As I have mentioned before, Worldometers adds adjustments to their figures for the day the cases/deaths relate to.  So yesterday, although they were reporting 399,093 new cases for the day, they also added a further 23.445 cases for previous days, so the total was actually up by over they previous day's reported total by more than 400,000.

I have followed the daily totals since the UK did a major downward revision (12th August).  Including that downward revision the case count has been revised UP by an average of 2.6% of the reported cases.  The death rate has seen a higher percentage of adjustment, also UP  by 3.8%.   

These percentages are not huge, but they are not insignificant. I think they represent a tendency to delay the release of bad news. And the worse the news the longer the delay (as seen by the delay on reporting deaths being a higher percentage than the adjustments for cases).  

DJ-

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ showing 413,206 new cases, 6190 new deaths for friday october 16....Several countries did get in the exponential phase with doubling numbers every 10-11 days. If this is also happening on a global scale we may see 600.000 to 800.000 daily new cases per day. The number of deaths will go up. Due to a lot of people testing positive are "younger and stronger" could be keeping numbers a bit lower, on the other side hospitals "crashing" all over the globe may bring a sharp increase...

-The US will see chaos whoever of the two bad candidates wnis the election. Most US citizens-the way I see it-do NOT feel represented by trump or biden-both right wing frauds. Maybe a clear victory for one of the deep-state criminal corrupt US elite candidates may limit the unrest...

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/its-a-hard-brexits-a-gonna-fall.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/its-a-hard-brexits-a-gonna-fall.html "Bojo" seems to be planning to combine the Covid disaster with a "hard brexit" further damaging the UK. 

DJ-The "west" is divided. The US has the UK and Israel, a bunch of corrupt Arab oil states/royals. Most of Europe, most likely Canada, Australia and New Zealand have the realism we need to make some sort of arrangements with Asia-Russia-Iran-China block. 

-Here in NL "our king" did believe it was a good time to "work from his Greek swimming pool" while "our government" did ask to limit travel even inside NL. [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/16/netherlands-lockdown-king-may-greek-holiday[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/16/netherlands-lockdown-king-may-greek-holiday The damage goes further then the most likely over 1 million € of costs for the taxpayer...Our elite is showing they make rules but not for themselves...

-In 1918 the flu was a known risk, people needed to trust their government because of a war and a religion. Today the corona-virus is still not very well known. Allthough the number of global deaths is double that of a very active flu-year (partly due to not knowing how to provide good care) still a lot of the population and elite do not take this virus very serious. 

It is good there are lockdowns, but to stop this pandemic you also need testing and contact tracing-often that part is missing. Putting infected people in isolation seems to be another week spot. Maybe up to 20% of the population claiming "there is no virus" is also not helping much...

-[url]https://www.containmentnu.nl/en/articles/scandals[/url] or https://www.containmentnu.nl/en/articles/scandals From facemasks to testing, contact tracing, spread in children, PPE etc-the Dutch list of faillures creating a Dutch Disaster is almost endless-and many countries may not be doing that much better...

WAR

DJ-Maybe the pandemic is getting that active a lot of countries think twice before starting another major war. The "long term wars" on the Asia-Europe border-meant to stop Ear-Asia integration-are not meant to escalate. Netanyahu may "need" his war with Iran but may not even get much support in Israel itself for another warcrime. 

Climate

[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 another storm forming in the mid-Atlantic-for the short term not a major risk. 

DJ-Dr. John Campbell still doing a good job on youtube is worth watching. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4UDtHyV_2E&t=30s[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4UDtHyV_2E&t=30s US update [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96SaQOTT55s&t=7s[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96SaQOTT55s&t=7s Europe/UK

Music; Spring is almost here-just some six months from now ! Les Printemps-Michel Fugain et le Big Bazar [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HClfgTGiHDs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HClfgTGiHDs enjoy !

carbon20, If all people would be clever we could have a lot less problems....in this pandemic with no vaccines or cures human behavior is the key factor. 

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ DJ-will the 400.000+ number of cases just be an incident ? Further looking at the numbers Europe is doing bad. France 32k, UK16K, Italy almost 11k, Belgium over 10k (in wich K=kilo/thousend) . It should not be a surprise there is discussion on if there could be a new form of the virus..

MedCram [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUdQpFyF2G8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUdQpFyF2G8 looking at a study in hospitalized cases on what four medications do. Remdesivir, HCQ, Lopinavir/Ritonavir and Interferon all fail to be convincing in this study.

DJ-Many countries-for cost reasons-will keep using the cheap old HCQ (with or without cheap zinc, vitamins). Studies that claim HCQ is a major healthrisk-all of a sudden-are also "not very strong". In an early stage HCQ may make some difference..

Putting people on ventilators with high pressure most likely is far greater risk then using HCQ in early stages in the right doses. 

DJ-The idea that we "now have better treatments" may be a bit optimistic. Certainly when there is such a demand for healthcare hospitals run out of capacity. 

The best treatment is not to get the virus-even if that means more isolation with effects on mental health. I rather see very strict-short term rules-then keeping in this kind of crises for years...

[url]https://www.debka.com/mivzak/the-ultra-orthodox-in-red-regions-say-torah-study-must-continue/[/url] or https://www.debka.com/mivzak/the-ultra-orthodox-in-red-regions-say-torah-study-must-continue/ It would be nice if "ultra orthodox" (of whatever religion) would switch to the internet...

WAR

Hal Turner has some points [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/claim-u-s-attacked-and-sunk-convoy-of-oil-tankers-headed-to-syria[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/claim-u-s-attacked-and-sunk-convoy-of-oil-tankers-headed-to-syria DJ-There is no further confirmation on this-but it may be true..and

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/urgent-confirmation-of-huge-loads-of-telcom-gear-leaving-warehouses-on-expedited-basis-comms-outage-coming[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/urgent-confirmation-of-huge-loads-of-telcom-gear-leaving-warehouses-on-expedited-basis-comms-outage-coming 

DJ-[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-nightmare-comes-true-iranian-arms-embargo-lifted-they-are-free-to-import-weapons/[/url] or https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-nightmare-comes-true-iranian-arms-embargo-lifted-they-are-free-to-import-weapons/ Russia is willing to sell modern weapons to Iran. Both Russia and China would like to have some sort of military presence in Iran. In part to protect investments (in oil and infrastructure) in part for strategic reasons. Iran is the Russian link to the south/Indian Ocean, for China Iran is the link to the west, Europe and Africa. 

The US is pushing for a "middle east" NATO next to a Pacific NATO (to contain China).[url]https://www.debka.com/mnuchins-unique-round-trip-tel-aviv-manama-abu-dhabi-tel-aviv/[/url] or https://www.debka.com/mnuchins-unique-round-trip-tel-aviv-manama-abu-dhabi-tel-aviv/ (The war in the Caucasus is a "great way" to show Israeli weapons to its "Arab friends")

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/more-pressure-on-russia-will-have-no-effect-.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/more-pressure-on-russia-will-have-no-effect-.html DJ-The west starting all kinds of wars on the Russian-Iranian-Chinese borders do not stop Chinese expension. 

DJ-When you look at the trajectory only a major war is at the end of that road. The US is not willing to give up its claim of being "the only superpower/exceptional state"...not very healthy ! The Middle East "peace offensive" is meant to start a major war. 

Music; Voces8-Regina Caeli [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXo66MfKSs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXo66MfKSs  ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regina_caeli[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regina_caeli this piece of music may be over 800 years old !)

DJ-Another update...

[url]https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-how-the-swedish-fairy-tale-crashed-long-before-christmas/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-how-the-swedish-fairy-tale-crashed-long-before-christmas/ : (with lots of maps, graphs etc.) 

From red to black

The numbers have increased so much that yet another color has been added to the map. This indicates the difference between an increase of 400 to 500 and more than 500. Belgium – where a distinct language border is visible – as well as the Czech Republic are the worst off in terms of the number of new infections. They are followed by the Netherlands, France, the United Kingdom, and Spain. It’s all hands on deck right now in the British Isles and in Central Europe too.

The most notable measure this week came from Slovakia which wants to submit their entire population of 5.5 million to rapid testing. A similar step was taken in the spring in Iceland. Where just 364,000 people live, making it a somewhat less elaborate chore there.

