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Btw Josh, I think that cases are still high and climbing in places like the UK and the numbers being reported are either being manipulated or, more likely, are a reflection of people just not reporting their symptoms or getting tested. They are riding it out at home if they have symptoms and only reporting it if they need medical assistance. It is holiday season and no one wants to spend their hard earned holiday time sitting at home watching daytime TV. Certainly this is what's happening with my friends and relatives there and also on mainland Europe, including my cousins in Northern Holland.

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Great analogies, Kim.

Yes, Josh, if you need a break you should by all means take one.

As far as the current situation, don't forget that some states have already discontinued unemployment/enhancements, and in those that haven't, they will be expiring Labor Day weekend.  And while some people have returned to work or found new jobs, many people have not.   So we have what has been called a "labor shortage", but what I call a "decent wage and working conditions" shortage.  In some areas of the US, wages have been raised in lagging industries, and in most cases those industries are no longer suffering a "labor shortage".  But the US Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour.  18 states, including my state of Pennsylvania, have a minimum wage of $7.25 (or less, or none, in which case most places pay $7.25). The rest of the states pay more.  

It used to be that Federal minimum wage rose with the US Productivity Index.  That was abandoned in 1968.  If we still tied the minimum wage with the Productivity Index, minimum wage would be $24 an hour.  If we tied it to inflation, the minimum wage would be about $12 an hour.  (Nine states are paying $12 an hour or more, with California leading the way at $14 an hour.  And if you live in Cali, $14 probably doesn't cut any mustard in terms of the high cost of living).  Instead we have had no minimum wage raise since 2009.  Inflation has risen 25% since then.  Average CEO salaries have gone up 54% since 2009, and 940% since 1968. Meanwhile Covid cases are rising steeply and many of us don't feel safe to go back to work.  Things do not look good at all.

I would agree with you KiwiMum about how most people should conduct themselves vis à vis making choices about vaxxing, masking, going out, etc., but there is too g---d---- much willful stupidity and selfishness and not enough "do unto others" and community spirit out there for that to work effectively here.  I can see how folks in your neck of the woods would feel like they didn't want to endure anymore shutdowns after how long you have been shut down.  But here in the US, we didn't have that long of a shutdown in the scheme of things; our leaders chose to save our economy instead.  I think it was the wrong decision, and we are going to suffer alot for it in the near future, for which, unfortunately, Biden will get the blame.  And Biden is making a few of his own mistakes...

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DJ, 


Of course if you need to take a break, go ahead and take one.  I don't blame you for wanting to take a break.  We thank you for your service to all of us here.  I can say that you have been a lifesaver.  It's been a crazy two weeks.  We found out that the filtration system will cost a ton of money.  But the insurance co wants to protect ME and Vicki as well as us.  it is going to be like a clean room at the UNL BIO UNIT.  The whole house is covered.  We don't think the virus is going to get past the filters.  We are hopeful that the sytem is effective as advertised.   Good luck DJ, you have been a joy to us.  

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Thanks for the reactions, I will "stay at my post" but may invest less time in "sources"...maybe not every day an update...on the other hand we are now at a turningpoint-this pandemic is getting much worse...Delta(+) is a pandemic on top of the pandemic...

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Lets talk about numbers...If you put global population at 8 billion  then 0,5% of that is 40 million. Peru is allready reporting over 0,5% of its population died from Covid...a realistic estimate put the India Delta deathtoll at between 4 and 5 million-in just a few months (april-may). India has 1,3 billion population...Delta(+?) is now spreading in other "poor countries" with about 4x the India population...so put that at 5,2 billion...(check-5,2 + 1,3 would make 6,5...so 1,5 billion of "us" living in "rich" countries...a rough guess..)...that would bring another 15 to 20 million deaths in the coming two-three months in those countries ? 

Another analogy; We had 43,something at an airbase north of Arnhem in 2019...impossible according to the NL weather office...but they had no problem with the record high temperature for the night (26c I believe) based on the same meters...250 mm rain somewere in western Europe in 24 hrs...impossible...untill it happened last month killing 200+ Germans, 50+ Belgians...(I do not now have the exact number of rain...point is things seem impossible till they show themselves possible...)...

Back to the pandemic. Official number of deaths is still under 5 million-not very realistic. If 0,5% of global population would be more realistic you are at 40 million...Daily number of deaths so far often-in official statistics under 10,000 per day...More realistic numbers would bring us at between 10,000 and 100,000 deaths per day range...A rough guess on global population growth would be 200,000+ per day (births-deaths per day) ? 

So if we end up in the 100,000-1 million deaths per day range we would get in the "global population reduction numbers"...Can we get over the 1 million deaths per day ? Last year I would have said "not very likely"...with the new variants I think we could end up at that kind of ugly numbers....and that is BAD !!!!!

It is far worse then what we did see as "deaths per day" in World War 1 or 2...or likely even during the Spanish Flu at its peak (allthough there the statistics on the worst days would have been at the 100,000 to 1 million deaths per day range...but we did not have "real data" in those days...estimates on 20 to 50 or 100 million deaths during the Spanish Flu were made-I believe-some 40 years after the event...when we were getting able to combine statistics from around the globe...had some basic idea's of how to read the numbers...but still there is a wide gap between 20 million "tested" deaths and 100 million "pandemic" deaths...people that would have been alive in 1920 if there was not the Spanish Flu...). 

So where are we now ? [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/urgent-tonight-at-9-00-pm-eastern-u-s-time-lockdown-confirmed[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/urgent-tonight-at-9-00-pm-eastern-u-s-time-lockdown-confirmed Hal Turner may write a lot of non-sense...is an extreme right wing trump-supporter...but I think the US could see another lock down...I think this story is realistic...The US soon will be in the 100,000+ new cases, 1,000+ new deaths per day...vaccinations are not spread even...in some parts of the US vaccination is low-Delta is out of control...hospitals at crashing point...Biden was stopped by the US supreme court on evictions-stop after july 31...so he could not prolong the "old rules" but he can put new rules and he very likely has no other options...

I think it is more and more getting clear the only policy towards Covid19 is a zero-Covid strategy....If you allow "some spread" you know it will get out of control within weeks...It is allready very close to spread in non-human hosts...If it widens the spread to more species the polite words are "we are toast"...Also goes for resistent variants able to infect hosts over and over again...just around the corner...

I would love to claim there is a chance of "Covid19 getting milder" ...but it does not look that way...it is getting much worse..deadly !

Can Covid19 be "the end of human kind" ? "Not very likely I would have told you in 2020, or even up to a few months ago...but Delta changed that picture...and other variants behind it are worse...

Of course combining a major war with a pandemic has been done often in history ! [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/breaking-news-former-u-n-chief-tells-iran-president-security-council-members-have-decided-upon-war-against-iran[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/breaking-news-former-u-n-chief-tells-iran-president-security-council-members-have-decided-upon-war-against-iran The US and UK now willing to follow Israel in escaleting attacks on Iran ? I doubt it ! Iran is a partner for Russia and China...in fact also you could claim there is a sort of TIP-group Turkey-Iran-Pakistan...agreeing on limits for separatism (Kurds Baluchistan, Azerbaijani...maybe even some agreement in TIP on Kashmir..TIP together trying to be a more equal partner in talks with Russia and China). So I do not think "there is much room for a major war"...A major US/UK/Israel attack on Iran would see Russia, China move in...Turkey, Pakistan further moving towards Russia/China...as most of the Islamic world...In a military sense "limited airstrikes" may be possible...not a major war-I think. It would be a stupid action from "the west" ...but we have seen stupid before !

"Can't fix stupid" may be true..."Stupid will kill us" may also be true...(For the rest info-overload...to much info-to limited time...)

Stay safe !

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Short update; [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table both global cases and deaths +11%. 

Flutrackers; 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/901004-ivermectin-a-useful-treatment-for-covid-19-coronavirus-some-discussion-and-studies?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/901004-ivermectin-a-useful-treatment-for-covid-19-coronavirus-some-discussion-and-studies?view=stream latest;

On Driving SARS-CoV2 Extinct
Why We Need a Multi-Pronged Approach
Heather Heying
Jul 30

This article is co-authored by Heather Heying and Bret Weinstein. It is very long, and sometimes technical, and not as much fun as a lot of what will be showing up in Natural Selections in the future.

We are at a crossroads. There is a deadly virus circulating and out of control. Many have died, and many more certainly will. We can choose to use all available tools to eradicate this virus, or we can allow it to become a permanent fellow traveler, endemic to humanity. The first option has a high cost, but that cost is finite, largely ending when the disease ends. The second option is much worse. To the cost that we have already paid, add a continuing pattern of suffering and casualties going forward indefinitely. This toll is incalculable. Some have argued that it is already too late—an evolutionary hazard we warned about early in the pandemic—but we have yet to see a compelling argument to support this belief, and until such a case is made we, together, are morally obligated to pursue the eradication of Covid-19.

If we are interested in minimizing harm from SARS-CoV2, we need to use prophylaxis to force extinction. Prophylaxis refers to action taken before exposure to prevent an event. A condom is prophylaxis against pregnancy. Doxycycline is prophylaxis against malaria. Vaccines and repurposed drugs such as ivermectin have both been presented as prophylaxis against Covid-19. In order to clear our planet of SARS-CoV2, we need safe and effective prophylaxis distributed so widely that it drives the virus to extinction.

How we do this is up for debate, and of course there will be disagreement along the way. Some people, including the authors of a recently published Quillette article, see one and only one way forward: vaccination of every person with access to currently authorized vaccines. Other people, including ourselves, believe that the current vaccines—which are non-sterilizing, cannot quickly reach the entire world, and provide only narrow, short-lived immunity—cannot accomplish the goal, not even in principle. Any viable strategy for extinguishing SARS-CoV-2 in the near term must therefore include effective prophylaxis beyond the current crop of authorized vaccines. 

For now that means drugs taken to prevent infection for those who are unvaccinated and who have not had a confirmed case of Covid (and therefore lack natural immunity). It may also require prophylactic medicine for vaccinated people as fading vaccine-induced immunity and new variants evolving in response to the vaccination campaign render the current vaccines ever less effective. ..

DJ-Covid19 not stopped will become an even bigger problem in the coming months. If there is medication to stop viral infection for Covid19 it would be more then welcome ! 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/920558-us-surveillance-data-shows-white-tailed-deer-exposed-to-sars-cov-2[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/920558-us-surveillance-data-shows-white-tailed-deer-exposed-to-sars-cov-2 latest; One-third of white-tailed deer in the north-eastern United States have antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 — a sign that they have been infected with the virus.

The findings, revealed by an analysis of samples collected after the pandemic began, represent the first detection of widespread exposure to the virus in a population of wild animals, says Arinjay Banerjee, a virologist at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon, Canada. The results are reported in a preprint posted on bioRxiv on 29 July1. They have not yet been peer reviewed.

Researchers say the rapid exposure of a large number of animals to the virus is concerning, but that more studies are needed to assess whether the deer can infect each other — and other species — in the wild. “It’s an intriguing observation but still needs to be interpreted with caution,” says Aaron Irving, an infectious-diseases researcher at Zhejiang University in Haining, China.

The crucial questions are “how the virus spread to deer and if it will spread from infected deer to other wildlife or to domestic livestock such as cattle”, says Linda Saif, a virologist at the Ohio State University in Wooster.

DJ See also [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_coronavirus[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_coronavirus and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacoronavirus[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacoronavirus  (DJ Both SARS-2/Covid19 and Bovine/Cow corona are Beta-coronavirus...IF Covid19 spreads to non human host we "have a problem"...).

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/920807-massachusetts-breakthrough-coronavirus-cases-137-daily-infections-4-daily-hospitalizations-in-recent-weeks-amid-delta-variant[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/920807-massachusetts-breakthrough-coronavirus-cases-137-daily-infections-4-daily-hospitalizations-in-recent-weeks-amid-delta-variant ; Massachusetts breakthrough coronavirus cases have been rising rapidly in recent weeks amid the more highly contagious delta variant, but the percentage of fully vaccinated people getting infected remains low and the vaccine is “still doing an amazing job at preventing the most severe illness,” infectious disease experts tell the Herald.

DJ Point is those studies are retrospective-look back in time...may show a slow decrease in vaccine protection...

Some good news ! [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-i-thru-z/920784-dancing-to-music-may-halt-progression-of-parkinson%E2%80%99s-disease[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-i-thru-z/920784-dancing-to-music-may-halt-progression-of-parkinson%E2%80%99s-disease !

Music-Ultravox - Dancing With Tears In My Eyes [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQWUZ8a2Ho[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQWUZ8a2Ho ; Lyrics: 

Dancing with tears in my eyes 

Weeping for the memory of a life gone by 

Dancing with tears in my eyes 

Living out a memory of a love that died 

Stay safe !

