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[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/multiple-b-52-s-and-b1b-s-airborne-toward-russia[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/multiple-b-52-s-and-b1b-s-airborne-toward-russia ;

This morning, the United States Air Force launched FOUR (4) B-52 Stratofortresses in nuclear configuration toward Russia's north and also launched TWO (2) B-1b Lancers in nuclear configuration toward Russia's east.

The four B-52's took off from England.  The two B-1b's took off from Guam.

I don't know who inside the US military thought this was a good idea; it's not.  And it's not even necessary.

This Sabre-rattling is foolish.

Now, if they were doing it toward China, THAT might be a smarter move.  But for some reason, a slew of top officials inside our military have this idea that Russia is some type of threat to us.  They are far less of a threat than China.

DJ-I also take a look-from time to time-on [url]https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/british-troops-perform-largest-parachute-drop-for-decades-to-show-solidarity-with-ukraine.14378/[/url] or https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/british-troops-perform-largest-parachute-drop-for-decades-to-show-solidarity-with-ukraine.14378/  most of the members are from the US and simply do not get how far Russia and China are in "uniting against the US". (By the way; Just like our troops did when Russia attacked Georgia back in 2008.
That was really all about the massive NATO Armada that was sailing to attack Iran. Putin's military was supposed to keep trucking south past Georgia till Bush and Putin yelled at each other like bully's in a school yard while in the bleachers of the Olympics.

Bush said he would stop the Armada if Russia stopped his troops from taking Georgia completely and came up with a good excuse of why his forces attacked. Now everyone was made to believe it was a tie chewing idiots fault for attacking Russian peacekeepers.

Now you know why we haven't kicked the crap out of Iran yet!! DJ-this is new info for me-maybe provides some info on how bad relations already were in 2008-under trump things even did worsen) 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-sanctions-iranian-nuclear-scientists-and-venezuelas-maduro-world-ignores-un-snap[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-sanctions-iranian-nuclear-scientists-and-venezuelas-maduro-world-ignores-un-snap DJ-In MSM "it is a weapon-trade-stop" in fact the US want to stop Iran in ALL trade.

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-close-upgrading-qatar-non-nato-ally-status-deepening-military-ties[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-close-upgrading-qatar-non-nato-ally-status-deepening-military-ties meets reality [url]https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/trumpism-narcissistic-deal-making-middle-east-200915130029169.html[/url] or https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/trumpism-narcissistic-deal-making-middle-east-200915130029169.html 

DJ-Does trump want "peace in the Middle East" yes-under US/Israel conditions. He most likely is willing to get US forces out of the area if it can be replaced with "royal" forces of Arab sheikh/kingdoms (that have nothing to do with democracy but everything with oil). 

Of course the UK Assange show-trial kept out of MSM [url]https://consortiumnews.com/2020/09/20/they-cal-for-assanges-immediate-release-lula-rouseff-zapatero-corbyn-correa-paul-galloway-gravel-varoufakis/[/url] or https://consortiumnews.com/2020/09/20/they-cal-for-assanges-immediate-release-lula-rouseff-zapatero-corbyn-correa-paul-galloway-gravel-varoufakis/ 

-weather, Beta will reach southern US, another storm may develop near Florida. Paulette moving towards north Africa/Portugal to make a U-turn, Teddy going towards Canada...[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 Bizar weather....

-Looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ I can not help asking myself what to think of these numbers...the UK may be moving towards 50.000 new cases per day, NL may see 10.000 new cases per day-in october. In many countries hospital/ICU cases going up-autumn is getting started-outlook is getting worse. 

The "politization of statistics" may be showing in the numbers. If you test less you will find less cases. On this forum-in the news of V483a mutation-we have to find out what that does mean. Testing is a problem in many countries. 

DJ-On the longer term I expect Covid19 may develop towards a "normal" cold virus. It would be nice if such a development is already taking place. Maybe that would explain why-with record numbers of new tested cases-the hospitals are not (yet) on breaking point. In spring we may have had over 1 million Covid19 infections in NL-but since testing capacity was very limited (since NL did not want to work with German labs) most of those never did get tested. 

In NL more than 5000 deaths were in care centers. Staff did infect the people who lived there-family was not allowed to visit "to stop the spread". Staff did not get tested, had no PPE-because "that was needed in the hospitals". In some countries health ministers did loose their job-here in NL he is supposed to get the votes of the christian-democratic party...(in a possible frauded party election). 

[url]https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2020/09/articles/animals/cats/sars-cov-2-in-cats-and-dogs-canada/[/url] or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2020/09/articles/animals/cats/sars-cov-2-in-cats-and-dogs-canada/ Covid19 spread risk via animals is-as far as is known-limited.

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/21/dutch-public-wants-remain-neutral-us-china-start-new-cold-war[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/21/dutch-public-wants-remain-neutral-us-china-start-new-cold-war The political elite is still following the US elite-with eyes closed. [url]https://www.rt.com/russia/501274-lavrov-us-diplomacy-iran-sanctions/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/russia/501274-lavrov-us-diplomacy-iran-sanctions/ Lavrov; US lost talent for diplomacy. [url]https://dutchreview.com/news/dutch-losing-faith-in-us-ties-look-to-france-and-germany/[/url] or https://dutchreview.com/news/dutch-losing-faith-in-us-ties-look-to-france-and-germany/ and [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/dutch-are-shunning-traditional-allies-uk-and-us-for-germany-and-france/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/dutch-are-shunning-traditional-allies-uk-and-us-for-germany-and-france/ 

DJ-We have a few (extreme) right wing parties-one of them (Forum voor Democratie) seem to have had a fund-raising event at the US embassy-with also the US ambassador as a speaker. The Geert Wilders PVV "freedom party" may have strong Israeli links (both parties have trouble keeping neo-nazi's out). 

Tramps and thieves-Cher [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLTETaWswCY[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLTETaWswCY 

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DJ-Peak Prosperity/Chris Martenson doing a Covid19-update [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSsTCjbNPF0[/url]

-US Excess deaths till august=239.461 CM expects the US number to decrease, less caraccidents, people stay at home-maybe an increase in crime, suicides (DJ-I think CM is "very optimistic-both on US and what to expect worldwide-more spread=more chaos=more crime=more deaths)

-UK tested cases increase-"would go for 50.000 new cases-200 deaths per day" CM; both hospital cases and deaths from Covid19 are still very low-increase of cases began in August....false statistics when you only look at positive tested cases-now much more testing than in spring. Due to how testing works a lot of positives may be false-no reason for lockdown. 

-CM-A specificity of 99% would produce 1% false positives-if the outcome of the test itself also would see 1% positive cases-than 50% of the positives would be false (DJ-If I put that correct-in words). 

-CM-If you would correct to total numbers for the amount of testing there is hardly a second wave at all ! (DJ-Is that so ? Would "experts" not see the statistics showing wrong numbers ???)

-CM-To get more realistic numbers redefinition of "case" as a person with symptoms, (DJ-In spring only hospitalized cases did see testing), PCR testing could pick up old virus parts-not a good test. False negatives can happen when virus parts have already left the body-but you are ill from the (by time of testing) gone virus. "Cured" is unclear-people may get reinfected-Infective should be the focuspoint-that is how Covid spread. 

-CM In the UK a "case"has become someone who tested positive (DJ-Is that not all around the globe ???)

-Mortality increases exponentially with age. DJ-Is CM suggesting "locking up the old and vulnarable ?"

-Dr. Fauci now advises vitamin D and C (CM-Why waited that long-could have saved many lives) 

-Why no large studies for Ivermectin-it seems to be both working and cheap ? 

-CM-Of course the UK government knows the "incorrect statistics, Vitamin D, C, Ivermectin works-why not use them ? Two choices or ignorant or corrupt.  Since those in power are not stupid-what is the agenda ???? Governments spread fear based on false statistics, witholding effective treatments....worse times on their way ...

DJ-I do not know what to think of this PP/CM story-the UK case definition as someone that tested positive for the Covid19/SARS-2 virus is-as far as I know-the worldwide definition. Here in NL still a lot of people with mild Covid19-complaints can not get tested, if you do not have a healthissue you will not be tested. What is different from spring is that now a lot of young people test positive-have mild disease-do most of the time not end up dead or in ICU. 

Also here in NL a lot of government/healt "experts" actions run behind the facts, work out wrong. (In july all people even with very light complaints should get tested-now there is shortage of lab capacity (German, UAE labs have to help-finally) and politics claim to many people seek a test...At ICU in Dutch hospitals a lot of the staff is already at breaking point, there is a shortage of flu vaccines, PPE at some places...) 

DJ-My impression is that there may be some false positives and negatives, PCR testing is far from perfect-but hospital cases and Covid-deaths show an increase-eventhough not yet exploding-mainly due to another-much younger-age group being infected. 

PP/CM leaves me a bit puzzled...

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[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/the-end-of-the-rules-based-international-order.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/the-end-of-the-rules-based-international-order.html 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/visualizing-state-democracy-country[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/visualizing-state-democracy-country US not scoring very good under trump ? 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-pledges-military-sales-iran-moment-un-arms-embargo-expires-next-month[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-pledges-military-sales-iran-moment-un-arms-embargo-expires-next-month 

DJ-"The world is dumping the US$"-with that it is the end of the economic US domination over the globe. trump is falling back on "military means" ? 

I (DJ) agree with CM we are moving towards "hard times". But I think that has to do with the US sinking into (election related) chaos. The action of the US ambassador in NL -inviting a party for fundraising in the US embassy-wich was followed with a PR campain of a person related to that party running a group "Virus truth" is "strange". (reminds me of [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP/AO[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP/AO -does the former US "tea-party" have a global "extreme conservative" network financed by some very rich people ?) 

I try to find out if [url]https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/#breaking-news.5[/url] or https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/#breaking-news.5 have any news-NAto did  not yet follow the NAzi's or NApoleon east-"bringing democracy to Belarus". The US did not yet put "boots on the ground" in Taiwan. Israel did not go attack nuclear sites in Iran. 

I hope it stays that way....

Dutch rock-Super Sister-Dona Nobis Pacem [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBSlWOgokKM[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBSlWOgokKM from 1970....



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Vitamin C is a new one on me.  But I've been reading/hearing about the benefits of D almost since the beginning.  

As an aside, don't rely on sunshine to get your vitamin D if you're over 60.  My out-doors loving brother was very surprised to learn his D was low even spending hours a day in the sun daily.  

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Vitamin C taken to bowel tolerance levels can do amazing things against viruses, but you have to take it to bowel tolerance, and you have to be consistent about it.

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Yep.  You need to take Zinc with it too, one is the gun, the other the bullets - useless individually.  (Vitamin D is the general, directing whom to fire at.)

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DJ-You can not make compromises with a virus, Covid19 "does not do deals"...

The world is moving "on the dark side of the moon" , lost in how to react on Covid19. [url]https://innovationorigins.com/europe-braces-itself-for-a-corona-autumn/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/europe-braces-itself-for-a-corona-autumn/ A lot of European countries are on the way to a second lockdown. 

China did export her "treatment plan"to Serbia. Serbia has very limited covid-cases. Finland, Baltic states did close their border in time-most likely in government communications there is public trust. Also Germany-in most places-Covid19 seems to be "limited" so far. 

In [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds#Plot[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds#Plot ;

To his surprise, he discovers that all the Martians have been killed by an onslaught of earthly pathogens, to which they had no immunity: "slain, after all man's devices had failed, by the humblest things that God, in his wisdom, has put upon this earth".[10]

DJ-I do not think Covid19 "may kill us"-our inability to deal with the virus may do so...

Dr. John Campbell in an episode last week did say "better a bad government then no government at all" referring to anarchy in failed states. It is good the nazi-regime did loose its control in some parts of occupied Europe at the end of the war. Bad governments keep bad things going and stand in the way of working solutions...

Is trump [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/president-leaves-press-conference-for-emergency-call[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/president-leaves-press-conference-for-emergency-call organizing "a strong presidency" just before the nov-3 US elections ? 

Western secret services organizing Belarus unrest, poisening of Navalny in Russia did not stop German-Russian "North stream" . [url]https://southfront.org/us-declares-it-is-forming-a-coalition-to-block-nord-stream-2/[/url] or https://southfront.org/us-declares-it-is-forming-a-coalition-to-block-nord-stream-2/  (DJ-remember the "moderate IS-related rebels" in Syria claiming Assad did gas them-while evidence showed the gas used came from Libya-via Turkey-to the "rebels" -western private companies called "media/press" went along with the IS claim.)

"Make America Great Again" was stopped by Covid19-who to blame ? China, Iran ? Russia ? Germany ? In the US further increase of (organized ? [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/rioters-mobilizing-nationwide-say-u-s-a-burns-tonight[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/rioters-mobilizing-nationwide-say-u-s-a-burns-tonight ) "social unrest"  (trump as "law & order" actor/president ?). With Covid-cases going up in many US states....

Yesterday PP/CM  claimed ICU/deaths were not increasing-"positive testing cases" most being false...I think-with all respect-Chris Martenson is-just like his XYZ-herd immunity-idea-wrong. In many countries it did take more time than during spring-then testing often was done in hospitals-most earlier cases-missed, but ICU and deaths are going up....hospital staff is at breaking point. They first had to deal with the Covid-crises, other care was delayed-in the summer had to do overtime to deal with only a limited number of other illnesses/patients that did not seek care during spring. And now the second wave is knocking at the door....

Yes it is good news a "Dutch" (Leiden Janssen Pharma=Johnsen & Johnsen [url]https://www.janssen.com/[/url] or https://www.janssen.com/ ) vaccine seems to be effective-may be on the market in 2021, it is good treatments did improve, vitamin D, C+zinc offers some protection, a lot of people do take social distance...but maybe that is no longer the main problem...

Just like in climate change Earth is "moving out"of a climate that offers conditions for life, this pandemic may bring that much social unrest societies are getting "on the brink of collapse" . Here in NL "making deals with Covid19" "to save the economy" has resulted in close to a government/political crisis. This is not only the case in NL-in some other countries the situation-with less government support for the "new poor" (the old poor did not have any political support-at best "paid to keep silent") can cause "serious problems" (with "serious government action" to control it). 

Of course what makes matters much worse this Covid19 crises comes on top of many other crises-in healthcare, housing, climate, the economy....(DJ-I blame neo-liberalism-we need a government working for public interests being in control over companies going for private interests-the balance is gone...Oxfam came with [url]https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/carbon-emissions-richest-1-percent-more-double-emissions-poorest-half-humanity[/url] or https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/carbon-emissions-richest-1-percent-more-double-emissions-poorest-half-humanity "tax the rich" !!!!!!!! Politics should control the rich-not be under their control !!!! To put it very confronting "the rich are killing the poor"-we must get more economic balance !)

The report assesses the consumption emissions of different income groups between 1990 and 2015 – 25 years when humanity doubled the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. It found:   

  • The richest 10 percent accounted for over half (52 percent) of the emissions added to the atmosphere between 1990 and 2015. The richest one percent were responsible for 15 percent of emissions during this time – more than all the citizens of the EU and more than twice that of the poorest half of humanity (7 percent).
     
  • During this time, the richest 10 percent blew one third of our remaining global 1.5C carbon budget, compared to just 4 percent for the poorest half of the population. The carbon budget is the amount of carbon dioxide that can be added to the atmosphere without causing global temperatures to rise above 1.5C – the goal set by governments in the Paris Agreement to avoid the very worst impacts of uncontrolled climate change.
     
  • Annual emissions grew by 60 percent between 1990 and 2015. The richest 5 percent were responsible for over a third (37 percent) of this growth. The total increase in emissions of the richest one percent was three times more than that of the poorest 50 percent.


Tim Gore, Head of Climate Policy at Oxfam and author of the report said: “The over-consumption of a wealthy minority is fuelling the climate crisis yet it is poor communities and young people who are paying the price. Such extreme carbon inequality is a direct consequence of our governments decades long pursuit of grossly unequal and carbon intensive economic growth.

David Bowie-Is There Life On Mars [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKcl4-tcuo[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKcl4-tcuo 




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-I do not think Covid19 "may kill us"-our inability to deal with the virus may do so...


This!  In the case of the US, by failing to be proactive; by failing to pull together an organized, integrated response at the federal level, that could then be implemented at the state and local level; by failing to listen to scientists, and interfering with them and diluting/disputing their messages at virtually every turn; sending mixed messages, i.e., saying masks are unnecessary, then saying wearing them is patriotic, then making fun of others for wearing them.  I'm sure many of you could add to this list.

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ViQueen24, the inability, incompetence to deal with this pandemic in many rich developed states by very well educated smart people is shocking. One of the few conclusions of PP/CM I agree with from his last episode-is it ignorance or corruption-why do experts/governments fail this much ? 

I follow a "data-journalist" on twitter-for NL his conclusion is "we do it wrong, study it, to do it wrong the next time again". Of course if you think the US situation is bad, the Dutch situation in some ways is even worse-no masks (you may get kicked out of a shop, gym etc. if you wear a mask-"If you are ill you stay at home" -that the mask is a preventative step is beyond most...

Here in NL we may be going full speed for a second lockdown with all alarms going of-for hospital admissions, ICU, new tested cases, deaths-our government is "good" for extreme "swings"; first as good as no rules-and when things get totally out of control-they may go for extremes-in a matter of hours-to the other side. Public support is dropping...

Peak Prosperity/Chris Martenson on how much damage a second lock down will do. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhqQd1frpDs[/url]

-UK health secretary on SkyNews-DJ-I think PP/CM has a point in 1% false positives with massive testing is a problem. (If you test 1 million people 1%=10.000 people being told to self-isolate etc. for "false positive testing". Finland Covid19-dogs score better..) In the interview also the mix of false PCR testing with a (far from perfect) "app" - increasing things going wrong...

-In the UK a "positive" test means you did have virus particles in your swab enough to be detected in the PCR-"copying proces". It does not mean it is an active infection, or you are spreading the virus. If you test positive -you yourself have to isolate for 10 days, your "household"has to isolate for two weeks..., and if you are using the "app" you have to alarm all you have been in contact with as well. DJ-PP/CM is asking a good question-is there not a second-more accurate test ? (DJ-Is there ? Rapid testing gives even more false positives-how many 100% correct tests are there ?) Also why does your "social bubble" have to self-isolate for two weeks-and the one who tested positive just ten days ...? 

-PP/CM is WRONG !!!! in claiming there is no second wave !!!!! Here in NL they are already spreading ICU-cases over all hospitals to deal with the coming increase. PP/CM defenition of "a case" only as one with symptoms is dangerous ! (I do not know why PP/CM is spreading this non-sense-he is knowing a lot of spread goes via a/pre-symptomatic cases.)