Plenty of testing is also being carried out in Denmark, one of the few countries where the number of new diagnoses has been fairly stable for a number of weeks. This extensive testing is instantly visible on the Our World in Data map. Only 1.2% of nasal swabs show a positive result. This makes them, together with Germany, Norway, Finland, Greece, Serbia, and the Baltic States, the only countries that are currently under the 3% ECDC threshold. If this R value is overshot, then this may suggest that there is a lack of sufficient testing. In that case, there is a danger that the coronavirus will spread under the radar, as it did last spring. Something almost the whole of Europe should be concerned about right now.

DJ-Since some form of immunity is the basis for vaccination; [url]https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0141076820945282[/url] or https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0141076820945282 Limiting rules did not give the effect Sweden was hoping for. 

[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54594877[/url] or https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54594877 DJ-China's economy is expecting a growth of 5% this year-making the "Chinese footstep" on the global economy even larger. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/global-covid-19-cases-top-40-million-wales-enacts-emergency-firebreak-lockdown-live-updates[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/global-covid-19-cases-top-40-million-wales-enacts-emergency-firebreak-lockdown-live-updates

[url]https://sputnikvaccine.com/[/url] or https://sputnikvaccine.com/

-Weather [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/#Twenty-Seven[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/#Twenty-Seven did form [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Tropical_Depression_Twenty-Seven[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Tropical_Depression_Twenty-Seven will most likely become "Epsilon"

DJ-

In short, this [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ has everything to do with this [url]https://southfront.org/the-stormtroops-of-regime-change/[/url] or https://southfront.org/the-stormtroops-of-regime-change/ . Western countries fail to keep any control on the "1%" of rich that managed to take over politics...

The "political elite" is serving the "rich 1%" not the average citizen. 

Further risks are [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/us-again-moves-goalposts-for-nuclear-treaty-extension.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/us-again-moves-goalposts-for-nuclear-treaty-extension.html -DJ All kind of arms treaties are there to limit risks-the US is in high speed getting out of all kind of international deals. That is NOT how the world works-diplomacy is the "oil" to keep this world working...

[url]https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3299.400.html[/url] or https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3299.400.html climate collapse is the outcome of a proces, a symptom...(On this Arctic Sea Ice Forum-part they are discussing the lack of new ice forming in the Arctic. [url]https://www.ventusky.com/?p=76;-14;2&l=temperature-2m&t=20201030/0600[/url] or https://www.ventusky.com/?p=76;-14;2&l=temperature-2m&t=20201030/0600 by the end of this month "Epsilon" will be north of Iceland, east of Greenland pushing warm air and water into the Arctic region. We may see above 0C at the North Pole ! Absolutely a disaster !!!)

In this pandemic the interests of all should go before the interests of a rich 1%. Russia and China are selling/providing their vaccines to Latin America (Brazil made a deal with China). In Latin America there are over 10 million people infected =25+% of cases, while the population is not even 10% of the global population. 

Another politics-pandemic link is Israel [url]https://www.debka.com/does-israel-face-a-fourth-election-third-lockdown-from-political-disarray/[/url] or https://www.debka.com/does-israel-face-a-fourth-election-third-lockdown-from-political-disarray/ with over 300.000 cases in a population of less the 10 million. Netanyahu in need of support from orthodox parties-that want to go on with Thora-studies in the middle of a pandemic...[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-made-suicide-drone-crashes-inside-northwest-iran-video/[/url] or https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-made-suicide-drone-crashes-inside-northwest-iran-video/ (DJ-Azerbaijan is giving Israel room to run anti-Iran operations in exchange for weapons in its war with Armenia).  

Peak Prosperity/CM is away this week to meet investors...(proberbly that is why their story changed...)

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/20/rivm-coronavirus-infections-last-week-september[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/20/rivm-coronavirus-infections-last-week-september "a less rapid increase" is seen as good news...[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/20/covid-experts-shut-schools-second-wave[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/20/covid-experts-shut-schools-second-wave the most likely reason why in NL numbers may "flatten" is a one week autumn schoolholliday-numbers will go up when schools reopen again (this holliday is spread over NL one region did have that holliday last week, the other regions may have it this week. About 10% of all new cases are in the 12-18 year age group-and going up. Schools still will stay open till the "last teacher drops"...).

Our "government" advicing to use masks, to go into quarantine if you test positive and work from home is unable to get testing or contact tracing at any near effective scale [url]https://coronadashboard.government.nl/[/url] or https://coronadashboard.government.nl/ .

The R0 is 1.22 over 14% of tests-as far as our CDC gets results-a lot of testing went private-is positive (should be under 5% WHO or 3% ECDC). Increasing number of older people get infected-schools remain a main spreader-and with most likely 1 in 5 persons testing positive still going out no way we will get this pandemic under control. 

From this forum co-infection and co-spreading of Covid19 with the (B) flu will increase hospitalizations to beyond capacity. Also reports of Multi Inflametory Syndrom in Children or Adults (MIS-C or MIS-A) showing up weeks after being infected (see the news section of this forum) with virus staying behind in the guts as a cause of problems is very alarming...

In general-this pandemic will not get under control without good (= also free !!!) testing and contact tracing. "Reopening the economy is destroying that economy"-maybe even the goal of a rich elite...

With in the background US "election" chaos-the average US citizen did not have a say in who should be candidates now having to deal with two unfit old frauds...Climate collapse and the very real risk of war on "global domination" there is no time left to waste...

Hee Hoo Lets Go- Blitzkrieg Bob Ramones [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iymtpePP8I8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iymtpePP8I8 

DJ, 

Some points, 

-In NL the 68th mink farm did see Covid19 infections-there are just 60 mink farms left that did not see infections. Still our government want to close all mink farms at the end of march 21-reality will be ALL mink farms most likely will have had infections...

-How bad is this pandemic ? If you would it compare with world war two. One could make a very rough calculation. If you would put the numbers of people killed in that war at 50 million-divided by 6 years of war (September1 1939 till august 15-1945) one could put the number of deaths per year at 8,33 million. The direct and indirect deaths from Covid 19 this year I would put at two million deaths. (We still have two months to go-a lot of excess deaths still have to "show up" in statistics. They include people not getting treatment in time due to lack of hospital capacity. The died from all kind of causes-would be alive if there was not a pandemic.) 

-Can deaths go exponential ? Some countries did see exponential growth in cases-doubling of the number of cases per 10/11 days. There is as good as NO effective protection. Herd immunity is very limited at best. A lot of countries are getting close to all kind of capacities-from testing/contact tracing, enforcement of Covid-rules to hospital/ICU care. More and more Health Care Workers get infected, need to self isolate...

DJ-My answer-and as always-I hope I am very very wrong-YES deaths can go exponential. Even with lock downs-that may slow down growth. Is it likely we will see 5000 deaths per day half of october-10.000 per day early november-20.000 per day half november (40.000 end november, 80.000 DEATHS PER DAY (!!!) mid-december and 160.000 deaths PER DAY early january)???

I HOPE this is NOT a realistic scenario...but with hospitals/ICU close to crashing-an increase of deaths due to other causes-but indirect due to this pandemic could explode. 

There is better treatment but a lack of capacity to deal with the growth of cases. There is a lack of realism on how devastating this pandemic can become....Some countries now go to more strict lockdowns-there are some vaccines that may start making a (limited) difference next year..

When you think of the 50 to 100 million deaths the Spanish Flu caused "exponential deaths" are a realistic "worse case"scenario. Flu did give some immunity-creating a "self regulating dynamic". Problem with Covid19 most likely will be "there are no breaks"...

Rapid testing, enforced isolation of positive cases can bring hope-but so far "politics"seems to be unable to understand the need the act now !

-Another "crazy story" [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/u-s-moving-self-propelled-artillery-to-border-with-quebec-reports-of-uniformed-chinese-troops-in-canada[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/u-s-moving-self-propelled-artillery-to-border-with-quebec-reports-of-uniformed-chinese-troops-in-canada 

DJ-A major insane story is that trump is demanding to be the next president. If he wins the election "there is no election fraud" if he does not win it "has to be election fraud". Other crazy stories [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/silly-season.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/silly-season.html "Russia and Iran are stealing the US election" ???? By supporting who ? Both trump and biden should not be candidate for US president ! It reminds me of the "very old men" ruling the Soviet Union at it's end. After Brezjnew, you had Tjernenko and Andrpow...