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Originally posted by ME163 ME163 wrote:

DJ, 


Of course if you need to take a break, go ahead and take one.  I don't blame you for wanting to take a break.  We thank you for your service to all of us here.  I can say that you have been a lifesaver.  It's been a crazy two weeks.  We found out that the filtration system will cost a ton of money.  But the insurance co wants to protect ME and Vicki as well as us.  it is going to be like a clean room at the UNL BIO UNIT.  The whole house is covered.  We don't think the virus is going to get past the filters.  We are hopeful that the sytem is effective as advertised.   Good luck DJ, you have been a joy to us.  

JIll and  Becky 

Are you talking about some sort of HEPA filter system that filters the air in your house? Have you also considered an electronic diffuser? You could use one in addition to the filter. I attended a very interesting talk about diffusers years ago and am a real believer in them. When combined with essential oils, particularly eucalyptus, they are fantastic as killing airbourne virus particles. And it's not a new science. For years people have boiled up herbs and leaves to release the oils into the air. As a small child my mother had a very old burner that if we were ill, she would stand it in a bowl and put about an inch of water around it's base, and then she'd light a 10 hour nightlight candle and put some water in the top receptacle with some menthol crystals and oils. The room with stink but it was very effective. You can now buy electric versions that are much less likely to burn your house down!!

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DJ-I put on a "mental welding helmet" limiting myself somewhat from "the heat",

Because where are we ? Here : [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/israel-revives-covid-restrictions-cases-soar-warns-possible-lockdown-september[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/israel-revives-covid-restrictions-cases-soar-warns-possible-lockdown-september ;

Despite being the most heavily vaccinated country in the world, Israel has just imposed new restrictions on its population, and the body responsible for generating its COVID policies just admitted that a lockdown in September is no longer a remote possibility.

Israel's coronavirus cabinet announced Tuesday night that starting Aug. 20, the country will revive its full green pass system. Starting Sunday, masks will be mandatory in all indoor and outdoor gatherings and even fully vaccinated parents responsible for caring for a child in quarantine will be demanded to isolate as well (for children 12 and under).

Israel reported nearly 4K new cases over the previous 24 hours it announced on Tuesday, the biggest daily jump in new cases since March, when the country's vaccination program was still in its infancy. Another 7 people were reported dead from COVID on Monday, bringing the 48 hour death toll to 17, the highest level in four months.

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Less than a week has passed since the Israeli government announced it would start administering booster shots to people over age 60. And now that at least two European nations have said they're preparing to dole out booster shots, it's only a matter of time before Big Pharma gets its way in the US, leading to more sales for Pfizer and Moderna at newly inflated prices.

DJ (Of course it is ZeroHedge...not taking this worst global crisis ever very serious...). Big Pharma should have been taken over by the governments some months ago...At least by law prices should be regulated. Governments should not wotk for Big Pharma-but both should serve public health...put public health above profit...

-Numbers; With the US yesterday reporting almost 105,000 new cases we did get over the "official" 200 million cases...global deaths +9,962 now above the 4,250,000....I think it is reasonable to put an extra "0" behind all these numbers...So global cases would be at 2 billion, deaths around 42,5+ million-yesterday deaths more close to 90,000 worldwide...If you want to be realistic !

India reporting 42,500+ cases-now mostly related-as far as there is sequencing-to Delta+ ? After being hard hit by Delta in april/may. With limited vaccinations or a chance for NPI the real number also more likely to be at 425,000 new cases per day-if there is still some link between reported cases and reality...

UK had a link, untill recent there was a gap between ZOE-tracker app, ONS, and Government-public health numbers...That gap did explode after reopening. With ZOE/ONS reporting over 60,000 UK cases per day-government cases dropping to almost 1/3 of those numbers...What is the point of testing when a positive result means isolation for 5 or 10 days in holiday season ? And after vaccination often "hay fever like symptoms" ? 

Here in NL we had reopening-cases exploded-but after putting some limits on bars, festivals-increasing vaccinations also in young age groups-in official numbers cases are going down. Just like in the UK hospital cases, deaths are going up. The official Dutch CDC-story is "since cases are going down-hospital cases soon will go down" and the R0 is now at 0,69...We soon will find out how realistic the RIVM/Dutch CDC numbers are...if hospital cases, deaths keep going up we simply did not test a lot of cases...In yesterdays briefing also an increase of imported cases from southern Europe, people returning from holidays there. In the European CDC charts those countries are "red" do not go there-NL government simply changed the colorwarning to green...with an advise to selfisolate/test after return...So cases-certainly after schoolreopening-will explode in NL...

In NL no masks needed except in public transport, bars close at midnight, no major festivals with a crowd of over 750 people...that is about ir...Germany has 1/8-12,5% of the cases NL has (per 100,000)-but there you need FPP-2 masks in most closed spaces...much more restrictions with much less cases...Ventilation in schools in Germany is dealt with by law..in NL it is "strongly advised" but old schools simply do not get the money to do much...have trouble to get enough staff...

After a month ago "dansen met Janssen" get a J&J vaccine today-dance this vening-the rule in NL now is immunity after J&J will be buitlt only after 4 weeks...Both NL and UK "strategies" had the (insane) idea of "creating a peak in young people-with limited symptoms" to limit the peak in autumn/fall-create natural immunity...

Also the general idea in NL "experts" often is "children get less symptoms"...reality is very brutal...Indonesia did see massive numbers of children in hospital, dying...by the thousends...Delta will hit the young very hard ! Our P(roble)M rutte has been looking at the polls, popularity, most in his (lack of) strategy. With "health experts" in positions based on political choices saying this "goverment" the things the government wants to hear...No lie can last forever...(at least that is a nice idea-history shows a lot of lies do last forever !). 

([url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ )

Trends; Global cases +11%, deaths +10% (comparing last week with week before that...);

US cases +41% deaths +33% 

UK cases -20% deaths +13%

India cases +6% deaths +5%

NL cases -44% deaths +33%

Israel cases +71% deaths +278%  (9 last week 34 this week !!!!)

Looking at global trends UK/NL cases dropping like that is NOT realistic ! 

Some "good news"; South America cases -13%, deaths -9%...Lambda variant (Peru) seems to be not a major factor anymore ? (But with hardly any relevant sequencing who knows ?). Bolsonaro may soon face the International Criminal Court in The Hague-NL...one can only hope some other "politicians"will have to show up there soon !

-Flutrackers latest posts;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/920917-nih-lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-from-covid-19[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/920917-nih-lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-from-covid-19 ; The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.

The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.

Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.

As with antibodies, the numbers of different immune cell types varied substantially between individuals. Neither gender nor differences in disease severity could account for this variability. However, 95% of the people had at least 3 out of 5 immune-system components that could recognize SARS-CoV-2 up to 8 months after infection.

“Several months ago, our studies showed that natural infection induced a strong response, and this study now shows that the responses last,” Weiskopf says. “We are hopeful that a similar pattern of responses lasting over time will also emerge for the vaccine-induced responses.”

DJ-I would love to believe in long term immunity after (natural) immunization/infection. However-the data in this study is from 2020. Since then Brazil, UK, India, Israel etc. may have seen a lot of reinfection cases.  

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/further-communications/920916-major-vaccine-%E2%80%98fact-checker%E2%80%99-funded-by-group-headed-by-former-cdc-director-with-1-9b-in-j-j-stock[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/further-communications/920916-major-vaccine-%E2%80%98fact-checker%E2%80%99-funded-by-group-headed-by-former-cdc-director-with-1-9b-in-j-j-stock DJ-Profit/greed/shareholders have been a main factor in "pandemic strategies" often more then public health ! Greed as a main disease...how can you allow pandemic-profits ? 

DJ-Lots of countries (Japan, Pakistan, US etc) now reporting hospitals/ICU's at limits. In vaccinations EU and Canada (UK, Israel, China) over 50% of population fully vaccinated...US still-in some reports-just under 50% fully vaccinated. But Delta means vaccinations going up there as well. (Here in NL also planned vaccinations for this week are included in the vaccine-statistics. Most vaccines offer protection after 2nd vaccination + 2 to-older/vulnareble 3 weeks. J&J may take 4 weeks. UK, Germany, Israel going for third-booster-vaccine. Other countries very likely to follow-but you can only go for large scale third vaccination when enough people at least had two vaccinations...and for the US getting enough people for the second vaccination is still a struggle...).

Also both China and Australia are doing everything they can to get a grip on Delta...China cases still +55%, Australia cases +37% indicate strict lockdowns, travel restrictions, lots of testing may not do the job...(yet ?)

- Dr. John Campbell on vaccines recommended in pregnancy [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrukfMGlulE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrukfMGlulE  DJ-Lots of info under the video-not much on pregnancies as far as I see...Was in the news 20x more chance of dying for pregnant women with Delta...so very bad outlook. 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnJTNtU2Zuc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnJTNtU2Zuc Dr. Mike Hansenwith a short <10 min-week old-video on Delta variant; 

What’s different about DELTA Variant Patients? The delta variant is almost like a whole new COVID virus, as it behaves very differently from the previous COVID strains.

 It has at least three mutations on its spike protein, and more specifically, on its receptor-binding domain. That’s the part of the spike protein that binds to the ACE2 receptor on the cells in your body. 

The delta variant’s mutations help it bind more efficiently to the ACE2 receptor and allow the virus to enter the cell more easily. 

Also, its mutations allow it to better evade the body’s immune system.

DJ New variants opened another chapter in the pandemic book. Delta may be controlable with both vaccines and NPI-but we have allready failed there...using often less then 50% fully vaccinated population as a basis for reopening...an act of total insanity !

[url]https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD[/url] or https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD  and [url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing also good info...

-Music-Let the music play ! I want to dance the night away !-Barry White 1976 long version [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b5vyUM-L1M[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b5vyUM-L1M 

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DJ-I was finishing my todays story and adding music-and the story is gone ! So frustrating ! 

Main points; Good interview [url]https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/02/gurd-a02.html[/url] or https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/02/gurd-a02.html ;

To be clear, there’s no country that has attained herd immunity to SARS-CoV-2. And, certainly, there are countries with different levels of vaccination. I mean, some countries have over 60 percent of their population fully vaccinated. There are also countries that have had natural exposure to the infection at very high rates. But it hasn’t extinguished the pandemic. We’ve always seen surges even after that. And I think that reflects several factors.

One, I think natural immunity can wane over time. And I think the durability of that immunity does depend on the severity of original infection. When infections are mild and asymptomatic, we can have at least weighting of neutralizing antibodies and how that correlates with waning immunity. We don’t know yet, but we know that re-infection, or the getting infected again with the virus, either the same variant or another variant, are far more common than we originally thought. Although there is protection, even over longer duration of time, it’s not absolute.

The second thing is that over time we’ve had many new variants arise in different parts of the world and they have shown a level of escape from previous immunity, which means that if you’re immune against a previous variant of the virus, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re immune against a new strain. What that means is that even if you have a level of immunity against previous variants, you may not be able to reach the herd immunity threshold because this virus is constantly evolving.

The other thing about the herd immunity threshold is it depends a lot on transmissibility. The more transmissible a virus, and that makes sense, you need a much bigger wall of immunity, which means you need many more people to become immune to be able to reach that threshold. Measles, for example, which is a highly infectious pathogen, the threshold herd immunity is above 95 percent.

Unfortunately, because we’ve had new variants at a point in time where vaccines were developed against previous variants, they also show a level of escape from vaccines, which means vaccines are not as effective against these new variants as they were in terms of previous variants in preventing infection transmission.

All these factors make it very difficult to attain herd immunity. We need to remember with the current variant that is becoming dominant in different parts of the globe, because it’s highly transmissible, we need about 85 percent or more of the population to be immune, not vaccinated, but immune and not be able to essentially transmit to other people. At the current point in time, we don’t think that vaccines necessarily provided 85 percent effectiveness. Even if you vaccinated 100 percent of the population, you may not reach that level where the pandemic dies by itself, which is essentially the herd immunity threshold.

And that makes it very complicated. I think there needs to be a level of honesty around this. This is not a threshold we will likely be able to reach through vaccination or contain the pandemic through vaccination alone, unless we develop a next generation of vaccines that are effective against these newer variants, which may well happen. But it’s unlikely to be able to keep up with virus evolution unless we prevent new variants from evolving.

It is likely that with the current generations of vaccines we are going to need mitigations in place to be able to contain the pandemic. But we also need long term investment and things like ventilation in indoor environments. And governments, I think, need to be very clear and honest about this because there is a consensus that’s developing among scientists that it is unlikely we will reach herd immunity through vaccines alone with the current vaccines we have.

BM: I know that you and Boris Johnson’s government have been dueling it out with words in the press. Why do you think the leaders from the UK, the EU, the US and other countries are not heeding the warnings scientists are making? In fact, what we’re seeing is that many of the more principled scientists are being attacked, bullied or maligned. These elected leaders who are entrusted for their people’s well-being, the safeguarding of their population, are working against them.

DG: I think several factors are at play; There are values at play, there are ideologies at play, and there are vested interests that are clearly influencing our governments who don’t have a public interest at heart.