-PP/CM has a point in stating in spring most tests were taken from hospitalized cases-those people were very ill. Now most tests are done in a population that is not that ill-yet. But PP/CM is wrong in his "belief" most of the testing is done in people with no symptoms. (DJ-Here in NL even with symptoms it is hard to get tested...contact tracing is in chaos. The statistics may indicate results from a few days-up to a week-old ! )

-You can look at number of deaths in a pandemic for calling it a first, second wave-but that is not a rule-but a choice. Comparing the Spanish Flu of 1918 (1917-1923 may be more correct-DJ-a pandemic often takes years !) has "limited use"-due to the data being far from complete, describing a society that is much different than the one in 2020 and had to do with a flu-virus-not a corona-virus ! (DJ-It may be good to realize-at the peak of the Spanish Flu 25.000 deaths per million, now-so far-the peak seems to be 400 per million.)

-In describing the balancing act PP/CM in a short sentence mentions "in the US losing your job=losing your health insurance wich can be a death sentence" should that not be a major first step ? Get public health for all in the US ? Tax the rich-if not taxing them means the poor die ? 

PP/CM has a point in keep the economy going to keep healthcare going. But you have to keep-in my opinion (DJ) the LOW RISK part of the economy going. And yes-that can mean the end for most (air)travel and some other high risk parts of the economy-but you have to govern, make decisions. A government should be able to direct workers to switch from hospitality to hospital work...is that such a strange idea ? (For the US "am I a "soc...ist" in claiming governments are there to govern ? Not to only collect tax from the poor to make the rich even more rich ?) 

DJ-I am not a fan of China-I like my freedom of speech etc. But the Chinese government-even if the statistics are not 100% correct-seems to be able to act. Also some other countries do well-keeping borders closed, having strict rules to get a grip on the pandemic.

-DJ-I think it is wrong if police arrest people for sitting in a park unless they refuse to leave when police asks them to do so. CM "paints a picture" that may not describe all of the story. NAC-CM used as supplement does not work-according to a study. Also blood group is not a factor in catching Covid19. 

-PP/CM comes up with age as the main factor in outcome of Covid19-"lock up the over 60 age group" PP ? 

-PP/CM "60% of business closures permanent" DJ-so what ? So you need to secure the people that did loose their job find another source of income. With healthcare a lot of them are needed there right now ! As a country you need an income-but maybe for now-as a country that income could be taxing the rich that paid for your politicians...unless politicians do not work for the country but only serve the rich !

We NEED a "new normal" because the "old normal" did bring us in these crises ! With 26 million US workers out of work you need good plans, good government, to organize new jobs, a new-better-economy !

PP/CM conclusion; "if there is a second wave" we have good treatments (HCQ, Ivermectin, vitamin, D, C+zinc etc) "most of the deaths in the first wave were in the "vulnerable" group" . "Saving the economy should be a priority" . 

DJ-We are in a second wave, the only way to slow down is NPI wich may include certain restrictions on (air)travel, restaurants etc. There is no need to shut down all of the economy-but high risk part of the economy should stop-if there is money to pay for people that ran out of work then there is money to give those people another (part time) job ! (From extra help in care, to delivery of groceries, helping in e-teaching etc.)

It looks like the summer is over-Dusty Springfield [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbT2hmtT2ME[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbT2hmtT2ME 

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Dr. John Campbell, DJ-The US strategy seems to be to stop Covid19 by vaccinating all in the US (?) by the end of july 2021. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ5SUsDSxpY[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ5SUsDSxpY Without a vaccine-so far only 10% of the US population has a form of immunity-is the idea. 

With over 200.000 deaths in the US and "90 % of the population at risk" without a vaccine the US could face 2 million Covid deaths ? 

Dr. J.C. starts his video with causes of deaths in 2017. With-so far-1 million Covid19 deaths that puts Covid19 at place 14 of the causes of deaths. Why so much action here and not on other-more massive-killers often easy to treat. Like diarrhea, the health effects of bad air, smoking. 

DJ-If you would translate the US numbers to a global perspective-with now 1 million+ Covid deaths-if 90% of the global population is still at risk-how to prevent (over) 10 million Covid19 deaths as a result ? An Indian expert claimed vaccinating all of the global population (DJ-If possible) will take till 2024. 

Dr.J.C. also notices the differences in US statistics (DJ-partly due to including-or not-Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Guam, Samoa etc.) 

-UK contact app now active, other app does collect data-you can fill in info on your health. (DJ-May be a good idea) In Universities widespread infections-some of the students going home over the weekend (infecting others). Also in London increase of cases. (DJ-Herd immunity-if there is such-may offer limited protection. Spread most in younger age group. We have to wait and see if severe, hospital cases, deaths go up in younger age group as well.) 

-Number of people dying with not from Covid19 in UK is going up in (bad ?) statistics. Dr.J.C. good news is CFR going down (DJ-bad news is the data to get some perspective on the pandemic is sometimes incorrect.)

-In Africa do parasites, worms offer (a form of) protection against Covid19 (immune (over) reaction) ? Also a younger population, vitamin D may explain the low impact in Africa (?) Most of malaria, bilharzia (90%) are in Africa-South America has much less of these kind of diseases. Dr.J.C. has doubts on the study-parasite immunity does not last long outside Africa. Big Pharma does not get profit out of these kind of studies-but more study needed.

[url]https://www.rt.com/news/501636-kim-apologizes-south-korea-shooting/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/news/501636-kim-apologizes-south-korea-shooting/ DJ-Covid19 "control" the NK way...

DJ Weather, [url]https://www.meteoalarm.eu/[/url] or https://www.meteoalarm.eu/ We may get storm "Odette"in the BeNeLux, Italy seems to be getting bad weather as well.

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[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/lying-with-headlines.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/lying-with-headlines.html DJ-"Embedded media" spreading "news for profit" (they are private companies !) providing "paid (by who ?) info" as facts. 

[url]https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1202040.shtml[/url] or https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1202040.shtml and [url]https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/chinese-state-media-says-a-war-will-start-if-the-us-puts-troops-in-taiwan.14388/[/url] or https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/chinese-state-media-says-a-war-will-start-if-the-us-puts-troops-in-taiwan.14388/ 

DJ-Major war is still "around the corner" with the US being the main problem. 

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In NL Covid-cases seem to double every week. With 125 ICU cases this week we will be at 500 in 2 weeks-a 1000 in 3 weeks and be at maximum capacity in one month. Since our "government" does not seem to have any plan at all-besides warning the public-for now that doubling seems to be the most realistic scenario. 

Time to compare [url]https://covid19.healthdata.org/netherlands?view=total-deaths&tab=trend[/url] or https://covid19.healthdata.org/netherlands?view=total-deaths&tab=trend with [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (by the way showing a new daily record in new cases getting close to 320.000 in just one day-for friday september 25-PP/CM is WRONG in claiming one should only count people with symptoms-first still a lot of a-or pre-symptomatic spread around 40%, second all the time a case was defined as "testing positive on a test" -one should not change the rules during the pandemic. PP/CM seems to want to obscure the story by claiming SARS2 and Covid are two different things, go for (bizar) case defenition-maybe because his XYZ theory is wrong-herd immunity at best is a very limited factor. )

Healthdata projected for 1255 new cases for NL on friday 25 sept. Real number is 2777. [url]https://covid19.healthdata.org/netherlands?view=total-deaths&tab=trend[/url] ot https://covid19.healthdata.org/netherlands?view=total-deaths&tab=trend is expecting in between 7000 and 70.000 deaths for january 1. 

The global data [url]https://covid19.healthdata.org/global?view=total-deaths&tab=trend[/url] or https://covid19.healthdata.org/global?view=total-deaths&tab=trend would be between 1,8 and 5 million deaths by january 1. 

The WHO warning for possibly 2 million Covid deaths by the end of this year-in my view-may be optimistic. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/breakthrough-research-severe-covid-19-infections-opens-door-new-treatment[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/breakthrough-research-severe-covid-19-infections-opens-door-new-treatment Interferon looks promissing...

DJ-Even if Russian and Chinese vaccines would do a good job they-on the short term-till january 1-at best would have a limited effect. First-vaccine production/vaccination could reach millions before the end of the year-not (yet) billions. Second-most western countries are not very likely to go for Russian/Chinese vaccines. In western propaganda the danger of those vaccines will remain the main topic not if they work...(let alone that we are in a global emergency not a "normal production start up of new medication". DJ-Maybe like in a wildfire China/Russia pushing down trees with everythingh they have, the western approach is finding water.)

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/global-covid-19-infections-top-32-million-after-record-daily-jump-live-updates[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/global-covid-19-infections-top-32-million-after-record-daily-jump-live-updates 

DJ-The problem with projections of a virus outbreak is you "have to project human stupidity". Cruiselines will go bankrupt-if there are no new cruises...WRONG !!! We need them as hospitalships-why are governments not doing that ? Maybe government could even rent planes with tax money to make them hospital-like....

Here in NL bussiness owners now call for following strict rules-to avoid a new lockdown-I wish they would have done so two months ago. Slowly more EU borders are closing again-it is all a repeat of what we did see in spring. 

The writer of this article [url]https://innovationorigins.com/europe-braces-itself-for-a-corona-autumn/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/europe-braces-itself-for-a-corona-autumn/ just like me (DJ) are getting pretty frustrated because so many people did see this "second wave"coming a few months ago-why there was so little action to stop it ? 

As PP/CM asks-Ignorance or corruption ? One of the comments was "Ignorruption should be a word" -proberbly a mix of stupidity and greed. 

The only way governments can regain some trust is by being honest-but they most likely do not know that word. So it will become "a hard fight" to get NPI to become effective. (Here in NL some are even calling for face masks-shocking-our CDC-RIVM-still considers them as a health risk, our politicians see them as anti-constitutional.)

For the US november 3 presidential election-it will get postponed ? Since even voting by mail is a problem for some...will trump step down if he does not get reelected ? Where and how does trump want to start his war ? If he needs an easy victory and only fools see his "peace campain" with Arab IS sponsors making peace with Israel (if Israel helps in the Yemen genocide/war) as "positive". 

DJ-I guess we will see the US attack Iran by air and sea-not a ground invasion-to "bomb Iran into the stone age" before november 3. Unless "the rest of the world" (=Russia, China, EU most of the Arab world, Turkey, Africa) stop another US act of agression. 

Starting a major war in the middle of a pandemic causing tens of millions extra refugees would be "very unwise" but-sorry to say-could be very likely...in the next month. 

Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxL5IOyto4M[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxL5IOyto4M 

-Contact tracing in the UK (that part of containment already broke down in NL-If you test positive overhere YOU have to warn your contacts, the "app" still not active) only half of UK population knows Covid19 symptoms. Even a lot of health care workers do not self quarantine...

-Finland Covid-dogs is very good welcome news-may be better then PCR testing-and much faster-can detect Covid19 in humans. Can detect Covid19 FIVE DAYS before first symptoms !!!! Why not use dogs (and rats) more often if they are that effective ? 

-Dr.J.C. starts with a video of a very overcrowded train in Mumbai, ends with monkees steeling goods in a hospital with Covidpatients in India (DJ-Can monkees get Covid19 ?) DJ, Of course those pictures indicate the worst part of this pandemic is still to come...

Music; Carpenters-Top of the World (let's get cynical) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDPMmaHWj1I[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDPMmaHWj1I  

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"Ignoruption", I like that.  I'm gonna steal that word.

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ViQueen24-No you can not steal "Ignoruption" I did steal it-you may buy it from me...(showing more or less the meaning of "Ignoruption"   )

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-Looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ we will reach the 1 million death from Covid19 today. Yesterday NL had 38 deaths-21 of them were "corrections in administration"-indicating the numbers are only something of a shadow of reality. Also in NL news-over a 100 tests went missing on their way to Germany labs. So the people tested will have to do another test, wait longer...(most likely this is happening all over the planet-here it gets in the news..)

-[url]https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-third-of-tests-in-england-not-linked-to-new-nhs-app-developers-suggest-12082178[/url] or https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-third-of-tests-in-england-not-linked-to-new-nhs-app-developers-suggest-12082178 apps have technical limitations. There is also a risk of warning the wrong people to self isolate. DJ-In my opinion there is no room for "apps". What we need is a two/three week almost 100% lockdown-groceries being delivered-slow reopening after that. The economy in part will go on "from home". The China approach is working, "saving the economy" is destroying the economy and genocide.

-[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54267837[/url] or https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54267837 In the UK "BoJo" believes he "can make a deal with the virus"-sorry-virusses don't do deals ! With statistics far worse than in the UK "our government" is "going for very strict rules"; pubs have to close at midnight and some groups may be not out of 100 persons but 50-of course the virus keeps spreading-we are "leading in Europe" in a wrong way. With a minimum in testing-over 10.000 people PER DAY can not get tested, no face masks, (except in public transport-but if it does not cover your mouth/nose-just for show-you get away with it.) "Our government "is "waiting for advice" from the "Outbreak Management Team"-with alarming numbers the rules may get stricter somewere next week, in some places, maybe...

-[url]https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/26/anti-lockdown-protesters-shout-take-off-the-mask-at-huge-london-march-13329997/[/url] or https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/26/anti-lockdown-protesters-shout-take-off-the-mask-at-huge-london-march-13329997/ Here in NL "anti corona activists"have been harassing people waiting for Covid-testing, intimidating staff from care centers in Covid-lockdown. On the one side our government does expect football supporters not to cheer in the stadium-and take 1,5 meter distance-absurd. On the other side we have "corona-hooligans" getting out of control as well...again we-here in NL-will not be the only ones facing this insanity...

-[url]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus[/url] or https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus more or less explaining how to get data on Covid19 and what the data means..good info.

-[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-research-explains-why-children-are-far-less-vulnerable-covid-19-adults[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-research-explains-why-children-are-far-less-vulnerable-covid-19-adults DJ-Maybe children have a "more fitting"immunity-but that system may overreact if confronted with to many virusses-causing Kawasaki disease. 

Dr. John Campbell with a WHO update [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp8MPwgX-u8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp8MPwgX-u8 two million Covid deaths may be a low number, stop massive spreading events (like sportevents, protests etc) care for all. DJ-You have to look further than just the medical story if you want to understand how a pandemic works. A lot of it has to do with communication, putting restrictions, governing...

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-DJ-Since Obama did get a nobel-peaceprice trump does want one as well. That is one reason for the "middle east peace offensive".

-The other reasons is Israel joining a few Arab "royal dictators"and IS sponsors in their genocide in Yemen if they-in return-join Israel in the coming war with Iran. From a US "press"perspective [url]https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/could-war-with-iran-be-an-october-surprise.html[/url] or https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/could-war-with-iran-be-an-october-surprise.html -DJ NO-Israel and the US are starting wars-Iran is in self defence ! 

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/covert-intel-u-s-re-deploying-150-f-22-f-35-to-alaska[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/covert-intel-u-s-re-deploying-150-f-22-f-35-to-alaska Again it is not Russia and China invading the US-it is the US attacking Russia and China ! With proxies like IS and alquaeda, in Syria, Iraq, but also in supporting "protests" in Hong Kong and with Chinese Muslims. In the US-India-Japan anti China coalition. 

Why will there be a war with Iran coming month ? [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-preparing-military-response-wave-iranian-backed-attacks-its-forces-iraq[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-preparing-military-response-wave-iranian-backed-attacks-its-forces-iraq 

[url]https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/09/26/635034/Venezuela-Nicolas-Maduro-cooperation-Russia-China-Iran-armament-systems[/url] or https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/09/26/635034/Venezuela-Nicolas-Maduro-cooperation-Russia-China-Iran-armament-systems 

DJ-Iran is the axis for China moving west, Russia moving south and connecting Asia with Latin America. If you "take out"Iran you stop the New Silk Road, stop "Russian agression" so the US can go on stealing oil from the middle east. For the US destroying Iran is the fastest way to "make america great again". 

With planes and ships from "peacefull Arab kingdoms" and Israel the US plan will be bombing Iran to pieces. A fast victory so trump hopes to get reelected-if not in november then in march 2021...or he just stays in power...

Covid19 is out of control in Israel, will get out of control in the US-what better time to start another major-"short" war !

DJ [url]https://southfront.org/the-saker-the-world-has-gone-absolutely-insane/[/url] or https://southfront.org/the-saker-the-world-has-gone-absolutely-insane/  (DJ-I may not agree with some of the words, but the story gives a picture of where we are-and it is not good.)

The Iran-war plan may have been around for many years-one can only hope it will not go into action because it is insane. Yet plans being insane did not stop middle east endless wars so far. As an extra for the US it has put Europe with millions of refugees, maga over death bodies...

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This thief ignorrupts to say, No!  

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Good article [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/in-which-we-debunk-a-coividiots-pamphlet.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/in-which-we-debunk-a-coividiots-pamphlet.html 

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[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/tehran-accuses-trump-of-being-bigger-threat-to-iran-than-saddam-hussein/[/url] or https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/tehran-accuses-trump-of-being-bigger-threat-to-iran-than-saddam-hussein/ 

The US itself will stay as much as possible out of the land-war. The US idea most likely will be to use its air force and navy in a first strike destroying most of Iran's defenses. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/will-military-coup-undo-november-elections-donald-trump-republic-itself[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/political/will-military-coup-undo-november-elections-donald-trump-republic-itself DJ-I have my doubts on trump's position in this. Netanyahu wants the US to "deal with Iran". If the US does not act the way "some middle east states" want the US to act they will push the US into the war. 

Netanyahu tried to used Covid restrictions in Israel to stop protests against him [url]https://www.debka.com/israel-enters-full-16-day-lockdown-on-friday/[/url] or https://www.debka.com/israel-enters-full-16-day-lockdown-on-friday/ . He must realize his position is getting impossible. 

In the past there were several well written studies on "how to start a war with Iran" etc. Tulsi Gabbard /Fox news [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3slX5p3YAs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3slX5p3YAs  Tulsi Gabbard seems to be the only US politician with enough brain to warn against this next insane war. 

The most likely scenario is a provocation of Iran by one of the Gulf States providing an excuse for a first reaction. With [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident in mind most likely the plan does not need any Iran action at all. With most western media being "embedded" the biggest problem would be how to keep Russia and China out of the conflict-the most likely scenario then would ask for a fast escalation. 

Israel would attack "nuclear sites" in Iran, Arab nations "defend" tankers "against Iran agression" -and the US coming to "aid and defend freedom" against "terror" with the biggest sponsors of IS (a CIA-proxy) as allies. 


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Here ya, go, Josh, will this cover it, lol:

But good on all the Carpenters music!  Ah, memories!

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Thanks ViQueen24-i see if my printer can print it out....

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-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ We did cross the 1 million Covid deaths-in just 9 months. With still 95 days to count in this year we may reach 1,5 million-in statistics. 

Somehow the focus is going to "saving the economy" all the time-forgetting that the best way to help the economy is getting rid of the virus. "Compromises" do not work-virusses do not make deals-politicians do...