-[url]https://www.severe-weather.eu/tropical-weather/hurricane-epsilon-bermuda-atlantic-mk/[/url] or https://www.severe-weather.eu/tropical-weather/hurricane-epsilon-bermuda-atlantic-mk/ "Zeta" formation near Cuba chance 30% in 5 days... 

Dealing with this virus will be a marathon, not a sprint.  It is too early to draw any conclusions.  Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.  And like a friend of mine always says, "Life is like a trained dog act.  If you don't keep your eyes on everything all the time, one of those little terriers is gonna sneak up behind you, and bite you on the @$$!" 

DJ-Using [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/ (and some other countries) statistics to see if there is a relation-in time and increase-of new cases and deaths. [url]https://www.euromomo.eu/bulletins/2020-42/[/url] or https://www.euromomo.eu/bulletins/2020-42/ still is with september numbers. Here in NL there is an above normal deaths per week-going into the hundreds. So indirect deaths are not in Covid statistics. The number of indirect deaths could explode if hospitals "crash"-already a lot of ill people do not get tested-often with Covid19-like symptoms. 

For NL;

Total Cases june 26 =50.000  deaths june 6=6000

sept 23=100.000   june 25=6100

oct 8=150.000    aug23=6200

oct15-200.000    sep24=6300

oct 21=250.000  sep30=6400-oct7=6500, oct 13=6600, oct17=6700 oct20=6800, oct22=6900

sept 23 100.000 cases=6300 deaths, oct.8 150.000 cases=6600 deaths, oct15 200.000 cases =6700 deaths oct21 250.000 cases =6900 deaths (in a very, very primitive way-deaths seem to be going up-relatively-compared to cases...but most of the readers are far better putting these numbers in spreadsheets etc.) 

Point is it took a month to go from 6100 to 6200 deaths, another month to reach 6300, a week to go to 6400 and another week (less) to 6500, and 6600. It took 4 days to reach 6700, 3 days to reach 6800, two days 6900 deaths (officialy tested) is that an "exponential trend for NL -I think it is....

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/czech-republic/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/czech-republic/ has an even more clear exponential death ratio, 

April 3 =50deaths, april 8=100, april 14=150, april 21=200-sept11=450, sept19=500, sept 27=600, oct2=700, oct7=800, oct9=900, oct12=1000, oct13=1100, oct15=1200, oct17=1300, oct18=1400, oct19=1500, oct20=2000 oct21=1700, oct22=1800(+)

[url]https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/137229/belgium-breaks-average-of-10000-coronavirus-cases-per-day-hospitalisations-intensive-care-ventilator-deaths-infections-covid-19-pandemic-sciensano/[/url] or https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/137229/belgium-breaks-average-of-10000-coronavirus-cases-per-day-hospitalisations-intensive-care-ventilator-deaths-infections-covid-19-pandemic-sciensano/ ;

Over the past two weeks, 1,013.3 infections were confirmed per 100,000 inhabitants, an increase of 251% compared to the two weeks before.

Additionally, 349.7 new hospitalisations per day were recorded on average between 16 and 22 October, up from 271.1 per day the week before. On Thursday, 496 new Covid-19 patients were admitted to hospital.

In total, 3,649 coronavirus patients are currently in hospital, which is 374 more than yesterday. Of those patients, 573 are in intensive care, 48 more than yesterday. Patients on a ventilator number 289 – 17 more than yesterday.

From 16 to 22 October, an average number of 35.4 deaths occurred per day, up from the average of 29.1 the week before.

The total number of deaths in the country since the beginning of the pandemic is currently 10,588 – 49 more than yesterday.

DJ-Also in NL [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/23/independent-experts-call-strict-shorter-lockdown[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/23/independent-experts-call-strict-shorter-lockdown . Germany is still willing and able to help other EU countries with (ICU) patients-but they may run out of capacity within weeks themselves. [url]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-reports-record-11000-cases-rki-warns-of-very-serious-situation/a-55354694[/url] or https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-reports-record-11000-cases-rki-warns-of-very-serious-situation/a-55354694 

DJ-A possible scenario would be Chinese help to the EU ? [url]https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-14/China-EU-talks-on-COVID-and-cooperation-TLp2BRZogU/index.html[/url] or https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-14/China-EU-talks-on-COVID-and-cooperation-TLp2BRZogU/index.html 

trump still dreaming "the virus will go away" is further damaging/destroying any trust left that working with the present US has any goal. [url]https://www.debka.com/mivzak/further-easing-of-covid-19-restrictions-on-hold/[/url] or https://www.debka.com/mivzak/further-easing-of-covid-19-restrictions-on-hold/ Even [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/ may need external help to get out of this crisis. (also trying to get more info on [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/influenza-in-animals-excl-h5n1/896191-israel-avian-flu-h5n8-in-a-zoo-and-in-poultry-media-oie-report#post896192[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/influenza-in-animals-excl-h5n1/896191-israel-avian-flu-h5n8-in-a-zoo-and-in-poultry-media-oie-report#post896192 Did it spread to humans ???)

US weather; [url]https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/arctic-outbreak-record-united-states-mk/[/url] or https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/arctic-outbreak-record-united-states-mk/ will make Covid19 outbreak in the US worse..

Some more music-[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noAVrd8Ybcc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noAVrd8Ybcc Iron Butterfly-In The Garden of Eden

VQ24-I think you are correct-Covid19 is "evolution in action". Maybe a bit more then we would like...

DJ-

-The easy part; Epsilon may come visit the UK, NL in a week. By Mid week the US-"somewere" could see "Zeta" as a hurricane...lots of things unclear...links;

[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJjq_dHzvfI&feature=emb_title[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJjq_dHzvfI&feature=emb_title Tropical Tidbits

BP EarthWatch takes 4,5 minutes to promote a water-cleaning system...for good reasons. Then another 1,5 minute to read the NHC message..the rest of it is "something is forming south of Cuba and models do not have any idea what will happen next"...[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOPHF8QYfss[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOPHF8QYfss 

DJ-

-Looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ october 23 did see 490.059 new cases, 6531 deaths...oct.22 had 479,476 new cases, 6477 deaths....

In just TWO DAYS !!!!!! 969,535 new cases, 13.008 deaths...To keep the story simple-if only 10% of new cases would need hospital care-in just TWO DAYS almost 100.000 new hospital patients needing a bed for maybe-in a very optimistic scenario-a week, ten days ? If only 5% would need ICU-50.000 ICUpatients...

We are running out of capacity unless we start global cooperation....

DJ-The only country-at this moment-able to make a major difference is China. They may be able to deal with these kind of numbers. We may have rooms, beds enough-but do not have the staff enough...do not have medical gear enough...may even run out of ligistics to deal with these kind of numbers....

-DJ-Here in NL our government "still expects numbers to go down due to a half lockdown" while we did see over 10.000 new cases. Time is running out...

-DJ (this is just my opinion-I am not medical trained) Even a strict lockdown will not stop the collapse of global healthcare-these numbers are the tsunami that may bring over 100.000 deaths per day in a month. 

These numbers-close to a million new cases in two days-still may be way to low due to limits in testing, labs, reporting...

Dr. John Campbell on convalescent plasma-trying to provide anti body protection [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-iU5HSnLWo[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-iU5HSnLWo  several tests did not bring the results one may hope for..

DJ-Allthough I get more optimistic that there may come some effective vaccines-I do think they may come as water after the fire...already to late. Also one can wonder for who those vaccines are made ? Just a tiny elite getting the best of care-while the rest "is given up" ? 

As allways I hope I am completely wrong...the virus turns out to be less deadly etc. What I do see-in the news-is that ICU nurses see the same patterns they did see in spring-a major difference could be the numbers can get much higher...In The Hague some ambulances could not find a hospital able to deal with the next patient...we now have an air-bridge with Germany-again-transporting patients on a daily basis-till Germany has to stop it...

