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BeachMama
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In the United States alone: Two 17 year olds dead One 1 year old dead A 13 year old dead A 6 week old infant dead That’s just all the under-20s I can think of off the top of my head. It’s not just 80 year olds. Who, btw, are humans as well, and deserve the dignity of being seen as deserving life. People are acting as if the elderly are sacrificial lambs to this virus. Sorry, but to me, my parents matter despite their age! |
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Our government created that nut, with what they did to his dad......but he is still a nut. |
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The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself......FDR
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Is he really a nut or is the sanest person in the world. I'm on his side. Sort of... The world has gone nuts. Mass hysteria. I cant trade across boarders. This is idiotic. Pure insanity This virus only kills 1 in 200 people. That is stuff all! Not to mention the people who are dying, are eighty years old. |
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FluMom
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He is a NUT...put him in jail! Sorry I but some NUTS have guns but all people who have guns are not NUTS! |
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CRS, DrPH
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Sanity is in short supply..... Militia Leader Vows To Defend Lockdown ViolatorsApril 3, 2020 Coronavirus, Extremists Talking Points Memo reports:
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Technophobe
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We too will be planting. It seems the best option. Even if stores are large, tinned and dried foods have lost some of their vitamins in the preserving process and the chelation bonds are broken for the minerals. A small handfull of fresh greens fills that hole. Even without a garden, a windowsill can make a big difference. |
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FluMom
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I am not surprised we have 300 million people that need to be fed over the next several months. Most of us knew that everything will be out. If this lasts too long we will look like Socialist/Communist country with empty shelves and veg. bins. I guess that is why so many of us put lots of food away in our stores. Plant a garden that is what I am doing. |
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WitchMisspelled
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That's stunning, BeachMama. LDS seems to be the first on the ground in disaster. Katrina, Sandy, etc... Their generosity saved many lives. For them to be running out of food is just.. well.. stunning to me! |
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BeachMama
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Being LDS, one of the things that has surprised me is the fact that the church’s food storage store website is completely out of stock. As much of a back stock as they keep, it shows just how much of a demand there is for these types of storage products. Going on and seeing everything out, while not unexpected, was still a bit of a “wow” moment for me. It made glad that I picked up a few extra cans of wheat while I still could. |
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EdwinSm,
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This does not affect me personally But the papers (and tv news) here are full of one shortage...the closing of boarders has lead to a shortage of smuggled illicit drugs.....also the prisons are reporting that the inmates are having to deal with withdrawal symptoms. We haven't had problems yet, but our local chemist/pharmacy told us that soon there might be problems with asthma medicine...this comes to us from the UK and now that they are out of the EU and with the problems of closing boarders they thought that supplies will be disrupted. Today we got 3 months supply for my wife [as you see this puts her into one of the risk groups for Corvid-19]. |
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WitchMisspelled
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In re: Toilet paper. |
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pheasant
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Yea the toilet paper thing is real.....this is all that came up in a Walmart toilet paper search: |
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pheasant
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No eggs, meat, or canned meat available(except for a few wierd potted meat things), in the 5 surrounding Wally worlds around me.....apocalyptic. And no canned pasta at ALL...........thankfully, i have enough Chef boyardee pasta to make the boys a can castle |
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Usk
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Missing eggs and regular cheese. The whole can food aisle is empty and mixes and flour is very y low. Norrhern Va |
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Sheep Lady
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Absolutely insane! |
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CRS, DrPH
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I found out where all the missing US masks & PPE have gone!! https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-announces-assistance-to-combat-the-novel-coronavirus/ |
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WitchMisspelled
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Stay Strong ME163! You've done your best which is more than others have done! |
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ME163
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Have gone into full lockdown. But before I did, went to get some hearing aid batteries..... GONE.... ALL of them were gone..... Had to get my Sam's card out and get some from Sam's. it was really wacko. So I got 24 batteries. I go thru them in about |
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WitchMisspelled
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I had to go out today to pick up meds. Stopped off at the market and they had YEAST! It's Fleischmanns which isn't my favorite brand, but hey.. in a pinch if I run out...! |
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WitchMisspelled