I follow Jelmer Visser on his Dutch twitter site [url]https://twitter.com/DieTukkerfries[/url] or https://twitter.com/DieTukkerfries one of the things going wrong is believing young people do not spread the virus-they do-and often even more than adults. It is correct most of the spread is in the same age group but enough of it goes outside that group to do a lot of damage. Teachers, parents etc. now face the outcome-up to 50% of new Dutch Covidcases may be related to the education sector. The warning for this first was made in Germany half a year ago....

Italy just reopened their schools-most countries did do so a month ago and are now confronted with a new explosion of cases. Countries that are good at testing, tracing and kept their borders closed are doing much better. In Europe Finland, Baltic States are doing good, also Germany and Italy-so far-quite well. I did expect "problems" for my country and we may be underway to become the new hotspot.

Our government keeps repeating to "wash your hands and keep 1,5 meter distance" but there are no real sanctions. The only way to stop the spread here would be a lockdown-but government may decide all the Dutch pubs have to close at midnight, maximum of 50 persons in a group in stead of 100...running behind the facts and not deciding anything. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/covid-19-deaths-just-below-1-million-outbreaks-europe-us-accelerate-live-updates[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/covid-19-deaths-just-below-1-million-outbreaks-europe-us-accelerate-live-updates

DJ-The best find so far in this pandemic are sniffer dogs-able to detect even minimum virus infections.  Training those dogs, rats etc may take a few weeks, up to a month-for some basics-and you may have "rapid testing". 

-A virologist in Russia participating in the Sputnik-5 trial-getting two vaccines with a three week time gap-is hoping it will provide half a year of protection. 

WAR

As always I hope I am wrong. I hope there is no plan to start a major war against Iran (and indirect to stop Russia, China).  

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/heavy-clashes-involving-uavs-tanks-air-and-artillery-ongoing-between-armenia-and-azerbaijan[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/heavy-clashes-involving-uavs-tanks-air-and-artillery-ongoing-between-armenia-and-azerbaijan Armenia did recruit Kurdish fighters from Syria, Turkish supported Azerbeijan is getting "moderate IS fighters" etc. This conflict is North-West of Iran. Azerbeijan is on the Caspian Sea-Baku a main oil region for over a 100 years. 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AccjEv2eVe0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AccjEv2eVe0 or [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjBegUNafxg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjBegUNafxg are some scenario's for a major Iran war. 

The US is blaming resistance in Iraq against US forces, Houthi's fighting to keep Yemen out of KSA control on Iran. Both wars where not started by Iran (but by the US, UK, Gulf States as so many other wars). Wars and pandemics always where a "great combination" for disaster....

With the pandemic out of control both Netanyahu and trump blame China-if they can-not their own faillures. Starting a war would be a "welcome distraction" and also offer a chance to show the world their new "super weapons"...

Music-Carpenters, [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cR5-LTs3_g[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cR5-LTs3_g This Masquerade

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Not to mention Trump probably thinks if he starts a war, voters won't change horses midstream, and he'll be re-elected.  I think he's desperate enough to try just about anything.

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ViQueen24-I think trump wants to leave a legacy-under his presidency the US-Israel ties became even more unhealthy. I believe under Obama Israels defense system became integrated with that of NATO. The US opened a military base in Israel. Netanyahu used that "US overprotection" to make lots of visits to Putin, have talks with China over the use of Israeli ports...

DJ-WAR

I have to admit that I do not get that much of the Middle East North Africa logics behind developments the last 20 years. 

-Iran is not an agressive country, did suffer a lot of the 1980-88 war with Iraq. The biggest problem was Iran had a lot of oil "others" wanted to control. (Both "the east and the west" , now China). At present Iran's location seems to be a major factor-linking Russia with the Indian Ocean and China with "the west". 

-That "west"did support/start-with some Arab sheik-doms far less democratic than Iran, much worse in human rights-but oil rich-alquaeida extremism in Afghanistan/Pakistan to create chaos already back in the 70's. The Afghanistan pro-Soviet Union government ended in crisis-in 1979 the Soviet Union invaded. The US plan was to create a "Viet Nam" for the Soviet Union. 

That plan worked-in 1986 Chernobyl (in the Northern Ukraine) exploded-Reagan started "Star Wars" and in 1989 the Soviet Union pulled back from Afghanistan-in 1991 the Soviet Union was history...

-Repeating the "uprising/rebellion"trick (also succesfull in the Eastern Block before 1989) to get control over Syria and Iraq Islamic State was created from around 2010. (For those with more knowledge-IS is a Red Khmer with a Quran-no economic views, ideological blind fanatism, very unhealthy world view). For the US first IS was used to get both Syria and Iraq under control-IS also showed up in other regions-since that did not work the US/NATO claimed to be fighting IS to have an excuse to stay in the Middle East and North Africa. Create your own enimy as an excuse....even some Israel intel where not happy with it. There was a sort of peace on the Syria/Israel border IS would disturb events....

-At present US forces in Syria and Iraq, Afghanistan are in an impossible position. The US wants to believe having some forces there may give some control. Even most NATO members find the endless wars useless and expensive-causing millions of refugees (for the people in the region the western endless wars are hell. The Yemen war is genocide).

To stop Russia-Iran-China gaining more power the US, Israel and the family Saud-claiming to own Saudi Arabia started working together. One of the outcomes seems to be the "peace offensive". Israel making peace with UAE, Bahrain maybe Sudan, and other Arab dictatorships. Most likely part of the deal is a lot of US$ (for Sudan) and US/Israeli (further) help in the Yemen genocide. 

In return those Arab families/"states" will help Israel and the US/NATO against Iran. Since Obama did get (undeserved) a nobel peace price trump wants also that price. But basicly he has been making a war-plan NOT a peace-plan. 

-Then comes [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/warfare-intensifies-between-armenia-azerbaijan-other-nations-jumping-in[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/warfare-intensifies-between-armenia-azerbaijan-other-nations-jumping-in DJ-After the confusion in Libya with Russia, Egypt, France-and more or less the US backing Haftar (with a US background) fighting a Turkish backed "government" defending a Turkish-Libyan oil deal on the eastern Mediterranean another conflict is needed to "fight" Russia and Iran. (DJ-As far as I can see China has very limited interests in this conflict. China is gaining influence in central Asia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.)

To be clear-for a moment-the Armenia-Azerbeijan area is considered as South East Europe, the Caucasus-mountains as the Europe-Asia border. 

-Russia has good ties with both-former Soviet Union states- Armenia (christian) and Azerbeijan (oil, islam)

-Turkey has a historic conflict with Armenia. Erdogan is needing Azerbeijan (and Libyan) oil to keep his-almost bankrupt-economy running

-Azerbeijan has in the past had Israeli and US bases (to control Iran and Caspian Sea). 

-Since Iran does need "good neighbours" Iran still had "a working relationship"with Azerbeijan. 

DJ-The main reason why both Iran and Russia would choose side in this conflict is that Turkey and Israel are also doing so...

Yesterday I put a few links to Youtube video's on a US-Iran conflict. What they both showed an open US-Iran war would be-for the US-far worse than Viet Nam. Yes-the US can do a lot of damage to Iran-but after the US murder of Iran general Soleimani during his state visit to Bagdad-Iraq (another US crime under international law-western countries accepting/supporting these war crimes do become marginalized in a global theatre)- there was no major escalation-yet. 

The US "at best" can slow down Iran developments. Another strategy has been supporting minorities like the Kurds, Azerbeijani-minority, Baluchi in the Iran-(former US ally) Pakistan border area, support MeK-extremists. It looks like that strategy did not work. 

Isolating Iran with its land borders with Pakistan-linking it to Iran and the Caspian Sea link to Russia did also not work. Most of the damage for the US breaking the Iran-deal (because Obama signed it) turns out to be for the US. More and more Iran is becoming a "strategic partner"for Russia and China.

When you look at the map Azerbeijan is North-West of Iran. "Creating a wall of conflicts" between Russia-Iran-China and Europe from Belarus, Ukraine to Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan may be "the best"  the US can think of in stopping Eur-Asian integration ? 

There is some risk of this Armenia-Azerbeijan conflict getting out of control. But so far Azerbeijan ( a dictatorship suffering from low oil prices) may not be a match for Russian forces. I think Erdogan/Turkey did create another swamp for itself. The idea of a new Turkish Empire-just like the Saudi struggle to "dominate" the Middle East-is a "dead bird". 

(Since I did take this much room for putting the present dangerous conflict in perspective I open another post on Covid19. To still make a link one only has to look at the corona-impact in Turkey, Iran, Israel etc. a lot of countries are close to collapse...)

A dive into history-did flu make hitler decide to split up the german army in the Soviet Union-one staying in Stalingrad, the other turning towards Azerbeijan oil fields ? [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaC_ir_UXKg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaC_ir_UXKg and how storing a bomb in a cold spot saved hitlers life in 1943...

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-When you look at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ one may believe the pandemic is decreasing. I (DJ) think it may be more realistic that reporting, healthcare, testing is decreasing/collapsing. What I did see coming from India (a.o. Dr, John Campbell is doing a good job giving a global perspective) is not leaving much room for hope. Also countries like Yemen, South Africa most likely are sinking deeper into the pandemic. 

In the Middle East Israel is again in lockdown-wars are escalating. There may be less testing but the pandemic will not go away by testing less..

-In Belgium six entrepreneurs started a legal proces against Marc van Ranst the country's leading virologist. They claim the virologist is damaging their bussinesses by his reporting on the pandemic. Since the Belgian government kicked out most experts from their "outbreak team" to save the economy-maybe "if we all keep silent about the pandemic, ignore it-it will go away"??? Total stupidity ! 

-US Dr. Fauci had a message  [url]https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2350229-amerikaanse-topdokter-fauci-raadt-nederlanders-aan-mondkapjes-te-dragen.html[/url] or https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2350229-amerikaanse-topdokter-fauci-raadt-nederlanders-aan-mondkapjes-te-dragen.html for the Dutch CDC-RIVM on facemasks.  This "group of experts" still claim all international studies on masks are wrong-they are right-masks give a false sense of safety". Yesterday there was another press conference with "our" liberal-conservative PM "Rutte-in later reporting one may conclude there was almost a mayor's uprising against the absurd mask-view and lack of plan on dealing with Covid19 in NL. 

-[url]https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-how-the-netherlands-got-entangled-in-a-chaotic-communication-web/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-how-the-netherlands-got-entangled-in-a-chaotic-communication-web/ 

DJ-A summery of stupidity-the "Dutch approach" -My conclusion on yesterdays press meeting was that our government may be getting the point that "fighting the pandemic is saving the economy" for the rest the disaster goes on with very likely 5000 new daily cases within a week, ten days..

From the above link;

The autumn wave is plowing across Europe with unprecedented speed. In almost every European state, the growing number of corona infections and increasing concerns are commonplace. The continent is facing a number of weeks of truth. Positions are being prepared and armies of care workers are being brought to the highest state of readiness.

Read last week’s analysis here.

The trend is also clearly visible on the maps of Europe. Spain seems to be the first victim with rising infection rates and now overburdened hospitals as well. France, the Czech Republic, Belgium, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom also have to work hard to keep this wave in check.

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Spain and Montenegro were the absolute corona leaders of Europe over the past week. Madrid is the worst hotspot, with 26,664 new infections in seven days. Good for 400.2 per 100,000 inhabitants. Plus a new darker color on the map because an increase like this is once again a tragic record.

Other countries where it is in danger of going in the wrong direction at the end of September are the Czech Republic, France, Belgium, and the Netherlands. In fact, the increase is noticeable everywhere. Only Latvia and Finland managed to keep their average very low. Denmark and the United Kingdom are rising rapidly. Although this seems to be more a result of a the higher numbers of of tests. It should come as no surprise that countries who take a lot of nasal swabs from their populations, invariably register a lot of new infections. As a result, Denmark and the United Kingdom color quite dark on the infection map. However, as seen on the charts below, they score very well when it comes to the number of positive tests in relation to the number of tests carried out.

The timeline also shows that the proportion in these countries is increasing much less rapidly than in other Western European countries. Not a single country is currently below the 3% threshold as stipulated by the ECDC. If a country is above this percentage, it may be an indication that not enough testing is taking place. This had disastrous consequences in the spring.

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The country at the center of this corona crisis in Europe is the Netherlands. How can one of the richest EU countries with excellent laboratories fare so badly in the autumn wave? This is not only due to insufficient testing. Nor about scaling up too late. Or the competition between testing labs, (about which plenty has already been written). Rather it can be blamed to a large extent on communication. This is where (a lack of) vision, decisiveness, and leadership within the Dutch corona strategy becomes painfully clear.

The best time for Dutch communication on corona was back in the early days. The first series of speeches by Prime Minister Mark Rutte about stopping it were very clear and well received. The country was presented with a concrete package of measures which was also clearly communicated. This was accepted by a large majority of the population.

Yet not everything went well even in March. When Rutte attempted to explain that the Netherlands was aiming for herd immunity, this was interpreted as the disputable ‘Swedish’ approach. The herd immunity strategy promptly led to criticism. It seems that the Netherlands government was prepared to play with the lives of millions of people while a still unknown virus was given free rein to infect and kill as many people as it could.

Which all turned out to be a misunderstanding. In fact, the Netherlands was not aiming for herd immunity in that respect at all. In reality, the government opted for a strategy that encompassed a gradual spread of the virus, except without a strict lockdown. Herd immunity was the eventual goal here. Criticism soon subsided once more. But the first traces of a deeper communication problem became clearly visible.

DJ-I could copy all of the article but read it yourself-lotst of good info...

Basicly-Yes you can get a grip on a pandemic by testing, statistics-what is working and what is less effective. 

I am willing to put some "politics" in this as well. "Our" liberal-conservative government in my opinion is not that much different than trump-politics. We have an increasing housing crisis, increasing demand on foof banks AND an increase of millionaires.. Spending cuts on public duties-from police to education and care are making them hardly able to function-but there are tax cuts for big companies. 

Also-trump-like, enviroment, climate change "at best" is a bussiness oppertunity. Maybe (Royal Dutch)  Shell is paying our "liberal party" ?  (By the way "our royal family" my own 25% of "Royal Dutch Shell" and a lot of other bussiness interests as well-they have good ties with other oil-kingdoms. Our "king"is not above parties-he himself is representing a billionaires club...)

Music-no doubt in some peoples eye "extreme left"Abba-money, money, money [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4E7SYlD3aI[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4E7SYlD3aI 


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Love the bit about the 6 Belgium business men suing the virologist......

The thing I get a out of this whole coronavirus is most people don't understand Science,

or they just don't want to listen to the science......For one reason or another......

Manly money....

Just take a look at the damage lead in petrol did ...

.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clean_Room 

Or The tabacco industry!!!!!!!.....

Forget peoples Heath let's make MONEY.....


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carbon20-here is a link to the Belgian story [url]https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/health/133214/show-trial-marc-van-ranst-rants-on-twitter-over-lawsuit/[/url] or https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/health/133214/show-trial-marc-van-ranst-rants-on-twitter-over-lawsuit/ (Just because it is that absurd..) 

Here in NL [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/29/criticism-new-govt-measures-fight-covid-spread[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/29/criticism-new-govt-measures-fight-covid-spread shops, mayors protest against the government drops the decision on using facemasks on them. They do not have the power to make masks mandatory-the government has-but keepd running away...

In the mean time cases keep going up [url]https://coronadashboard.government.nl/[/url] or https://coronadashboard.government.nl/ (there should be the pressrelease of THIS week-but they keep running behind the facts. DJ-Problem is our "liberal government" did cut that much on public services they easy run into trouble...

(By the way on lead in petrol etc-it was under President Coolidge [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge that give in to the oil lobby and allowed lead in fuel.)

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DJ-WAR

-It is no coincidence another conflict erupted on the Asia/Europe border. Since the (pro) US (forces) can not win a war against Russia-Iran-China they (re)start conflicts in the Europe/Asia border area. The main goal is to stop Eur-Asian integration. 

Allthough alarming [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-turkey-attacks-armenia[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-turkey-attacks-armenia (with HT trying to get some income via "covert intel" blabla)-see also [url]https://twitter.com/elintnews?lang=de[/url] or https://twitter.com/elintnews?lang=de and [url]https://southfront.org/turkish-f-16s-enter-the-game/[/url] or https://southfront.org/turkish-f-16s-enter-the-game/ .

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/strategic-aims-behind-the-war-on-armenia.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/strategic-aims-behind-the-war-on-armenia.html has a better view. Azerbeijan may have had foreign support to re-start the war. Most likely not only Turkey but some other countries (Israel, Arab-Gulf-IS-supporters, US. UK ?) did say they would support Azerbeijan starting making problems NW of Iran-south of Russia. 

The MoA-article claims that maybe Azerbeijan paid Turkey (with oil-$) for its support. But due to Covid19 oil demand/price is low. Production costs are also low for Azerbeijan-Iran is willing to sell its oil even cheaper, Russia has a strategic view in the global energy market. 

The Astana-group is Russia-Iran-Turkey. They were supposed to work for peace in Syria. Erdogan needs both Russia and Iran (Turkey and Iran more or less agree on the Kurds, Russian tourism, Turkstream is essential for the Turkish economy). Both Russia and Iran may get tired off Erdogan's "adventurism" with Turkey showing up in Libya, Syria, Iraq supporting groups that fight against those that are supported by Russia and Iran. 

Both the "kingdom"of saudi Arabia  (KSA, run by a 20.000 large "royal" family fighting each other) and Turkey would like to become a "regional power" in the Middle East. Both end up in crazy wars-killing tens of thousends and destroying their own economy. (The UAE is thinking of taking over the role KSA in the region with a better plan.) 

When you look at Covid pandemic a lot of countries make it to the top40 of cases per million. 

Like in the past Armenia may have a much smaller army [url]https://southfront.org/azerbaijan-and-armenias-forces-the-numbers/[/url] or https://southfront.org/azerbaijan-and-armenias-forces-the-numbers/  in practice with Armenia defending positions Azerbeijan is not strong enough to change much in a military way. Turkey will not openly fight with Armenia-because that would bring in Russia. 

So the question is [url]https://southfront.org/caucasus-burning-who-next/[/url] or https://southfront.org/caucasus-burning-who-next/

With just over a month to go to the US election the answer is [url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israel-not-ruling-out-preemptive-strike-against-iran-netanyahu/[/url] or https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israel-not-ruling-out-preemptive-strike-against-iran-netanyahu/ . Netanyahu has a limited time as PM before going to prison for corruption. Israel is hard hit with corona. The Israeli economy is collapsing, the society very divided. Trump has shown "blind support" for Israel but may not be US president that much longer...Netanyahu believes he is the only person able "to save Israel from "the Iran-bomb"-in his tunnelvision he is a major-global-risk. 

