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Hmm after 8 years of a republican, now we have a democrat again.yey! i just hope he stays true to his word, congrats obama :) I hope people didnt just pick him because he was black*half-black* cuz i think it should have been all on merit, makes it more just and such.
**so no one thinks im playing the race card, im black myself* lol
This is from the yahoo news:
WASHINGTON – Barack Obama was elected the nation's first black president Tuesday night in a historic triumph that overcame racial barriers as old as America itself.
The son of a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas, the Democratic senator from Illinois sealed his victory by defeating Republican Sen. John McCain in a string of wins in hard-fought battleground states — Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Iowa. A huge crowd in Grant Park in Chicago erupted in jubilation at the news of Obama's victory. Some wept. McCain called his former rival to concede defeat — and the end of his own 10-year quest for the White House. "The American people have spoken, and spoken clearly," McCain told disappointed supporters in Arizona. Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, will take their oaths of office as president and vice president on Jan. 20, 2009. As the 44th president, Obama will move into the Oval Office as leader of a country that is almost certainly in recession, and fighting two long wars, one in Iraq, the other in Afghanistan. The popular vote was close, but not the count in the Electoral College, where it mattered most. There, Obama's audacious decision to contest McCain in states that hadn't gone Democratic in years paid rich dividends. Obama has said his first order of presidential business will be to tackle the economy. He has also pledged to withdraw most U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months. Fellow Democrats rode his coattails to larger majorities in both houses of Congress. They defeated incumbent Republicans and won open seats by turn. The 47-year-old Illinois senator was little known just four years ago. A widely praised speech at the Democratic National Convention, delivered when he was merely a candidate for the Senate, changed that. Overnight he became a sought-after surrogate campaigner, and he had scarcely settled into his Senate seat when he began preparing for his run for the White House. A survey of voters leaving polling places on Tuesday showed the economy was by far the top Election Day issue. Six in 10 voters said so, and none of the other top issues — energy, Iraq, terrorism and health care — was picked by more than one in 10. "May God bless whoever wins tonight," President Bush told dinner guests at the White House, where his tenure runs out on Jan. 20. The Democratic leaders of Congress celebrated in Washington. "It is not a mandate for a party or ideology but a mandate for change," said Senate Majority leader Harry Reid of Nevada. Said Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California: "Tonight the American people have called for a new direction. They have called for change in America." Shortly after 11 p.m. in the East, The Associated Press count showed Obama with 338 electoral vote, well over the 270 needed for victory. McCain had 127 after winning states that comprised the normal Republican base. The nationwide popular vote was remarkably close. Totals from 58 percent of the nation's precincts showed Obama with 51 percent and McCain with 47.9. Interviews with voters suggested that almost six in 10 women were backing Obama nationwide, while men leaned his way by a narrow margin. Just over half of whites supported McCain, giving him a slim advantage in a group that Bush carried overwhelmingly in 2004. The results of the AP survey were based on a preliminary partial sample of nearly 10,000 voters in Election Day polls and in telephone interviews over the past week for early voters. Democrats also acclaimed Senate successes by former Gov. Mark Warner in Virginia, Rep. Tom Udall in New Mexico and Rep. Mark Udall in Colorado. All won seats left open by Republican retirements. In New Hampshire, former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen defeated Republican Sen. John Sununu in a rematch of their 2002 race, and Sen. Elizabeth Dole fell to Democrat Kay Hagan in North Carolina. Democrats also looked for gains in the House. They found their first in Florida, defeating Rep. Tom Feeney, and another in Connecticut, where 22-year veteran Chris Shays was swept away by the Democratic tide. The resurgent Democrats also elected a governor in one of the nation's traditional bellwether states when Missouri Attorney General Jay Nixon won his race. |
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I'm happy for all the people that Pres. Obama's win brings joy to. A good thing that is. but I am not thrilled to see ... the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who spoke to ABCNews.com by phone from Chicago on Election Day. "For blacks who voted for Obama, this is reconciliation, for whites, it is redemption," said Jackson, Now Whites have.... absolution for past sins, according to Jackson... the dead white people? The Muslims of various shades traded slaves and so did the Africans themselves. It will be nice to see a young family in the White house. |
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Another stupid statement from Jackson. Does it never end with Sharpton or this guy? I don't need anyone telling me that I've been "redeemed".(whatever that's supposed to mean) Especially that fake. Reverend my ass.