-other (dealy) illnesses

[url]https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3106874/hong-kong-battling-potentially-deadly-superbug[/url] or https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3106874/hong-kong-battling-potentially-deadly-superbug 

(H5N8 may also be something to watch-must be more widespread-most likely most in (wild) birds, in Europe,Asia)

WAR

[url]https://southfront.org/russian-navy-warships-are-escorting-iranian-tanker-en-route-to-syria-report/[/url] or https://southfront.org/russian-navy-warships-are-escorting-iranian-tanker-en-route-to-syria-report/ and [url]https://www.rt.com/op-ed/504417-russia-china-military-alliance-putin/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/op-ed/504417-russia-china-military-alliance-putin/ 

Russia-Iran-China increase cooperation-pushed to it by US/NATO stupidity....The EU is following the US insanity in to many ways..

If "The West" would like to remain the major global player you have to talk, trade, deal with Russia, Iran, China not try to push them into a corner out of fear ! Even a very major healthcrisis may not be able to stop (new) wars...

Music-Black Sabbath (Sir Ozzy Osbourne) Paranoid [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti36edmfaZk[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti36edmfaZk 

DJ-

I may bring up some sources in Dutch-but the part I bring up will be in English; [url]https://twitter.com/DieTukkerfries?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor[/url] or https://twitter.com/DieTukkerfries?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor (the writer now has a three week holliday-following the corona-story most of this year. Background in communication/information.) One of his links: Ming Ong; If this pandemic has revealed anything it's that the Netherlands finds itself in the stranglehold of a neoliberal politics of indifference: towards the immense loss of life, the crushing pressure on healthcare workers, and finally, indifference towards each other.

DJ From a Dutch (NOS=Dutch BBC) liveblog [url]https://nos.nl/liveblog/2353718-frankrijk-meldt-weer-recordaantal-besmettingen-noodtoestand-in-spanje.html[/url] or https://nos.nl/liveblog/2353718-frankrijk-meldt-weer-recordaantal-besmettingen-noodtoestand-in-spanje.html : 

Marcel Levi: Corona vaccines have little risk
"There are always bears on the road, but that doesn't mean you have to be very pessimistic." Marcel Levi, chairman of the board of University College London Hospitals, a cluster of five teaching hospitals in London, said in Buitenhof about the corona vaccines that are now being tested. "The Oxford vaccine, for example, has already been given to 50,000 people and has had an unpleasant side effect in one person. That's quite a small risk."

Before working in London, Levi was the AMC Board Chairman. As of April next year he will be chairman of the Netherlands Organization for Scientific Research.

He is critical of the lack of decisiveness in healthcare in the Netherlands. "The Netherlands and England are the countries in Europe with the lowest number of IC beds per 100,000 inhabitants. After the first wave, we said in England: it can't be done like this any longer, there might be another wave. More IC beds should be built. And that's the good thing about England: then it is decided and done. We have now doubled the IC capacity in London. "

In the Netherlands, decision-making is more difficult, according to Levi. "In England, the minister and the boss of the NHS (National Health Service, ed.) Decide that this happens, and then it happens. In the Netherlands, nobody is in charge of health care. are not allowed to take control and the government has been saying for years: the market must solve it.

DJ-The political insanity, dogmatism: "The market has to do the job" is maybe the major problem in this pandemic. Neo-Liberalism did kill public transport, public housing, public education, public healthcare, the climate and at the end it may kill us...Still most people do not get it....

-We have a sort of comedy/news program here in NL. Yesterday they had an item on minks and raccoon dogs-both kept for their furs-both very vulnarable for Covid19...(if I am correct-some conclusions from [url]https://www.vpro.nl/zondag-met-lubach.html[/url] or https://www.vpro.nl/zondag-met-lubach.html )

-the virus may mutate up to 5 times more in mink than in humans

-Several escaped/dumped minks in the south of NL (sometimes showing up in kitchens looking for food) were infected

-At least 5 persons did get Covid19 from minks (see also [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/at-least-66-people-linked-to-fur-farms-have-had-coronavirus-with-mink-a-likely-source/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/at-least-66-people-linked-to-fur-farms-have-had-coronavirus-with-mink-a-likely-source/ 

-German [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Drosten[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Drosten believes raccoon dogs in China are the missing link between bats and humans in the Covid19 transfer

-In NL there are 128 mink farms-at least 68 have been infected. Denmark has over 2000 farms-also several of them have infected minks. The virus from those minks did spread in a care center in Denmark 

DJ-I did look for further links [url]http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-10/16/c_139445814.htm[/url] or http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-10/16/c_139445814.htm 101 farms infected 36 under investigation in Denmark.

[url]https://www.wionews.com/world/more-than-1-million-mink-to-be-killed-to-contain-spread-of-coronavirus-in-denmark-335139[/url] or https://www.wionews.com/world/more-than-1-million-mink-to-be-killed-to-contain-spread-of-coronavirus-in-denmark-335139 

[url]https://www.thelocal.dk/20201014/why-denmark-is-culling-millions-of-minks-due-to-coronavirus[/url] or https://www.thelocal.dk/20201014/why-denmark-is-culling-millions-of-minks-due-to-coronavirus ;

The virus spreads very quickly between farmed mink. Newspaper Information reports that health authorities are concerned about mutations of the virus in minks that could reduce the effectiveness of a future vaccine in humans infected with mink variations of the coronavirus.

DJ-So far I did not see anything on Covid19 in Denmark jumping from minks to humans....I will keep looking (since this is a major problem). 

[url]https://thehill.com/policy/international/520856-danish-government-orders-death-of-a-million-minks-due-to-covid-19[/url] or https://thehill.com/policy/international/520856-danish-government-orders-death-of-a-million-minks-due-to-covid-19 ;

The outbreak among the mink population was detected in late June after a COVID-19 patient was linked to a mink farm in North Jutland, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Foreign Agricultural Service said in a report.

[url]https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=Denmark%20to%20Cull%20One%20Million%20Mink%20Due%20to%20Coronavirus%20_The%20Hague_Denmark_10-06-2020[/url] or https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=Denmark%20to%20Cull%20One%20Million%20Mink%20Due%20to%20Coronavirus%20_The%20Hague_Denmark_10-06-2020 

-Looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ ;

Two points;

1 Again over 400.000 new cases in a day (and that during a weekend)

2 In the new cases top ten a lot of European countries; France#2, Italy#4,UK#5,Belgium#6,Russia#7,Poland#9,NL#10 (Germany=#11 after that come Argentina, Colombia, Czechia,Iran)...it looks like a lot of European countries could see over 1 million positive tested cases within a few months. 

-How bad is this pandemic already ? DJ-It is "small" compared to the Spanish Flu-even if you would go for "only" 20 million deaths-the more realistic scenarioś put the number of deaths between 50 and 100 million. Also [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_HIV/AIDS[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_HIV/AIDS as a current pandemic did kill up to almost 40 million people in several decades. 

When you compare it to [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic killing 1.1 million or [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu killing between 1 and 4 million Covid19 becomes more serious. 

DJ-I think it is reasonable to assume that for every Covid death there most likely is also one extra non-Covid death-on a global scale. This Covid-pandemic is already such a burden for healthcare other healthcare had to do several steps back. Limits on polio-vaccination to less preventive care resulting in more severe cancer cases etc. 

-I believe in preventative healthcare. Trying to keep the public healthy does not start when they fall ill ! We take better care for our cars then for ourselves...and in part that is political ! In a system where "profit is everything", "the winner takes it all" , Money rules..humans become self destructive. 

I do remember east European citizens being in better condition during the Soviet dictatorship. There should have been a third way-not blind capitalism, not corrupt communism....putting people first. (DJ-Maybe fascism is an even worse mix of blind capitalism AND corrupt dictatorship). 

-Weather; "Zeta" is moving over Yucatan, "Epsilon"may become a major problem for Europe-several other storms in the western Pacific-on their way to the Phillippines and Viet Nam.  Droughts, wildfires, extreme winter conditions etc. weather will become a problem in food production and distribution. It will increase virus-spread. There are several reports of early starts of vaccinations-still on a smaller scale-but weather may become a complication in getting vaccines where they are needed...(a lot of them need storage at -20C/around -5F-some need storage at -60C !)

To put it all in perspective [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JBdedLx-GI[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JBdedLx-GI The year 536 was bad ! (An eruption of Krakatua-volcano energy of 2000-million Hiroshima bombs did bring a cloud up 30 miles causing a nuclear winter...) 