World politics are moving into a deeper crisis due to Covid19. The main players are-most-older men often with a mental health issue. (I am very sorry for the US voters that have to make a choice between two over 70 y/o schoolboys). Both Erdogan and Netanyahu may be at the end of their reign-also in part due to Covid19. 

-The pandemic would need international cooperation to get the virus under control. I do get the impression that "controlling the numbers"gets higher priority. Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ulZNagmHJk[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ulZNagmHJk  may deserve a chance. I did take a look at the comments, the Chris Martenson introduction-I am sorry...I may take a look when I do have more time. I do not know why PP/CM is pushing his "herd immunity non-sense" that much...

For that matter Dr. John Campbell does a better job [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaqXwOJSRWc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaqXwOJSRWc 

-Cases going up in the US (third wave) alsi in NYC-with maybe up to 20% of people being infected earlier (DJ-showing there is no real herd immunity).  In Florida less restrictions with 6% of testing positive=cases going up...another wave could mean hospitals can not handle the influx=more deaths. (DJ-I think B-cell immunity-"anti bodies" may not last long, T-cell immunity may have to do the job but might not offer enough protection against new forms of Covid19)

-Belarus is testing Sputnik-5 Dr.J.C. good they are testing, shows it offer some protection but side healtheffects still unknown-we do not know how safe the vaccine is.

-Looking at cases rising in Europe Spain may be worse, but increase in Israel is even much higher.

-UK contact-app indicating close to 20.000 new infections per day, official tests show only 1/3 to 1/4 of those numbers. Expectation of the app-maker is that the UK could be at the may numbers of increase soon. Cases triple in a week in Liverpool/Manchester, double in a week in NE England, London. 

-Mask work-help to control superspreaders spreading the virus. But you need to keep the mask clean otherwise you have a problem. (DJ-Even in NL masks may become accepted due tp pressure from the public-against in-action by our government.)

Some Russian music for a change...[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFHQNgO3jTA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFHQNgO3jTA 

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At "scenario's"I try to put this Covid19 in perspective. With a lot of limits one can compare this pandemic with other pandemics. Also one can put the risk of this pandemic in perspective to other risks.

For this "job"I use sources-I often put a lot of links. Some of the stories I find "bizar" (like kicking out virologists in the Belgian crisis-team because they did not go for the "save the economy" political agenda. Or the politization of HCQ-a 70 year old anti-malaria drug, cheap, easy to make, much used in a lot of countries-just crazy..) other links provide much more info. 

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ the last day of september did see a "more normal" number of cases  (over 313.000) and deaths (over 6200)-India is slowly moving to take over the #1 position from the US. Since (not) dealing with the pandemic has become "political" the "top 3 countries" US, India, Brazil may "try to keep their numbers down". When you look at other numbers sad to see countries like Peru and Colombia slowly moving towards the 1 million cases. Argentina, France, Spain all reporting far over 10.000 new cases yesterday. Israel and Russia (both also with political influenced numbers) reporting over 8000 cases. 

-Here in NL we had over 3300 new cases (worldometer may have put some corrections in their numbers). The "genome sequencing" did find the present outbreak in NL did come from France and Spain. Spread may have started in july. Of course it was insane to go for almost unlimited (air)travel this summer. In other news the 58th Dutch mink farm was found infected. At least opposition parties managed that culled mink farms did not get the chance to start with new minks. It is beyond absurd that "government inaction" continues-so that in november mink-furs can be harvested. Almost half of the 128 Dutch mink farms now did see infection....Our "government" now has an "advice" to use face masks more often. The Dutch covid-numbers are exploding-with the first spread in a more younger age group-showing less healthissues. Of course it spreads to other age groups resulting in a further increase of severe cases and deaths. 

-DJ-I think this year could see 1,5 million Covid deaths, 2021 may see another 1,5 to 2 million deaths. If you put an average of 5000 deaths x 365 days=1.825.000 you will end up with this kind of estimates. Looking at NL again we not have a crisis in ICU. The problem may come in "general hospital care" being overrun-more docters, nurses etc. getting ill or in self isolation. Also GP's may become problematic. Testing most likely will remain a problem here. Worldwide the number of deaths may go up if less care is available. In an optimistic scenario this pandemic may cost 5 million lives-with (an Indian Pharma expectation) in 2024 global vaccination making the major difference. 

-Of course if vaccines would show to be effective and "we" manage to get a lot of vaccinations being done maybe numbers could come down. If we do NOT find a working well enough vaccine you may get a "harder picture". I (DJ) am hopefull the corona/SARS2-virus may develop-overtime-towards a more common cold. I did see in the "news" selection a (DW)story over "Neanderthal genetics giving more severe outcomes" with most of that genetic material being in South Asia. Europe, Japan has an older population. Countries with more concentrated population may also suffer more. You have the virus showing different outcomes in different sorts of population and densities of population. In general my view is that the urban poor are most at risk. 

-Then of course there is the background of where the virus can do its damage. There is a "political problem" not only in the US. "Sociopaths" crazy men have to much influence in global politics. From "BoJo", Bolsenaro, Berlusconi, to Trump, Erdogan, Sarkozy (and maybe Macron) types you do not want to take care of your children "take care of your country"...resulting in

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-A not that good -most likely propaganda of a sort-article [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/captured-general-talks-azerbaijan-attack-on-armenia-failed-because-russia-alerted-armenia-4-months-ago[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/captured-general-talks-azerbaijan-attack-on-armenia-failed-because-russia-alerted-armenia-4-months-ago link. DJ-I do not know if Pakistan is moving its forces to support Azerbeijan. As far as I see Iran is trying to stay out of the conflict-Russia is trying to end it. ([url]https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/09/30/635362/Iran-warns-of-new-war-over-Karabakh-dispute--[/url] or https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/09/30/635362/Iran-warns-of-new-war-over-Karabakh-dispute-- DJ Iran is not happy with yet another war near its borders. DJ-There may be Pakistani fighters in Azerbaijan but most likely Pakistan itself wants to stay out. Some of those Pakistan fighters may come from Gulf states also supporting IS etc.-there are lots of foreign workers in the Arab world coming from Asia.)

The HT article is WRONG in claiming Armenia has no help. There is a major Russian base in Armenia. Greece, France claim to support Greece. The Duran [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8sBl28H_B0&feature=emb_rel_end[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8sBl28H_B0&feature=emb_rel_end may have a better story. 

The way I (DJ) see it; Turkey may get very isolated by joining/initiating Azerbeijan to restart a war with Armenia. It could be almost all neighbours of Turkey get fed up with Erdogan's wars. Turkey needs Russian tourism and energy. If Turkey wants to play a role in the China New Silk Road it has to change its foreign politics. Pakistan did send its soldiers to fight in the Yemen War a few years ago-it has major problems with India and on the Afghan border. For the China-Pakistan-Economic-Corridor Pakistan has to stay out of wars if possible. Besides that in Pakistan itself there is already a religious Sunni/Shia conflict-the last thing Pakistan needs is to get involved in a collission of Russian orthodox and Turkish Sunni's being a factor behind the Armenia-Azerbeijan conflict. (see also [url]https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/[/url] or https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/

-Another War [url]https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/india-china-october.14395/[/url] or https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/india-china-october.14395/ (with extra links [url]https://m.dailyhunt.in/news/india/english/newstrack+journalism+english-epaper-nwstkeng/india+launches+nirbhay+missile+to+counter+chinese+threat+know+everything-newsid-n218314572[/url] or https://m.dailyhunt.in/news/india/english/newstrack+journalism+english-epaper-nwstkeng/india+launches+nirbhay+missile+to+counter+chinese+threat+know+everything-newsid-n218314572 and [url]https://twitter.com/elintnews?lang=de[/url] or https://twitter.com/elintnews?lang=de (much info on various items) India seems to be preparing medium range India-made, nuclear capable missiles to target Chinese installations in Tibet. 

DJ-Maybe to distract from the exploding India corona-crises, protests against the treatment of women in India, and a release of Hindu-BJP- extremist that started the 1992 Ayodhya riots by destroying a 16th century mosq to build a temple for "Ram" on that site-Mohdi wants to start a major war with China ? 

Again-one of the motors behind the China-Pakistan-Economi-Corridor is the Hindu-extremism in India. (DJ-Some call it Hindu-fascism-India has over 200 million Muslims-it is the third country in Muslim population. Treating them as second class is creating a major problem. It is one of the lagacies from the colonial era. The Armenia/Azerbeijan conflict has to do with the Ottoman Empire-history and the end of the Soviet Union. Over 70% of the Armenians and Azeri's would like to see a return of the Soviet Union. Putin may be working on an idea-also to deal with Belarus.)

-Yesterday I did put a link to [url]https://southfront.org/caucasus-burning-who-next/[/url] or https://southfront.org/caucasus-burning-who-next/ From Russian perspective "the western Atlantic elite" is behind the conflicts in Belarus, Ukraine, Caucasus. China and Iran also blame "some western elements  for the present very serious crisis. DJ-To put it in my own words-if you in the US vote for the "republicans" you vote for war with China, if you vote for "democrats" you vote for war with Russia-the US is the problem !!!

-Of course Netanyahu most likely is willing to start a war with Iran this month-trying to let the US do most of the fighting. I think there is a very real risk of a Russia-Iran-China etc coalition saying enough is enough. This may not mean all out (global) war but could see an increase of cyber/electronic war and even more propaganda. 

-DJ-A war getting out of control-going nuclear is a direct-short term risk. Climate change is a bit longer term risk. Some scenario's "see the end" in 2026. Food production is already an issue/problem. We are facing the sixth mass extinction in Earths history and most likely will not be excluded....

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I find the Indian situation interesting,

70 years ago India was partitioned and Pakistan,and East Pakistan was created ,

India was for Hindus

Pakistan and East Pakistan for Muslim's

This was done in full.agreement  with the Muslim community,over 1milliion people were killed during this time.

So the question is why are Muslims still in India? 

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carbon20-good question. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India#Independence,_population_transfer,_and_violence[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India#Independence,_population_transfer,_and_violence ; There was no conception that population transfers would be necessary because of the partitioning. Religious minorities were expected to stay put in the states they found themselves residing in

So in 1947 the idea was that religious minorities should be acceptable. Since 1947 that idea has shown to be the cause of major problems. Also the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India is an ongoing problem. Often young women of lower "castes" get raped by men of a "higher caste/rich family"-the legal process in India does not deal with that very well.

When you mix that with very high income inequality, not enough investments in public health, almost permanent state of war with neighbours and very large differences (and border tax) between Indian states the corona-pandemic makes everythingh else worse. The population of India is expected to get larger than that of China within a few years, both China and India may have a larger economy than the US from 2030 (in many ways the China economy is already larger-depends on what numbers you use. Just like the Euro may be the biggest currency-depending on how you meassure it. ) Both Pakistan and India joined the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation (Iran, Turkey may also become members). The hope was economic coorperation would solve (border)problems (like in the EU). The US pushing for a US-India-Japan-Australia anti-China coalition (to stop EurAsian integration) may have slowed down India. The anti-Muslim, Hindu-extremist [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narendra_Modi[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narendra_Modi government is creating division to breaking point in his country-sounds familiar ? Somehow we have "leaders" in lots of countries breaking up their own country instead of uniting them-let alone working international to deal with a pandemic. 

-DJ-What is wrong with Chris Martenson ? [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSJRyYf01H8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSJRyYf01H8 "I don't fear Covid19 (anymore) ???? [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ with almost 320.000 new tested cases on october 1 worldwide the number of positive tested cases is going up ! We did see a record number of almost 9000 deaths in just one day ! Even here in NL the medical system may collapse under the pandemic this month-did Peak Prosperity get money to change their story ? Bizarre !

Medcram [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCH36Cckebg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCH36Cckebg may be still doing a very good job. What I liked from PP/CM was a wider perspective-since a major pandemic also effects the economy, politics etc. (Will TRUMP now have an excuse to postpone (or even cancel) the US elections ? Is his corona another lie ?) .

-Medcram taking a look at ECDC statistics-yes the number of cases are going up in much of Europe-not yet followed by the number of deaths-but when you look at age distribution the numbers first went up in a much younger age group. The older and more vulnarable (DJ-often sheltering in place) numbers are slowly just now going up as well. The deaths number will go up-DJ-most likely the death numbers will become much worse than the numbers in spring. In many countries "old people were locked up"to protect them-so less vitamin D. Another problem-with much more testing-more HCW find out they test positive-stay at home to prevent spreading the disease any further. DJ-Loking at Dutch numbers in Health Care workers large groups (over 20%) complain of depression, exhaustion, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). After the spring Covid19 cases during summer a lot of HCW worked extra hours to deal with non-covid cases wich did not get attention in spring. That job was not finished yet or another wave (DJ-thanks to our failing governments opening borders, (air)travel) from France and Spain moved north. Germany had much more restrictions, Finland kept its borders almost closed (and has a low population density-in many ways the southern part of NL is one major city with 12 million people living in it). 

- With much less testing in spring the real number of positive cases must have been a lot higher. DJ-We could see the second wave coming-by testing (in NL it is in young people that do not get (very) ill and do not spread it that much-stupidity !) also in sewage...but inaction was the policy "to save the economy" just crazy !

-In this short presentation also lots of differences between European countries. Some see a "second wave" others are still in the first wave. Sweden had not a mandatory stay-at-home order but a voluntary one-that still goes on resulting in not yet a major increase. (DJ-Some claim "Sweden went for herd immunity" they did not-in some countries most people are clever enough to follow advice if communication is clear. Here in NL our justice minister was breaking his own rules, our health minister went on holiday in France...)

Of course a lot of people do NOT recover fully from Covid19-suffering for months of fatigue, breathing problems, nightmares and strange muscle pain, memory loss etc. This part of the issue is not getting enough attention. Both on a human scale-people feel they have lost their live and futuredreams and on an economic scale-the number of people not able to raise an income does increase-it is a fast growing problem. Also for older people getting more isolated, lonely, for months-this pandemic is a nightmare-a horror show...(DJ-And I get very angry when people like CM/PP now think they are clever by claiming there is no reason to fear Covid19-he should know better ! I do not get what is wrong with him !)

-[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B01ZlRfMnmU[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B01ZlRfMnmU Dr. John Campbell also goes on reporting-with lots of links below the video-giving also a wider perspective...

DJ-What I am missing is the political part of Covid19-reporting. The Spanish Flu major pandemic was related to World War 1. Some claim even it contributed to ending that (insane) war. The hard reality is that Covid19 is still NOT under control ! "We" as a society-do not manage to get a real grip on it. Should we al go for the more drastic, draconian, Chinese way (not to mention the North Korean way-killing persons getting over their border to avoid getting the virus in their country) ? In most countries there are already major protests against far less stricter rules than China used (even if China may not present 100% accurate numbers). Politics itself came up with the wrong question-should we "save the old or the economy" causing this pandemic only to last longer. 

Many countries "tend to play with statistics"-Turkey is one of them. Certainly in major cities like Ankara (the old Angora) and Istanbul Covid19 is much more widespread than the official numbers present so [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkish-president-seals-his-country-s-fate-says-jerusalem-is-our-city[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkish-president-seals-his-country-s-fate-says-jerusalem-is-our-city Erdogan gets out of control...

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[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/azerbaijan-fires-ballistic-missiles-at-capital-of-armenia[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/azerbaijan-fires-ballistic-missiles-at-capital-of-armenia DJ Russia and Iran do not want another war in their region, at their borders. They may intervene. Greece, France may join them-the US may "not be invited". If the US plan was to stop EurAsian integration the opposite could be the result. 

With Erdogan claiming Jerusalem is a Turkish city the Israeli-Turkey cooperation in Azerbeijan may have ended. Azerbeijan used Israeli drones-etc-had Israeli bases in the past (against Iran). Without Turkey Azerbeijan would not have started this war with Armenia. Russia and Iran have now several options-from let the war go on for some time Armenia destroying Azerbeijan to "maximum pressure" against both Turkey and Azerbeijan-going for regime change in both countries. 

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DJ - I specifically came looking for your take on what Chris Martenson said yesterday!  I haven't watched any of his videos in a while, but follow him on Twitter so get a sense of what he's been talking about.

The title of his video yesterday stunned me, so I watched the first 15-20 minutes of it before I had to do something else. Then other news took over...

It sounded to me like what he was (very poorly?) saying is that
- he still doesn't want to get it

- but isn't panicked about it any more because there are now treatments that work.  (Ivermectin being his primary one it seems)

BUT - those treatments are absolutely not going to be available to every one. I really doubt a doctor here in New Mexico would prescribe Ivermectin before it is an official CDC recommendation. Which, since it's a cheap generic, is probably unlikely. (cynical here)

But Chris, being able to prescribe for himself (???) wouldn't have any worries about that. So if all of that is true I get where he is coming from for *himself*, but I think it's horrifying that he's saying that to his followers who will not be able to get the same treatment protocols.

Your thoughts???

Did I miss enough that I should go watch the whole thing?

Thanks! As always, appreciate all of your thoughts. 

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KiminNM-I did not waste my time on CM/PP thursdays video-after seeing the title and remembering tuesday's video using incompleet data. If you come up with statistics only showing a peak in positive tested cases without a timeline-use statistics from Afghanistan or other countries with very limited testing capacities to "claim there is a sort of herd immunity" I am finished with you (meaning PP/CM not you KiminNM   !)

Somehow he has been claiming the Covidpandemic is over-XYZ-fantasy, better treatment-in my perspective it is not. I wish it was over, but I think we may see the worst part still coming. Since PP/CM keeps repeating himself with "selective proof" and thursday's episode takes over 50 minutes ...sorry. Maybe I will give it one more try to find out if there is anything usefull but so far I feel I lost a good source of information. 