When we talk about the values, I think rather than the values of protecting public health and compassion, many governments have had values of short-term economic gains and have unfortunately not realized that there is no dichotomy between public health and the economy and the countries that have managed to protect the economies the most are the ones that have gotten on top of the virus and managed to contain it.

I think the second thing is ideology. I think there is a lot of libertarian ideology that has influenced governments, particularly in the West, and exceptionalism, where there has been a certain arrogance in not learning lessons from many parts of the world that we could have learned lessons from, and that were affected earlier than us in the pandemic and responded much better.

And I think there are actually disinformation groups and vested interests. And we’ve seen this, for example, the Great Barrington Declaration that came out sometime last year and had a massive influence in policy in many different parts of the world, including the UK, by our senior officials who met with proponents of the Great Barrington Declaration. For those who are unfamiliar with it, they essentially promoted an idea of focused protection of the vulnerable by some sort of shielding and letting the virus spread to the rest of the population for them to develop herd immunity through natural infection. This was obviously unscientific and completely unethical, which has been shown repeatedly now in real world experience as well.

But it’s an idea that’s permeated the consciousness and policy of many countries, including Sweden, I think the Netherlands, certainly the UK and much of the West, which has been quite disappointing to see given there were very positive examples that we could have followed quite early on. And even now it’s not too late to follow those examples.

BM: The press has been speaking about endemicity, that the virus will inevitably become endemic. That’s one of the more sinister strategies of the herd immunity policy that is being promoted, meaning we will have to learn to live with it. The sooner we accept it the better. What are your concerns regarding such a strategy that is being promulgated?

DG: I think endemicity is one of the most poorly understood and most poorly used terms by many scientists who have suggested that endemicity is somehow a good thing. Endemicity is essentially what we see for many diseases now, including malaria. And malaria kills millions of people.

Endemicity essentially means that infection or transmission will continue without an introduction of infections from outside. What you will see is different levels of infection or transmission happening continuously because there’s sort of stable endemicity where one person transmits to another person and the transmission propagates. It doesn’t extinguish. There might be periods where you have high endemicity, where you have high levels of infection. That will of course be devastating for a virus like SARS-CoV-2, which causes long-term disease, which can cause severe illness, and be quite fatal.

Of course, this idea of living with the virus and endemicity leads to new opportunities for the virus to evolve as we’ve already seen, because the more transmission happens, the more mutation happens. And if you have a population that’s partially immune, that sort of high level of mutation hits a sort of partial protection against vaccination, which means that mutations that can escape a vaccine-based immunity or natural immunity are then selected.

And that’s how the adaptation of the virus happens, to escape vaccines, and promotes new variants that are potentially more transmissible and more severe than we’ve seen. People who talk about endemicity often are speaking about benign viruses or the virus becoming benign over time, something like the flu that you live with, that comes in the seasons, kills a few thousand people, as if that’s acceptable. But, in reality, the picture with SARS-CoV-2 is likely to look very different. It is likely it will be a high endemicity situation where the virus continues to adapt and, perhaps, even our vaccines can’t

 keep up with it. In which case we lose much of the gains we’ve already made. This will lead to a sort of pandemic and epidemic cycles.

And this will leave many people disabled with long-term disease. I mean, this is a virus we know can enter the brain, that causes long-term neurological deficits, that causes thinning in parts of the brain that are associated with taste, smell, and memory. We also know it affects different organ systems, even in those people with mild infection.


DJ Looking at statistics US now over 100,000 new cases per day...UK, NL in a limited list of countries reporting cases going down...proberbly because of poor testing strategies.../lies...

[url] https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-minister-lockdown-over-holidays-is-a-last-resort/[/url] or https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-minister-lockdown-over-holidays-is-a-last-resort/ 

DJ Lockdowns are the only way to get some grip in this worsening pandemic 

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Laptop seems to be doing its own thing today...  !

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv9IEBa2B14[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv9IEBa2B14 Dr. John Campbell on vaccinations in children. 

DJ-[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/920998-cidrap-long-covid-19-rare-in-children-study-says[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/920998-cidrap-long-covid-19-rare-in-children-study-says ; Researchers from King's College London used the UK ZOE COVID Symptom Study app from September 2020 to February 2021, coinciding with the reopening of schools, to look at 1,734 children 5 to 17 who had parents or caretakers logging possible symptoms.

DJ Looking at september 20-february 21 statistics may give a wrong picture with Delta. All studies now indicate children get infected and spread Covid 19 as much as adults...they only-so far-did not get ill. Delta is different...one can look at India-april, Indonesia...several other countries....Or find out the hard way...

I am going to feed my laptop some coffee-maybe take some coffee myself as well...

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DJ, 

-A look at numbers and trends [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table ;

US reporting almost 121,000 new cases, 559 deaths...cases +37%, deaths +41%

UK claiming 30,000+ cases, 86 deaths...cases -10%, deaths +14% 

NL claiming 3,358 cases, 11 deaths...cases -40%, deaths +35%

Both the UK and NL did all they could to decrease testing...somehow believing if you do not test cases those cases are not there. These 3 countries in 2019-some claimed-to be "best prepared for a pandemic"...We are now around 20 months in this pandemic...

Israel 4,435 new cases, 6 deaths...cases +75%, deaths +378% from 9 to 43 this week...

India 45,000+ new cases reported and 464 deaths...cases +2%, deaths -5%

Global new cases august 5 was almost 705,000 - deaths 10,392 global reported cases +7%, deaths +5%...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-us-issues-level-4-travel-advisory-do-not-travel-july-19-2021?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-us-issues-level-4-travel-advisory-do-not-travel-july-19-2021?view=stream latest; UK cases -13,7%, testing -11,7%, hospital admissions -4,9% deaths +14,5%

DJ-I could search for ZOE/ONS numbers, they very likely will tell another story...[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts3kuEWPKQo[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts3kuEWPKQo ZOE-UK cases in ZOE-apps also going down...did people "end the app" ? Another factor has to be schools are closed...

-Flutrackers latest posts;  DJ

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921093-cidrap-new-us-covid-19-cases-at-6-month-high[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921093-cidrap-new-us-covid-19-cases-at-6-month-high ;

The fourth wave of COVID-19 continues to crash across the country, with the United States reporting 103,445 new cases yesterday, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Rochelle Walensky, MD, MPH.
In a White House press briefing today, the White House COVID-19 coordinator, Jeff Zients, said seven states with low vaccination rates—Florida, Texas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi—account for half of all new cases and hospitalizations. Florida and Texas alone account for one-third.
Walensky said the 7-day average of new cases is now 89,463, an increase of 43% from the prior week. Average hospital admissions rose to 7,348 new hospitalizations per day.
But in a sign more Americans are understanding the threat posed by the Delta (B1617.2) variant, Zients said the United States saw 864,000 vaccinations in the past 24 hours, the most since Jul 3. And 584,000 of those shots were first doses, the highest that number has been since Jul 1.
The CDC COVID Data Tracker shows 402,010,055 COVID-19 vaccine doses have been delivered and 348,102,478 have been administered in the country, with 49.8% of Americans fully vaccinated (58% have received at least one dose).
"The end game is vaccination," said Anthony Fauci, MD, the White House chief medical adviser. Fauci also said that the United States may soon be administering booster, or third doses, of the mRNA vaccines to immunocompromised people who are not fully protected after the standard two-dose course.
Despite pleas from the World Health Organization to hold off on boosters until 10% of the global population is vaccinated, France, Germany, and Israel are continuing with their plans to give boosters to older and immunocompromised citizens, according to Reuters.

 DJ "The end game is vaccination" : Dr. Fauci...Really ? In the western world the US indeed is low in vaccinations by now...most western countries are at 60% of adults fully vaccinated...but countries like Israel indicate an urgent need for NPI...masks, travel restrictions etc...and the US seems to be reopening for international air travel ! INSANE !!!

[url]https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/[/url] or https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/ ;

While COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective at preventing severe disease, hospitalization, and death from COVID-19 and also reduce the likelihood of mild or asymptomatic infection, a small share of fully vaccinated individuals do become infected, and some become hospitalized or have died. These rare occurrences are known as “breakthrough cases” which are to be expected, and historically known to occur with other vaccines as none is 100% effective.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) currently monitors hospitalizations and deaths, from any cause, among fully vaccinated individuals with COVID-19, but not breakthrough infections, which it stopped monitoring as of May 1. CDC presents this data in aggregate at the national level but not by state, and there is no single, public repository for data by state or data on breakthrough infections, since the CDC stopped monitoring them.

We therefore reviewed the websites and other official state sources for all 50 states and D.C. to see which are providing data on COVID-19 breakthrough cases, hospitalizations and deaths, how regularly, and what those data may tell us. We only used data from official state sources (we did not include data available only in news media reports, for example). Where a state did not provide comparable data on overall COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, or deaths reported over the period in which it captured breakthrough events, we obtained data on cases and deaths from the Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 Dashboard and on hospitalizations from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services for the appropriate period (see methods for more detail).

DJ-In the middle of the worst pandemic in centuries-this is getting worse then the Spanish Flu- the CDC stopped looking at how good vaccines provide protection ???? (More in the link)

Lots of countries-from Iceland to Bangla Desh reporting healthcare getting over its limits...and holiday season is not yet over, schools restart this month...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921027-german-chief-pathologist-sounds-alarm-on-fatal-vaccine-injuries[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921027-german-chief-pathologist-sounds-alarm-on-fatal-vaccine-injuriesThe director of the Pathological Institute of the University of Heidelberg, Peter Schirmacher, has carried out over forty autopsies on people who had died within two weeks of their vaccination. Schirmacher expressed alarm over his findings.

Published: August 3, 2021, 12:42 pm
The regional daily Augsburger Allgemeine reported: “Schirmacher assumes that 30 to 40 percent of them died from the vaccination. In his opinion, the frequency of fatal consequences of vaccinations is underestimated – a politically explosive statement in times when the vaccination campaign is losing momentum, the Delta variant is spreading rapidly and restrictions on non-vaccinated people are being discussed.”

The Merkel administration quickly moved to respond to this “politically explosive” statement from Heidelberg. According to the German Press Agency (dpa), the Paul Ehrlich Institute announced that Schirmacher’s statements were “incomprehensible”. The Chancellor’s lackey, senior German immunologist Thomas Mertens dismissed the findings right away: “I don’t know of any data that would allow a justifiable statement to be made here and I am not assuming an unreported number.”..

DJ ????

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921035-missouri-health-leaders-warn-of-covid-19-increase-in-kids[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921035-missouri-health-leaders-warn-of-covid-19-increase-in-kids“It is true that they do not often experience as many of the severe negative outcomes, such as hospitalization or mortality (as adults),” Schmidt said. "However, that does not mean that we do not currently have children who are experiencing those outcomes ... Which is why we think children require the additional protection of our entire community."

On Tuesday, Dr. Clay Dunagan, of the St. Louis Metropolitan Task Force, said hospitals included in the task force have 20 children under the age of 19 hospitalized with COVID-19, compared with 13 children last week.

Ten of the patients are younger than 12, and the others are between 12 and 18. Three in the youngest age group and four in the oldest were in intensive care “fighting for their lives,” said Dunagan, chief clinical officer for BJC HealthCare.
...
Mercy Emergency Medical Services announced that a Mercy Springfield paramedic, 57-year-old Sue Gregory, died of COVID-19 on Wednesday.

The 58 people who died in Greene County in July was the highest number of deaths in a month since January, the health department said, and their average age was 64, down from 88 in March 2020.

DJ I am not a fan of vaccinating young children...but with Delta(+) we may have no other options left...Do we have to vaccinate children from 2 year old ? Even younger ? Why was "reopening" that important ? 

Some good news [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/treatments/921040-science-broad-betacoronavirus-neutralization-by-a-stem-helix-specific-human-antibody[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/treatments/921040-science-broad-betacoronavirus-neutralization-by-a-stem-helix-specific-human-antibody ;

The spillovers of β-coronaviruses in humans and the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variants highlight the need for broad coronavirus countermeasures. We describe five monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) cross-reacting with the stem helix of multiple β-coronavirus spike glycoproteins isolated from COVID-19 convalescent individuals. Using structural and functional studies we show that the mAb with the greatest breadth (S2P6) neutralizes pseudotyped viruses from three different subgenera through inhibition of membrane fusion and delineate the molecular basis for its cross-reactivity. S2P6 reduces viral burden in hamsters challenged with SARS-CoV-2 through viral neutralization and Fc-mediated effector functions. Stem helix antibodies are rare, oftentimes of narrow specificity and can acquire neutralization breadth through somatic mutations. These data provide a framework for structure-guided design of pan-β-coronavirus vaccines eliciting broad protection.
DJ What I make of this is there is some progress in dealing with beta-coronavirus like Covid...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921019-recipients-of-placebo-jabs-to-have-same-privileges-as-the-fully-vaxxed-uk-minister-says[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921019-recipients-of-placebo-jabs-to-have-same-privileges-as-the-fully-vaxxed-uk-minister-says ;

The British Vaccine Deployment Minister Nadhim Zahawi stretched the incredulity of his subjects once again by announcing that people who have received placebo jabs would be regarded as "fully vaccinated". According to Zahawi, fake shots would be considered proof of vaccination status.

