning signs. However, health officials stress that the virus' appearance in wild birds would not be a public health crisis -- especially if it were the less worrisome, low-pathogenic strain. The H5N1 virus has killed at least 138 people worldwide since it began ravaging Asian poultry stocks in late 2003. But virtually all caught the virus from close contact with sick birds or their droppings. Health officials are closely watching H5N1's march around the globe for fear the virus eventually could mutate into a strain that could spread easily from person-to-person, possibly sparking a worldwide epidemic. No one knows how likely that is to happen, and specialists agree that the risk doesn't jump even if a few infected birds are found to have entered the U.S. But if that happens, it could trigger additional security steps, especially to prevent wild birds from infecting U.S. poultry flocks, and more stringent monitoring. Wild birds, especially waterfowl, carry a multitude of flu viruses -- and officials have repeatedly warned that this first batch of testing could produce a lot of false alarms. Only confirmatory tests that will take several more days -- possibly up to 10 -- can tell whether a suspect bird really has H5N1 or some other harmless flu strain. If so, that testing also will confirm whether the virus is the so-called "high-pathogenic" version, the deadly type, or a so-called "low-pathogenic" version, a mild type not of concern for humans. (Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) |
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On the local news this a.m. there was a story about a foiled plot to blow up the mackinac bridge that connects the upper penninsula to lower Mich. big news day for us I guess |
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This is an old article that outlines what procedures they will use for testing and reporting the resutls to the public.
AMES, Iowa ~ Agriculture Department prepares for bird flu testing
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8647&PN=1 AMES, Iowa (AP) - The government's elaborate network for diagnosing bird flu will eventually come down to a sprawling 640-acre campus in the Iowa countryside where strict security is the only hint of the crucial role scientists there could play in a national drama that the country hopes will never materialize. The security and the elaborate protective clothing the Agriculture Department scientists wear - scrubs, coveralls, rubber boots, protective glasses, hairnets and gloves - looks like a made-for-TV disaster movie....." "Samples will be shipped to a network of laboratories across the country for screening. If a sample contains evidence of the H5 virus, it then gets shipped to Ames, where tests are run over several days to determine if the infected bird carried the H5N1 strain. First, virus from the sample is injected in bird eggs, which are tested five days later to determine whether it is one of 144 strains of bird flu or whether it is another disease such as Exotic Newcastle, which is harmless to humans but deadly to poultry. If it contains bird flu, the sample is tested to determine whether it is H5N1 or another of the avian influenzas. Only those testing positive for H5N1 go to the lab with the caged chickens. Eight of these birds, specially bred and disease-free, are injected with virus from the suspect sample. Perhaps within hours, certainly in two days, the birds will begin moving more slowly, perhaps hunching in the corner of the cage and no longer eating and drinking. Their wattles might turn from bright orange to blue. "If you lose 75 percent of the chickens, or more, then it's high-path," said Brundaben Panigrahy, head of the lab's avian section, using scientists' shorthand for the lethal strain of Asian bird flu. Although the test results will be announced publicly, likely by officials in Washington, Granger said this will not be a signal of a threat to humans." Note by Jhetta: It looks like they now think it is Low Path H5N1... they found Low Path H5N1 in Canada last August... lets hope that additional test's prove that it is indeed Low Path H5N1
Note... Low Path H5N1 has previously been found in the US.
White House: Lesser bird flu may be here
http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/living/health/15271318.htm LAURAN NEERGAARDAssociated PressWASHINGTON - Scientists have discovered the possible presence of bird flu in wild mute swans in Michigan - but it does not appear to be the most worrisome strain, the Bush administration announced Monday. The birds might have the H5N1 virus - confirmatory tests are under way - but other tests have ruled out that it could be the highly pathogenic version of that virus that has ravaged poultry in many other countries, Agriculture Department officials said. "This is not the highly pathogenic avian influenza virus that has spread through much of other parts of the world," said Ron DeHaven, administrator of USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service. "We do not believe this virus represents a risk to human health," he declared. |
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Nuts,
I just got back last Saturday from vacationing in Lower Michigan!