-With trump now facing a 5-12% of dying from Covid19 before the election (at best) and a lot of visitors/workers of him/his staff testing positive global stability is decreasing even further. Trump did meet Netanyahu and UAE "types" for their "peace for war" deal. The picture I get trump may have been ill for several days but denied it-spreading the disease in all his contacts that did spread it further...[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/us-president-trump-caught-the-flu.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/us-president-trump-caught-the-flu.html

Dr. John Campbell on the US situation [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLST_Kmjopo[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLST_Kmjopo 

-A lung fund study here in NL showed only less than 5% of "mild cases" was without complaints after six months. Fatigue was a problem in over 80% of the post-covid-syndrome. Also short of breath, pressure on the chest was widespread. (DJ. Since we are very good in creating healthcrisis in NL-many of the post-covid syndrome look like people still suffering from Q-fever many years after the infection. The named it "chronic Q-fever" but the complaints often coincide with "post viral syndrome"in general. The Post covid syndrome may be a serious problem in over 10% of all positive tested. Since the average age in the studied group was 48 and new cases show up in very young people the problem of long term suffering can become the main issue of this pandemic. )

-[url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/10/california-is-poised-to-hit-fearsome.html[/url] or http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/10/california-is-poised-to-hit-fearsome.html California is burning with [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/09/august-and-september-account-for-five_25.html[/url] or http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/09/august-and-september-account-for-five_25.html over 150 million dead trees...Europe is now facing storm "Alex" causing flooding, destruction in France, Italy, Switzerland most likely several people lost their live already. Yucatan may face storm "Gamma". 2020 was an extreme year in number of storms so far the damage they did was limited. Also [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/swarm-nearly-600-earthquakes-rattles-southern-california-sparking-speculation-about-big-one[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/swarm-nearly-600-earthquakes-rattles-southern-california-sparking-speculation-about-big-one 

-[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/emerging-evidence-hyperinflation[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/emerging-evidence-hyperinflation DJ-The US dollar owed its value most to being used for all international energy deals, a lot of global trade. The Euro € did damage that position-the US did not (yet) invade us to deal with that risk. Other countries that stopped using the petro-dollar faced US forces; Iraq, Libya. Controlling both the currency and energy made the US "the only superpower" and those days are gone...Over using sanctions, wars etc. did push Russia-Iran-China towards each other. 

Without that control of global energy, currency the US is falling back on weapons-only due to widespread corruption Russia, Iran, China make better weapons sometimes for less that 10% of US costs. Here in NL we have US Apache-helicopters making emergency landings-or in repair all the time. The JSF-F35 "corruption/corosion" has a rust problem and can not operate during tunderstorms...The Boeing drama-with most of Boeing being financed via the pentagon-is also not a good "selling point". Saudi Arabia is using US weapons in its Yemen genocide, Turkey is using most US weapons to kill Kurds. Without succes. 

-Here in the NL we had close to 4000 new cases yesterday (for comparison Germany had close to 3000 on a 4xlarger population). With testing being still a major problem and our government being pressed by the opposition and public "advicing face masks somewere" (of wich the head of the Dutch CDC/RIVM still claim it is not working-as the last "expert in the world"almost) the outlook is not good. A lot of schools, shops etc. now require masks-also a lot do not...Hospital care is more under pressure than ICU-for the moment. That means probleems that are not life threats will see treatment in 2021...(but also early detection of cancers etc. is under pressure). With only Spain and the Czech republic doing worse "we are reaching another top position" in Covid19. (Also increasing in care centers-"great job" our government/health care elite did not learn a thing from the first outbreak-schools are spreading like crazy-sometimes in some schools using masks will not change that much. It does not stay at school-spreads wider into the community...)

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[url]https://southfront.org/azerbaijani-forces-push-to-seize-largest-karabakh-city/[/url] or https://southfront.org/azerbaijani-forces-push-to-seize-largest-karabakh-city/  DJ One of the reasons why Turkey started its war with Armenia via Azerbeijan is oil. Azerbeijan is full of oil. Armenia has a defense treaty with Russia-but since Nagorno-Karabakh is officialy not part of Armenia that defense treaty has not been activated yet. [url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-pushes-more-reinforcements-near-golan-heights-border-as-new-operation-approaches/[/url] or https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-pushes-more-reinforcements-near-golan-heights-border-as-new-operation-approaches/ Israel is supplying Azerbeijan with all kinds of weapons. Israel had a base in Azerbeijan (DJ- May still have military there) to "control Iran". Turkey did transfer Is/alquada and other "western backed moderate terrorists"from Libya, Syria to Azerbeijan as a sort of Turkish Foreign legion. Israel has been working with these "moderate terrorists" as well-now support them near the Golan Heights-most likely to create a "buffer zone" even with Russia doing a lot to control the Syrian part of that border (and keep Iran out of that area). (DJ-Most likely the "rebels" in the created "buffer zone" came from the Israeli side of the control line. Just like Al Tanf-under US control in South Syria is a bases for more "moderate terrorists". )

[url]https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/[/url] or https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/ DJ-Azerbaijan must have been planning this operation with Turkey for months. Eventhough in a military sense their combined forces are much stronger than the Armenian army Turkey may face the same scenario the face in Kurdish parts of Syria (as good as all of the Kurds in Syria are from Turkey trying to find a safe place). The terrain is hard to control, guerilla warfare will kill a lot of pro-Turkish forces. 

[url]https://southfront.org/armenian-forces-sustained-heavy-losses-in-new-wave-of-azerbaijani-drone-strikes-videos/[/url] or https://southfront.org/armenian-forces-sustained-heavy-losses-in-new-wave-of-azerbaijani-drone-strikes-videos/ Drone warfare means killing from the air-transport vehicles being hit often means one missile killing tens of people...Azerbaijan is using Israeli drones and short range missiles [url]https://southfront.org/azerbaijani-army-destroyed-nagorno-karabakh-bridge-with-israeli-made-ballistic-missile-video/[/url] or https://southfront.org/azerbaijani-army-destroyed-nagorno-karabakh-bridge-with-israeli-made-ballistic-missile-video/ .

We are facing a global pandemic with another new million tested cases every 3,5 days [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ . We NEED international cooperation to deal with this outbreak-NOT countries trying to kill eachother, groups trying to kill eachother-a.o. by spreading disease. DJ-The statistics are-at best-only a shadow of reality. Undertesting is very widespread (also in the number of deaths), indifference most likely a hidden agenda "killing the poor and costly". 

If we continue with the war-agenda this pandemic will last for years killing millions...

DJ-Music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMbvcp480Y4[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMbvcp480Y4 Adagio from Albinoni ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adagio_in_G_minor[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adagio_in_G_minor for the discussion on this piece of music.)


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Trump's election team most likely would like to claim trump is in hospital in preparation for some marathon...DJ-I think it has limited use to speculate. [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/claim-president-trump-is-not-at-walter-reid-hospital-allegedly-on-a-ship[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/claim-president-trump-is-not-at-walter-reid-hospital-allegedly-on-a-ship I do not know what to think of this...could be even trump pre-recorded on a ship ? 

WAR

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/is-the-war-over-nagorno-karabakh-already-at-a-stalemate.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/is-the-war-over-nagorno-karabakh-already-at-a-stalemate.html In my view another crisis at the Russian and Iran borders fits the US agenda of stopping EurAsian integration. The article may be a little bit wrong in that Azerbaijan did make some limited progress [url]https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/en/2020/3-october-azerbaijan-soldiers-rising-flag-of-azerbaijan-inside[/url] or https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/en/2020/3-october-azerbaijan-soldiers-rising-flag-of-azerbaijan-inside

On the background of the conflict [url]http://thesaker.is/whats-at-stake-in-the-armenia-azerbaijan-chessboard/[/url] or http://thesaker.is/whats-at-stake-in-the-armenia-azerbaijan-chessboard/

Some basic "red lines";

-Turkey will not move into Armenia as long as Armenia does not attack Azerbaijan oil installations (providing a.o. Turkey with oil)

-If Armenia goes for Azerbaijan oil installations Azerbaijan goes for Armenia's nuclear reactor

-Turkey moving into Armenia=war with Russia

-This war has been preplanned for months

-Turkey may be in control of much of Azerbaijan forces and did put (over 4000 ?)"moderate jihadi's" on their side.

-Those Sunni jihadi's in Shia Azerbaijan may become a future problem. That may even be the plan-from there those "jihadi's" can move into Russia, Central Asia

DJ-The US will not go for a direct war against Russia, Iran, China-even only attacking Iran in war games turned into the US losing such a conflict at high cost. Israel sending lots of military hardware to Azerbaijan (against Christian Armenia) only makes sense when the real goal-the reason why Israel had a military presence in Azerbaijan for years-is Iran. 

It also fits with the "peace offensive"for wich both trump and netanyahu claim the nobel peace price. The now "peace partners"for a US "peace deal' with Israel are also enemies of Iran and in a never ending war with Yemen. The goal of the "peace deal" is a larger war with Iran.

Climate collapse

With California still dealing with its wildfires the first wildfires in Australia have started [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/10/california-has-suffered-its-worse.html[/url] or http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/10/california-has-suffered-its-worse.html

[url]https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2020/10/03/gamma-makes-landfall-in-mexico-92l-could-become-a-storm-in-nw-caribbean/[/url] or https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2020/10/03/gamma-makes-landfall-in-mexico-92l-could-become-a-storm-in-nw-caribbean/ and BPearthwatch [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVtpsS64F9E[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVtpsS64F9E 

Tropical Storm "Gamma" is moving over Yucatan and may follow the Mexican East coast thecoming days losing strength. Another (future) storm is moving towards western Cuba and may get stronger after that-could become "Delta"-we may know more on how it works out in the coming days. Cold air in the US could mean the storms may lose much of their strength if they would move towards the US. [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 has two other "systems"in the Atlantic-if they would be named we may run out of names for this hurricane season. 

Covid19

[url]https://freedomhouse.org/report/special-report/2020/democracy-under-lockdown[/url] or https://freedomhouse.org/report/special-report/2020/democracy-under-lockdown To deal with a pandemic can become anti-democratic. In Israel Netanyahu is using the lock down to stop demonstrations against him. DJ-One has to find a balance and have good communications. Here in NL there is no longer much bases left due to chaotic mismanagement by our government. 

Music; Since it is a sunday let us look at Genesis-"Jesus he knows me"-touch the screen and send in the money ! [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35K6vQRt67g[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35K6vQRt67g 


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Trump may face serious-deadly-heartproblems-will he make it till next sunday ? On Covid19 and heartproblems [url]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2770645?guestAccessKey=ad3c4563-167f-452a-917f-7bfe15663b06&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=091120[/url] or https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2770645?guestAccessKey=ad3c4563-167f-452a-917f-7bfe15663b06&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=091120

We are now in the worst case scenario. "Liberal conservative politics" went for "herd immunity to save the economy", now in many countries we face another lockdown destroying the economy. Since these "politicians" are that dogmatic and blind they push the world further towards global war and climate destruction...

In Dutch there is a saying "the shore has to stop the ship" when that ship is a supertanker going full speed it will stop but not without major damage...

WAR

[url]https://southfront.org/increasing-presence-of-radical-militants-in-karabakh-boosts-chances-of-russian-intervention-in-armenian-azerbaijani-war/[/url] or https://southfront.org/increasing-presence-of-radical-militants-in-karabakh-boosts-chances-of-russian-intervention-in-armenian-azerbaijani-war/ NATO ally Turkey is pushing IS and alquaeda jihadi's into Azerbaijan-not only to fight Armenia but as a threat for Russia, Iran, China. Of course Shis-Azarbaijan soon will find out that these Sunni-fanatics are "not a friend of Azarbaijan" but with its army and airforce under Turkish control it may be to late to stop these thugs from taking over the oil-installations as payment...It al fits in the "neo-con/neo-liberal" agenda of destruction...

DJ-Turkey is transporting jihadiÅ› and weapons via Georgia to Azarbaijan (Like North Viet Nam used Laos and Cambodia to get supplies to the Viet Cong-nationalists-becoming communists because that is where they could get help- in South Viet Nam, we know how that ended). The US-Israel [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/vicious-azerbaijan-strikes-city-with-cluster-bombs[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/vicious-azerbaijan-strikes-city-with-cluster-bombs Sunni-Arab friendship may push Europe away from the US. If the goal of this-new-war is to stop Eur-Asian integration it may do the opposite. France and Russia may be "working together"to find "help for Armenia" even if Iran also has a part in that-we do not need more refugees because of US wars...

Climate

[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ As BPEarthwatch did see coming "Gamma" and "Delta" moving towards the US. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d7SkNlys5w[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d7SkNlys5w and Tropical Tidbits [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAFaXkKWk6o[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAFaXkKWk6o 

DJ-It is unclear if there will be one or two storms-"dancing around eachother" will move north. Speed may be a major factor since colder water near the US Gulf coast may take strength from the storms. Models "expect something" coming friday-october 9. But the more "extreme models" -as Tropical Tidbits mentions-see a cat3 between Cuba and Yucatan coming wednesday...

In Europe [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%9321_European_windstorm_season#Storm_Alex[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%9321_European_windstorm_season#Storm_Alex did do a lot of damage-and is not over yet [url]https://www.estofex.org/[/url] or https://www.estofex.org/ ;Level 1 and level 2 areas are issued for SE France (including Corsica), W and N Italy, S Switzerland, S Austria, coastal Slovenia, coastal Croatia, Montenegro and N Albania for excessive convective precipitation (mainly in the mountains), large hail, severe convective wind gusts and tornadoes (mainly in coastal and offshore areas).

DJ-You do not need to be clairvoyent to see some main events coming if you look at the past and present. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=700p07fPkxU[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=700p07fPkxU Dr. John Campbell still believes in herd-immunity. I follow a Dutch guy on twitter-with a degree in communications and good in statistics (the one behind [url]https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europa-pompen-of-verzuipen-voor-nederland-en-tsjechie/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europa-pompen-of-verzuipen-voor-nederland-en-tsjechie/ later on today also in English-maps tell the story. Israel is in crisis with netanyahu trying to stay in power by going for "security" (DJ-most likely means war) after kicking out virologists that warned for Covid-explosins due to reopening.) not knowing that much of medicine at all-simply looking at the numbers-if herd immunity had some effect somewere it would show. So immunity does not last long enough to create herd-immunity...another dream not surviving confrontation with reality. 

Trump trying to get out of much needed healthcare while fighting a very severe Covid19 infectionis-to put it the hard way-asking for his death. His disrespect for the virus did not end with getting very ill-he still thinks he should go on campaign-while his body must be screaming "NO"...if somebody should be on the ICU but runs out for jobreasons you know how it goes...

Music-Lenny Kravitz-It Ain't Over Till It's Over [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmENMZFUU_0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmENMZFUU_0

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-In dealing with a pandemic it is not only medical questions seeking answers. To define what is "a case" of the pandemic disease may be medical-how to follow developments in society requires data, statistics. ALL medical questions need communication. Politics has to weigh and find balances, needs to take responsability..

Eventhough the AIDS/HIV pandemic is still going on, TB, Malaria (a.o.) may be close to a pandemic problem, the current Covid19 is a bigger problem. It is more spread around the globe-more easy to catch and could be ten times more deadly then the flu.

Maybe the WHO is correct and 10% of the almost 8 billion global population did get infected-one could claim those 800 million cases "only" (so far) resulted in over 1 million deaths-but the pandemic is far from over-90% did not yet get infected-it could be that the 10% infected will get reinfected. 

A major goal in controlling an outbreak is to "keep everything going" -from healthcare to the economy. If tracking the spread of the virus fails the pandemic gets out of control-no real problem in a very mild disease, a major problem in a serious disease. 

Yesterday my country-NL- did see over 4500 new cases (and made it to #10 in the new cases list of [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/). Using the statistics of this spring 20% of those cases would need hospital care-5% ICU meaning 900 hospital beds, 225 ICU's would get occupied in just one day-with a maximum ICU capacity of-at best-1700 beds within just over a week ICU capacity would be reached. (If I am correct the total was 25% needing hospital care-20 not-5 needing ICU-but for the story the exact numbers are not the point. Limits in care are the point.)

At present it is a younger age group ending up in hospital-they end up less in ICU-but also hospitalbeds have a maximum capacity. There are better treatments-resulting in shorter stay in hospital/ICU-but the disease keeps spreading also in older and more complicated population. 

For now the number of deaths may be limited, a lot of HCW-ers still can do their job. Since HCW-ers are exhausted, more complex cases take more capacity it is very likely we will see the number of deaths going up due lack of capacity to give care. 

This has already happened in Israel [url]https://www.thedailybeast.com/israels-hospitals-are-at-brink-of-collapse-in-devastating-second-covid-wave[/url] or https://www.thedailybeast.com/israels-hospitals-are-at-brink-of-collapse-in-devastating-second-covid-wave .

Jelmer Visser-a Dutch communication/information specialist-is describing global developments, a lot of countries face the Israel scenario. There new infections were over 0.1% of the population per day ! It did decrease somewhat-but in that horror scenario new treatments, vaccines etc. come to late. [url]https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-is-it-a-case-of-waving-or-drowning-in-the-netherlands-and-the-czech-republic/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-is-it-a-case-of-waving-or-drowning-in-the-netherlands-and-the-czech-republic/ 

Peak Prosperity/Chris Martenson and Dr.John Campbell-with many others-hoped for some "herd immunity". That at least some places the virus would have been enough widespread to slow down infections. If the most vulnarable stayed at home and the strongest most active people would get infected (XYZ) the pandemic would stop-nice idea-not realistic looking at the data..

-[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfCccnmTb4[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfCccnmTb4  Dr. John Campbell update on Trump his medication. Mr. Trump would need to be still in quarantine, worst part of symptoms may be in week 2..

DJ-[url]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm[/url] or https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm Both Trump and Biden are to old to be running for president-simply looking at statistics. Trump did get a covid19 infection and is acting like "he now is recovered" but it most likely is just acting. If I had an employee of that age, with that kind of severe illness-I would not put him in a very responsible position by november 3. Certainly if that employee is not realistic on what the infection did to his health. Joe Biden will turn 78 next month...US statistics show an average life expectancy of 78,6 years...(and for men that will be lower).

The main reason why this pandemic became a pandemic is bad leadership...maybe that is also the main disease.

-[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvMG91IVXyg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvMG91IVXyg BPEarthWatch describing how "Gamma" and "Delta" are becoming a cat3 hurricane moving towards the US. Climate change is "out of control"-just like the pandemic-due to bad leadership, wrong priorities..

-WAR

DJ-To keep it simple, a semi-war zone has been constructed from Belarus-Ukraine, via Turkey to Armenia/Azarbaijan, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir to west China where the CCP has to go to extreme controling of the Uyghur Muslim minority. That war zone is no coincident but meant to stop Ear-Asian integration. "The wall has been replaced by a war".

It will be a matter of time before all these wars interconnect and become one major war. Just like the pandemic-if you are not able to control small fires you will end up in a larger fire (like they know in the western US, Australia, France, Greece, etc.)

DJ-We are in a "mega mix" of this Covid19 pandemic-most likely worsening other health issues (dealing with malaria, polio often stopped to deal with Covid19). Climate change is creating food production and logistic problems, in the south of Europe "Alex" may have killed dozens but evacuations are still going on. The storm and flooding did destroy a lot of infrastructure. 

In stead of dealing with these problems we invest in more wars..."to save the US$" as if war would be the best way to do so...do we know what we are doing ? 