DJ-Aside from very good reporting on Covid19 in animals (I did put some articles on this forum) also good reporting on Covid19 and lockdowns. [url]https://www.information.dk/debat/2020/10/ja-nedlukninger-redder-liv-millioner-mennesker-fattigere-lande-betaler-prisen?fstln[/url] or https://www.information.dk/debat/2020/10/ja-nedlukninger-redder-liv-millioner-mennesker-fattigere-lande-betaler-prisen?fstln ;

Died of the shutdown

But there is more to the full picture: In the UK, 32 researchers have warned that decommissioning has serious adverse effects that may not be outweighed by the benefits. They referred, among other things, to Cancer Research UK, which estimates that the British closure has led to delays in two million cancer scans and consequent delays in treatment courses. In the worst case, this could have cost more than 60,000 cancer deaths - that is, more than the 42,000 COVID-19 deaths that the country has so far had to record. And cancer is just one of several causes of death that strike stronger as a result of the shutdown.

Without any shutdown, the number of COVID-19 deaths would certainly be many times higher. In addition, it must be taken into account that the closure also has beneficial side effects: by 2020, Australia is largely spared flu deaths.

U.S. researchers have calculated how many lives have been saved as a result of the U.S. corona efforts. Their estimate is that between 913,000 and more than two million lives have been saved. From this must be deducted the number of indirect victims of the shutdown, which they estimate at between 84,000 and 515,000 lives. According to this calculation, the net number of lives saved must therefore be between 398,000 and 1,966,000, which in any case is a high number.

Three factors should be considered

However, researchers evade three questions, which are also part of a fair evaluation of the pros and cons of shutdowns.

Firstly, the age aspect should be taken into account: there is a difference between dying at the age of 20 and at the age of 90. As I have previously argued , in issues such as these, we should look at the number of lost life years rather than the number of lost life.

Secondly, one must take into account how shutdowns affect the quality of life in general - for example, they affect it negatively by being the cause of mass unemployment. However difficult it may be to measure quality of life, this must be included as a factor in the equation.

Thirdly, we must look at the effect of shutdowns for those people who are also usually struggling hard to get their basic needs met. Governments in countries where many people are balancing on the edge of or living in extreme poverty may have good reasons to avoid shutdowns. But even highly developed countries must consider how a recession in their economies indirectly threatens people in other countries on their survival.

Until this year, extreme poverty has fallen for twenty years in a row. But by 2020, it has so far increased by 37 million people .

According to the UN Children's Fund, 192 countries shut down their schooling when the pandemic was at its height. For many children, online education was not an option, and at least 24 million children are estimated to have left school permanently. For many girls, it can mean early marriage instead of education and career. In low-income countries, school closures and economic hardship in the wake of the closures have also led to an explosive growth in child labor .

Although shutdowns demonstrably save lives in the countries that implement them, in other words, more is needed to justify them satisfactorily - morally as well as politically.

DJ-Life is a balancing act...The "rich countries" keep poor countries poor. (It is realy that simple ! Fair trade can make a difference. Leaving it up to "the global market" you give all room to the big companies. The rich get richer, the poor get even more poor.) 

Governments inaction to properly deal with this pandemic-caused by the rich flying all over the globe, buying furs, creating most of the climate change underlines a need for drastic changes ! 

If democracy ends up being every $,€ counts instead of every human it is dictatorship of the rich over the poor ! This pandemic is becoming a genocide of those poor and vulnarable "to save costs"...We need to respect live to stay alive.

Very interesting view on current situation, and the predictions, particularly the numbers of deaths seem to hold water.

My own view is that very few governments around the globe have taken this pandemic seriously. Most have merely taken steps to slow down the spread, and FAILED.

All measures taken were Reactive, and not Proactive. It is of absolutely no use whatsoever, shutting down, or locking down for three weeks, or even three months, and then releasing the population, when there are still hundreds if not thousands of cases still being reported every day. All any government has succeeded in doing is postponing a further exponential rise in cases, and therefore deaths. Just look at France, Spain, UK, Belgium, etc etc. The second lockdowns only led to demonstrations, probable violence, and a further postponing of the next wave. Having seen what happens in the second wave, we all know what is coming in the third wave, and the subsequent waves, yet to materialise. This virus loves the human being. We are perfect for it. 

It will never go away.

I personally feel, that this pandemic will continue, for decades to come. The UK National Health Service are now talking about a vaccine, with 50% efficacy, required two or three times a year, by 68 million people. The sheer logistics of that, let alone the cost, will be completely unviable. All other countries will face similar or even worse scenarios.

One final point. The fact that every government insists that they do it their way, claiming to be following the science, and in the interests of their people, smacks of pure politics, and nothing else. It is their autonomy, their way, and only they have got the policies to save their population.

Until every government follows the same path precisely, this virus will find a way round it, and continue to flourish. The chances of all governments following the same path are NIL.

Look after yourselves. Get ready for the long haul.

I agree,this is not going to go away,

As for vaccine ?

I have very big doubts ,

A,that one will work, 

B,if it does we will have to have boosters every few months,as looking like immunity after having Covid seems only to last a few months,an adjuvanted

(An adjuvant (from Latin, "adjuvare", meaning "to help") is a pharmacological or immunological agent that improves the immune response of a vaccine. Adjuvants may be added to a vaccine to boost the immune response to produce more antibodies and longer-lasting immunity, thus minimizing the dose of antigen needed.)

enhance vaccine may give you 12 months cover.

Then you'll have the anti vaccine mob.....to contend with.....

Sorry to say Im not ,sure where this is going to end up.....

Not at all optimistic.....

And I've said it before,the cure to climate change is the slate wiper.....

And I'm open to anyone that can change my mind on that......

Seeing as though we can't get people to wear a mask.....can you tell me that people will conform to all that is required to stop climate change......dream on dreamer.....

Sorry I'm a realist.....

DJ-

-Another look at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Almost 460.000 new cases over 7000 deaths-of wich over a 1000 from the US. In the new cases France taking over #3 position from Brazil. The US passed over the 9 million cases.

-Belgium is now getting at number of hospital cases that is higher then during spring. On april 7 NL had 234 deaths in the statistics-in one day. Yesterday we had 70-numbers going up. The sewage virusparts count in NL has never been that high..

-The way some writers are spreading misinformation [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/follow-science-12-million-covid-deaths-edition[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/follow-science-12-million-covid-deaths-edition . Alcohol is killing more people then Covid 19 "so why lockdowns" ? Without those lockdowns the numbers for Covid19 would be much higher-effecting much more widespread age groups. It looks like Covid19 killing "the old and weak" is okay for some...That there are long term health effects for (much) younger people getting infected is easy to ignore...Another point is-we are still in the middle of this pandemic-the number of deaths is increasing again. Soon hospitals may be unable to deal with the numbers-the death count will go up. This is not over yet...

-Peak Prosperity (with an awfull intro-music, handwave-"come on, let's take a look"...please..)[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIb_wX3Y1AE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIb_wX3Y1AE ;

-DJ, PP/CM starts with a BBC-fragment of a 83 year old women against lock down's-Who will pay for mass unemployment ? The young ones, not me because I will de dead then"...(CM smiling) PP is going populist, CM as demagogue...at this moment most experts claim there is a need for a lock down. If we had a "good lock down" in the start we would not be in the problems we are now and had a better economy ! "Saving the economy is destroying the economy" during a pandemic !

-A new Spanish study showed 80% of hospital Covid cases were low on vitamin D3-high dosage supplementation did increase the recovery outcome. 

-PP/CM goes to look at health advice from France, NIH, UK-and "it is bad because it does not mention vitamin D"-(please...in 20% of the Spanish study cases vitamin D is NOT the problem...I may agree-with the very limited knowledge I have Remdesivir is not a good idea but for the rest....)

-DJ-You can get an overdose of vitamin D !!!!![url]https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-d-toxicity/faq-20058108[/url] or https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-d-toxicity/faq-20058108 (etc.) so it is not wise to jump to high dosage vitamin D for a longer period if that is NOT the problem !

-As expected PP/CM ignores deaths increasing-his XYZ-immunity blabla is non-sense. This video is THAT BAD I feel I have to report it...Yes it may help to take vitamin D supplements to the level of a daily dosage. An overdose of Vitamin D can do a lot of damage !!!!