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I live in Michigan, south of Lansing, Ill be watching this story closely.
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What low strain are they talking about? I saw a few article on news now bird flu, but no mention of the low path strain. This is coming from the White House, so it seems important. There are at 6 or more stories floating on the wires.
MedClinician -- can you get confirmation on the strain?
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Just called to have my chickens picked up. I told him why and he said Bird flu huh? He's coming right over......They are a nice flock of 'dark cornish' from Mc Murray hatchery........My daughter is now confining them in her portable dog pen......I'm glued to the computer...No need to kiss them goodbye.... I don't think I'm over-reacting because I've been kicking this around for some time now... Mary |
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MaryR, Jackson here, were nearly neighbors
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I probably know you......If this isn't the 'real McCoy' it is at least dry run of what's to come.....Glad to know you're nearby.....See you at Sam's.... |
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Well, I guess we won't have to worry about media coverage when it does get here. It is being covered very well. It is every other story on the news boards.
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I thought H5NI was high path.
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my feelings too, Angie. I'm so glad they're reporting even low-path - maybe it will bring people back to the potential of a pandemic so that they can take precautions. Don't blame you a bit for your move, Mary R.
As we've seen, even the less lethal varieties can mutate overnight.
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No H5N1 is not always High Path.... it became High Path in Asia.... And is so far NOT High Path in North America.
"To date this High Path form of H5N1 Avian Influenza has not been found in the U.S. However, a Low Path strain of H5N1 was found on a Michigan poultry farm in 2002. At that time Michigan's State Veterinarian recommended the poultry flock be humanely destroyed as a safety precaution."
AVIAN INFLUENZA
Low-Pathogenicity H5N1 vs. High-Pathogenicity H5N1 http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1OB?contentidonly=true&contentid=2006/06/0224.xml June 2006 There are two types of avian influenza (AI) that are both identified as H5N1. A difference exists in the virus classification; one is low-pathogenicity (LPAI) and the other is high-pathogenicity (HPAI). Pathogenicity refers to the ability of the virus to produce disease.
HPAI H5N1, often referred to as the "Asian" H5N1, is the type causing worldwide concern. LPAI H5N1, often referred to as the "North American" H5N1, is less concerning. Following is an explanation of the differences between them.
LPAI H5N1 ("North American" H5N1)
LPAI, or "low path" AI, naturally occurs in wild birds and can spread to domestic birds. In most cases, it causes minor symptoms. It is rarely fatal in birds. These strains of the virus are not a human health concern. This includes LPAI H5N1.
Evidence of LPAI H5N1 has been found on two occasions in wild birds in the United States in recent years. In 1975, LPAI H5N1 was detected in a wild duck and in 1986, it was detected in a wild mallard. These detections occurred as part of routine sampling, not as a result of noticeable illness in the birds. These LPAI H5N1 strains are not closely related to the more severe HPAI H5N1 circulating overseas.
HPAI H5N1 ("Asian" H5N1)
HPAI, or "high path" AI, spreads rapidly and is often fatal to chickens and turkeys. This includes HPAI H5N1. Millions of birds have died in countries where HPAI H5N1 has been detected. This virus has also infected people, most of whom have had direct contact with infected birds.
HPAI H5N1 has not been detected in the United States. However, other strains of HPAI have been detected and eradicated three times in the United States: in 1924, 1983 and 2004. No significant human illness resulted from these outbreaks.
TERMINOLOGY
Avian influenza (AI)--the bird flu--is a virus that infects wild birds (such as ducks, gulls, and shorebirds) and domestic poultry (such as chickens, turkeys, ducks, and geese). There is flu for birds just as there is for humans and, as with people, some forms of the flu in birds are worse than others.
AI viruses are classified by a combination of two groups of proteins: the hemagglutinin or H proteins, of which there are 16 (H1-H16), and neuraminidase or N proteins, of which there are 9 (N1-N9).