Published: July 30, 2021, 10:34 am
The UK government would grant the recipients of fake jabs all the privileges granted by the NHS Covid Pass, the minister said in remarks given before Parliament on Thursday, because the health pass has an “important role to play in slowing the spread of the virus”. Zahawi urged public venues to adopt the NHS app in order to “keep their clients or their customers safe”.

The private medical information on the NHS app used to grant social participation, shows vaccination status, negative test results or natural immunity.

Zahawi made the same nonsensical statement about fake jabs conferring privileges in two separate exchanges in Parliament after Labour MP Rupa Huq pressured Zahawi about her constituents who took part in Novavax trials. The participants were “now being treated as if they are vax deniers with the texts they get from the NHS,” she complained. She said it was on account of “xenophobia” that trial participants were being excluded. “People think that they are being punished for doing the right thing. Will the Minister rectify that?”

Labour MP Barbara Keeley voiced a similar concern over the “wonderful volunteers” who had joined the Novavax trial.

Zahawi responded by stating that the participants in clinical trials, including the Novavax one, would have their status on the NHS Covid app recorded as “fully vaccinated” even if they received the placebo and not the vaccine. “We are working with other countries to make sure that that is recognised, but as far as the UK is concerned, they will be considered fully vaccinated, whether they have had the placebo or the vaccine,” he promised...

DJ Of course placebo's do NOT offer protection-but volunteers in testing projects need a "special status"...

[url]https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-synagogue-exception-row-cabinet-oks-new-green-pass-virus-restrictions/[/url] or https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-synagogue-exception-row-cabinet-oks-new-green-pass-virus-restrictions/

Ministers gave the final go-ahead to a plan that will significantly expand restrictions on gatherings under the Green Pass system meant to tamp down runaway coronavirus case numbers, despite misgivings over an 11th-hour decision to exempt places of worship.

Starting Sunday, gatherings of any size, indoors and out, will be limited to those who have been vaccinated, recovered from the virus, or who present a negative COVID test, under the Green Pass system, which will also extend to hotels, restaurants and gyms.

While the plan originally included synagogues and other houses of worship, the plan presented to ministers for a vote Thursday night exempted prayer services with fewer than 50 participants, drawing protests from some cabinet members.

DJ So in Israel some high risk groups going to high risk area's are NOT included in restrictions to limit variant spread...

[url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1423490993186246657[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1423490993186246657

Many doctors in Florida like 

 now reporting patients dying much much quicker with #DeltaVariant— no longer weeks in ICU— but dying in just days and sometimes just hours. Delta is a 2.0 pandemic virus. It’s not Wuhan 1.0 anymore.

DJ And "yes" this means more capacity for ICU's untill HCW-ers drop...

-Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A8Gmxz77xg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A8Gmxz77xg ....

DJ-He realy seems to believe the UK is moving out of this crisis ; A further surge in cases related to 19 July is now unlikely Big unknown, what will happen in autumn?  Is it realy Dr. J.C. ? Why would the UK be that different from other countries with allready a high level of fully vaccinated people-like Israel, most EU, Canada ? 

-Music; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWoQW-b6Ph8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWoQW-b6Ph8 Barbara Streisand-Memory ;

Lyrics: Memory, All alone in the moonlight I can dream of the old days Life was beautiful then I remember the time I knew what happiness was Let the memory live again

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The world seems to be well on its way to a third peaking of case numbers. The seven day moving average is closing in on the first peak seen in January this year.  

The average for deaths, as a lagging indicator, is well lagging behind, but it is still rising.  

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DJ, 

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/variant-info.html#Consequence[/url] or https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/variant-info.html#Consequence

A variant of high consequence has clear evidence that prevention measures or medical countermeasures (MCMs) have significantly reduced effectiveness relative to previously circulating variants.

Possible attributes of a variant of high consequence:

In addition to the possible attributes of a variant of concern

  • Impact on Medical Countermeasures (MCM)
    • Demonstrated failure of diagnostic test targets
    • Evidence to suggest a significantly reduction in vaccine effectiveness, a disproportionately high number of vaccine breakthrough cases, or very low vaccine-induced protection against severe disease
    • Significantly reduced susceptibility to multiple Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) or approved therapeutics
    • More severe clinical disease and increased hospitalizations

A variant of high consequence would require notification to WHO under the International Health Regulations, reporting to CDC, an announcement of strategies to prevent or contain transmission, and recommendations to update treatments and vaccines.

How far is the Delta variant away from this definition ? A lot of experts see Delta as a "restart" of the pandemic. "Demonstrated faillure" and "evidence" come AFTER the facts...by then the "variant of high consequence" is totally out of control...

Running behind the facts....

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2 allready lists 19 variants (+ several sub-types like Delta+). Sequencing is in fact hardly there-often less then 1% of all tested cases-while testing went down as well...we may have now less view of new variants then earlier on during this pandemic. 

The US may be seeing increased numbers of Lambda-C37 (Peru) and Colombia-variants (=B.1.621) ;

[url]https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fvariant-proportions.html#variant-proportions[/url] or https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fvariant-proportions.html#variant-proportions  In the CDC statistics on variants I notice B.1.621 = 1,1% and B.1.621.1 = 0,6%. 

On US State-level "other lineages" -sometimes +10%-may be hiding the under current of new variants increasing...

-Numbers in general [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ show USA now over 130,000 new cases, 750 deaths...trends cases +35%,  deaths +48%...

In the UK trends; cases -6%, deaths +18%, NL cases -36%, deaths +28% In both countries it looks like cases did start dropping after schools closed, Euro-2020, some limits to nightlife...Both UK and NL are doing (a lot) better in vaccinations then the US...

Still reopening because reaching a high level of vaccinations has proven itself to be very unwise...Israel is now in crisis WITH high level of vaccinations...

A country like Germany-that kept lots of restrictions and a high level of vaccinations is doing better. (Yes cases +22% but from a much lower starting point, deaths -20%. 

Looking at "DPM" (Deaths per million) US has 1,899, UK 1,907, NL 1,040 (with a lot of deaths NOT in the statistics...NL proberbly in same range as US and UK....), Germany 1,097, Israel 699. A country like Finland has a DPM of "only" 177, Denmark 439 , Norway 147, Cuba 288.....

DJ-Just like in the climate collapse dossier-in this pandemic dossier we are in the "damage control" scenario...a downward, exponential decline...with the "best possible goals" being saving some time and quality of live...Maybe we will think of something clever to get out of these crises...we created them...so who knows ? 

Some global numbers-as far as tested/reported; August 6 global cases 695,000-, deaths 10,155. Trends cases +7%, deaths +5%. 

April 29-2021 did see 903,184 new cases, january 20-2021 did see 17,504 deaths based on Worldometers...

-Flutracker (etc) latest posts; 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921174-china-partial-list-from-available-sources-closed-management-thread-i-e-lockdowns-semi-lockdowns-school-closures-transportation-halts-etc-august-6[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921174-china-partial-list-from-available-sources-closed-management-thread-i-e-lockdowns-semi-lockdowns-school-closures-transportation-halts-etc-august-6  DJ-An overview based on what made the press...both China and Australia do show how hard it is to get Delta-variant(s) under control; 

China cases +51% from 413 last week to 623 this week, no deaths reported-with massive restrictions/testing. Australia-a lot of lockdowns-cases still +34% last week 1,327 this week 1,779...deaths +43% from 7 to 10 "still limited"....

For comparison Israel cases +63% last week 13,366 this week 21,762...deaths 12 last week, 47 this week +292% a few months ago Israel had less then 100 new cases per week...no deaths...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/920917-nih-lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-from-covid-19?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/920917-nih-lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-from-covid-19?view=stream latest ; 

The team – from The Rockefeller University in New York – found that between a first (prime) and second (booster) shot of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, the memory B cells of infection-naïve individuals produced antibodies that evolved increased neutralizing activity against SARS-CoV-2.

However, no additional increase in the potency or breadth of this activity was observed thereafter.

“Memory antibodies selected over time by natural infection have greater potency and breadth than antibodies elicited by vaccination,” says Michel Nussenzweig and colleagues.

The researchers say the findings suggest that boosting vaccinated individuals would elicit a quantitative increase in neutralizing activity, but not the qualitative advantage against SARS-CoV-2 variants produced when convalescent individuals are vaccinated.

DJ Vaccines have limited use...can not do the miracles som e expected from them...we may be able to get some grip combining a high level of vaccination with very strict NPI...but communications, politics show themselves to be the main disaster...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/920914-japan-controvery-only-covid-19-patients-who-are-seriously-ill-and-those-at-risk-of-becoming-so%C2%A0will-be-hospitalized-august-4-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/asia-ad/asia-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/920914-japan-controvery-only-covid-19-patients-who-are-seriously-ill-and-those-at-risk-of-becoming-so%C2%A0will-be-hospitalized-august-4-2021 

DJ-Japan is just one of many countries showing a growing hospital crisis. The "good news" is vaccines tend do decrease virus spread...DJ-I think a lot of better informed, more vulnarable people, limit social activities. Also schools closed does help ! Wise parents proberbly will not send their children to school when holiday is over...(or wise kids refuse to go there !). In many countries schools have no good ventilation, no mandatory masks or social distance but will see a mix of all kinds of variants spreading...

If governments would start dealing with this pandemic they would keep schools closed till summer 2022...I know it will be hard for children-but it is harder to face death or long term damage...But governments most likely will reboost wave 4 with inaction...maybe close schools when most of the pupils are infected...

[url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing500% hospitalizations surge—one Houston Texas hospital sees 6x rise (500% increase) in just 3 weeks. Pijl naar rechtsMost age<50 with zero underlying condition! 95% ARE NOT VACCINATED! Doctor: we are “Fighting a war against #COVID19 & human stupidity”.

DJ Delta variant spreading much faster, also killing much faster...once on the ICU a lot of patients are "gone" within hours...

[url]https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD[/url] or https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD  DJ Also lots of good info ! The only effective strategy is zero-covid ! That should still be the goal-had to be the goal from day 1 !!!!

-Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xh0uBM-5MI[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xh0uBM-5MI 

Info under the video...DJ-Vaccines make a difference but ONLY in combination with very strict NPI...Starting massive first vaccinations in some US states while Delta is exploding may result in variants getting better in evading immunity...(It is not only to late, it has also become an increased risk...)

Music; David Bowie - Heroes (just for one day !) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXgkuM2NhYI[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXgkuM2NhYI 


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DJ, 

-Numbers-trends are a bit more interesting then the daily numbers. Still yesterdays 570,000+ new cases, 9,027 reported deaths is allready high for a weekend. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table ; glonal cases +5%, deaths +4%.

For the US cases +24%, deaths +36%, UK cases -2% (only), deaths +28%, NL claiming cases -32%, deaths +29%...DJ-Again-both NL and UK are simply not testing enough people...want to miss cases. Germany cases +27%, deaths -21%, France cases +6%, deaths + 29%...but in general the picture looks very mixed...some countries report explosion of cases, while other-nearby-countries report strong decrease of cases/deaths...I think Israel may give a realistic picture of what most western countries may expect; cases +59% last week 14,620 cases-this week cases went up to 23,308 cases...on a population of 9,3 million. Deaths even more alarming +313% ! Israel did see 15 deaths last week, 62 this week...

There is discussion on how much more deathly the Delta-variant is. A higher viral load means more people catch viral parts...If you catch a high viral load you-even with vaccination-have a "stronger viral invasion" to deal with...Yes-vaccines will help but the higher viral load still is an issue ! But also much more people getting ill with limited hospital capacity means Delta is more deathly ...There is limited room at ICU, limited ventilators, limited, exhausted staff...More HCW-ers may get infected...and they are human beings...not robots !

Each monday this month schools will restart in some regions, countries...often with limited ventilation, children NOT vaccinated, a lot of imported variants...International air travel in many places is almost at pre-pandemic levels-while new variants are popping up...

Those vaccines were good for Big Pharma profits...but simply have NO use if governments use them this insane way !

S T O P   T H E   S P R E A D   ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! 