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A lot of people had to come to terms with any feelings they may have had about electing an African American, and it's inspiring to see that this whole process in itself was a period of evolution for people all around the world - with America leading the way. To see minorities celebrating, dancing and crying in the streets, sure makes it all worth it. This election is probably the single largest step forward in our long history, and I believe this can actually change the way we're viewed by the rest of the world. |
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There are a quite few talk radio hosts that also do America no good either with their rantings. I listened to a few over the last few days and they go on for hours with their crazy talk and their call in supporters. I heard things that could be considered very un American. Just remember the Secret Service takes a very dim veiw of such talk. I'm Very happy to have a young man with vision running the show. I'm just sorry that he has such a tough row to hoe. But I have confidence he will be up to the challenge. It's time for action no more BS.
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Americans as a whole are pretty good at getting behind the man in office, unless he drags us to the bottom :) That was kind of what happened. So it must be better ahead. I heard a lot of talk from young people on their parents voting. It seems the college/grad group's parents who were looking at retirement and folks in that 50 to 65+ range did vote for Pres. Elect Obama because Mr. Mc Cain's Health Care Plan was lousy.
Whoever advised him fell down there. Did he not know what people are thinking about, no health care? For 10 yrs...55 to 65... what is there in place? I think Albert mentioned Mc Cains sad Health Care Plan. Children in that voting group are very connected to thier parents and aware of the health debacle. Because they age off the parents plan after college and have NO insurance until they get a full time job. So the kids can identify. You wonder what kind of people are advising our officials.... |
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Oh, Lord....someone really does need to medicate Jessie Jackson somehow. He is so embarrassing.
Anyhow, last night I threw a big party for all my neighbors so we could watch the returns together. Some are red and some are blue, but we all knew what an historic event this was and it was a great celebration. I made my famous mac and cheese and my husband made prime-rib "sliders". We built a bonfire, and everyone got along
famously. It was a thrilling evening. As I sat on the couch watching our new president's address, I marveled at all the extraordinary American experiences I've been lucky enough to witness: Our walk on the moon, the new millenium, the outpouring of love and unity after the tragedy of 9/11, and now, a president who represents "the face of America today"; diverse, compassionate, intelligent and committed. I hope he can "bring it". I crossed party lines this time to help him win.
What a historic day!
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I have to say that while I'm very happy in the outcome of the election I was extremely impressed with the grace and strength that John McCain showed in his speech last night as he conceded. While the boos from the audience show a complete lack of class, McCain went to great lengths to prevent it, much to his credit. He has served this country in ways most of us cannot imagine and while he wasn't my candidate of choice I have always respected him as someone who served with a great deal of integrity.
That said, I was still hoping for an Obama victory. What about that incredible victory speech? Not a a dry eye in the house here. Watched it again this morning and couldn't help but get choked up. After 8 years of mispronunciations and "deer in the headlights" facial expressions, we have someone who can think on his feet, and speak with an eloquence that I haven't seen since Clinton. I just hope that everyone gives him a chance to try and get us out of this mess we're currently mired in, and not expect instant results. 8 years of mismanagement won't be fixed overnight.
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Amen to that!
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All of you who voted for Obama. Good Luck. I hope you will not get disappointed
And if you do, well ??????????? |
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jacksdad very well put...its going to be exciting to see how things turn out...the world was watching and they were excited too...
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True Endman...The Obama people may have a rude awakening a year or 2 down the road or sooner..I hope that I am wrong and that Obama will turn out to be a great president! We shall see..
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jacksdad
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Give him a chance. We gave George two and he still couldn't get it right
Sorry - couldn't resist...
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
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This country got what it deserve selecting Obama for pres. hes a socialist and this country will be socialist the day he takes office.Read the interview that Glenn Beck has with Orrin Hatch they was talking that the constitution will hang by a thread.personally I'm not looking forward whats a coming
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So nationalizing all the bad debts of Wall Street and the gov buying into banks is not socialist? That occurred with the blessings of many Republicans including McCain and Bush. Neither candidate was my choice but any Republicans calling Obama a socialist should look to the recent decisions supported by their leaders before calling names.
Also, we elected Bush twice and got what we deserved also......
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95% of the blacks voted for Obama. This seems like racism to me.
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how many white persons voted for mccain thats racism,too......alot of white people like myself vote for Obama.....he's an American.... this country is made up by a lot of Americans of different nationalities, and women too...why does it always have to be a white guy being president......
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I'm still somewhat thankful that this didn't put the Palins in office. Even Palin's husband Todd spent 20k - 40k on clothes during the campaign (over 90 days)?? These guys have some serious spending problems and they don't seem like "average people" to me. ... Keep those jokers in Alaska.