WAR

-[url]https://www.rt.com/russia/504681-economic-union-replace-currencies/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/russia/504681-economic-union-replace-currencies/ Dumping the US$ (and often the €) DJ-I would not be surprised if the EurAsian Economic Union would come with a (digital trade) currency of their own-also to be used for (oil) trade with the Middle Easr, Latin America. 

Europe is in a different position then the US. "We"are on the "other side" of the New Silk Road-the Euro/€ may be usefull for EU-China trade. China is further reducing trade with the US...since the US has high debts (in $) to China "dumping the $" is costing China a lot. On the other side-the US may not be willing to pay those debts (in $-maybe in LPG/oil, soybeans etc.) as "another sanction". It does not matter who will be the "next US president" -it is the US elite that is ruling the US. 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/belarus-opposition-call-for-crippling-general-strike-fails-to-reach-workers.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/belarus-opposition-call-for-crippling-general-strike-fails-to-reach-workers.html After a failed coup in Venezuela "the west" went for trying the same "show" in Belarus. Mass media-embedded-went with it...(just like the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent non-sense. In the two major western claims novichok was supposed to be used but the victum survived...).

-Zeta [url]https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2020/10/27/tuesday-evening-zeta-poised-to-strengthen-prior-to-hitting-louisiana-and-a-swath-of-the-southeastern-u-s/[/url] or https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2020/10/27/tuesday-evening-zeta-poised-to-strengthen-prior-to-hitting-louisiana-and-a-swath-of-the-southeastern-u-s/  (Zeta could get to 100 miles per hour winds-cat2 (limit 110mph=cat3) moving fast so cold coastal water will be of little influence. Moving towards New Orleans area...)

DJ-Music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rq_2Thm_4c[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rq_2Thm_4c Dreamer-SuperTramp

DJ, I think maybe you need to start giving us a bit more than the link.  All of them came back with 404 errors.  

DJ- I hope the links do work, one way or another...I try to make it a sort of footnote-extra info...

Where are we ? When I look at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#page-top[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#page-top october 28 did see almost 505.000 new cases, over 7100 new deaths..we are in the middle of this health crisis...and still far from its peak. (Those numbers may be missing a few thousend new Dutch cases-due to "communication problems"-most likely some other countries do have that problem as well-correcting numbers later on-disturbing trendlines...).

If a building is on fire the priority should be is to end the fire. Not debating on what it will do on the watersupply of nearby buildings, long term damage on the enviroment etc-just end the fire ! Maybe powder is better then water to do the job, maybe you have the fire  let end itself-but that is a technical discussion. 

In this pandemic a lot of countries worry on "the economic costs". Priority seems to be to save companies...Politicians running around with buckets of water to all neighbours of the fire-to show how "good" they are, how "much they care"..."You need more room-we have more space for your goods-and it is free ! " Yes but it is on fire ! No worry-we have it under control....

And the fire only gets bigger and bigger...

Else were on this forum someone reported Gilead-producer of "far from perfect" Remdesivir did see her profit go up. Is politics getting that stupid to use a pandemic to create more profit for private companies ? The Dutch KLM ceo could get a bonus for getting government support-at least our government made clear that the tax money-as support-was not meant to give bonusses to millionairs...

So were are we ? I jump to [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/landfall-direct-hit-new-orleans-110-mph-sustained-winds[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/landfall-direct-hit-new-orleans-110-mph-sustained-winds . Pandemic-wise we are now in New Orleans being hit by an almost cat3 hurricane, 10 meter/30 feet waves...

If 2% of the new cases need hospital care-every day an extra 10.000 people will soon be in need for hospital care. Many countries reporting ICU capacity will be at its limits within days. Governments going for-to late-lockdowns to try to get a grip on this pandemic. 

I trust my common sense, no longer my government...I was selfisolating already for weeks...

"It should not be this way"-this crisis was so avoidable..still some people want to go for skiing, wintersports...and our government seems to give room for a third wave...(No that will not happen because the bars will be closed, we just go with our own family, with our own car, to an appartment-NOT a hotel....DJ-Somehow I think wintersports can wait during a pandemic !)

-I yesterday did put a link at the animals/Covid section. A Canadian study did find pigs can get covid19 if the virusload is high enough. Most likely Covid19/SARS2 is already widespread in minks, ferrets etc. via those animals most likely also in cats. Dogs can catch the virus "but behave more civilized" stay with their owner...

The risks for Covid21-a new form of this corona-virus-is growing by the day. A virus jumping between species-in cages or in the wild-will become an even greater risk. We are not out of the problems..maybe just at the beginning...

Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpj9Ioudp7I[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpj9Ioudp7I risk factors and implications

-Czech republic/Belgium cases are exploding (even with masks-maybe social behaviour is a problem. Looking after grandchildren etc. (DJ In elderly over 50% of Covid patients do NOT show symptoms but spread the virus. ) France and NL follow Belgium/Czech republic...(weekly average Czech/Belgium close to 1200 new cases per day per million of population. France/NL close to 600, UK 400, US 200 daily new cases per day per million-last week). 

-There is a risk-calculator above 50=1, black=1 male=1 etc more info also under the video (a black man of 55 with diabetes would score 4=medium risk. A white woman 50+ without diabetes would score 1 just for age. BMI over 35=1 point)

-ECDC-data (DJ-"old news΅ when cases are exploding)

-Vaccines may be available early 2021 (DJ-UK 30 million vaccines sounds good-but do you need a vaccine every 3 or 6 months ? Will Covid further mutate-we are not doing much to stop spread in animals) Dr.J.C. memory T-cells for SARS1 lasts already since 2003-we have to look for T-cell immunity...

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awc0bN07Aac[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awc0bN07Aac the most recent update..DJ-US is following Europe-I think the most realistic US scenario would be similar to Belgium/Czech republic.

BPEarthWatch [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Ho9LZjYOQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Ho9LZjYOQ warning for "Zeta"moving north-east-in the middle of the night-creating tornado's were the hurricane warm air meets the Canadian cold front...people go to sleep-storm seems far away...but it is moving fast. (Just like the pandemic.)[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 "Eta" is forming near Yucatan.

Music; Erbarme dich/show mercy-Bach [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBeXF_lnj_M[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBeXF_lnj_M 

EdwinSm I (DJ) think statistics may be the best way to get a realistic view on how this pandemic is doing globally. Allthough I doubt a lot of the statistics...there are problems in testing, labs looking after those tests, logistics=getting tests at test sites and to the labs, getting results to national organizations that do the daily reporting. Then there is the "political influence" sometimes trying to "keep the numbers down" or claim "more testing is more positives" (wich is correct in itself-but if there was no virus there would not be positives). 

I do have serious doubts on "Africa seeing less cases due to more other infections=better immunity"-does not make much sense to me. As you-EdwinSm- mentioned how can it be countries like Pakistan, Iran, Bangla Desh and Latin America see cases dropping ? 

Is it real or "playing numbers" ? Lack of testing(capacity) ? Is there a weather influence somehow ? (High humidity would make virus spread slow down-virus picking up more moisture-so less spread.)

I think the statistics only show the top of the ice-berg. But it is at least some tool. 

Another very major point is spread in animals/mutations...I think there is very limited/no testing in (wild) animals. Minks do show there is a very major risk. Covid21 would be a nightmare !

Beside vaccines and treatment new ways of testing can help to get a grip on this pandemic. The more and faster testing the better separating infected from the uninfected. 

Politics-in most places-wasted summer to prepare for next stages of what was certain to follow. Most likely in most countries there were only limited investments (in PPE, testing, medication) NOT in extra hospital/ICU capacity. Eventhough training an ICU-nurse takes 18 months preparing for "a second wave"did not seem a top priority. 

Public reaction, almost a stop in cooperation in NPI steps to get a grip, is also a very real risk. Public unrest over lots of things (police violence in the US, catholic dictatorship in Poland, corruption in Israel) and disasters give a background that increase spread of Covid19. 

To put it in "Titanic"terms-the ship is moving out of the water on the front side-a next step in the Titanic story was the ship sinking...

DJ

-There is a German movie "Der Untergang" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downfall_(2004_film)[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downfall_(2004_film) describing hitler using no longer excisting armies on frontlines already gone...

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#page-top[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#page-top oct 30 numbers give me this kind of feeling. I was fearing the numbers would go over 600.000 new cases in just one day-it did not.