Music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL-ttyIhSYk[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL-ttyIhSYk [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrie[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrie 


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-One of the reasons I come to this forum is to rant at "our government", while no doubt clever they keep on making clever mistakes creating "The Dutch Disaster". We had the largest Q-fever outbreak in the world, were already world champion in "legionella disease outbreak mismanagement",half-64-of the 128 mink farms did see covid19 infection-with the government planning to do something next year...If everey 3,5 days 0.1% of your population test positive for Covid19 even when there is a severe shortage-still-in testing capacity and your government believes "next week" is the right time to act is that just stupid or criminal ? 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/06/weekly-coronavirus-infections-rose-42-percent-hospital-cases-sharply[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/06/weekly-coronavirus-infections-rose-42-percent-hospital-cases-sharply and [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/06/4500-coronavirus-infections-today-975-patients-covid-19-dutch-hospitals[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/06/4500-coronavirus-infections-today-975-patients-covid-19-dutch-hospitals 

"Our"government is still-basicly-against the "false feeling of safety facemasks provide". A lockdown should be prevented to save the economy-while the numbers are that alarming any other country would go for full lock downs, maximum contact tracing (not happening in NL shortage of staff) and preparing hospitals. Here in NL hospital pharmacies are "allowed not to compete with eachother"in exchanging the not working US profit making drug remdesivir. In hospitals, like in a lot of other public sectors-spending cuts and illness is pushing service at breaking point...with the rise in hospital cases only just increasing...

The total lack of vision- due to Covid19 less need for public transport means spending cuts there while public transport is supposed to be a main form of transport for the new neighbourhoods-to build 800.000 houses to deal with the shortage our "liberal conservative idiots "created. If you think Trump is bad-try Rutte-our ever smiling PM-idiot destroying all public services to create more millionaires and poverty... 

-In the "Hot One Hundred" NL is rising fast to #27 [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ of all cases. We even-thanks to our government inaction-in new cases make it to #11 !  

In total deaths "we"are at #25-also moving up very fast ! Within a few weeks-due to collapse of our healthcare system-those numbers may go in the hundreds-although no doubt-most will not be tested....

Again-this pandemic is man made due to ignorant stupidity of "our"leaders with big mouths and no action...the outcome may be that we may face a continuation of this pandemic for the coming years, with economies being destroyed and the daily number of deaths going up...pandemics can kill countries-in combination with other (man made) disasters be part of a sixth global extinsion wave...(and it certainly will not be over in 30 days !) 

DJ-NL is not yet in a global top 5; [url]https://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/5149545/in-deze-5-landen-escaleert-corona-nog-sneller-dan-in-nederland/[/url] or https://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/5149545/in-deze-5-landen-escaleert-corona-nog-sneller-dan-in-nederland/ google-translate

5. Costa Rica (+200 per 1M)
Population: 5 million

Total number of infections 81,129, number of deaths 987

Share of positive corona tests in early September: 40%

Too fast easing implemented after extremely mild spring wave

Heavy understaffing of the intensive care units

4. Spain (+224 per 1M)
Population: 46.9 million

Total number of infections 852,838, number of deaths: 32,225

Enlisted army to conduct heavily understaffed contact investigation

Unclear decentralized policy causing conflict

Summer vacation with many tourists and few rules

Political games

3. Czech Republic (+230 per 1M)
Population: 10.7 million

Total number of infections: 85,566, number of deaths 758

Goodbye corona parties with scrapped corona rules

A population that 'pretends that corona has disappeared'

Health minister resigned after corona blunders

Very little confidence in the government's expertise

2. Argentina (+279 per 1M)
Population: 44.5 million

Total number of infections: 809,728, number of deaths 21,428

Draconian down that has been going on for six months with a very severe economic crisis

Very sparse testing policy; more than 60% of corona tests are positive

Enormous popular anger against Alberto Fernández's left-wing government.

Despite the longest lock-down on earth, hospitals are still overloaded

1. Israel (+623 per 1M)
Population: 10 million

Total number of infections: 274,423, number of deaths 1,771

After hardly any infections in the spring, President Netanyahu declared the 'victory over corona'

No enforcement (and compliance) with basic rules, numerous exceptions for religious minority groups

No clear fall strategy

Upscaling test capacity and contact investigation failed completely

Escalations after 'escalation ladder' for corona rules at the regional level

Political games in the run-up to elections early next year

Massive protests against unclear and unfair corona policies

A quarter of the population has 'confidence' in the government's approach

Overloaded hospitals

-Climate collapse

"Delta" may become a cat 5 ? BPEarthWatch (why does his voice remind me of rum ?) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMbVxQKpmA8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMbVxQKpmA8 Remnants of "Gamma" may already bring lots of rain..(8.30 in the video also smoke coming from the western US "traditional" wildfires).

We here in NL may be record-makers in letting diseases out of control, the US may be world champion in wildfires [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/10/the-staggering-scale-of-californias.html[/url] or http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/10/the-staggering-scale-of-californias.html proberbly even beating larger countries like Russia, Canada...

WAR

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/intel-analysis-russia-has-one-week-to-act-or-face-destruction-by-usa-within-18-months[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/intel-analysis-russia-has-one-week-to-act-or-face-destruction-by-usa-within-18-months Since the US would not become the winner in a major war it is behind lots of smaller wars. This Armenia/Azerbaijan war seems to have two goals; 1-destroy a Russia-Iran land link 2-Introduce IS "freedom fighters for the CIA" closer to the Russia (Dagastan) and NW Iran border. From Azerbaijan-Baku does not know IS may take over the oil as payment for their killing in Armenia-they soon will learn-[url]https://sputniknews.com/asia/202010061080680389-all-you-need-to-know-about-protests-in-kyrgyzstan/[/url] or https://sputniknews.com/asia/202010061080680389-all-you-need-to-know-about-protests-in-kyrgyzstan/ Central Asia is open for our western backed, Gulf State wahabist/salafist paid "armed preachers of the Jihad"...

Will this become "a major issue"? Of course it will ! Russia, Iran and China can not accept a war by proxy with the real enemy being US/NATO, Israel and some Arab "royal dictatorships". An "Atlantic elite" is creating "a wall of wars"to stop EurAsian integration from Belarus to Afghanistan/China-India border. Russia-Iran-China can keep dealing with a "bunch of created small problems" or deal with the major problem (+NATO, Israel, Arab wahabist/salafist kingdoms). A US link to Armenia/Azerbaijan war [url]https://southfront.org/there-is-conspiracy-against-armenia/[/url] or https://southfront.org/there-is-conspiracy-against-armenia/ 

DJ-I like to be wrong !!!

-Trump will die of heart failure october 10 in "a white house" (no year=this year ?)

-Biden will die "in the month of his birth" (this november ?)

-There will show up-in a remote area-a far more agressive form of Covid19 that only could be contained due to showing up in that remote area (this year ?)

I myself will be very, very shocked if any of these "thoughts" became reality...

Music; Dutch/US Rock-Van Halen-Running With The Devil [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5txwFv-zYM[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5txwFv-zYM ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Halen[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Halen Eddie and Alex van Halen were born in Amsterdam, lived in Nijmegen-moved to the US in the 60's)



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-Are we on a global Titanic ? Did we now have hit several icebergs ? From the climate collapse, economic extreme inequality to now an exponential worsening Corona-crisis ? [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ reported over 343.000 new tested cases yesterday-october 7. Close to 6000 deaths.

Here in NL we are facing an explosion of cases and a "government" just watching it..What I do get is that in many places things are going wrong. In Spain they wear facemasks almost all the time-but not at home and that is where grandchildren infect grandparents. In Argentina there is almost a six month lockdown but NO contact tracing. Many countries-including the top 4 US, India, Brazil, Russia seem to hope for some herd-immunity. 

Yesterday Peak Prosperity had a video on masks-claiming wearing a mask would give you a lower viral load-if infected- wich would result in some form of immunity. Also Dr. John Campbell seem to believe Covid19 will act as a flu-virus-they may be wrong. My impression-with my very, very limited medical knowledge-is that this Covid19 spreads like a corona-cold virus-very little herd immunity.

I hope I am wrong-that much better educated, trained healthcare professionals do realize the difference between a corona- and a flu-virus.

-Dr. J.C. also in his video's is very optimistic on treatments, hospitalcare etc. The problem is that when this virus goes exponential hospitals/health care face an impossible job. They will simply be overrun. Due to illness already-in NL-care has severe staff shortages-already. We already made deals with Germany so their hospitals can take Dutch patients...again just like in spring. 

The outcome of our "government"s plan to come with a reaction on the sharp increase of infections after the weekend may result in thousends of extra deaths. In some places 0.1% of the population tested positive in just two days. Over 12% of the tests are positive (WHO rules should be <3% above that there are not enough tests done). There is a delay of several days in testresults coming back. 

-I did expect the second wave to hit much harder then the first wave-maybe for the wrong reason of the virus being much more widespread. Somehow the R0 numbers do not fit with the statistics-while they should be based on those statistics. One thing going wrong is that Covid19-statistics to much focus on the virus since human (in)action is much harder to put in statistics. 

-Already a bit older link [url]https://www.wur.nl/en/Research-Results/Research-Institutes/Bioveterinary-Research/show-bvr/COVID-19-detected-on-two-mink-farms.htm[/url] or https://www.wur.nl/en/Research-Results/Research-Institutes/Bioveterinary-Research/show-bvr/COVID-19-detected-on-two-mink-farms.htmFurther investigation of the increasing number of infected mink farms has shown that many of the employees surveyed were infected with coronavirus (more than 50 percent). Building blocks of the virus determined that this virus was similar to the virus that was circulating in the mink on the farm. On this basis, it can be concluded that many of these people are very likely to be directly or indirectly infected by the mink.

DJ-With more (human)cases more (other) animals will get infected. Since this virus started in an animal jumping to humans-zoönotic-(as the most accepted theory) this virus spreading/mutating in other then human species is a very major risk. 

-Most of what I write above is based on common sense, again I only have a very limited history background. But when you feel it is not complete non-sense why are experts that blind ? They advise politicians-usual not the most stupid people around...they have brains as well. In the (vice)presidential US debate yesterday again "economy versus health" false contradiction-good health is a good economy ! (And Trump is living on steroids-it would be a miracle if he did feel anything else than "just great".)

WAR

Armenia started hitting Azerbaijan oil installations [url]https://southfront.org/armenians-fight-back-azerbaijani-advance/[/url] or https://southfront.org/armenians-fight-back-azerbaijani-advance/  this was a red line for Turkey-they may start now a direct war with Armenia...wich then brings Russia to act. (As most likely was the NATO-plan-to build a wall-of-wars around Russia-Iran-China). 

Of course Turkey is NATO. Russia-Iran-China (RIC) may get the idea a war is the only outcome-or surrender to "the west" going after all energy sources. One goal of RIC is to break up NATO-Turkey did already do a lot of damage, the endless US wars also did make NATO-ever moving east-very popular. Europe's interests are not US interests v.v., we all should know a next major global war will be our last war..

Climate collapse

BPEarthWatch on Delta [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5usawgWhBs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5usawgWhBs 

Of course there are more storms [url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/potential-cyclonic-storm-in-bay-of-bengal-may-threaten-eastern-india/825937[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/potential-cyclonic-storm-in-bay-of-bengal-may-threaten-eastern-india/825937 and [url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/typhoon-chan-hom-churns-closer-to-japan/825319[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/typhoon-chan-hom-churns-closer-to-japan/825319 

As extra risks-there is a relation between earthquakes and hurricanes-since (large) hurricanes move extreme amounts of water over seismic plates. Of course also storms (or wars-Armenia has a nuclear plant) and nuclear reactors are not "the best combination. (Fukushima as a story is "old news" still leaking, spreading radio-activity-but we do need another-maybe even bigger "nuclear event"! Do we ? )

Music; Lenney Krevitz flying away [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvuL5jyCHOw[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvuL5jyCHOw 

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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

. In Argentina there is almost a six month lockdown but NO contact tracing.  


Early on in the pandemic, Argentina seemed to be doing very well keeping its numbers low while across the Andes the pandemic in Chile seemed to be out of control. But since August Argentina seems to have lost control, and so far this month it is by far the worst country in terms of per-capita deaths (reporting 117 / million, whereas Peru has only reported 16/ million and the USA 15 / million).


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-Are we on a global Titanic ? Did we now have hit several icebergs ? From the climate collapse, economic extreme inequality to now an exponential worsening Corona-crisis ? [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ reported over 343.000 new tested cases yesterday-october 7. Close to 6000 deaths.

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Techno-for those apocalyptic horses; The Osmonds - Crazy Horses [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXcj8dFOd1E[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXcj8dFOd1E   

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-For what it is worth statistics going up [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ almost 350.000 new cases yesterday, almost 6500 deaths...Most likely India will take over the #1 position from the US this month. Argentina and Colombia will reach their 1 million cases in 10 to 14 days at this speed. 

The big problem behind those numbers is in logistics, infections/deaths in healthcareworkers etc. a society unable to function. Economic collapse-as a result of half measures-Argentina already has a (far from perfect) lockdown-but very limited testing/tracing-for months is on its way in many countries. A rich country like Israel or the US can face very serious problems due to a mix of Covid19, political unrest and other factors, natural disasters, wars, other illnesses...

Are we facing "the apocalypse"? "WE" decide on that-do we ? There are no "gods" to blame, we create our own destruction or survival. 

-Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0RtXqSPnis[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0RtXqSPnis 

-Delirium as an effect of Covid19 in the old (DJ and vulnarable, people with ADD etc ?), 1 in 3 does not have the usual symptoms like cough for 1 in 5 delirium may be the only sign of Covid19 infection.

-US data on hospitalizations is two weeks old. Did trump recover from Covid19 via anti-body medication and a mega-mix of medication/supplements ? (DJ-If he did what does that signal..there is a working treatment for the president but not for the normal patient ?) Masks, field-hospitals all part of a "political/tribe-war" in stead of dealing with a pandemic.

-Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWYol9LHfH4[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWYol9LHfH4 Does a flu-shot protect against Covid19 ? A look at statistics from people in Europe 65+ that did get a flu-vaccination in 2019 does not give a clear view. May not be the best study.

Heterologus immunity may be a factor-immunity against one disease influences (positive OR negative) immunity against (some) other diseases. There can be a risk for auto-immune reaction (if confronted with a new disease) DJ-this makes things very complex. Yes maybe the flu-shot may help to protect against covid19 but may increase the risks for all kind of auto-immune diseases as well. 

A US military study on military that did get the flu-shot showed an increase of them getting a corona-(cold)virus infection. DJ-did they get a cold because they did not get the flu ? Does this mean a flu-shot increases the risks for Covid19 ? DJ-This vaccination was in the "young and strong". Another US study did not see any relationship (positive or negative) between the flu-shot and Covid19. 

-The 2019/20 flu season was very weak-the coming flu season may also be weak due to masks, social distancing etc. like it now is in the southern half of the globe. 

-PP/CM did his last video on masks-it did get a lot of "political"comments. PP/CM goes on on boosting immunity.

DJ-Maybe I should stress neither this site or the links to you tube provide anything else than (medical) information. 

Climate

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3zn63JdiCk[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3zn63JdiCk BPEarthWatch on Delta-one of the several major storms. Delta will do a lot of damage in the US. BPEarthwatch;

-Not all models agree on how this Delta may develop further-there can be surprises

-Allready rain in southern US means trees will top over more easy

-Another storm developing south of Cuba (and another far away on the Atlantic). DJ-That circulating depression south of western Cuba may be something to watch.

Lots of parts of the globe see extreme rains or droughts. Food production and logistics is becoming a major problem. If you do not have enough to eat, safe drinking water, you may end up much more vulnarable for Covid19 and other diseases. This in itself does increase risks for new pandemics. 

[url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/10/nature-bats-last-show-october-6-2020.html[/url] or http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/10/nature-bats-last-show-october-6-2020.html

WAR

DJ-[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/now-our-battle-is-in-azerbaijan-syrian-imam-recruits-people-to-fight-in-karabakh-video/[/url] or https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/now-our-battle-is-in-azerbaijan-syrian-imam-recruits-people-to-fight-in-karabakh-video/ The Caucasus war may have Kurds on Armenia side, IS/ (sunni)jihadi's on Azerbaijan side. Turkey and the US did fly IS from Afghanistan to Libya. IS has been active in the Pacific, southern Africa. Since Arab gulf states fund these terrorists, the CIA uses them does the US actively spread wars around the globe ? 

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/arm-yourselves-and-prepare-china-massing-tens-of-thousands-of-troops-in-prince-rupert-and-vancouver-canada-invade-usa[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/arm-yourselves-and-prepare-china-massing-tens-of-thousands-of-troops-in-prince-rupert-and-vancouver-canada-invade-usa 

DJ-I take this story with very much salt-not very serious-I hope. China may ask countries to allow security companies from China to do some protection on Chinese investment sites in those countries. Most likely that will be unarmed people doing checks at entrences etc, checking on the site itself-nothing more. 

Still-Russia-Iran-China (RIC)etc. (Pakistan, Venezuela, North Korea, Syria, Iraq) may get tired of the endless US wars at their borders. If the US goal is to continu those wars for ever RIC may decide to "deal"with those wars. Turkey has to make a choice-does it want to work with RIC or war with RIC. 

(More) music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lumKkSk2A3s[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lumKkSk2A3s music from the middle ages...


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Today is 10-10-20-20 see if a crazy date gives a crazy day...

Covid19

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ almost 360.000 new cases in just one day...

Peak Prosperity/Chris Martenson a few months ago was talking about "a fourth turning" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory DJ-The incompetence a lot of governments show in this pandemic has to do with political systems that are rotten to the roots. A "democracy" becoming "ignorupt" and "fraudocracy" in wich money has the final word. MP's have to follow orders of those that fund political parties (of course that funding is always a hidden secret-may go indirect). 

Dr. John Campbell on such a fraud "Great Barrington Declaration" signed by science-for-sale types PP/CM did find earlier to create fake-science. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lSmSWx6kjA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lSmSWx6kjA With all respect for Dr. Bananas who studied at "mamma's university" this insane corrupt lobby group "to protect the economy" is the same kind of "science" that claim smoking is good and love CO2 (because climat change is fake). 

On this forum this group of idiots already get more words then they deserve. Yes there are very serious socio-economic impacts of NPI-the point is widespread Covid19 will be worse. Since numbers are going up it should be clear money did win from science yet again...

DJ-Dr.J.C. stays very polite-but mentions exponential growth of infections = millions of deaths. Because young people can get ill and will spread the virus in other agegroups. I (DJ) do not agree with herd immunity being effective with corona-virusses. If there is a herd-immunity effect it would show up in places that did get high numbers in spring and are seeing massive numbers again now. B-cell (antibodies)immunity seems to be not very long lasting-T-cell immunity does not show up in statistics-maybe not widespread enough to have an effect ? 

Dr.J.C. at the end also mentions Mr.trump. This mad is claiming "anti body treatment worked for me-so it must work for all" is not science but "inductive thinking instead of deductive thinking". Maybe-for the short term-anti body treatment (just like being infected) may show some effect. (And in SARS-1 there seems to be long term immunity since 2003). For Mr.trump we have to see how it works out...