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It's sad that some are so against President elect Obama, He will not be the new presideny until 1/20/09. So right now W is still in charge of the show. I wish the lame duck would show up and do something different to get the ship of state back on course, Right now we are like a rudder-less ship floundering on the shoals. Sinking very rapidly.
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.....first biracial president, by the way.
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I am so excited and am proud to be living in America for the first time in 8 years.Maybe we will stand a chance now.
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Doesn't matter if president is black, white, purple or pink...male or female, etc...this president has his work cut out for him...no matter what side you are in we are in for a very rough ride. Hang on. Melody |
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Obama is going to be a unmitigated disaster.
What makes me laugh is the rather stupid position that by electing this P.O.S. that somehow it's going to up our standing with the world.
I'll be very surprised if this idiot even makes it to the two year mark, with the level of corruption that he blatantly shows, even his fellow democrats are going to have to vote for impeachment.
Further I find it rather hilarious that maybe the Europeans are right about us: they say we're the stupidest people on Earth. Get this: We elected a very charismatic sham to the White House. He's little more than a media production, and they biased their way to a president.
No worries though. With his little plans to raise the capital gains tax to 30% (A very dimwitted move) and completely destroy investment, maybe those that want there to be Anarchy will get their wish when the U.S. enters a depression. Who's going to be stupid enough to invest your hard earned cash into the economy when you know damn well that the government's going to be taking their THIRD of it? Not me, thank you very much.
With a rate that high I'm going to pull all my money out of my 401k and TSP (Military retirement) and just throw it all into a high yield CD, or high interest savings. I'll actually make more money there than I would in the stock market under Obama!
One Good thing that might (*MIGHT*) come of this is that the Republicans might have finally gotten burned enough that they're going to get back to their Conservative roots who elected them and they abandoned. When Obama utterly screws up, the Democrats are in for a big loss.
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"My friends".... whatever screw-up obama does, will be nothing compared to how bad McCain would have been.
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The problem is not with him been black the problem is in this country for the past 30 years or so Blacks are pushed up and up like they can’t do this by themselves. I think every person can be a hero or a not, but when it’s done artificially is looks fake. People already saying that Obama will be the greatest president ever, just because he is black. Like white people can not do anything rite. |
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It makes me sick to think that 95% of blacks voted for Obama simply because he is black. That's outright racism anyway you look at it. If 95% of the whites had voted for McCain that you'd never hear the end of it.
Blacks are more racist than whites!
It turned my stomach to see Jesse Jackson & Oprah Winfrey shedding tears at Obama's acceptance speech. They were tears of joy that a "black brother" got elected.
It would have been totally different if Obama got elected, not because of racism by the black voters, but because the black & white vote was more evenly split along party lines.
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And you base that on...........?
Oh right, you're still trying, just like the rest of us, to figure out exactly what he is and isn't for. Come on Albert, think about this. Outside working for ACORN, a racist, fraudulent organization that is indighted time and again for voter fraud what qualification does this man have to be president? Again I challenge you to somehow come up with a single position that he has other than "Change" and pull the troops out of Iraq immediately. I highly doubt you can, and I really do consider you to be an intelligent person.
Obama's already talking about stupid legislation that would utterly destroy any semblance of an economy we have. High taxes only hurts the people at the bottom, stifles investment, and destroys work ethics. If people are forced to pay considerably more to the government for no good reason, there's just no incentive for them to work harder as they only lose the money they just worked for. How could McCain been worse than that???
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Hey! The debate king is back! Welcome Turbo! To my Obama friends: All that I can say is tell me how Obama Messiah and our country is doing a year or 2 down the road from now..I'm afraid you will all be in for a rude awakening..
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Like i was told 8 years ago by the other side just get over it! Bush WON!Seems like that may work again lol
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Something wicked these way comes!!
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The Bush white house is doing everything they can to make the transition smooth. Perphaps all his supporters should try to do the same. I guess W is ready for another vaca and just can't wait to head for the hills. I always give each new president a fair chance and that is just part of being a compassionate US citizen.
I don't expect miracles, with the mess that we got into with the current elected officials. While I don't expect any increase in my taxes, I can't see how raising the tax on the wealth is going to break their bank. If the new tax rate hurts them at all I'd be surprized, If it does they can go out and get a second job or cut their budget, just like the rest of us have had to do. |
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I've been following McCain for several years on various programs and interviews, and the guy will say ANYTHING you want to hear. Similar to his scumbag friend Trent Lott.