-Flutrackers etc. 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921246-china-as-of-august-7-there-are-7-high-risk-areas-and-197-medium-risk-areas-across-the-country-one-doctor-tests-negative-7-times-before-a-positive-result-yangzhou-urgently-asks-for-help-august-8-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921246-china-as-of-august-7-there-are-7-high-risk-areas-and-197-medium-risk-areas-across-the-country-one-doctor-tests-negative-7-times-before-a-positive-result-yangzhou-urgently-asks-for-help-august-8-2021(Original title: Re-accountability! Nine people in Nanjing have been dealt with! Zhengzhou just notified that 1 doctor diagnosed, and the first 7 nucleic acids were negative! Yangzhou Guangling urgently asks for help: N95 masks and other anti-epidemic materials are urgently needed! Many students in Yangzhou are infected)
Zhengzhou: Start the third round of full-staff testing! The strictest prevention and control! The number of closed and controlled communities in Wuhan increased to 157

DJ China does not joke with this pandemic. I do not know if vaccinations are mandatory but it is simply a civil duty to get vaccinated...(and that has nothing to do with "communism" but a lot with "sense for community" , just like masks wearing...East Asia has other idea's on individualism then the west...by tradition. )

Both China cases +56 % last week 433, this week 675, 0 deaths, and Australia cases +39% last week 1,375 this week 1,915 deaths +88% from 8 to 15...Australia population is 25,8 million...have strict regulations...limited numbers compared to most other countries but face serious problems getting Covid/Delta under control. 

See also [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-h5n1-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-h5n2-h10n8-outbreak-tracking/921245-china-huai-an-officials-issue-an-emergency-ban-declaring-a-total-ban-on-live-poultry-trading-jiangsu-province-august-7-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-h5n1-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-h5n2-h10n8-outbreak-tracking/921245-china-huai-an-officials-issue-an-emergency-ban-declaring-a-total-ban-on-live-poultry-trading-jiangsu-province-august-7-2021 ;

In order to conscientiously implement the deployment of the Provincial Party Committee, the Municipal Party Committee and the Municipal Government on the prevention and control of the new coronavirus pneumonia epidemic and the "Emergency Notice of the Provincial Party Committee Office and the Provincial Government Office on the Prevention and Control of the New Coronavirus Pneumonia Epidemic" (Su Office of the People’s Republic of China (2020) No. 10), “Notice of the Municipal Party Committee Office and Municipal Government Office on Establishing a Working Mechanism for Joint Prevention and Control of Pneumonia Epidemics Infected by New Coronavirus” (Huaiban Chuan (2020) No. 10), and “The Municipal Patriotic and Health Association's Notice on Issuing The "Huai'an City's Implementation Plan for the Implementation of the Patriotic Sanitation Campaign" (Huaiaiwei [2021] No. 3) requires that people’s lives, health and safety be effectively guaranteed. 

With the consent of the municipal government, from now on, the city’s urban built-up area farmer’s market , It is strictly forbidden to sell live poultry in the market and slaughter live poultry on site, and prohibit illegal wildlife trading .


Operators who are still selling live poultry in the market and slaughtering live poultry after the issuance of this notice shall be ordered to stop their operations immediately; those who refuse to stop their operations shall be investigated and dealt with in accordance with the law; if a crime is constituted, they shall be transferred to the public security organs in accordance with the law.

DJ The Flutrackers link mention a lot of flutypes...the article mention corona-rules to stop live poultry trade...Was there some Covid variant detected in poultry ? Or is the new rule related to flu-types ? China also sticks to the story of viral spread via frozen goods...

The west did ignore news from China early 2020-then blamed China for not being "open"...Well they do not speak English as a national language in most of China...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/917728-uk-more-than-50-of-deaths-from-delta-variant-are-in-the-vaccinated?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/917728-uk-more-than-50-of-deaths-from-delta-variant-are-in-the-vaccinated?view=stream latest;  It should be noted that this data covers a time period from when very few people had been vaccinated to when there was excellent coverage in the higher risk groups so it is difficult to draw meaning from it.

Looking in a little more detail you can see a fairly rapid change from Alpha to Delta VOC dominance occurred at the beginning of May (figure 5 page 22). In the over 50s vaccine coverage is currently about 90% and, as the under 50s started to be offered shots mid July, most of the older group will have had two shots by the time Delta achieved dominance.


Going back to the table 5 data we can see in the over 50s 389 deaths in the fully vaccinated and 205 deaths in the vaccinated. But as there are 9 times as many vaccinated as unvaccinated we need to multiply 205 by 9 giving 1845 showing a little under 5 times the death rate for the unvaccinated.
The maths is more complicated for 'All cases' without a breakdown by age group and vaccination status but we do have usable data for the high risk group.

Table 4 gives the deaths for Alpha (over 50s - 4.8%, all cases - 1.1%) and Delta (2%, 0.2%) which seems to show Alpha to be far more lethal but is probably more a reflection of the overall vaccine coverage at the time each was dominant.

DJ Statistics do by now get very complicated ! Since most people in many countries (certainly the +50 often +40 y/o age groups) are vaccinated we soon may get a more realistic picture on how good the different vaccines work out. But another factor is are you vaccinated in an area with 20% vaccinations-so a lot of variants spread-or in an area with 80% vaccination ? 

Un unvaccinated person in an area with 80%+ vaccinations may be-I guess-just as safe as if he/she had been vaccinated...A vulnarable older person in an area with just 20% vaccinations may only see very limited benefit from the vaccine...

You may have "herd immunity" but I think there is also a sort of "herd protection" factor...The more vaccinations in an area the more safe you will be...

Also from the UK [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/921086-uk-cat-deaths-toxic-cat-foods-suspected[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/921086-uk-cat-deaths-toxic-cat-foods-suspected latest; Feline Pancytopenia Update

Published: 02 Aug 2021 | Last Updated: 02 Aug 2021 08:20:52

Last updated - Monday 2nd August 2021

The RVC is aware of 528 cats that are known to us based on cases treated at our own hospitals and information provided by some vets in the UK. Of these there was 63.5% mortality at time of reporting.

NB. This data probably represents only a percentage of cases, as many cats may not be presented to a veterinary practice and/or investigated by a vet. Only a small percentage of the vets in the UK are actively reporting to the RVC at this time.

DJ [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancytopenia[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancytopenia

Iatrogenic causes of pancytopenia include chemotherapy for malignancies if the drug or drugs used cause bone marrow suppression. Rarely, drugs (antibiotics, blood pressure medication, heart medication) can cause pancytopenia. For example, the antibiotic chloramphenicol can cause pancytopenia in some individuals.[1]

Rarely, pancytopenia may have other causes, such as mononucleosis or other viral diseases. Increasingly, HIV is itself a cause of pancytopenia.

So is this somehow linked to Covid ? We know cats can catch the virus, if thet get ill symptoms are mild, cold like was the idea...No doubt there will be more studies ! Also-in general-as far as I know-cats get Covid from their humans...not very likely from non-human hosts/other cats...We need to learn more !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921232-seven-residents-of-belgian-nursing-home-die-after-outbreak-of-b-1-621-lineage-of-covid-19[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921232-seven-residents-of-belgian-nursing-home-die-after-outbreak-of-b-1-621-lineage-of-covid-19 ; Seven residents of a nursing home in Belgium have died after being infected with a lineage of the coronavirus first detected in Colombia despite being fully vaccinated, the virology team that conducted tests said on Friday.

The virology team said the residents had been infected with the B.1.621 lineage of COVID-19 that originated in Colombia and has been detected in recent weeks in the United States but cases in Europe have been rare.

The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control has listed the B1.621 lineage as part of the Kappa variant of the coronavirusbut not as a variant itself.

The seven people who died at the nursing home in the Belgian town of Zaventem, near Brussels, were all in their 80s or 90s, and some of them were already in a poor physical condition, said Marc Van Ranst, a virologist at the University of Leuven which conducted tests on the virus found at the nursing home.

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A visitor probably at the origin of the detected outbreak

A visitor is probably behind the outbreak of coronavirus detected at the Ter Burg rest and care home in Zaventem, where seven vaccinated residents died after contracting the virus, the Flemish Health Care Agency said on Friday.

"The person in question was asymptomatic. She had visited the nursing home a few days before performing a positive test," explains the agency door Ria Vandenreyt. "The first contamination - the visitor's contact - occurred in the first half of July," she continues. “The high-risk contacts of the first infected resident were immediately quarantined and tested.” The affected department accommodates people with dementia, making quarantine difficult. When it emerged that there were multiple infections, the facility rolled out testing and isolation. "A total of 21 residents and seven staff members were infected.

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A variant "to follow"

The two Belgian scientists therefore wanted to be reassuring about the dangerousness of the "Colombian variant" (it has not yet received an official name). "It seems unlikely to me that it is stronger than the delta, " said Marc Van Ranst. " According to British research, there is no reason to believe that it is more contagious, pathogenic or fatal. " The virologist still called to keep an eye on the mutation. The WHO has also classified it in the category of "to follow" variants.

What do we know about its presence in Belgium?

If the variant was detected for the first time in January in Colombia, it was not until June that it entered our territory. Twenty outbreaks of contamination have been observed since then, which remains a lower figure compared to what is happening in countries such as the United States or the United Kingdom where the Colombian variant is more widespread.

DJ One asymptomatic person introduced the Colombia-variant into the nursing home. The seven people that died often were not very healthy-but all fully vaccinated ! In total 21 persons in the care center did get infected. Very limited numbers...but simply not good news ! When did the seven people that died get vaccinated-could protection have been decreasing ? What is know of other Colombia-variant cases ? (And why some of the Colombia-variant findings are put with the Kappa-India variant ? Should the Colombia variant be seen as a further mutation of the Kappa variant ? Could Kappa variant mutate in more regions this way ? [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Kappa_variant[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Kappa_variant  is detected in +55 countries...)

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/913781-covid-19-vaccine-dangers-side-effects-controversy?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/913781-covid-19-vaccine-dangers-side-effects-controversy?view=stream latest; Dr. John Campbell addresses the issue of vaccinators not aspirating prior to injection to be sure they are not doing vascular injection. Aspiration is usually SOP when doing injections. People with medical experience notice this right away. In the US, they are being told NOT to aspirate injecting the vaccines. I read that this is because it would take too much time and that aspirating can be painful. (Not if you don't wiggle a needle in someone's vein.)
Some think that intravascular injections could be the cause of rare side effects.

DJ Dr.J.C. simply is very correct at this point ! He did get very angry over the stupidity of how vaccinations sometimes are done...not at the right spot, not checking if a blood vessel was hit...A lot of the problems with vaccinations could be related to how the "job/jab" is done !

[url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDingwe need to mask kids in school damnit. The #DeltaVariant is a clear and present danger to kids now. Hospitalization numbers don’t lie.

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Why the hell is Texas stopping contact tracing and reporting of cases to parents during this epic surge of #DeltaVariant in the South? Makes zero sense.

DJ Is the US on its way to another "India-scenario" ? 

[url]https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD[/url] or https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD Also good on calculations etc...

-Dr. John Campbell on long Covid in children [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqc_Dzx9P2Y[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqc_Dzx9P2Y 

Music ; Into Each Life Some Rain Must Fall - Ella Fitzgerald & The Inkspots [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ9IaplRrm4[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ9IaplRrm4 

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DJ, [url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing ; Let this sink in—if each US state was a country… Louisiana, Florida, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Alabama would each be #2, #5, and #7-9 worst hotspots for #COVID19 in the world! P.s. Oklahoma, Texas, S Carolina, Missouri are also #15-18 worst.

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“Ochsner Medical Center reported this week that the new average age of a pediatric COVID-19 patient is now **5-years-old** Waarschuwingsteken In June, the average age of a child admitted with COVID-19 was 16-years-old. In July, the average age dropped to 12-years-old.” Today, 5 years old!!!

Another way of looking at numbers...[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table ; global cases +2%, deaths +3%...A 114 countries reporting an increase, UK now at +2%. For the number of deaths 94 countries reporting an increase.

DJ-My impression is a lot of people do not test when they should test-by rule...Here in NL after returning from another country in most cases you have to be vaccinated or get tested...if you do not you may (small chance) gat a 90€ fine...testing is often more expensive..

Indonesia has been seeing over 1,000 deaths for several days...The coming week we will proberbly see +700/800,000 new cases per day...people returning from vacation-testing when they feel there is a problem...massive spreading...

-Flutracker (etc).

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/921155-guinea-records-probable-case-of-ebola-like-marburg-virus[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-ah/921155-guinea-records-probable-case-of-ebola-like-marburg-virus latest; Hmm. A man who has been institutionalized for the past 2 years with mental issues and dementia doesn't seem likely to be the first person in his country to contract Marburg. Many hemorrhagic fevers, including Lassa, Ebola, and Marburg can cause acute mental issues, but it's not likely to produce an illness lasting for years. Could the man have contracted the virus as a patient in a hospital at some point in the past couple weeks?

Are we sure the man didn't have Ebola? Ebola and Marburg are both filoviruses and could conceivably be cross-reactive in a rapid-test. Is there any evidence that this man might have had contacts to the previous Ebola outbreaks in this area, and perhaps was suffering from the after-effects or relapse of a previous infection? Other than the rapid-test positive for Marburg, there's no mention of any other tests on the patient.

Obviously, there are a wide range of things other than Ebola and Marburg that could have caused this man's illness.

There's more questions than answers here so far.