Still almost 575k new cases in one day-with the US reporting over 100.000 new cases, almost a 1000 deaths in just one day, France and India close to 50.000 new tested cases-in one day is dramatic. 

Dr.J.C. in yesterdays video was describing a discussion between the Kings- and Imperial-college on the speed of growth/escalation. Looking at trends from other European countries cases are going up exponential. 

Is there panic, like of realism in many government houses ? Discussion on lock downs, what else, to get a grip on this pandemic ? If there is some sense of reality left there must and should be....

-Here in the NL [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/30/coronavirus-infections-surge-past-11100-hospitalizations-level[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/30/coronavirus-infections-surge-past-11100-hospitalizations-level "software is unable to deal with over 9999 increases per day"-so "every above 9999 number is "full of corrections from previous days" according to the Dutch CDC/RIVM.

This makes me wonder how prepared these "experts"were ? What did they do after the first spring wave ? Did they not believe we could have over 10.000 positive tests in a day ? 

One of the experts-a very well respected virologist Marianne Koopmans-advising the WHO etc. did claim in february "NL would not get the virus because there were no direct flights between NL and Wuhan". The lack of realism, sense of urgency, I still find shocking...

-With hospitals already close to breaking point and new cases exploding we are moving into "serious problems". What kind of problems ?

-You need police/military to control healthcare facilities. Soon a lot of people do want-and need-care no longer available. "They will not like it"..

-Already schools, nursing homes face very serious problems-a lot of staff is infected. Both are hoping volunteers will pick up some of the jobs. Just like hospitals they are at breaking point-schools will close, nursing homes may be able to do only the minimum in care..if there is family able to be of meaning some of the old and vulnarable may seek shelter there

-But also police is seeing lots of cases already. Logistics systems, providing supermarkets with supplies will run into problems.

There should be plans for dealing with this kind of crises but there most likely are (still) no such plans...The more I see Covid19 can spread via (other) animals the more I believe there can be different kinds of Covid19 if not already then very soon. 

Yes there are plans to start vaccinations in december or early 2021...but these vaccinations can-at best be of limited use healthwise. It is a "good story for crowd control" The "secret weapon winning the war" may come to late....

Some background

-[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/reality-sets-in-civil-war-is-upon-us-businesses-boarding-up[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/reality-sets-in-civil-war-is-upon-us-businesses-boarding-up US "election chaos" is very likely. I (DJ) can only hope it will be limited. (To make clear my position-four years ago if I had to make a choice between h.clinton and d.trump I would go for trump. But he did not end middle east wars, slow down globilization, create better working conditions for the US with Russia and China. I do not like biden at all-but at least he may respect diplomacy. In an opinion poll in NL 1/3 would vote for trump, 2/3 for biden.)

-The UK/EU is running into Brexit problems. The economic-corona damage is already extreme. Maybe "Brexit will have to wait another year" ? 

-[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/why-are-these-anti-russian-and-anti-chinese-narratives-so-similar.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/10/why-are-these-anti-russian-and-anti-chinese-narratives-so-similar.html  DJ-As I already said earlier-there are quite a lot of countries/regions NOT facing Covid19 problems the way most of the world is facing now. East Asia, Australia, New Zealand will have their own economic dynamics. With a lot of travel restrictions but also a lot of trade. European car makers still export to China...Covid19 is a problem for Russia but on yesterdays new cases they were on the 11th position. 

-Natural disasters from the Greek/Turkey earthquake to [url]https://www.severe-weather.eu/tropical-weather/typhoon-goni-philippines-mk/[/url] or https://www.severe-weather.eu/tropical-weather/typhoon-goni-philippines-mk/ , hurricane "Eta" and [url]https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/large-giant-hail-libya-mk/[/url] or https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/large-giant-hail-libya-mk/ 20cm/8 inch hail in Libya...

DJ-In short the world is facing-already-a global crisis. The more realism and thinking the better the response can be. Next weekend we will know who will have won the US elections...Lock downs may slow down the spread of Covid19. I would not be surprised to see remnants of "Eta" pushing up warm air towards Europe and the Arctic...

We need a short term AND a long term strategy. Climate change, pandemics will not go away...but we have to adapt.

Dr.J.C. US update [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns0zIhnD0Ts[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns0zIhnD0Ts (dish soap is supposed to save glasses from fogging up by the way...) If you can blow out a candle via a mask the mask is not very good ? 

-UK expectations-looking at statistics. Kings College less alarming growth models fit in with PRESENT statistics...(DJ-The more alarming Imperial numbers do fit with a lot of European countries exponential numbers-the UK may not be there yet...)

-In the US the CDC did come up with "PIC" Pneumonia-Influenza-Covid like illness...since there is hardly any flu most of the numbers would be Covid (DJ or Flu and Covid ?)

-Deaths in US not going up in the week 43 ending october 24. 7.1% of tests positive-in all age groups (So widespread virus spread) Why in CDC statistics hospital cases, deaths (from Covid) not going up ? 

-Hispanics have 4,4 times more chance for getting in hospital then "whites", black people, native American also over represented in hospital/death from Covid19. Maybe vitamin D, socio-economic...Dr J.C. same in UK-he has been talking about it since february but nobody is picking it up-why some groups have so much more chance then others for severe/deadly outcome ? 

-"PIC" deaths flat in statistics while in the CDC story deaths do increase (DJ-And the general picture more spread in all age groups only make it logic to expect more old people dying...)

-DJ-As I understand autumn should see an increase of "PIC" (pneumonia-Influenza-Covid) deaths NOT a decrease...

-Dr.J.C. was in a smaller supermarket, masks, cleaning trolleys 100% OK but NO ventilation so virus parts hang around...

-Social implications-If you can look after others, if people need help, someone to talk to they themselves can help by being open on it...

DJ-I do get the feeling US statistics, like Dutch statistics "may be at some distance from reality"...making matters far worse. 

Music; Hair-Let The sunshine In [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhNrqc6yvTU[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhNrqc6yvTU  (a confronting video-I do think-of a young man getting on board a C130 to die in an insane Viet Nam War...)

I think many countries could learn a bit from the Democratic Republic of Congo on handling statistics. 

The country has a population of just under 90 million.

At the end of September they were reporting 112,209 cases and 2,105 deaths.  But by the end of October there seems to have been a mass resurrection as they were only showing 11,306 cases and 307 deaths.

Data from Worldometers.

Or one could follow Tanzania's lead who stopped reporting around 9th May. 

I am with Josh in that I don't trust the figures from Africa.  With little testing there can be few recorded cases and so almost no deaths attributed to covid-19

DJ-

This week we may find out of Covid-cases will further increase/escalate and this weekend only did see "weekend reasons" (less testing, labs closed, limited reporting) for a slow down in cases. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#daily-cases[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#daily-cases Last week did see an explosion of new cases-this will cause an increase of hospital cases end of this week and further on. 

In hospitals, care centers, infections of staff was also increasing-less people to do more work. We would be very, very lucky if our health care system did NOT see large scale major problems with a sharp rise of deaths in the second half of november. 

It would be good to see NPI/lockdowns, masks decreasing the very serious health crisis this soon. For that matter this week can become important in this second wave of the pandemic. 

-This pandemic showed the need for good PUBLIC healthcare. In the 19th century-with a lot of health care problems-the idea of PUBLIC healthcare, better PUBLIC housing, PUBLIC education, PUBLIC transport was a by-product of the industrial revolution. In some industrial area's early 19th century industrial workers died before they got 20, could have children...

Somehow the idea a state has a function in PUBLIC services got ignored and neo-liberal, new labour-ideology went for privatization of everything. Profit versus public interests became the new rule. A moderate form of capatalism-with a strong government to keep a balance may be good for most of us. It would be good if there is more defense against "the rich" buying politics. Good tax rules, laws on how political parties get their money-are needed. 

-[url]https://innovationorigins.com/corona-leadership-and-failure/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/corona-leadership-and-failure/ In a crisis even experts do not always agree, honest communications are essential. We now face a problem a lot of the public will not accept new stricter rules. 

In NL the media tended to claim new cases are decreasing-experts and politicians would love to claim their policies work. Still on the other hand there is discussion on even more stricter rules. There may be limited public acceptence for these rules...