It rubbed me wrong when McCain wanted to give ALL of the tax breaks to the top 5% wealthiest, along with giving the big oil companies a 3.8 billion tax cut, and anyone earning under 50k a year would get NO tax cut under McCain. So the middle class would get nothing and the wealthy would get wealthier. Since McCain is also very wealthy, it looks to me as if he was taking care of his cronies, similar to Bush. Under McCain, the Middle class get nothing. Since I'm "middle class" myself, why on earth would I want that war-monger as president?? McCain's healthcare plan was also terrible. He is an old time hot head who would certainly get us into war.
Other than someone having deep rooted racial views, I can't see why anyone would vote for McCain, unless your extremely wealthy, or you're a CEO of a big oil company, or you're a republican who can't think outside the box.
I suppose I also don't have to mention how McCain flip flops on most issues, which goes back to how he will say anything that people want to hear.
And last, I'll touch on the age issue again. McCain might live to be a hundred, but it's a fact that people experience a decline in mental abilities in the their late 60's, and by the age 74, they are 1/3 slower. Therefore, his judgment as president would be off significanlty, and God knows what type of trouble he would have gotten us in to. One thing is for certain, with McCain as President, you would see a lot more bailouts for the CEO's.
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Who told you that 95% of blacks voted for him because he's black? I'm sure some did, and that's a shame. I'm sure also, that a number of whites who haven't voted in years stepped up to vote against him for the same reason. Honestly, I was raised in a conservative republican household, but you guys are embarrassing me. I think this man knows he's not God. He looks very somber to me right now. He knows what's ahead and he knows it isn't going to be easy. Many from both sides of the aisle will be disappointed that he's not moving fast enough, but I dare someone else to take on this job right now. Anyone???
I didn't think so. But "that one" is going to give it his best shot....oh....I forgot....That's "president 'that one" to you.
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I'm really sorry you assumed their tears were for what you have. I am white, however my closest friend for over 30 years is half black and half American Indian, and I perceived it very differently. In those tears I see pride... Pride that our country has come so far in a single lifetime, from Rosa Parks to today... Pride that Obama has broken through all the preconceived barriers and proved to everyone that a minority can accomplish great things that no one previously would have assumed possible... It was an overwhelming moment in history. If you saw the crowd, there were many white people crying, and I sat on my couch with tears in my eyes as well, proud to be part of history, and proud to be an American... NOT because a "black brother" is going to be president.
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And Barak won't? McCain had the extremely unpopular (And correct) position that we'd have to stay in Iraq for the forseeable future until Iraq's ready to stand on its own. It's no secret that I'm a 2nd amendment guy, and Barak is all about telling me he's a supporter while he's pushed legislation to ban handguns totally, ban scary looking semi auto rifles, and a confiscatory ban on firearms in certain areas of Illinois.
This is a good compound paragraph!
If you make less than 50k a year you already pay a paltry amount. 15% if you're married, 25% if you're single. Even though I am not a rich person by any stretch of the imagination, they're already paying 35% of their income to the government for God knows what. This year I will have made $77,400 in pay from employment with two months of tax freedom (For war). I also have a house that I rent out two units for a thousand per month apiece. I still have to pay property taxes, insurance, upkeep, utility bills already, yet they don't factor that in. I make over a hundred thousand dollars, which puts me smack dab in the realm of getting taxed rediculously because I made decisions that were smart. Then he's going to take money from me and give it to the bottom 20%. I'm sorry, but I bust my behind, work myself ragged, and go to war for money for me, not someone else. We should take a good long look at the former USSR or China to see how well that one's working out.
His socialized medicine is going to be a disaster. As we all know, especially here on AFT, hospitals hold on staying afloat is already tenuous at best. Let people get free anything, anytime and it's going to be a zoo. It will become like the disaster Canada's or England's healthcare system is. When you have well to do people from Canada coming to the US for healthcare when they can get it for free there, there is a big problem. I'm not defending the current system, quite the opposite, it's a mess, but it's a far cry better than having you with your *currently* operable cancer having to wait behind me and my ingrown toenail.
As for getting us into war, exactly where are you talking about? Obama is talking about pulling us out of Iraq before it's done right and making another Afghanistan of the 80's. We will be going back there in the near future if he does that, and far more people are going to die through religious cleansing, and when we go back and grind them into dust... again.