DJ There are lots of other nasty diseases out there-since all attention now goes to Covid we may overlook other risks..

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latest; The epidemiologist believes that it is now necessary to try to achieve herd immunity to the coronary virus by letting it continue, but to try to prevent serious illness by protecting vulnerable groups. He says the goal at this point cannot be to eradicate the virus from society.

One and a half months after the abolition of all domestic operations, a record number have been diagnosed infected in recent weeks, despite the fact that the majority of the population has been vaccinated.

Þórólfur Guðnason said in Sprengisandur in Bylgjan this morning that it is disappointing that herd immunity has not been achieved with vaccination. He says there is only one other way to achieve herd immunity, to allow the virus to spread throughout the community.

DJ There is a lot of disagreement on "herd immunity" and alternatives...I do not believe coronavirus will see herd immunity, or get mild, we "have to stop the beast"...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/901004-ivermectin-a-useful-treatment-for-covid-19-coronavirus-some-discussion-and-studies?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/901004-ivermectin-a-useful-treatment-for-covid-19-coronavirus-some-discussion-and-studies?view=stream latests; Results
Of 3892 employees, 3532 (90.8%) participated in the study. The ivermectin uptake was 62.5% and 5.3% for two doses and single dose, respectively. Participants who took ivermectin prophylaxis had a lower risk of getting symptoms suggestive of SARS-CoV-2 infection (6% vs 15%). HCWs who had taken two doses of oral ivermectin had a significantly lower risk of contracting COVID-19 infection during the following month (ARR 0.17; 95% CI, 0.12-0.23). Females had a lower risk of contracting COVID-19 than males (ARR 0.70; 95% CI, 0.52-0.93). The absolute risk reduction of SARS-CoV-2 infection was 9.7%. Only 1.8% of the participants reported adverse events, which were mild and self-limiting.

Conclusion
Two doses of oral ivermectin (300 μg/kg/dose given 72 hours apart) as chemoprophylaxis among HCWs reduced the risk of COVID-19 infection by 83% in the following month. Safe, effective, and low-cost chemoprophylaxis has relevance in the containment of pandemic alongside vaccine.

https://www.cureus.com/articles/6480...rkers#abstract

DJ Since Ivermectin may be easy to produce, cheap, why is it not used more ? 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/immunity-aa/921251-risk-of-rapid-evolutionary-escape-from-biomedical-interventions-targeting-sars-cov-2-spike-protein[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/immunity-aa/921251-risk-of-rapid-evolutionary-escape-from-biomedical-interventions-targeting-sars-cov-2-spike-protein ;

Abstract

The spike protein receptor-binding domain (RBD) of SARS-CoV-2 is the molecular target for many vaccines and antibody-based prophylactics aimed at bringing COVID-19 under control. 

Such a narrow molecular focus raises the specter of viral immune evasion as a potential failure mode for these biomedical interventions. 

With the emergence of new strains of SARS-CoV-2 with altered transmissibility and immune evasion potential, a critical question is this: how easily can the virus escape neutralizing antibodies (nAbs) targeting the spike RBD? 

To answer this question, we combined an analysis of the RBD structure-function with an evolutionary modeling framework. 

Our structure-function analysis revealed that epitopes for RBD-targeting nAbs overlap one another substantially and can be evaded by escape mutants with ACE2 affinities comparable to the wild type, that are observed in sequence surveillance data and infect cells in vitro

This suggests that the fitness cost of nAb-evading mutations is low. 

We then used evolutionary modeling to predict the frequency of immune escape before and after the widespread presence of nAbs due to vaccines, passive immunization or natural immunity. 


Our modeling suggests that SARS-CoV-2 mutants with one or two mildly deleterious mutations are expected to exist in high numbers due to neutral genetic variation, and consequently resistance to vaccines or other prophylactics that rely on one or two antibodies for protection can develop quickly -and repeatedly- under positive selection. 


Predicted resistance timelines are comparable to those of the decay kinetics of nAbs raised against vaccinal or natural antigens, raising a second potential mechanism for loss of immunity in the population. 

Strategies for viral elimination should therefore be diversified across molecular targets and therapeutic modalities.

DJ The vaccination strategy was aimed at getting herd immunity in a short time...But leaky vaccines can NOT get us herd immunity...we knew from the start. For now vaccines offer protection against more severe disease-most of the time. New variants will escape from this form of vaccine immunity...AGAIN !!!! If you look at how hard it is to get corona virus in animals under control you would go for another strategy !!! There is no room for "living with this coronavirus" ...it will develop into a massive killer when it gets the chance ! 

Covid19 is NOT a flu !!!! So you need a different strategy ! Stop the...well you know what...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/immunity-aa/905004-cell-rep-enhancement-versus-neutralization-by-sars-cov-2-antibodies-from-a-convalescent-donor-associates-with-distinct-epitopes-on-the-rbd[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/immunity-aa/905004-cell-rep-enhancement-versus-neutralization-by-sars-cov-2-antibodies-from-a-convalescent-donor-associates-with-distinct-epitopes-on-the-rbd ;

Several potent neutralizing antibodies against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) virus have been identified. However, antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) has not been comprehensively studied for SARS-CoV-2, and the relationship between enhancing versus neutralizing activities and antibody epitopes remains unknown. 

Here, we select a convalescent individual with potent IgG neutralizing activity and characterize his antibody response. Monoclonal antibodies isolated from memory B cells target four groups of five non-overlapping receptor-binding domain (RBD) epitopes. Antibodies to one group of these RBD epitopes mediate ADE of entry in Raji cells via an Fcγ receptor-dependent mechanism.

 In contrast, antibodies targeting two other distinct epitope groups neutralize SARS-CoV-2 without ADE, while antibodies against the fourth epitope group are poorly neutralizing. One antibody, XG014, potently cross-neutralizes SARS-CoV-2 variants, as well as SARS-CoV-1, with respective IC50 (50% inhibitory concentration) values as low as 5.1 and 23.7 ng/mL, while not exhibiting ADE. Therefore, neutralization and ADE of human SARS-CoV-2 antibodies correlate with non-overlapping RBD epitopes.

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"Antibodies from our donor bound to five non-overlapping RBD epitopes, similar to other studies reporting three or four distinct antigenic sites within RBD (
Liu et al., 2020a;Robbiani et al., 2020;Rogers et al., 2020;Wec et al., 2020;Wu et al., 2020c;Zost et al., 2020a).

 Importantly, we found a significant association of ADE with one of five non-overlapping antibody binding RBD epitopes. This was a surprising result given that no such epitope-ADE relationship has ever been reported for coronaviruses to the best of our knowledge. The underlying mechanism warrants further investigation."

DJ Translation; a person recovering from Covid19/SARS-2 developed 5 antibodies (a.o.) one of those antibodies went ADE...welcoming not fighting the virus...(what I understand is the person was not vaccinated so the ADE was natural immunity going wrong for one antibody...)

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement ; Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), sometimes less precisely called immune enhancement or disease enhancement, is a phenomenon in which binding of a virus to suboptimal antibodies enhances its entry into host cells, followed by its replication.[1][2] 

ADE may cause enhanced respiratory disease and acute lung injury after respiratory virus infection (ERD) with symptoms of monocytic infiltration and an excess of eosinophils in respiratory tract.[3] 

ADE along with type 2 T helper cell-dependent mechanisms may contribute to a development of the vaccine associated disease enhancement (VADE), which is not limited to respiratory disease.[3] 

Some vaccine candidates that targeted coronaviruses, RSV virus and Dengue virus elicited VADE, and were terminated from further development or became approved for use only for patients who have had those viruses before.

DJ I HATE ADE !!!!

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921249-israel-shifts-to-moderna-vaccine-as-minister-warns-delta-covid-won-t-disappear-soon[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921249-israel-shifts-to-moderna-vaccine-as-minister-warns-delta-covid-won-t-disappear-soon ; Health Minister Horowitz says the battle against the delta variant could last many months. So far, Israel has relied on the Pfizer vaccine in its inoculation drive, but as of August, much of the public will be getting Moderna.

Noticed this recent interview with Dr. Malone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJYWUTSDv8I He discusses ADE possibilities. He says ADE would be seen during the waning of immunity, if seen at all. He said Pfizer's mRNA vaccine would be likely to show such a pattern first due to it having less potency than the Moderna vaccine. I think he said the adenovirus vaccines would show ADE later. So it is interesting that Israel is making the change.

Now this - less cases that are more serious in a heavily vaccinated country?

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...ged-1.10098148
COVID in Israel: Rise in Serious Cases as Fewer New Cases Logged
Going into a lockdown is 'a last resort,' Israeli Health Minister Nitzan Horowitz said on Sunday, as a slew of new restrictions go into effect to stop the spread of the delta COVID variant
Haaretz
Aug. 8, 2021 9:21 AM

DJ Vaccines giving less immunity/protection is one thing, "helping" the virus to get into the cells is a nightmare...

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/restrictions-unvaxxed-see-explosion-fake-vaccination-cards-us-eu[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/restrictions-unvaxxed-see-explosion-fake-vaccination-cards-us-eu DJ-There is very likely a lot of trade in fake-vaccines...

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/14-israelis-have-caught-covid-19-even-after-booster-shot-some-hospitalized[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/14-israelis-have-caught-covid-19-even-after-booster-shot-some-hospitalized DJ Israel allready over 1/3 of booster-group did get booster vaccine. Some experts say it only will have some effect if the third vaccine is a totally different vaccine then the previous vaccines (so after m-RNA vaccine Adeno-based AstraZeneca/Sputnik-5 may add some extra protection...Booster-vaccines in vulnarables will take three weeks to build immunity...so claiming after just one week "boosters are useless is non-sense") . 

-Twitter; 

[url]https://twitter.com/JacobBAguilar[/url] or https://twitter.com/JacobBAguilar ;

Asymptomatic COVID-19 carriers may be more contagious than previously thought: researchers | FOX 13 Tampa Bay

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This level of pandemic severity calls for all non-pharmaceutical interventions at our disposal in combination with increased vaccination rates. 

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515 days since the  

 declared COVID-19 a global pandemic. So far, we have not been able to gain control over the spread.   Asymptomatic carriers + Airborne transmission = a lethal combination Airborne interventions are necessary to reduce R_e(t) to a manageable level.

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New variants emerge which are more transmissible and resistant to the vaccines. Vaccines are changing human behavior. Airborne mitigation is lacking on a large scale. All of these factors change the herd immunity equation. We are losing the race.

DJ Dealing with this pandemic still does not seem to be a top priority...As far as I can see the "fight" ("wars" were not successtories...made matters worse...) may be long term and will change the way we live. We will have no other options...but will go that way only after tens of millions of people have died...

-Some very welcome positive news [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZxgDNYisXw[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZxgDNYisXwSince the start of the #covid pandemic, scientists have been hard at work trying to either treat or #vaccinate against the still-spreading virus. But what if existing drugs already hold the key? This question has been asked many times, and now #Israeli researchers may have an #answer.

DJ-Hebrew University-Jerusalem did find 18 medications may be able to limit Covid 19 (out of 2800 components tested in vitro...DJ-No doubt University is also testing in vivo-so in patients...to save lives.) 

In general; I think real number of cases-also symptomatic cases-is much, much higher...The story of vaccinated people only getting hay-fever like symptoms did start people avoid testing at testing sites. There are lots of good self-tests...you can do at home in your own time...

The number of vaccinated people spreading the virus asymptomatic (or only very mild symptoms that may be caused also by many other factors...I have a headache when I close my bedroom window at night..) is proberbly quite high...speeding up vaccine escape. 

The problem is not in the vaccinated people but in the testing strategy (or lack of it...) When you look at China testing Wuhan population of 11+ million TWICE !!! in ONE WEEK !!!! you know what is wrong with western testing strategy ! 

Covid19 is on its way to become a massive killer soon...and we are not doing enough to stop it ! 

Music; NL Rock [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkmad-ZZBgM[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkmad-ZZBgM Ekseption-Rhapsody In Blue...around 1970...

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"The problem with bad news is nobody wants to hear it"...


DJ-I can not think no one else did think of such a line...Now I did think of it as well ! Love it ! 

And of course...more then enough bad news...the IPCC report...basically not that much news in it-Paris climate treaty was in 2015-"we" made it worse since then...

This pandemic fits as well-"we" know what to do, just do not do it...

-Numbers-because counting is the basis of controlling !!! That is why numbers were invented over 6,000 years a go !

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ global cases for monday-august 9-reflecting limited testing the day before...almost 525,000 with 8,042 deaths...proberbly the "lowest point" in the weekly numbers...

US +100,000 tested, reported cases. Indonesia 1,475 deaths...Iran over 40,000 cases, Russia 769 deaths...

Trends; Cases +5%, deaths +3%...UK now at cases +6%, deaths +15%, NL cases -20%, deaths +50% (28 to 40 this week)...

People will take a test when they need medical care...the "decrease of cases" was false statistics ! People only show up later for testing-often when "hay fever like symptoms" get worse,,,so hospital cases will go up...