Dr. John Campbell had another video on those that still have health-issues after months since getting infected. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7-pLxvf9dk[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7-pLxvf9dk 

DJ-There are lots of (often ignored) stories of people not getting over a-often mild-infection. When you did spent weeks on ICU one would expect there is need for revalidation, not so in "mild" infections-also in young people. 

-A JAMA-study has two groups >3 weeks=post acute Covid and >12weeks=chronic Covid (dr. J.C. also mentions long term health effects showed up in SARS1 and MERS both also COrona VIrus Diseases)

-BBC survey complaints are crippling fatigue, muscle, joint, chest pain, cough, breatlessness, loss of smell/taste, bad eyesight/hearing, haertbeat-overdrive if in excercise, headache, organ damage, (and in a result) depression (DJ-Reminds me of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_fatigue_syndrome[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_fatigue_syndrome sometimes also called  ME, Chronic Fatigue Immunity Dysfunction Syndrome C-FIDS (sometimes comparable to Acquired Immune Dysfunction Syndrome DJ-For the story if long term healthissues of Covid19 infection may mean Immune Dysfunction we have another major long term problem !) other complaints are brain-fog/derealization.

-There may not be enough data yet to see what number of people are dealing with long term effects of Covid19 and if that pattern is showing major differences from other infections and ICU care. There are some indications that younger people may have less long term healthissues. Also the more severe the initial infection the more likely long term healt problems.

-One idea is that pockets of virus do remain in (parts of) the body causing long term health problems

-People with diabetes are more vulnarable, but Covid19 also can increase risk for diabetes 1. Immune reaction may damage the pancreas-an autoimmune disease is the outcome (in this case diabetes1)

-Covid19 can cause immune problems, with both under-reaction=less defense against infections and over-reaction=auto-immune diseases, people getting very ill from mild infections

-Damage in organs, brain, bloodvessels/clotting etc. (MRI-scans)

-Large studies are going on/sitll need to get started-may be to early.

DJ-With this kind of (possible) damage and exponential growth risks even the idea of going for herd immunity is insane. 

WAR

[url]https://southfront.org/nagorno-karabakh-the-multipolar-conflict/[/url] or https://southfront.org/nagorno-karabakh-the-multipolar-conflict/ DJ-Russia did reach a cease fire. The idea of Russian-Turkish cooperation in the area-just like in Syria-may be working. 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/europe-and-the-new-sanctions-on-iran.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/europe-and-the-new-sanctions-on-iran.html  The strenght of the EU may be in not being united to much, the weakness of the US is trying to unite to much. A major reason why even a country as France thinks of restarting an empire has to do with the US "sinking in a swamp" of endless wars, broken treaties and corruption. The two candidates for next US preseident remind me of the Soviet elite producing "leaders" that were also very old. 

Climate

Delta may be the first major Greek Alphabet(a) "letter named" major hurricane-it may not be the last. 

Music

Eve of the war [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Poii8JAbtng[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Poii8JAbtng War of the Worlds

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-The coronacrisis is more and more becoming a political crisis. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ The US, Brazil, India did see higher number of cases in the past-the fast growth of new cases is in Europe and (other) Latin American countries. Since in a lot of places the number of positive tests is (far) above the 5% the real number of cases will be even (much) higher. 

Still one strategy seems to be to go for the-insane-idea of creating herd immunity against a corona-virus. A second strategy is based on hope a vaccine will make a difference-somewere in 2021. The only working strategy-to deny the virus room to move-like China , New Zealand used "would do to much economic damage". 

This insanity-health versus the economy-while an economy only can be based on reasonable health in the population-is creating far more economic damage. 

Politicians did derail dealing with this pandemic from the start. Claiming it was a hoax then trying a health versus economy question they delay solutions at the costs of hundreds of thousends-if not millions of deaths. 

The outcome is the destruction of the economy. Certainly Latin America may face such an outcome. Not only Brazil, but also countries like Argentina, Colombia, Peru and Mexico will reach the over 1 million cases this month. 

In a fast changing world, economic and political instability will increase. Russia and China will offer help-all at a cost. The US is in a political crisis that will not be over soon. 

WAR or not ? 

-[url]https://www.debka.com/lebanons-dep-c-of-s-brig-yassin-to-lead-maritime-talks-with-israel/[/url] or https://www.debka.com/lebanons-dep-c-of-s-brig-yassin-to-lead-maritime-talks-with-israel/ Lebanon needs mediterranean oil-therefor it has to make some kind of agreement-not peace-with Israel. 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/the-ceasefire-in-nagorno-karabakh-is-unlikely-to-hold.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/the-ceasefire-in-nagorno-karabakh-is-unlikely-to-hold.html Both Azerbaijan and Armenia know they can not win this war-further fighting will be at high costs. Azerbaijan made its point-most likely will hope that talks will bring some sort of solution. Armenia may now be willing to take talks more serious-or face another escalation. 

In both conflicts Turkey/ Erdogan did loose what he hoped to gain. Turkey wants oil. Azerbaijan only was able to start the war with Turkish "help". Part of that "help" were shipments of sunni jihadi's sponsored by Gulf terrorist states-good NATO "friends". Turkey-like in Syria will use those "jihadi's"to put pressure on Azerbaijan. 

The underlying conflicts are far from over. US/NATO and wahabist/salafist "kingdoms" (often with good relations with European kingdoms) versus Iran. There is a struggle over domination over the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) between Saudi Arabia c.s. , Turkey and Iran. That conflict is an old conflict-a new solution may come from China.

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-shedding-light-limits-chinese-power[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-shedding-light-limits-chinese-power DJ-Some claim China did not realize that "A new silk road" did mean moving into a geo-strategic competition. I do not agree with that view. 

-1 China has allies in Russia, Pakistan, Iran, Venezuela. It is not doing this job on its own. -2 The US is at the end of the road with its endless wars strategy. Leaving behind a power vacuum giving China AND its allies room to move. -3 The idea of a global new silk road is to create a win-win situation both for China and its partners. Looking at the facts Russia may be the military arm of that plan-other countries will take up there role soon. 

This pandemic-in wich China may have found a NPI strategy to get out of the pandemic, both Russia and China have vaccines and capabilities for large scale intervention/treatments is leaving the west empty handed. 

The US may start another Asian NATO with Japan, Australia and India I (DJ) do not believe the last three countries will go far to "keep the US #1" at their own cost. 

Mr.trump again as US president may even be enough for most of Europe. There was an international belief in diplomacy translating in treaties-maybe not the best but there was no alternative. Mr.trump decided the US always should get it the US way-or put sanctions even on European allies. That is not how it works. Even Israel-a US protectorate-knows the world is larger then the US. 

-Another Covid-global aspect is the drop in demand for fossil fuel. Both the US and Gulf-IS supporters see clients move to more reasonable partners. With that the basis for the US-petro-$ is dropping. Further damaging the US. 

DJ-I would like to underline the US is the biggest enemy of the US, breaking treaties, putting sanctions on allies, becoming #1 oil producer by pushing Saudi Arabia from the market and NOT dealing with Covid19 in a clever way is US decisions not done by Russia, Iran or China . They use the oppertunities it offers-but can you blame them for that ? It is not the world's job to "make america great again" !

-The Corona global health crisis will not be under control very soon. Some claim summer 2021 will see vaccines make a change. DJ-If so those vaccines most likely will be from Russia, China, maybe India-able to produce on a very large scale, get logistics in place, export them for free around the globe. (Pfizer has a vaccine that needs storage at -100F/-68C even with freeze-boxes for transport there is a limit in what that can mean. But it will need a global effort if vaccines can make a difference-vaccinating billions of people). 

DJ-As with herd immunity a vaccine requires a longer lasting immune response. Both SARS1 and MERS show there may be immunity for reinfection. The other side of this so far there were no vaccines against corona-virusses (mainly because there was no demand-big enough to invest billions-corona virus was linked with colds that only did give limited health risks). 

At the moment we face hospitals being overrun by Covid patients. In some countries (India, Brazil, Israel, Colombia) there already is a major health crisis, others soon will follow. This means that the number of deaths may explode due to lack of hospital capacity. 

HCW-ers get infected still quite a lot-wich means less care while demand explodes. There may be better treatments but the infrastructure to provide them may collapse. This may happen this month...

DJ-I was wrong in trump dying from heart faillure 10-10-2020 (allthough I did not mention a year) proving I can and will be wrong often. Just like in climate change in this Covid19 crisis there are lots of unknown factors. One question is why most of Africa is seeing-as it seems-so little cases. 

Dr. John Campbell with lots of news [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axbsErEDkNg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axbsErEDkNg 

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-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ shows an up going trendline-both in cases and in deaths.

-About 18,5 million cases in the America's, close to 18 million cases in Eur-Asia. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/ shows also population growth (model based) and government spending. 

-We are supposed to reach a global population of 8 billion by 2023. 

-Eur-Asia has a population of 5,4 billion, the America's just over a billion. 

On "corona deaths" ;

The statistics often only count tested Covid deaths. It excludes still borns increase, people dying from not getting vaccination or treatment for-under normal circumstances-treatable diseases. Also the number of people dying from cancer, diabetes, malaria is going up-due to the fight against Cavid. I think it would be reasonable to double the number of deaths caused by this pandemic when you look at the indirect deaths. Yes-flu deaths, other infectious diseases may spread slower-famine may soon kill faster...

-A Medlife Crisis video; COVID: Where science goes to die [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7leWXMr3ayk[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7leWXMr3ayk using "science as a man-made "god" with absolute facts-based on non peer reviewed pre-prints. (Masks do not work that is why we need them for health care workers, smokers do better at Covid19 because their lungs and hearth may already be damaged..)

"Politics" select the scientists they can use for their agenda and then "base their decisions on science"-end of discussion...

-[url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/10/hundreds-of-thousands-of-mink-are-dying.html[/url] or http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/10/hundreds-of-thousands-of-mink-are-dying.html  Humans do get infection from minks-in NL already several cases. Now in the US Covid spreading in minks ? 

-While politics seem to be out of idea's-lying we can go back to "the old normal", travel agencies are trying to sell international (air) travel-again-as safe-for Christmas/New Year more clever people start creating their own-limited social bubbles to "sit out the storm".

Here in NL the "first wave" started in spring with people returning from Austria/Italy for their "winter break". Our government could and should have known the risk but did not stop it. Our "second wave" came from Spain and France during the summer-again government wanted a "healthy economy" more then a healthy population. By now most countries did close their borders-still Austria, Greece do welcome tourists. People with double nationalities can go to Turkey-if they have also a Turkish pasport. Israel welcomes Israeli's from around the globe..

The groundwork for a third wave is being made while we are still at the early start of the second wave. A lot of hospital cases in NL have a migration background. In an earlier Belgian study-finding similar results-travel history and smell housing for large families were two main ingredients. (A lot of Somali, Afghan refugees in NL have now family in the UK, Germany, France-with at best limited border control the virus will keep spreading..)

Climate collapse

[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/tropical-depression-on-collision-course-with-eastern-india/829334[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/tropical-depression-on-collision-course-with-eastern-india/829334 extreme weather is a major risk for food production and distribution. A starving population does increase other global healthrisks-certainly in combination with less vaccinations, a pandemic out of control. 

WAR

So far-no major new wars did start. Netanyahu would like to get a war started with Iran-with the US doing most of the fighting. A majority of Israeli's want Netanyahu in prison for corruption. trump would like to "contain China" and stop "Russian agression" maybe a look at a map could inform him these two countries have a long border. The USI (US-Saudi-family-Israel) coalition is "not strong". NATO is divided to its roots-with Turkey having the second largest, France the third largest army of NATO-both-like the US-going for their own agenda's. 

Yesterday I did write "It is not the worlds job to make america great again."-somehow the US did seem to see that in another way...

China did get Covid19 under control. Both Russia and China are testing their vaccines against Covid19 around the globe-for now they may become "the winners"in a race that should not be there. Both Russia and China may offer vaccines "for free" to "partners".  The US is still going for profit-US companies may be willing to go for delivery at production costs during a pandemic-but not share the methods of producing hindering mass production. 

An India pharm giant in my eyes had a realistic story on vaccinations-the global population all being vaccinated may need years-2024 would be optimistic. Still that long term view is missing in "politics"..

Music; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e04n3W5OobY[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e04n3W5OobY another Dutch one-the Maywood twins-Mother how are you today.. 


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DJ,

The basics of climate change is very simple-if you change the ingredients you get a different atmosphere...Dealing with a pandemic in basic is very simple-get the virus out and keep it out ! China is trying to do so, New Zealand seems to be succesfull...a lot of other countries make a very simple basic strategy into a complicated disaster.

[url]https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-how-5-viral-lines-of-defense-prevent-a-lockdown/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-how-5-viral-lines-of-defense-prevent-a-lockdown/ gives the basics and shows-with lots of data, maps etc, what countries are doing wrong.

1-communication-make ONE simple clear story of what you expect people to do, social distancing, masks, hygiene

2-testing-the more the better, people that work in situations that they may spread the disease more=more testing for them. A positive test=isolation for two weeks.

3-contact tracing-to deal with clusters you will have to go after those clusters

4-make a plan if these 3 steps do not stop the spread enough, what steps will be usefull for wich region

5-last defense is (hospital) care

Since the Dutch situation-very bad-shows a government can do things wrong in ALL of the five steps; 

-The virus is a risk for all generations/agegroups. Giving more room to the young will mean the vires will spread to older people later on. If a virus does not kill you it still may do a lot of harm. PP/CM also has same basic rules-but they would also say; close the borders-keep an outbreak as contained as possible-and tell the people why you-as a government-are doing so !

A government has much more information, expertise than most citizens. "Intelligent lockdowns" do not work-not because of "stupid people" but the government did not provide intelligence-came with an unclear mixed story.

-Testing is still a major problem, contact tracing in NL forget it....if you are able to get tested and results within a week you are lucky. Here we do not test you if you do not show symptoms...with 40% a/pre-symptomatic spread (at best) that is stupid !

-We do have names for scenario's; worrysome, serious-and that is it-no relation with steps that follow [url]https://coronadashboard.government.nl/over-risiconiveaus[/url] or https://coronadashboard.government.nl/over-risiconiveaus it is empty...

-And the last step-we are just at the beginning and-due to spending cuts and the first wave-hospital care already is in a problem. Somehow the Dutch government missed training an IC-nurse takes 18 months, people want a decent salary if they do a hard risky job, make long days...In the first wave Germany was willing to share its-much better- IC capacity-this time they need it for themselves. 

DJ-Let me be very clear. Our government is blaming its population for their faillures. Other countries blame China etc. it only makes matters worse. 

Somehow a lot of people do not get exponential growth; also very simple doubling of something during a certain timespan. If cases double per day;

day 1=1

day 2=2

day 3=4

day 4=8

day 5=16

day 6=32

day 7=64

day 8=128

day 9=256 etc. 

DJ-I was never the most clever one at school, but if I get we have a problem why does our government NOT get that notion ? 

In spring there was a distribution in cases-something like 80% mild-20% would need hospital care. Of those 1 in 4 would need ICU. When you look at hospital/ICU capacity you can see when "the water comes over the dyke"...more or less next month for NL. 

DJ-Just like climate change can kill us all-and if there is not enough action WILL kill us all a pandemic-out of control can do a whole lot of destruction. A basic mistake is the "idea of herd immunity against a corona virus"-I did not see herd immunity stop the spreading of common colds during winter...

Another excuse for stupidity and inaction is "we will have a vaccine" DJ-NO WE WILL NOT HAVE A VACCINE !!!!! Not on a large enough scale to make a major difference anyway !

The only global scenario seems to be the worst case scenario "to save the economy"....DJ-For every Covid death there may already be another extra non-covid death. Due to slow down of vaccinations, less care for other illnesses etc. 

The lack of will to understand a very basic risk, very basic steps can give a "[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds[/url] "or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds scenario only with us as the Martians....

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse Is the logical outcome of such a scenario. With climate change going exponential it may mean the end...

A society collapse scenario; 1-pandemic create social unrest, 2-lack of good communication creates division-economy versus health non-sense, 3-while cases explode social division explodes as well, 4-care-crash=government crash-cities may get out of control, 5-food production and distribution, water problems become an international issue, 5-gang rule-in some area's local initiatives to grow food, 6-in a positive scenario-like after the plague 14th century-recovery DJ-in our situation 21st century-drought, storms, floods, heatwaves, wildfires have become unmanageble since they require international cooperation, organized states, long term planning. 

DJ-On a global scale we may be between step 3 and 4. Trust in governments is lost, not only in the average citizens also in most of health care. A lot of politicians start realizing they have become governing a non-reality..the gap with the real world has widened to much. 

Is there a way out ? YES ! Governments need to do their job-stop blaming start acting ! Deal with the pandemic (and deal with the climate change). Climate change can help to find long term solutions-there is a very limited future for clean electronic aviation. Mobility should be limited to stop virus spread and airpolution, noise...Reduction in population growth is risk reduction. 

Be realistic-do not expect "summer will make this virus go away by magic" ! This virus will be a long term problem and already did a major lot of damage. The world did change due to Covid19-maybe even more than World Wars did bring change...

Can things get even worse ? Depends-if the choice would be a slow death via a pandemic or dying high speed in a modern global war the answer is NO. (DJ-IF governments keep failing to fight the pandemic the pandemic wins. In that scenario I rather go in a flash then see our world sinking in a swamp the coming months...)

Music; The times are changing...[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ

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DJ-While most western countries keep failing to deal with the pandemic China did find an outbreak in Qingdao sunday-managed already to get 3 million people tested-results in of 1.1 million people...[url]https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-13/Chinese-mainland-reports-6-local-cases-in-Shandong-in-latest-outbreak-Uy0WBFrMnm/index.html[/url] or https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-13/Chinese-mainland-reports-6-local-cases-in-Shandong-in-latest-outbreak-Uy0WBFrMnm/index.html 

But of course "China is a dictatorship" we are much better of with "a freedom to spread the virus"....

In NL the exponential numbers/pattern is very clear-with government not even thinking of serious action to deal with a major crisis;

first 11 days of september NL had 850 infections per day

second 11 days of september NL did see 1684 cases per day

till october 1 it went to 3000  cases per day

the latest numbers till october 12th did see 6155 cases per day....

SO

what to expect-if no serious steps are taken to stop it...over 12.000 cases per day by october 22,

then 24.000 new cases PER DAY early november...

These simple statistics also go for hospital cases-only the numbers are more recent

september 9 did see 153 covid-cases in hospital in NL,

september 20 the number was 344, 

october 1 number did get to 691,

october 12 did see 1298 Dutch cases in hospital...doubling every around 11 days...

Simple calculation-october 23 around 2500 cases=20% of Dutch normal hospital capacity,

with an average of six days between infections and first symptoms-and five days between first symptoms and hospital a certain percentage of people getting infected now will be in hospital october 24. 