ROFL! That's a good one! If you didn't vote for someone that has zero experience, is little more than a media product, and has talked about doing all the wrong things to fix the economy, then you're a damn dirty racist, a Mrmoneybags, or an idiot. Last time I checked, 95% of black people voted for that idiot for the simple reason of: he black. Well they got their wish, we're going to have a black president, and he's going to be a disaster.
Exactly how old was Ronald Reagan when he was elected? Would you say the same thing about Harry Truman, how about FDR?
I will agree that some good might come of the Obama presidency. Women's rights, abortion, will stay legal. Also stem cell research will get the funding it needs.
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This election means far more than just the first African American becoming president. We have to look at the big picture, and what this means for racism and attitudes among African Americans, and how the rest of the world will view us.
For the first time, a lot of African Americans feel enormous pride in this country, and they have new dreams and inspirations as we have ALWAYS had. All Americans have the right to life and liberty, but the Pursuit of Happiness has never meant as much as it does now, to so many more people. This should be a time of pride for everybody.
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WOW, thank you hachiban08. I did not vote for Obama. I am white. I really felt your words are filled with great wisdom. I too hope people picked Obama for his merit but sadly I believe he was chosen because he is partially black. I and many others will do as John McCain said in his final speech and stand behind our country's new Commander-In-Chief. I am an American Vietnam Era Veteran who still believes this is the greatest country to live.
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Albert, I thought things were too calm around here and that perhaps personal attacks about things people write in were a thing of the past.
Perhaps, I was wrong. I share your veiws about a leaders age and ability to reason. After seeing the debates and seeing McCain not look at Obama he convinced me of his in-ability to be a man of reason. It seems to me the only time some people will extend a hand across the aisle,, Is to stab you in the back. This now will be the only role of the minority, I fear. |
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Before we get too weird about the color of the newly elected President's skin (oops - too late...), he cites the biggest influence in his life as his mother. His white mother, that is. The guy even used the word "mutt" to describe himself. For all the white people that have a problem with his ethnicity, there's as much of you in him as any of the African-Americans that voted for him. Quit being weird about it - we should be well past this being an issue. |
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FDR and Truman were almost a full decade younger than McCain when they took office. Ronald Reagan was also younger than McCain when he became President at the age of 69. McCain would have been the oldest.
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Jacksdad, I don't know any "white" people who have a problem with his ethnicity. What they do have a problem with is his idealogy. It seems to be that those who are black (not African-American) are the ones who have the problem with a mans skin color. I heard on the CBS Morning program this black lady say that Obama is an "African-American Mix." Breaking News: Obama is just as much white as he is black. How stupid can one get. From now on Obama is to be called a European-American mix. I bet that would include most of us. My two boys are half Asian and half white but I don't say they are white and my wife doesn't say they are Asian, we both say that they are AMERICANS! And finally for all the black people out there who voted for this man because he is black I ask you this: Did not Martin Luther King say that you should judge not a man by his skin color but judge him by the content of his character? You then should be ashamed of yourselfs and I bet if MLK was alive now he would smack the likes of Obama, J. Jackson and Sharpton for what they have done NOT to THEIR people but to AMERICA. And Hachiban, can you tell my just one reason why you voted for this man? And can you tell me what socialism is? |
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I am a minority, American Indian, I did not vote for Obama, I voted for McCain, I live in Oklahoma. As I understand Oklahoma had the highest voting % for McCain than any other state, I am very proud of that and glad to be living here! However, I will support our president elect when he becomes president IF I agree with what he is doing, I certainly won't if he is proposing something/programs that are morally offensive to me, but for the most part yes I will support him. I do not think he will be able to live up to what he says he can do, but I really hope that he can. I saw in one of his campaign speeches he is already saying we might not be able to get all this done in one term, so he is already looking for an out. I hope that he pulls through for all those that voted for him because they needed medical insurance or for whatever other reasons they had, I hope he lives up to their expectations. I have no expectations so if he does good things I will be pleasantly surprised. I was disappointed, but I am willing to give him a chance to see if he can do what he says he can. All we can do is wait and see.
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You keep coming back to this point. Who gives two squirts of monkey piss how the world views us? The rest of the world's moral compass is so backwards they couldn't even find their way to the corner store. In that world, you've got to include the French who are, as I write this, stuffing their ghettos chock full of their lower class, the British are putting a camera on every streetcorner in a 1984-esque nightmare, I shouldn't even have to say Africa, Russia is trying to rebuild the USSR, China is a joke of human rights, and the Middle East is a powder keg just waiting to be lit by nuclear fire.