Israel cases up +58% 26,733 new cases last 7 days...deaths went from 26 to 72 last week +177%, over 10 deaths per day on a population of 9,3 million...Israel is maybe ahead of most other western countries a month, two months...

So what is happening in Israel will be happening where you live next month...with most likely less vaccinations, more wearher, urban factors making the outcome worse-not better. 

US cases +31%, deaths +34% ...

The US had 11 deaths per million last 7 days, UK 9, Israel 8, NL 2...The British Virgin Islands would have had 197 dpm last week...on a population of just over 30,000...translating to 6 deaths ....For all of this pandemic Peru still has most dpm...5,885 per million=0,5885% of its population...Of course a lot of countries do not report realistic numbers...India claiming 307 dpm...a total of 428,715 deaths...

If you would go for the Peru % on India population (so 0,5885% on 1,394,375,829 India population) you end up at 8,209,433 India deaths...To be honest-that number proberbly is more realistic...but "bad news no one wants to hear..."

To keep numbers simple-if you put global population at 8 billion then 0,5% of them would be 40 million..almost 10x the "official deaths" statistic for this pandemic...Spanish Flu killed between 2 and 5% of global population=160 to 400 million...Growth per year of global population could be something like 80 million..(EdwinSm came up with that number...so proberbly correct..good info !)

Can we get global population reduction = can number of deaths + children not born go over 80 million per year ? I think the answer is "yes"...with proberbly most of the reduction in less children being born...also aging is a factor. The global number of women able to give birth may decrease...(and a hard part is pregnant women catching Covid I believe have 20X more chance to end up at ICU...). 

-Flutrackers etc...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-us-issues-level-4-travel-advisory-do-not-travel-july-19-2021?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-us-issues-level-4-travel-advisory-do-not-travel-july-19-2021?view=stream latest; UK cases now +5,2%, deaths +14,8% hospital admission going down (for now) -15,8%, testing -5,6..

DJ Cases going up while testing is going down is "not a good sign"...

Again; this month, early september, schools will reopen...unvaccinated children mixing variants...infecting eachother, teachers/staff, (grand)parents and othe family..."We' could stop it, should stop it but do NOT stop it...

Just like [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina a disaster you can see is coming...but nobody seems to be responsible...

Flutracker full of US stories of ICU, ECMO's running out, cases going up in care centers...The southern US is "in" for an "India-Delta-scenario" ....do not blame the unvaccinated but blame the failing political system putting economy first...killing people AND destroying the economy ! 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921325-israel-serious-cases-swell-we%E2%80%99re-at-a-morbidity-level-where-countless-sick-people-are-walking-around-outside[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921325-israel-serious-cases-swell-we%E2%80%99re-at-a-morbidity-level-where-countless-sick-people-are-walking-around-outsideAs Serious Cases Swell, Israel's COVID Contact-tracing Can't Keep Up

Some 10,000 new cases were reported over the past three days, with epidemiological investigations conducted on only 40 percent of them. The military's contact-tracing center is short-staffed after cuts were made since the peak of the COVID pandemic

Ido Efrati
Aug. 9, 20
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“The Health Ministry never held a thorough discussion about the system’s goals in principle and the question of whether it’s an effective tool in such a widespread outbreak,” one senior public health expert said. There are differences of opinion about this, he added, and many experts say that at this stage, contact tracing has become pointless.

“It’s an effective tool at the beginning of an outbreak, when you’re trying to contain it and delay its spread, but that’s not the situation right now,” he said.

“We’re at a morbidity level where countless sick people are walking around outside. Many aren’t required to quarantine, and others are required to but don’t obey the regulations. In the current situation, the benefits of this entire process are extremely limited.”

DJ Again Israel may be in a scenario where "we" may be in next month..."countless sick people walking around" trying to convince themselves it is "just hay fever like symptoms".....and no healthcare available anymore...

One of the "crisis management points" that did go very very wrong was communications ! Not only politics but also a lot of experts did a very bad job at this ! Yes-The R0 may have been under 1...but those numbers always are two weeks old-at best...Delta(+) like variants mean you have to get the R0 as close to 0 the best you can....R0 <1 was no basis for reopening ! Utter stupidity !!!

If YOU are an expert-with 10+ years university/experience and YOU come up with this kind of crap YOU did fail !!!!!

YOU were supposed to be protecting us from this pandemic ! Do a better job or find another job !

Arrogance can kill ! Another act of total stupidity ; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latest; The U.S. government’s top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, said Sunday that he was hopeful the Food and Drug Administration will give full approval to the coronavirus vaccine by month’s end and predicted the potential move will spur a wave of vaccine mandates in the private sector as well as schools and universities.

The FDA has only granted emergency-use approval of the Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines, but the agency is expected to soon give full approval to Pfizer.

DJ; STOP THE SPREAD !!! Stop international air travel, stop cruise ships, stop opening schools ! If "experts" only answer is "more vaccines" those "experts" are blind ! They are pushing for vaccine escape, a resistent variant of Covid-19/SARS-2 able to reinfect hosts over and over again ! 

Here in NL over 90% of the population is willing to be vaccinated...For vaccinations we may by now be in the global top ! Even if you would look at (limited) statistics if you would include 12 y/o+ age group still you may end up at 90%+ of the NL population willing to accept vaccines to "get out of this pandemic"...The population may not be the problem but "the leaders" may be the problem...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/immunity-aa/921251-risk-of-rapid-evolutionary-escape-from-biomedical-interventions-targeting-sars-cov-2-spike-protein[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/immunity-aa/921251-risk-of-rapid-evolutionary-escape-from-biomedical-interventions-targeting-sars-cov-2-spike-protein ;

With the emergence of new strains of SARS-CoV-2 with altered transmissibility and immune evasion potential, a critical question is this: how easily can the virus escape neutralizing antibodies (nAbs) targeting the spike RBD? To answer this question, we combined an analysis of the RBD structure-function with an evolutionary modeling framework. Our structure-function analysis revealed that epitopes for RBD-targeting nAbs overlap one another substantially and can be evaded by escape mutants with ACE2 affinities comparable to the wild type, that are observed in sequence surveillance data and infect cells in vitro


This suggests that the fitness cost of nAb-evading mutations is low. 


We then used evolutionary modeling to predict the frequency of immune escape before and after the widespread presence of nAbs due to vaccines, passive immunization or natural immunity. 


Our modeling suggests that SARS-CoV-2 mutants with one or two mildly deleterious mutations are expected to exist in high numbers due to neutral genetic variation, and consequently resistance to vaccines or other prophylactics that rely on one or two antibodies for protection can develop quickly -and repeatedly- under positive selection. 


Predicted resistance timelines are comparable to those of the decay kinetics of nAbs raised against vaccinal or natural antigens, raising a second potential mechanism for loss of immunity in the population. Strategies for viral elimination should therefore be diversified across molecular targets and therapeutic modalities.

DJ Translation; With only a few small-very likely-mutations variants may be evading vaccine (and natural) immunity ....Proberbly allready happening-we just do not want to see it ! It would show the "vaccinations for reopening-strategy" to be a total disaster !!!

With yesterday als ADE in natural immunity; antibodies (1 in 5 investigated) in stead of fighting the virus HELPING !!! the virus I only can repeat; S T O P  T H E   S P R E A D   ! ! ! ! ! ! ! 

You can vaccinate till you drop but that will not stop this pandemic, most likely by now encourage vaccine escape, resistent variants !

Utter stupidity...I have to calm down....

DJ-Is there "good news"? YES !!! There is !! Hebrew University-Jerusalem looking into lots of medications and its effect on Covid19-they did find 8 medicins that look promissing ! If you have effective treatment (maybe Ivermectin may play a role ?) to treat the infected, stop disease Covid19 could become less deathly...but time is running out !

We did see-in official statistic undercounting-2 million deaths in 2020, 2 million deaths first 6 months of 2021...second 6 months of this year could bring 4 million deaths...going exponential would see 8 million deaths in 2022, 16 million in 2023, 32 million in 2024 "as a new normal" ? Living with the virus ? PLEASE !

[url]https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1[/url] or https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1"Dr Fauci has sounded the alarm over Covid and children amid a surge in hospitalisations, & warned that “kids are getting sick” from the Delta variant." Other countries taking the threat of delta to children seriously while the UK remains in denial.

DJ On twitter there are a lot of experts doing a very good job, shouting from the rooftops..."the problem with bad news is nobody wants to hear it"....

Dr Been on Delta [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-he8aq0qs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-he8aq0qs  as always-good info ! 

-Other news [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/historic-russian-troops-enter-china-for-joint-exercises-stated-purpose-bring-down-american-arrogance[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/historic-russian-troops-enter-china-for-joint-exercises-stated-purpose-bring-down-american-arrogance  and 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1CRiW5lCw[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1CRiW5lCw  (Pepe Escobar may be included as well...) DJ-Russia, China, Iran have had enough of talking/insults from the US/NATO...they are preparing for war. Have put red lines...no US weapons for Taiwan, no US/Israel attacks on Iran...No NATO near Crimea...No other coups in Belarus, Venezuela, Cuba, etc...

"The west" is divided. NATO second largest army-after the US is that from Turkey...Turkey is working with Russia in developing the S500 air defense system, Turkey has a good relation with Iran...both a form of agreement on the Kurds...(long term ally of the Kurds has been Russia-not the US ! NATO helped both Turkey and Iran under the sjah-before 1979-in their genocide of the Kurds...). 

The EU may be willing to "follow the US" hoping to bridge gaps while also buying Russian energy, Chinese goods...

DJ-In my view; The EU should make it VERY CLEAR to the US that the "confrontation strategy" , endless US wars and coups-have to end !!! Democrazy is in the interest of the 0,1%...democracy is in the interest of all....

Music ; Dione Warwick - 1968 - Do You Know The Way To San Jose ? [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqWt49o7R-k[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqWt49o7R-k    ...We are lost at this moment, have to refind ourselves...




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DJ, 

In the UK "economy is everything-believers" are calling for a stop on counting cases. "We have to live (or die) with the virus"...The same "cult" was against realistic measures to stop this pandemic...Their choice is a deathcult that is resulting in millions of deaths....

Numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table Israel cases +55%, deaths +124%, UK cases +8%, deaths +15%, NL cases -19%, deaths +64%, US cases +25%, deaths +31% New Zealand still only imported cases...

Here in NL vaccination is free and voluntary...of the 12-17 y/o 43% did have a first vaccination, 18+ is 71% fully vaccinated...(51+ =84%, 76-80 y/o=91% vaccinated). Vaccination is still going on...expectation is we could be at around 90% fully vaccination here before the end of next month-for 12 y/o+....On the other hand there is still over 12% positive testing-also 12% of new cases is imported from southern Europe-with the danger of importing variants...There are no serious restrictions in NL...

With schools reopening soon we may find ourselves more in an Israel like scenario...but by then we also may be among the highest % vaccination worldwide...The problem is the variants are developing towards vaccine escape...With 28 deaths last week, 46 deaths this week (but last days hospital cases not going up...) "damage is limited" for now in NL...

In Israel in Arab and Orthodox Jewish groups vaccination is low, in the US in southern states, black, hispanic population, republicans vaccination is low...so the variants have all chance to spread. With hardly any sequencing-limited testing and proberbly over 80% asymptomatic spread this pandemic is out of control worldwide. 

Vaccinations could limit virus spread and risk of infection-besides the less severe symptoms. So a high level of vaccination does limit-for now-this pandemic. 

Most countries do not have the luxery of high level of vaccinations...so there cases explode. Indonesia is now getting hit very hard (over 2,000 deaths per day...). The US is seeing over 100,000 new cases per day and that number will be going up the coming weeks...

-Flutrackers latest posts ;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/921457-the-need-for-evolutionarily-rational-disease-interventions-vaccination-can-select-for-higher-virulence[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/921457-the-need-for-evolutionarily-rational-disease-interventions-vaccination-can-select-for-higher-virulenceThere is little doubt evolution has played a major role in preventing the control of infectious disease through antibiotic and insecticide resistance, but recent theory suggests disease interventions such as vaccination may lead to evolution of more harmful parasites. A new study published in PLOS Biology by Andrew Read and colleagues shows empirically that vaccination against Marek’s disease has favored higher virulence; without intervention, the birds die too quickly for any transmission to occur, but vaccinated hosts can both stay alive longer and shed the virus. This is an elegant empirical demonstration of how evolutionary theory can predict potentially dangerous responses of infectious disease to human interventions.

DJ The present vaccination campain did buy us some time-nothing more ! It is an illusion one can vaccinate a pandemic to its ending...There are simply to many people/hosts...So yes-for a few countries-vaccines "buy the illusion the pandemic is as good as over" only to bring worse variants...;STOP THE SPREAD !!!!