Pathogenicity: the ability of the virus to produce disease. AI strains also are divided into two groups based upon the ability of the virus to produce disease: low pathogenic (LP) and highly pathogenic (HP).
Low Pathogenic or "low path" avian influenza (LPAI): LPAI occurs naturally in wild birds and can spread to domestic birds. In most cases it causes no signs of infection or only minor symptoms in birds. These strains of the disease pose little significant threat to human health. These strains are common in the U.S. and around the world.
Highly Pathogenic or "high path" avian influenza (HPAI): HPAI is often fatal in chickens and turkeys. HPAI spreads rapidly and has a high death rate in birds than LPAI. HPAI has been detected and eradicated three times in U.S. domestic poultry. HPAI H5N1 is the subtype rapidly spreading in some parts of the world.
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I fibbed One more article - just because it is a local report out of Michigan.
Article published Aug 14, 2006
BREAKING NEWS: Pointe Mouillee swans checked for bird flu strain Two mute swans found in Monroe County have a virus related to the bird flu that has swept parts of Asia, but officials don't believe the discovery represents any threat to human health. The birds were two among 20 that were sampled at the Pointe Mouillee State Game Area last week. Further testing is under way, but the virus found is believed to be a low pathogenic strain "and not known to produce any illness in people," said Dr. Ron DeHaven, a United States Department of Agriculture administrator. "This is not the virus found in Asia or other parts of the world - that we can say for certain," Dr. DeHaven said. A highly pathogenic version of the H5N1 strain resulted in the deaths of millions of birds and hundreds of people in parts of China and Asia. Dr. DeHaven also said the strain carried by the Pointe Mouillee swans is believed to be that found in the United States in 1975 and in Manitoba, Canada, last year and is not known to produce illness in people. Federal and state officials have stepped up their waterfowl monitoring programs since the Asian bird flu scare in hopes of finding early evidence of the disease if it migrates to this country. They discussed the Pointe Mouillee swan discovery during a press conference this morning because the H5 strains can mutate rapidly. But Dr. DeHaven said there's no evidence yet that the virus found is a threat to poultry. "The finding of this virus in wild birds should be no basis for any country imposing trade restrictions," he said. He said the virus was found in genetic tests on birds taken during a thinning of the mute swan population at Pointe Mouillee. It was pinpointed at a screening lab at Michigan State University, and the swans with the virus now are undergoing more tests at the National Veterinary Services Laboratory in Ames, Iowa. The plan there is to inoculate eight chicks with the swan virus. If six or more die within 10 days, the strain might be categorized as a high pathogenic virus. The results might be known in two weeks. Meantime, he said there's no cause for health officials to take any steps in response to the discovery. Pointe Mouillee, in Berlin Township on the Lake Erie shore, is a 3,000-acre marsh that's part of the migratory path for waterfowl, birds of prey, songbirds and about 75,000 shorebirds. |
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Thanks Sand, That takes a major worry off me for now........ I need to focus on the family now that I have them all wound up.. |
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Your welcome, MaryR. I've been rather transfixed by this whole thing this morning. First with China, now here. What a way to spend the first day of no kids/start of school year! I has been a distraction at least...I miss my kids
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Part of the National Response Plan is to send all suspected H5N1 birds for testing in Ames. They are currently testing for High Path in Ames.
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Our FIRST blinking chicken
Biologycal Hazard - North-America
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Thanks Jhetta for the clarification.
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Sand , Don't feel too bad, in just a few short hours they'll be flying in with armloads of forms to fill out for school.....I miss those days... |
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I thought low path can turn into high path if It isnt contained????
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To some extent, I'm getting mixed signals from these reports today. They say that the H5N1 is not high-path, yet they are doing more tests to verify. However, in the same report they say that they have ruled out H5N1 high path. Which is it? If it takes two weeks to conduct the tests, have they not completed those tests yet.