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Thanks for the link, Flubergasted! I've saved it to peruse later. I like that they have #2.5 cans. Makes much more sense when buying certain items than a bit #10 can! |
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Flubergasted
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https://rainydayfoods.com/saf-instant-yeast-lb.html Better price on the yeast. |
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cindylouflu
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I've been getting grocery deliveries for fresh items. Inventory is limited. Not worth it anymore, going to ride the pile for awhile. |
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Sheep Lady
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A friend sent me an egg substitution for baking today; it is 1 tbsp cornstarch with 3 tbsp water for each egg. Haven't tried it yet, but sounds like it might work. |
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Sheep Lady
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So awesome you ladies are such accomplished bakers. Thank you for sharing these recipes. I will try them soon; just so happens I have some wheat flour I was going to use for dog treats...haven't opened it yet, so I just repurposed it...can't wait to Syrian bread a try. I love history and was wondering how this bread have been served In the past? Would it have been made by shepherds? I was thinking lamb... |
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Thank you for the links. Once again, we were ahead of the trend again, lol! |
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FluMom
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Try Amazon for Zinc. My brand that I purchased is out but there seem to be others you can purchase. |
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ViQueen24
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Geez, Flubergasted, that's a good price! I'll have to keep that in mind, cuz Amazon has been running out of of yeast more likely than having it lately. Thanks! |
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No Zinc tabs over 5mg to be found anywhere, was suggesting it to a friend. |
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ViQueen24
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Sheep lady, in her day, my mother was the baker, and Grandma was a prodigy! But I'm getting there! Here is the Syrian Bread recipe I use. I do the white flour one have never tried the wheat. If you try them, let me know how it goes! Baking : Two Syrian Flat Bread Recipes By debralynnpugh | November 16, 2015 | From the Kitchen Save I recently made Syrian flat bread on two occasions…on the first, I tried out a recipe with whole wheat and white flours to test it. It was good but I changed it up a bit. On another morning I made another batch of it and a white flour only recipe, again with a few changes. So here’s my variations. Khubz ‘Adi — Ordinary Syrian Flatbread ( WAS MY SOURCE / MY CHANGES ARE IN THE RECIPE ) “…and bread sustains a man’s heart.” — Psalms 104:15 Yield: approximately 8 small rounds 1/2 teaspoon sugar 1 package fast-acting rapid rise yeast dissolved in 3 cups warm water 1 1/2 cups white bread flour 1 ½ cups whole wheat flour 1 ½ teaspoon kosher salt 1) Add sugar to the dissolved yeast mixture, which should be bubbly after standing for about 5 minutes. 2) Mix the white and whole wheat flour and salt in large mixing bowl. Make a well in the center of the flour mixture and slowly pour in the dissolved yeast mixture. Stir to combine, and knead by hand in the bowl for about a minute until the dough is soft and sticky. Turn out onto a flour-dusted work surface and knead gently for about 3 to 5 minutes until the dough is elastic and no longer sticky to the touch. (You can also use dough hook of a mixer to knead the dough.) Place dough into a clean mixing bowl. Cover the dough with a damp towel. Seal the bowl with plastic wrap and let dough rise in a warm place for about a 1 hour or until it doubles in size. 3) After the dough has risen, divide into quarters and work with one quarter at a time, keeping the rest covered. Divide the first half into 4 fist-size balls. On a flour-covered surface, flatten each ball with a rolling pin or by hand until it is 4 to 6 inches in diameter. Place rounds of dough onto ungreased baking sheets, leaving ample space between them. Repeat with the remaining quarters. Cover each baking sheet with a towel and allow to rise for a minimum of 15 minutes. NOTE ** I let mine rise for a good hour or more and then pricked each round with a fork prior to baking. 4) Preheat oven to 525°F. 5) Bake the rounds for 4 to 5 minutes, monitoring the process closely (loaves transition from done to burnt very rapidly). The heat must be even; otherwise, the bread does not puff properly. NOTE ** I baked for about 3 minutes and then turned them over for even browning. 6) Remove loaves and cool on wire racks. Do not stack the loaves while cooling. Serve immediately or wrap tightly and freeze. The above recipe is from Forward.com. While I pasted it here visiting the article Shabbat Meals : Syrian Flatbread Transcends Generations by Poopa Dweck is a wonderful read. She takes you back to her grandmother’s time, when the women were preparing their bread and then taking it to communal outdoor ovens…even if you are not going to bake the bread, it is a nice read, and an excerpt from a book that she wrote. The white breads are baked at a slightly lower temperature but basically I did the same…pulled them out after a few minutes and turned them over for even browning, pricked with a fork prior to baking, etc. I let BOTH breads rise once they had been formed into rounds for a good hour. White Flour Syrian Bread Ingredients : • 1 package yeast dissolved into 1 1/8 cups water • After sitting for five minutes, add 1 /2 teaspoon sugar, and then 2 T oil ( I used virgin olive oil ) • Mix 1 1/2 teaspoons salt and 3 cups flour ( I used bread flour ) into a separate bowl • Make a well and add the yeast mixture. Knead for a wee bit then turn out onto a floured table or board and knead for a few minutes until smooth and elastic. • Let rise in a clean bowl for an hour or two. Punch down and create 8 fist-sized dough balls. Roll them out, cover with a towel and let them rise in a warm place for an hour. Back at 475 degrees for 4-5 minutes, turning as I recommended earlier for even browning. As long as you watch the clock, and don’t let these overbake, and put them into baggies ( or your storage of choice ) as soon as they have cooled a bit, they will be incredibly moist for days on end. Great at room temperature, warmed up or toasted. |