-In the US [url]https://www.axios.com/trump-claim-election-victory-ballots-97eb12b9-5e35-402f-9ea3-0ccfb47f613f.html[/url] or https://www.axios.com/trump-claim-election-victory-ballots-97eb12b9-5e35-402f-9ea3-0ccfb47f613f.html trump may give problems frustrating the US elections...Extremists like this [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/if-you-have-to-kill-leftists-progressives-liberals-in-self-defense-against-their-election-day-violence-here-s-a-few-things-to-keep-in-mind[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/if-you-have-to-kill-leftists-progressives-liberals-in-self-defense-against-their-election-day-violence-here-s-a-few-things-to-keep-in-mind can do a lot of damage. 

In a democracy ALL votes should count. If the president is chosen indirectly by electors that is how it works till there is another system. trump did not get most of the votes but he did get most of the states in 2016. 

I (DJ) consider the US not as a democracy. Most US citizens are not happy with the two candidates. A lot of voters stopped voting. We see that problem also in Europe. I do vote but I do not feel represented....my choice is negative-other parties, candidates are even worse...

I hope there will not be a lot of chaos in the US this coming week. That the US elections may be honest and fair and there will be a clear winner. The US is still in a leading global role-chaos in the US would further hamper dealing with the pandemic. 

-Dr.John Campbell november update [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKI78fzBGD0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKI78fzBGD0 

-In most of Europe experts/governments/citizens undersetimated the pandemic. In Belgium an increase of 300.000 cases may mean 5%=15.000 hospital beds may be needed soon. (DJ since in different countries the picture of age groups getting infected may also be different. Still most of younger people do better then the older it may not be that easy to see how many beds/ICU capacity is needed.If you also would like to go on treating people with cancer, hearthdisease etc you have to make an estimate on ICU capacity).

-Germany was able to take in patients from other EU countries (DJ Their healthcare is the responsibility of the states making Germany a Federal Republic. These states did stop spending cuts on healthcare-so Germany has a lot of beds and ICU per 1000 citizens-much better then most other EU countries. There have been high level talks on EU cooperation. If there is capacity medication, PPE etc will be send to countries in need. Maybe in a local crisis there may be even further cooperation.)

-In Greece, Germany lockdowns are meant to get the situation from escalating. In the Czech Republic, NL, Belgium there are already major problems-NPI=crisis management. Dr. J.C. thinks some treatments will move to home-treatment. Things like https://www.dennisdeal.com/products/pulse-oximeter-meet-gemakkelijk-uw-hartslag-en-zuurstof?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=gss&gclid=Cj0KCQjwufn8BRCwARIsAKzP695eHO6Z8-mpZiRCtnbLaNhmadrbGV8LreQqoiX-qWFlZUuVe_QdEzgaAtyIEALw_wcB pulse/oxi-meters may be usefull. DJ Steam to keep your airroutes open could be helpfull)

-Dr.J.C. refers to [url]https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf[/url] or https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf as standard of care procedure. 

-In the US and UK very strong warnings-worse case scenario could prove to be to optimistic. Dr.J.C. ;-close schools, supermarkets do a good job but forget ventilating...

-Dr.J.C. looks at Taiwan-being able to get a grip on SARS-2 learned from SARS-1. Excluded from WHO (since it is "part of China"). Taiwan did get a lot of info from China. (Dr. J.C. UK, US has intelligence from China why did they not use it ? A lot of info came from social media. Most intelligence agencies did know what happened in Wuhan in 2019.) Taiwan did stop flying in time to slow down the spread (while in february, march WHO claimed flying was safe, rich people went skiing...)

-DJ [url]https://africacdc.org/covid-19/[/url] or https://africacdc.org/covid-19/ has very limited info on Africa

DJ-Even if new cases do not grow that fast any longer we still are moving to a very severe time with hospitals running out of beds, people dying that would survive in normal times. 

Weather

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf1ZkV6BT_Y[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf1ZkV6BT_Y very short. "Eta" will move into Nicaragua soon but could then turn into the Pacific, Mexico or Cuba...later on. (With possibly another storm forming near central America later on this week). 

Music-You can go your own way-Fleetwood Mac [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozl3L9fhKtE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozl3L9fhKtE 

DJ (YouTube had some problems today-did work out with some patience.. There was an act of terror in Vienna-Austria-but a lot is very unclear yet)

-US electionsday during a pandemic is very unusual. Certainly when the political divide is also on how to deal with this pandemic even in voting. Democrats taking the pandemic more serious and vote in advance and by mail. Trump-supporters will-most likely-vote in person today. In person-today-voting creating another risk for virus spread....

Let me be clear and open. I am not "neutral" or above politics. In 2016 I would vote AGAINST h.clinton, but today I would vote AGAINST trump his dealing with this pandemic. 

Besides that I think the "head of state" job is uniting the country not dividing it. Also respect for the constitution should be basic-with trump already claiming he wants to stay president even if he does not get enough votes to do so. Already claiming losing this election has to be fraud in advance shows mistrust in those organizing the elections.

To all in the US I hope there will be no chaos-a clear winner by tomorrow. Large scale chaos in the US  does not bode well for other-very divided countries. A strong democracy can solve its differences in a peacefull way...you have to compromise...that is how it works !

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#page-top[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#page-top in the new cases top ten for november 2 only two non-European countries show up. US at #1 and India at #3. France at #2 had a record number of new cases-over 50.000 in a day. Belgium has now more hospital cases than during the first-spring wave. 

Both Belgium and Germany moving more towards a lockdown. The borders will not be closed yet-but I do expect more limits on crossing the border. (The Dutch often go for petrol, groceries/alcohol to Germany-it often is cheaper. Germany did decrease the V.A.T. to stimulate the economy per july 1). 

This evening in NL there will be another press conference by the P.M Mark(et) Rutte [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/11/museum-and-theatre-closures-on-the-cards-as-ministers-discusss-new-coronavirus-measures/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/11/museum-and-theatre-closures-on-the-cards-as-ministers-discusss-new-coronavirus-measures/ . Eventhough new cases do decrease for several days now in NL hospital/ICU cases are expected to increase still. A lot of European countries expect the second wave to be a bigger challange then the first one by now.

In Germany-with over 1200 hospitals (NL has 116 hospitals with 1/5 of the German population number) cases are increasing fast. Staff seems to be a major problem-not only in Germany. 

Dr.John Campbell with another video/update [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThxsLChJykc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThxsLChJykc 

-(Seems to start in the middle of a long story-good overview, Canada good government site, BoJo-Covid19 story in The Sun, Kenya)

-[url]https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2020/11/articles/animals/other-animals/covid-in-animals-review-part-6-marine-mammals/[/url] or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2020/11/articles/animals/other-animals/covid-in-animals-review-part-6-marine-mammals/ ;

The main issue is exposure via sewage. The virus doesn’t like it outside of the body, but it will survive for a short period of time in sewage. We don’t know how long and how different sewage treatment approaches influence that.

-

We have to be cautious putting too much faith in predicted susceptibility and most studies have not included marine mammals. However, a couple studies ranked various marine mammals as having ‘high’ susceptibility (Damas et al, Luan et al). This included various whales and various porpoises.

Weather

-[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GveVboX8djg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GveVboX8djg BPEarthWatch and [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlcE-t74l4M[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlcE-t74l4M "Eta" may become a cat5 hurricane (in just 24 hours from becoming a hurricane) hitting eastern Nicaragua, Honduras, Belize and move back into the Gulf of Mexico as a storm [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/055318.shtml?cone#contents[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/055318.shtml?cone#contents this weekend. Models see it moving over Cuba next week-but that is still to far away...

East Asia is also seeing some severe storms. [url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/videos/cx0w4mw2[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/videos/cx0w4mw2 . Part of the US moving into a november heatwave [url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-forecasts/mini-november-heat-wave-will-send-temps-soaring-in-midwest-northeast/842242[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-forecasts/mini-november-heat-wave-will-send-temps-soaring-in-midwest-northeast/842242 

DJ-We live in interesting times...

Music-Dirty Old Men -Three Degrees [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0atv9v2nNww[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0atv9v2nNww 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#nav-yesterday Reporting record number of deaths (and that excludes back dating of deaths). 

And on those tables USA has moved above Ecuador to 9th place in deaths/million, but they still have a way to go to catch up with Bolivia Chile and Brazil (and almost no chance of catching up with Belgium in the next three months).