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Here is some information on avian influenza viruses from the CDC.
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LPAI viruses have the potential to evolve into HPAI viruses and this has been documented in some poultry outbreaks.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/avian-influenza.htm |
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I didn't see/read the news briefing so cannot determine the tone of how
all this was presented, but a big question I have is why is there a
briefing about this low-path version, which has been in the U.S.
before? Why do we need to be briefed about something that poses
no threat to humans or birds? With everything in the world going
on this seems strange unless they already know it is high path or seem
to think there is a good chance the follow up tests could show it ...
someone please talk me thru this, I can;t get it out of my mind why
they would brief on something innnocuous unless they are trying to
break this to us gently in stages.
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Well, to clarify, this was the general daily white house briefing with the press. They primarily covered Isreal and Lebanon. The briefing was definately not strictly related to Michigan.
Tony Snow just kind of threw it out there as in Oh, by the way, you'll be hearing about this soon in the news and there will be an Ag briefing in a moment on the subject .
He didn't say anything else about it that I saw, but I was in and out of the room so not for sure on that.
As for what it means, not sure, but am glad they are keeping us informed.
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Does anybody else find it odd that the determination of High path will be made by the death of 6/10 chicks or a 60% mortality?
Truly I don't know anything about the virus in birds. I must assume that they are making reasonable choices. It just seems like the death of 5/10 chicks would also be significant...
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So there is HPAI and LPAI with from what I can tell a very generalized description.
Exactly what in terms of Verolgy Testing would determine the difference, does anyone know?????
Or are they just clueless and waiting for birds to die before thaey say its HPAI.
Does anyone one know the exact location where the birds were tested?????
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I am glad that this incident was brought up at the the daily briefing. Had they NOT mentioned it, there would no doubt be talk of 'cover-up and conspiracy' abounding. Before rumors get out of hand, it's best to stand up and say, "Yes, this is what is going on. We know many (some?) of you are concerned about AI (or any other potential pandemic situation) in light of what is happening in other parts of the world. Here is what we have found so far..."
It is an uncomfortable truth to hear a reminder that any type of H5N1 is in the US but blissful ignorance will not aid in my (or your) preparations. Sure wish Ed McMahon would pull through with that big check so I could prep in the manner to which I would like to become accustomed if need be. You know, large propane tank, generators, independent wealth so I can move back to the old farm of childhood. Alas, reality rears its head yet again. At least I have wind-up flashlights and radios for comfort while I eat my pop top cans of beans and fruit.
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I found this on-line and thought it was interesting.
Laboratory in Madison Testing Migratory Bird Samples for Bird FluMay 25, 2006 : 12:00 AM
The US Geological Survey Lab in Madison, Wisconsin may be the first to know if the bird flu has hit the United Sates. They are testing fecal samples of migratory birds from the shoreline of the Alaskan coast. Many miratory birds use the Alaskan coast as an entry point to the country. The lab expects about 1300 samples to arrive over the next few days. While other government labs are doing testing as well, the nature of the samples is such that the Wisconsin lab may the first to spot the disease. "If we find an H5 or H7 positive, it's been decided we will send it immediately to the National Veterinary Services Lab in Ames, Iowa," says Paul Slota. The Iowa lab will then confirm whether or not the virus has entered the country. News of a positive test in Iowa would likely come out of Washington in a joint announcement from several government agencies. http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com May 24, 2006 |
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From above comments_________________________________________________
In fact there's another possibility with regard to this particular situation, and that is that these birds are not infected with an H5N1 virus at all; but instead they could be infected with two separate avian influenza viruses, one contributing the H5 component and the second virus contributing the N1 component. Further testing will determine whether or not that is the case._______________________________________________________
WOW thats reassuring!!! Sounds like the testing used needs a major upgrade if you ask me. They dont know if its one or two virus samples in the results???? So what he is saying is it could be
H5N2
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H7N1
and there test cant distinguish the difference?????
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