Paying homage to those that created Nazism, Communism, Fascism, the worst atrocities the world has ever seen, and who want the worst possible outcome for the US makes no sense at all... apparently unless you voted for Obama.
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I am a very partisan person. I am extremely conservative. I have reasons just as you all have your reasons for what you believe in. I wanted the conservative ticket to win. I never fooled myself into thinking McCain was a conservative himself. I believe that both men had some extreme faults. I believe both have some extreme talents. I think as a nation we have allowed ourselves to be pulled apart for too long. I personally do not care what other countries think about us. We are the policie force and the samaritian of the world. If they do not love us, they should. My opinion. We dont send people to Siberia that we do not like, we do not elect Nazis, we do not have violent coups, we do not cut peoples heads off or hands off for punishment. I know we have problems but I would choose no where else on eatth to live. No matter who is in office. After 9/11 we stood as a nation. When we do that, we are a force to be reakoned with. I believe that we are pulled apart by people who do not have our best interests at heart. If we are pulled apart, we are so busy fighting each other, we dont see the real enemy.
Age, people talk about McCains age, you can not compare his age to other presidents of the past, because people live much longer now, are healthier and more active, due to enormous advances in medicine. I would caution all of us, to not be age discriminatory as that is where we are all headed.
Color, should only matter if when we are hurt we bleed a different color then anyone else. If we bleed red, we are all in the human race.
Gender also makes no difference we have had exceptional female leaders, Golda Mier, Margaret Thatcher, Benezar Bhutto.
Pallin had to buy clothes, because they do not wear fancy clothes like that, she did not go shopping personally and it was reported that she balked and could not believe the cost of the designer labels. This is really pretty petty, in the big scheme of things. Everyone who has a indulgence of any sort could be ridiculed in fact we all could, there are children and innocents dying all over the world and our money would have been better suited to help them then to buy whatever it is we have, a nice car, fancy home, nice clothes or jewelry. Not one of us, would want to be put down and writen about for having these things, and espeically not if it was not even our idea to get them. McCains advisors thought that the Palin family who are not millionaires needed to have better things. Remember Todd did not work the whole time, he was off running around the country with his family to try to serve us. Sure as the sun will come up tomorrow, Michelle Obama is going to be ridiculed for the same thing. So lets just stop it now.
I would like to believe that every person who serves our country whether I personally like thier politics or not, wants to make it better. For that I admire them. I admire people who vote and get involved no matter who they vote for.
Each side sees the others radio and TV statiions as being biased and hate filled. We have freedom of speech. Remember, I may not like what you say, but I will die for your right to say it. Many have already and they were both democrat and republican and some never voted at all.
I voted for Bush and I am not happy with him. However, let me say this, he did face some of the worst things, any president has had to face. No one man ever has enough power to cause a terrible event. He rallied out country, when we needed it. He did not pay enough attention to polls and stopped doing what the American people wanted. On the other hand, his predicessor paid too much attention to polls, and sometimes did not do the best thing, but the popular thing.
The financial crisis, is due to not enough regulation, banks are going nuts whith the way they can charge and get money out of people, and big business is about nothing but profit and loss. So like a democrat I believe they need a watch dog, because I believe by nature most humans have it in them to be greedy. On the other hand, it was the passing of a law in 1995 that forced banks to make loans they knew were bad, thus the term sub prime, that has caused a huge amount of this mess. Thinking it was a right and not a privelege to own a home, the government forced the banks to make bad loans and we are now paying for it. In my estimation, no one party has the hold on good and no one does on bad either. They each have had their times to shine as both the good guys and the bad guys, and history will bear that out.
President Obama has tried to bring us together, when he said he was a president for all the people not just the blue states. He wants to earn our respect and trust. President Bush is trying to make the transition smooth, so let us help him. The hate has to stop. We need to become United States again. I propose, we go back to talking about disaster and how to avoid it. Let us start by uniting here.
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There was some talk here months ago about Obama's natural citizen condition.
The update is http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-supreme-court-and-obamas-birth-certificate/
Basically he has let almost a year gone by and has not supplied the required documents.
Things could get interesting come Dec 1 and Dec 13th if he does not respond to the Supreme Court's requirements.
I sure hope this gets clearifyed before the electorial college meets. They could change everything.
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after all is said and done- more is said than done
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All I have to say is Obama is not my president and never will be. Its a very dark day for America.
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Everyday is a good day and if you dont believe that try missing one.
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