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https://pleasanthillgrain.com/food/baking-ingredients I was also having a hard time finding Whit Lily flour pre-pandemic. I actually like it better than Martha White. Things just come out lighter and fluffier. Yes, the struggle is real. Lots of people going with sourdough. |
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Sheep Lady
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Sounds like you and your mother are very accomplished bakers. Have never tried Syrian bread, will have to look it up and try it. The further north you go, the harder White Lilly and Martha White are to find. I love White Lilly but my very favorite is Martha White. |
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ViQueen24
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My mother is The Bread Monster. I alternate between making Syrian Bread, cornbread and biscuits to keep her fed and happy. Have not been able to find White Lily F!our for love or money. It was hard to find and expensive before the pandemic. |
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Sheep Lady
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I know this is crazy. I think 2 lbs was 24.99 plus shipping. We have discovered one of the weak links in the chain. Yeast has always been available until now. Maybe we should start buying self-rising flour, buttermilk and Crisco instead. You can pretty much eat anything on a southern biscuit, lol. Definitely will try your raisin mix... |
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I beg your pardon, it was $18.75. Criminal, yes. I thought they were cracking down on price gouging at Amazon. But I reckon they have their hands full. I also won't be getting it for a few weeks, so my mother is gonna hafta make that Syrian Bread last! Here's a pic of what I paid last time I ordered it a couple years ago, and the second pic is from last night. |
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WitchMisspelled
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$18.95 for one pound??? That's criminal, ViQueen! |
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I broke down and bought the SAF for $18.49. Is this why they're giving us an extra $600 a week, to afford the price gouging? |
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That's a good recipe when one starts running low on yeast! The raisin sourdough starter seems pretty simple. 1 cup raisins, a couple of teaspoons of sugar and two cups of water to start. Let ferment overnight or until bubbly. Drain out raisins and use 1/2 cup raisin water and 1/2 cup flour, mix in a glass bowl or jar and let ferment on the counter overnight. Do the same process for three days running with the remaining raisin water. Then 1/2 cup is ready to use for bread. Keep sourdough in refrigerator and if you don't make bread one week, feed with the same 1/4 cup water and 1/2 cup flour. |
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Sheep Lady
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Curious about the raisins. You probably have this recipe for Herman, but maybe someone else doesn't. It might be helpful. The down side to this is it takes time for the starter to work and uses things like flour, milk and sugar. But maybe we still have a little time to get a few extra... Sourdough starter for Herman 1 pack of yeast or 1 yeast cake (I use 2-1/4 tsp dry yeast), 1 tsp brown sugar, 2 cups potato water combine in glass dish. Cover and let stand 48 hours. After 48 hours, add 2-1/2 cups flour, 2 cups lukewarm water. Mix well. Let stand 8 hours. Makes 2 cups starter. Divide into two one-cup portions. Give one to a friend or if you have a big family keep two batches going. When you receive it, transfer to large bowl with cover. Add 1/2 cup sugar, 1 cup flour, and 1 cup milk. Stir each day and keep refrigerated. Feed with 1/2 cup sugar, 1 cup flour and 1 cup milk again on fifth day. On 10th day, take out a cup for your next starter batch and give one cup to friend. I feed it about every 10 days to replenish what I take. For biscuits you use 1 cup Herman, 1 cup flour, 3/4 tsp baking soda, 1/4 tsp salt, and 1/3 cup oil. Drop on greased cookie sheet, bake 10-12 minutes. Your house will smell delightful. For coffee cake add 3/4 cup sugar, 1/2 tsp cinnamon and 1 egg. For topping 1/2 tsp cinnamon, 2 tbsp margarine or shortening, 1/2 cup brown sugar, 2 tbsp flour. Pour in greased square pan, bake at 350 30-40 mins. Topping sinks into cake. |
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WitchMisspelled
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I can find flour. It's yeast that's impossible to find. I have a jam jar of yeast in the freezer, but that will run out of this goes on more than a few months. I'm researching how to ferment raisins to use the water to make sourdough starter. I've also heard apple skins being used to make starter. Or I could break down and buy a bag of SAF for double to triple the usual price... |
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44 minutes at 01am |
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How do you tell if a politician is lying?
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I am currently attempting to adjust an online ASDA order. For the past 1/2 hour my screen reads this:
Please wait. Lots of customers are shopping with us right now.
Please do not refresh your browser - you are now in a queue.
We apologise for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience. We will get you shopping as soon as possible. Assuming I don't give up and go to bed. I will let you know how long it takes. |
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hachiban08
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Flour is the main thing I'm noticing. Plenty of sugar. |
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Be prepared! It may be time....^_^v
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I have taken to ordering wheat berries. I'll grind my own if necessary. Hard to find manual grain grinders right now, but I have a grain grinding attachment for my kitchenaid stand mixer. |
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Yeast and flour almost impossible to find. Ordered 2 lbs of yeast online, probably enough to last the rest of my lifetime. |
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