In the beginning of november we may see 5000 people in Dutch hospitals-40% of hospital capacity meaning they have to stop 75% of the other work hospitals do (resulting in death, more severe damage to non-Covid patients).

There is a very real risk of HCW-ers getting infected themselves. Contact tracing did stop in NL, above 6000 cases per day our healthservice is not able to contact infected cases to give instructions...Our -NATIONAL-ICU-capacity is still 1250 beds-if 1-in-4 of the early november 5000 cases would need ICU we are at a 100% capacity-only for covid19...there are in a normal situation several hundreds other patients on ICU...postponing operations can bring some reduction-but triage for ICU is a very likely scenario within one month for NL. 

Since measures now will show up in results in hospital cases over 10-11 days-and our government and media still underestimate the situation-still are unable to deal with exponential numbers one can be certain the first week of november will see over 5000 hospital cases in NL. The problem in exponential explosions is that 10.000 cases in hospital by the middle of november=80% of normal capacity-yes one can bring in extra beds, the army-there is some stretch-will criple society...there is no room left if it goes to 10.000 cases... 

DJ-I use numbers from [url]https://www.gelderlander.nl/binnenland/hoe-een-golf-een-tsunami-wordt-de-nietsontziende-wiskunde-achter-het-virus~ae8dd1e2/[/url] or https://www.gelderlander.nl/binnenland/hoe-een-golf-een-tsunami-wordt-de-nietsontziende-wiskunde-achter-het-virus~ae8dd1e2/ -I find it hard to believe we "only would have 6000 hospital beds" in NL-in the article they mention "care capacity". In spring we managed to get to 1700 beds ICU capacity for all of NL. 

The basic point is there are limits to hospital/ICU capacity. Revalidation of patients recovering from Covid19 is already overstretched...

Just in the news a 89 year old women in NL died after reinfection with Covid19...one can expect numbers of reinfections going up-antibody immunity only last two-three months...[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/12/new-covid-restrictions-last-step-lockdown-restaurants-closed-tight-report[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/12/new-covid-restrictions-last-step-lockdown-restaurants-closed-tight-report simply will not do the job needed to do..

DJ-A lot of countries are in more or less the same scenario as NL. Politics FAIL ! Testing capacity, contact tracing, communications fail-and some politicians blame their citizens or China...

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-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ the nice thing of statistics is that it creates the feeling of "being in control"...the bad thing often is that feeling may still be there when things get out of control...

With all kind of (close to) "semi" lockdowns to get a grip on this pandemic the economic damage is also growing. It is the poor that pay the highest price. If they have to go in isolation in a three-room appartment with also children in the household it is a much different story then when a more wealthier household in a much larger house faces social isolation/distancing. 

One of the reasons why it is very hard to get a grip on the virus is there are many (very) poor households on this globe. Another reason is rich people often think Covid19 is not their problem. 

The most likely cause of this pandemic-a virus jumping from a bat to a human in China last year became a global problem in a few steps. Chinese workers-returning from China after the Chinese New Year-to Italy (to make design fashion made in Italy by Chinese) to Italy did start a major outbreak there. (There were also smaller clusters in Germany-tire-traders from Munich did get infected by doing trade with China). The Italian outbreak went to ski-resorts in Austria-was picked up by tourists...

Most likely there were many spread events in the first two months of this year all around the globe. Virusses fly for free...

If you know how you got into a problem it may show you a way out of a problem...It would be wise to stop international (air) travel for a few months. 

Governments did choose to save airliners while shutting down other parts of the economy. When there are several holes in the dyke closing a few holes while leaving the others open you do not stop flooding...

Since a major health crisis IS a political crisis it may be a good time to start a 

WAR

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/bulletin-iran-fires-artillery-and-missiles-at-azerbaijan[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/bulletin-iran-fires-artillery-and-missiles-at-azerbaijan DJ-The Azerbaijan/Turkish attack on Armenia is not an isolated incident somewere between Iran and Russia. 

(I limit the links) [url]https://southfront.org/turkey-threatens-armenia-with-direct-military-intervention/[/url] or https://southfront.org/turkey-threatens-armenia-with-direct-military-intervention/ and [url]https://southfront.org/russian-military-officials-warn-militants-in-syria-preparing-another-false-flag-chemical-attack/[/url] or https://southfront.org/russian-military-officials-warn-militants-in-syria-preparing-another-false-flag-chemical-attack/ 

The Caucasus war is part of a "wall of wars" from Belarus-Ukraine to the India-China border. Also no incident..Turkey is a main player partly playing a double game, in part also playing its own game-that may go wrong. The US-India-Australia-Japan coalition the US hopes to create against China, the US-Saudi-Israel USI coalition against Iran, NATO versus Russia is becoming more and more a time bomb. 

In part it does not matter who's side you are on-you do not want that bomb to explode to avoid [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/hmmmm-dod-conducts-test-alert-for-incoming-tells-recipients-to-seek-shelter[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/hmmmm-dod-conducts-test-alert-for-incoming-tells-recipients-to-seek-shelter 

Another story [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/aiding-and-abetting-treason-murder-war-crimes-treachery-so-foul-there-aren-t-even-words-to-describe-it-the-u-s-knew-where-osama-bin-laden-was-before-going-to-war-in-afghanistan-to-get-him-it-was-the-u-s-that-arranged-for-him-to-hide[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/aiding-and-abetting-treason-murder-war-crimes-treachery-so-foul-there-aren-t-even-words-to-describe-it-the-u-s-knew-where-osama-bin-laden-was-before-going-to-war-in-afghanistan-to-get-him-it-was-the-u-s-that-arranged-for-him-to-hide  (DJ-In part it is an anti-biden campain, for me I am not convinced Iran would hide osama-bin-laden-being a member of a Sunni-Saudi bussiness family-this story is just a tip of one of many icebergs that started "endless" US wars).

Climate Collapse

[url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/10/high-temperatures-october-2020.html[/url] or http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/10/high-temperatures-october-2020.html high temperatures is stronger storms, bigger wildfires, more flooding, more droughts, more food-production problems, more starvation, more illnesses, DJ-also very alarming-may we see an Arctic Sea Ice low in october ????-that would mean even less ice forming in the coming winter-a Blue Ocean Event (BOE) in 2021 ?

DJ-A fossil fuel based economy getting out of control and believing that is progress may be a major misconception.

Peak Prosperity/Chris Martenson may have some info...I [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbGG79WGmu4[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbGG79WGmu4 (DJ) do not agree with some of his idea's (on herd immunity, HCQ is unclear..but I also do not agree with Hal Turners extreme right wing views-but sometimes he has good info. I do not agree with BPEarthWatch's view on climate change but he is very good in info on hurricanes)

-PP/CM His "case definition" is becoming criminal-in many countries still people only get tested with symptoms, hospitals/ICU are close to crisis..

-A "WHO" official is NOT all of the WHO making another U-turn on lockdowns PP/CM goes for "saving the economy"-his story did change the last few months

-It is nice there are better treatments-but when demand is far larger than capacity forget about treatments..

DJ-sorry to say PP/CM this episode is garbage...non-sense 

Music; Brenda Lee-I'm Sorry [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLR25EJtfE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLR25EJtfE 

As an extra [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHUCV_EDOFI[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHUCV_EDOFI Mark Felton has a lot of short history stories on YouTube worth watching. nazi-germany was preparing to use V1 and V2 missiles against New York...they were also working on the V4-an intercontinental missile etc...


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A pandemic mess...

At the end of january China did put a srtrict isolation policy on Wuhan to get a grip on the outbreak in that city. To do so police/army and medical staff from allover China were mobilized. They did build two large emergency hospitals. That strategy did work well enough to get a grip and keep other following outbreaks limited and shortlived. 

Today we may face "Wuhan scenario's" all over some countries. Not one city or region with a pandemic "out of control" but large parts of several countries. A strict lockdown-with use of police of army is becoming impossible-there is not enough police/staff in the country itself while neighbour states face the same problem...

Fantasies on "herd immunity" and severe shortage of testing created false statistics. No control on infectious people did mean the virus is spreading much faster then these states can handle. 

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ the record number of over 381.000 new cases in just one day may be an UNDERCOUNT !!!!!!

A lack of willinhness to face reality, a lack of understanding of exponential growth, basing policies on incorrect statistics-creating R0 numbers that did not have any relation with reality did bring us in a pandemic mess.

Cases of Covid19/Flu coinfection can make this pandemic even far worse. Even a draconian scenario [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/canada-going-tyrannical-2nd-total-lockdown-isolation-camps-for-refusers[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/canada-going-tyrannical-2nd-total-lockdown-isolation-camps-for-refusers with enforced isolation, FEMA-camps etc. needs some organization that may not exist. 

We may find ourselves in a black scenario. Trying to look for herd immunity that may not be there..with potential a lot of other co-infections making the disease far worse. The more Covid19 spreads the more there will be new variations able to reinfect...

DJ-As always I hope I am completely wrong...otherwise the only scenario's left are bad ones.

-Global war started by governments trying to stay in power

-A few "safe bubbles" with limited/no access for a healthy elite

-A society in collapse on a global scale...given the exponential factor end of this month....? 

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/repeated-and-ongoing-warnings-to-industry-grid-down-coming-prepare-immediately[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/repeated-and-ongoing-warnings-to-industry-grid-down-coming-prepare-immediately 

WAR

[url]https://southfront.org/us-moving-ahead-with-arms-sales-to-taiwan-approvals-for-three-weapons-systems-currently-being-processed/[/url] or https://southfront.org/us-moving-ahead-with-arms-sales-to-taiwan-approvals-for-three-weapons-systems-currently-being-processed/ DJ-This crosses red lines for China

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/lavrov-calls-for-deployment-of-russian-peacekeepers-in-nagorno-karabakh-as-tensions-escalate[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/lavrov-calls-for-deployment-of-russian-peacekeepers-in-nagorno-karabakh-as-tensions-escalate DJ-Russia is trying to get a grip on this war..

[url]https://southfront.org/hadrat-standoff/[/url] or https://southfront.org/hadrat-standoff/ and

[url]https://southfront.org/turkey-threatens-armenia-with-direct-military-intervention/[/url] or https://southfront.org/turkey-threatens-armenia-with-direct-military-intervention/ DJ-War is escalating with Azerbaijan going for targets inside Armenia (no longer just in Nagorno Karabakh). A Turkish direct attack on Armenia may bring Russia versus Turkey. Georgia may no longer allow Turkey to send weapons/mercenaries to Azerbeijan via their territory/airspace. Azerbeijan is fighting this war as a Turkish proxy with Turkish generals in control, Turkish air force etc. (and as a NATO plan to create a further gap between Iran and Russia). 

[url]https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3105526/china-ready-work-russia-resist-us-global-dominance[/url] or https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3105526/china-ready-work-russia-resist-us-global-dominance 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/us-fails-to-find-allies-for-waging-war-on-china.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/us-fails-to-find-allies-for-waging-war-on-china.html DJ-The US is isolated in its war against China. Israel/Netanyahu and the Saudi "royal thugs" may be interested in a war with Iran. Any realistic war-game does show the US has no chance in these kind of wars...still it may not stop a president on steroids.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbC6dLG_dQY[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbC6dLG_dQY  DJ This is a grimmpost-lets end it with a "grimm" music video of North Korean troops on parade...staying alive...

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DJ-Since we are in a very extreme situation a look at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ ;

-1 Again these statistics may no longer reflect a reality very close. Most likely due to testing problems national health services simply do not get all the data. Private testing has become a major factor and they report to the ones that pay-not the state. In many countries still a lot of people-even with symptoms-do not get tested. (In NL lack of test capacity, in some countries people can not pay for testing). Of course they do get ill, at the end show up at a hospital or die at home...since not being tested they are not in the statistics. 

-2 [url]https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/[/url] or https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ some other statistics give results from a few weeks ago (still showing an alarming picture)..in an exponential escalation they will be weeks running behind the facts. Statistics can tell something of the future-show trends. But when these trends are very alarming politics turn their backs and only look at the past when using statistics "as facts".

-3 France showing up with over 22.000 new cases, the UK with close to 20.000 new cases-in just one day-may be in part a correction for earlier mis-reporting/undercounts. For NL just a few days ago it seems some positive tests from August (!!!!) were included. Due to testing/lab problems results may take days..people have waited a few days before going for a test-then had to wait a day or more to get tested..the statistics may show a reality of a few days-to maybe even a week ago...in an exponential model you have to look at the trend !

-4 In spring something like 20/25% of new cases would need hospital care-a week/ten days after getting infected. With this much uncertainty on in what early phase people did get tested it is very likely a lot of them may need hospital care earlier. Also patients with mild symptoms-that may have needed limited care if tested in time may now need more intensive forms of (hospital) care. It is a matter of timing !

In spring up to 5% of the cases would end up in ICU. NL had over 7000 new cases (at least) in one day. Of them 1400 would need hospital care. Of the 7000 maybe 350 would need ICU. I do not have the exact number of NL hospital beds-ALL of it !!!-maybe around 10.000 ? At best we may reach 1700 ICU capacity...with the present numbers both hospital and ICU capacity is running out...

-5 Since many countries-more or less-face this (very severe) crisis maybe the only country left able to provide any significant help may be China. Of course at a price. (And some will claim that it was China's plan to create this crisis. DJ-They are wrong-WE created this crisis by not acting in time !!!) 

-6 In NL-and most other places-HCW-ers are getting infected, logistics is running into problems. Health Care itself may be near break down already. A very grim number of deaths only can be the outcome of this crisis. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/ the state of New York had over 33.000 deaths so far with a population just under 20 million people. We in NL had between over 6000 and 10.000 (access) deaths on a population of over 17 million. April 21 we had a max of 85 deaths in one day...we may soon face more then (a few) hundred a day...(the less care the more deaths-most likely there will be no statistics left to deal with the numbers-it may be a major job to deal with the bodies). 

-7 A break down of society may create a food, public order crisis, water may become a problem. There may not be enough staff around to do all kind of repair jobs...if that crisis would last just for a few days a country can survive. If that crisis only gets worse (also due to growing public unrest, flooding, bad weather etc) a state can collapse. 

Co-infections (flu etc) and other illnesses (STD's) may explode..sinking this global Titanic even faster. 

-8 Health care has its limits, the police/military has its limits. There may be all kind of (draconial) plans but it may be to late to implement them...The strategy of going for "herd immunity" will go its way and show how big a disaster that strategy was. Even if the chance for reinfection would be limited to <5% that number is hign if you are dealing with a population of millions. 

One could have gone for "controlled herd immunity" but to control it would need rules that may be even more draconial then a lock down. Also it would need billions of high speed investments in health care, getting also the knowledge together on an international level to deal with the "controlled outcome" unless you would except thousends of deaths. 

One of the things completely going wrong in this pandemic is international cooperation. 

-9 Another thing that did fail is both political leadership and "experts" telling policy makers what they want to hear. Just like in climate change-there is NO ROOM for compromises ! You can not make deals with a virus (or climate change) ! Half steps made matters (far) worse not better ! And YES a pandemic can be "the end"!

-10 The only thingh left to "us" as citizen is trying to cope with this crises the best we can. There is a limit to wich one can prepare (most of us will not be able to have their own nuclear bunker). Caring for loved ones-even if that may get you infected-may go above "survival at all costs". In case of a global nuclear war even the best prepared may face very serious problems (nuclear winter, a Venus atmosphere etc. ) most likely situations you do not want to be confronted with. 

Again-maybe I did read to much SF, my fantasy is going wild, "doom-porn" or whatever-I hope I am very, very wrong ! 

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-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ already over 312.000 new cases with Argentina, Colombia, Peru numbers not even in...will we get over 400.000 new cases this day ? 

-France, [url]https://www.france24.com/en/france/20201015-homes-of-health-minister-ex-pm-among-those-searched-in-inquiry-into-handling-of-covid-19-crisis[/url] or https://www.france24.com/en/france/20201015-homes-of-health-minister-ex-pm-among-those-searched-in-inquiry-into-handling-of-covid-19-crisis Did the French government not see a need for masks on basis of what the knew or on basis of shortages in spring ? 

[url]https://www.rt.com/news/503597-france-curfew-coronavirus-police-fines/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/news/503597-france-curfew-coronavirus-police-fines/ 12.000 police staff to enforce curfews in several major French cities. (DJ-Communication is essential. There is a large group frustrating containment measures...you can not arrest all of them so you need to talk.)

France did see another 30.000+ new cases today..alarming !

[url]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-updates-europe-clamps-down-as-second-wave-hits-home/a-55286981[/url] or https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-updates-europe-clamps-down-as-second-wave-hits-home/a-55286981 and 

[url]https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events[/url] or https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events DJ-If we would use the German system for Covid-hotspots in NL 50 cases a week per 100.000 people as good as all of NL would be a hotspot...

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/london-latest-impose-new-covid-19-restrictions-record-numbers-reported-across-europe-live[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/london-latest-impose-new-covid-19-restrictions-record-numbers-reported-across-europe-live

[url]https://www.debka.com/europe-tightens-restrictions-for-second-covid-wave-no-vaccine-in-sight/[/url] or https://www.debka.com/europe-tightens-restrictions-for-second-covid-wave-no-vaccine-in-sight/ DJ-Worldometers still showing over 1500 new cases today-better then 10.000 cases per day-in a country with a population of less then 10 million-but reopening to soon is keeping the problem alive. In many ways one can compare Israel with an island-they do control their borders...

Dr. John Campbell on the flu-shot [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-31xcWma9I&t=85s[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-31xcWma9I&t=85s 

-A combination of the Flu and Covid19 increases the risk of dying with 2,27 times

-People that did get a flushot seem to be effected more by Covid19-but that can be explaned by the fact that the "flu-shot people" already were on higher risk..(as always Dr. J.C. has a lot of info/links under his YT-video)

WAR

Turkey (or NATO ?) did send IS mercenaries to fight another dirty war in the Caucasus [url]https://southfront.org/war-crimes-azerbaijani-troops-tie-with-flags-and-kill-two-captured-armenians/[/url] or https://southfront.org/war-crimes-azerbaijani-troops-tie-with-flags-and-kill-two-captured-armenians/ this is what war looks like...

DJ-It is good to see new testing, more mobilization of healthcare-I keep missing the sense of urgency. It should be top-priority to get a grip, go for lockdowns etc. [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-10-15/we-now-have-confirmation-inflation-starting-get-out-control[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-10-15/we-now-have-confirmation-inflation-starting-get-out-control due to food prices (in the US)

If I think of exponential historic events maybe the Weimar hyperinflation may be a "good" example. Also the Spanish Flu did see exponential growth dying down due to herd immunity for the flu-virus. This is a corona virus...if there is herd immunity it most likely is very limited and only short term. The outlook seems bad !

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