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921447-us-florida-nurse-%E2%80%9Cthe-decline-that%E2%80%99s-taking-place-from-a-respiratory-standpoint-is-happening-much-quicker-%E2%80%9D-august-10-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921447-us-florida-nurse-%E2%80%9Cthe-decline-that%E2%80%99s-taking-place-from-a-respiratory-standpoint-is-happening-much-quicker-%E2%80%9D-august-10-2021 ; “It’s as bad as it can be. It’s a horrifying scene to go to on a day-to-day basis. People are fighting for their lives and it’s a minute-by-minute struggle. It’s hard to watch, it’s hard to be a part of it and see human beings suffer so greatly and there’s not a whole lot you can do to help them,” said Fairchild.

Fairchild said there are some differences in what she’s seeing in the ICU compared to the height of the pandemic in 2020.

“Before, we were seeing patients who were older and had pre-existing conditions. Now, these people are coming in young. Some not having preexisting conditions and are healthy. People that had COVID and just have a very bad reaction to it,” said Fairchild. “The decline that’s taking place from a respiratory standpoint is happening much quicker.”

more.. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/lo...ovid-19-surge/

and [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921448-us-florida-surpasses-new-york%E2%80%99s-2020-peak-with-new-hospitalization-record-august-10-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921448-us-florida-surpasses-new-york%E2%80%99s-2020-peak-with-new-hospitalization-record-august-10-2021The number of Floridians hospitalized has jumped past 15,000 after increasing 1,192 from Monday, according to data published by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

This amounts to Florida’s highest rate of hospitalization for the entire pandemic: roughly 70 out of every 100,000 residents have been admitted.

It also surpasses the hospitalization rate recorded in New York at the height of its coronavirus outbreak in April 2020, when 67 out of every 100,000 residents were hospitalized, according to a New York Times tracker.

DJ Most of the world does not have the hospital/ICU capacity the US has...with even lower vaccination levels...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921444-cidrap-parts-of-southeast-asia-still-in-the-heat-of-delta-battles[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921444-cidrap-parts-of-southeast-asia-still-in-the-heat-of-delta-battles DJ-Just like India-in real numbers-did see around 4 million deaths from the Delta variant this spring this autumn/fall will see millions of deaths...not reflected in statistics...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921443-cidrap-news-scan-covid-19-vaccines-and-adverse-events-amr-genes-in-healthy-vietnamese-kids-adults-covid-19-in-polish-minks[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921443-cidrap-news-scan-covid-19-vaccines-and-adverse-events-amr-genes-in-healthy-vietnamese-kids-adults-covid-19-in-polish-minks ; Polish minks show new SARS-CoV-2 variant

Fifteen of 91 minks (17%) on a Polish mink farm tested positive for a novel variant of SARS-CoV-2, according to an Emerging Infectious Diseases study yesterday.
The researchers sampled all minks culled for pelting on Nov 17, 2020, at one farm in Pomorskie Voivodeship in northern Poland. None displayed respiratory symptoms, according to the owner, but 15 were diagnosed as having SARS-CoV-2.


Genome analysis via amplicon-based nanopore sequencing and Illumina showed the infecting SARS-CoV-2 variant included two mutations in the spike protein (G757 and C1247F), which have not been seen simultaneously in any of the SARS-CoV-2 sequences in the GISAID database. The analysis suggests that the variant diverged from a common ancestor on Sep 31, 2020, or evolved on its own after virus introduction to the farm on Oct 4, 2020.


"We believe that a country-scale biomonitoring program should be activated as soon as possible to prevent the fur production sector from being a reservoir for future spillover of SARS-CoV-2 to humans," the researchers write. They note that, since their sampling, a farm employee may have experienced possible zoonotic spillover of the virus.


Last year, when farmed minks were diagnosed as having SARS-CoV-2 in the Netherlands and Denmark, both countries culled all farmed minks within their borders, with Denmark killing up to 17 million. According to the researchers, Poland has about 6.3 million mink on 354 active farms. Animal health experts have said SARS-CoV-2 on mink farms poses a high risk to humans, who can contract the variants from mink, and other wildlife.
Aug 9 Emerg Infect Dis study

DJ Two new mutations in minks (G757 (introduction of "G"at position 757) and C1247F) ...what are we waiting for ? Did we learn not a thing so far ? It is very likely Covid is allready spreading-most likely so far on a limited scale-in non human hosts...from deer, cats, mice, bats to minks...The more that non-human spread can develop the deadlier this pandemic will become !!!! 

S T O P   T H E   S P R E A D   ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921190-cd24-the-new-israeli-drug-90-of-covid-patients-discharged-in-5-days[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921190-cd24-the-new-israeli-drug-90-of-covid-patients-discharged-in-5-days ; COVID: 90% of patients treated with new Israeli drug discharged in 5 days
https://www.jpost.com/health-science...-5-days-675961

Some 93% of 90 coronavirus serious patients treated in several Greek hospitals with a new drug developed by a team at Tel Aviv’s Sourasky Medical Center as part of the Phase II trial of the treatment were discharged in five days or fewer.

The Phase II trial confirmed the results of Phase I, which was conducted in Israel last winter and saw 29 out of 30 patients in moderate to serious condition recover within days.

“The main goal of this study was to verify that the drug is safe,” Prof. Nadir Arber said. “To this day we have not registered any significant side effect in any patient from both groups.”

The trial was conducted in Athens because Israel did not have enough relevant patients. The principal investigator was Greece’s coronavirus commissioner, Prof. Sotiris Tsiodras.

Arber and his team, including Dr. Shiran Shapira, developed the drug based on a molecule that the professor has been studying for 25 years called CD24, which is naturally present in the body.

“It is important to remember that 19 out of 20 COVID-19 patients do not need any therapy,” Arber said. “After a window of five to 12 days, some 5% of the patients start to deteriorate.”

The main cause of the clinical deterioration is an over activation of the immune system, also known as a cytokine storm. In case of COVID-19 patients, the system starts attacking healthy cells in the lungs.

“This is exactly the problem that our drug targets,” he said.

CD24 is a small protein that is anchored to the membrane of the cells and it serves many functions including regulating the mechanism responsible for the cytokine storm.

Arber stressed that their treatment, EXO-CD24, does not affect the immune system as a whole, but only targets this specific mechanism, helping find again its correct balance.

“This is precision medicine,” he said. “We are very happy that we have found a tool to tackle the physiology of the disease.”

“Steroids for example shut down the entire immune system,” he further explained. “We are balancing the part responsible for the cytokine storms using the endogenous mechanism of the body, meaning tools offered by the body itself.”

Arber noted that another breakthrough element of this treatment is its delivery.

“We are employing exosomes, very small vesicles derived from the membrane of the cells which are responsible for the exchange of information between them,” he said.

“By managing to deliver them exactly where they are needed, we avoid many side effects,” he added.
The team is now ready to launch the last phase of the study.

“As promising as the findings of the first phases of a treatment can be, no one can be sure of anything until results are compared to the ones of patients who receive a placebo,” he said.

Some 155 coronavirus patients will take part in the study. Two-thirds of them will be administered the drug, and one-third a placebo.
The study will be conducted in Israel and it might be also carried out in other places if the number of patients in the country will not suffice.

“We hope to complete it by the end of the year,” Arber said.

If the results are confirmed, he vowed that the treatment can be made available relatively quickly and at a low cost.
“In addition, a success could pave the wave to treat many other diseases,” he concluded.

GOOD NEWS !!! Very welcome ! It will take months before it can be available on a large enough scale but better treatments will save lives ! Better vaccines may give more protection-less spread !!! Other countries will be working on )cheap) medication as well...China does show to be abble to vaccinate 1 billion+ people in 3 months...And yes-maybe the vaccines are less effective then the western expensive vaccines...but they do have some effect and with that level of vaccinations booster vaccinations will be on the agenda !

China-maybe India-Cuba, Iran may be able to make the difference worldwide...These countries may be willing to work together, spread not only vaccines but also vaccination-staff around the globe ! China is able to build a 2,000 bed hospital in two weeks...proberbly also in Africa, America...including staff, oxygen...

Since this pandemic is a POLITICAL problem-the solution also most likely will be political...and the "for profit" greed-based western "civilized" strategy may not survive this pandemic ! I can only hope "political leaders" treating this pandemic as a bussiness oppertunity also soon will be history !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921458-professor-sir-andrew-pollard-director-of-the-oxford-vaccine-group-herd-immunity-is-not-a-possibility[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921458-professor-sir-andrew-pollard-director-of-the-oxford-vaccine-group-herd-immunity-is-not-a-possibility ; Disease is spreading among the vaccinated. Recommends giving vaccine to people who need it to save lives. Says he would not be surprised to see a worse variant emerge. Video at link.

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...86490002997248



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"Herd immunity is not a possibility" because the Delta variant "still infects vaccinated individuals". Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, director of the Oxford Vaccine Group, says there is nothing "the UK can do to stop the emergence of new variants."

DJ So we need a better strategy...stopping the spread, trying to limit spread in non-human hosts, better detection/sequencing...Yes-there may be treatments soon, countries able to go for global scale-low cost strategies (Russia, China, EU, Israel, Iran, Cuba...NOT the US !!!) but for now the next variant-after Delta-must have started..soon will show up in statistics...be dominant within a few months...For now schools reopen spreading variants among unvaccinated children with countries still in denial...just let the massive spread in under 12 y/o happen...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-h5n1-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-h5n2-h10n8-outbreak-tracking/921418-the-centre-for-health-protection-closely-monitors-a-new-case-of-h5n6-avian-influenza-in-the-mainland[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-h5n1-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-h5n2-h10n8-outbreak-tracking/921418-the-centre-for-health-protection-closely-monitors-a-new-case-of-h5n6-avian-influenza-in-the-mainland ; The Center for Health Protection of the Department of Health stated that it is closely monitoring a new case of human infection with avian influenza A (H5N6) in the Mainland. The case involved a 55-year-old woman living in Chenzhou City, Hunan Province who had visited a live poultry market before the onset of illness. . She developed symptoms on July 26 and was admitted to the hospital on August 1 in serious condition.

Since 2014, the Mainland health authorities have notified a total of 38 human cases of avian influenza A (H5N6); all new influenza A, including H5N6, are notifiable infectious diseases in Hong Kong.

DJ Other pandemics are just around the corner...We need to rethink the way we live ! See also ; [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/surveillance-and-epidemic-control/921464-j-infect-avian-influenza-h10-subtype-viruses-continuously-pose-threat-to-public-health-in-china[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/surveillance-and-epidemic-control/921464-j-infect-avian-influenza-h10-subtype-viruses-continuously-pose-threat-to-public-health-in-china 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/921416-oh-mystery-dog-respiratory-illness-on-the-rise-across-cincinnati[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/921416-oh-mystery-dog-respiratory-illness-on-the-rise-across-cincinnatiCincinnati veterinarians said an upper respiratory illness, like the one 10-month-old Ralphie had, is on the rise.

"They immediately knew that was what it was," Fowler said. "They checked to make sure his lungs sounded ok. And, they said after about a week of him being better that he can go back to normal activity."

Symptoms of the virus include coughing, fever, fatigue, weight loss, loss of appetite and trouble breathing. The virus is highly contagious and veterinarians suggest you avoid boarding, grooming and taking your pet to dog parks.

Fowler said this could happen to any family and no one is to blame.

She also advised pet owners to know the symptoms because looking back, Ralphie's fatigue was the first sign something was wrong.

Veterinarians said it's unknown what is causing the illness...

DJ It may have NO links with Covid at all...it could be an "after effect" (weeks) after a (mild) covid infection...see also [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/921413-co-dog-tests-positive-for-plague-in-teller-county-experts-urge-caution[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/921413-co-dog-tests-positive-for-plague-in-teller-county-experts-urge-caution Pets may be a risk !

- Dr.John Campbell on Covid in children-long believed no major issue...(also why the US, Japan are hardly testing ?)

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vsbk4zqJoQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vsbk4zqJoQ  info under video.

Music; Charles Aznavour - She [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1YipLB-rQQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1YipLB-rQQ (clip from 1974...) ;

She who always seems so happy in a crowd 

Whose eyes can be so private and so proud 

No one's allowed to see them when they cry 

She may be the love that can and hope to last 

May come to me from shadows of the past 

That I remember till the day I die 

She may be the reason I survive 

The why and where for I'm alive 

The one I'll care for through the rough 

And rainy years Me I'll take her laughter and her tears 

And make them all my souvenirs 

For where she goes I got to be 

The meaning of my life is 

She........

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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On deaths you missed Tanzania with +138% in one day.   Actually, one cannot read too much in the figures because early on the skeptical leader, John Magufuli , stopped all reporting of cases.  It has taken months since his death for the new President, Samia Suluhu Hassan, to be in a political situation to reverse that policy.   It seems that she has been working on other aspects of the pandemic first, like ramping up the  vaccination programme [from the end of last month: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-57996155  ]

My guess is that the increase reported by worldometers [ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/  ] (+350 cases and +29 deaths) is just the current testing capacity and there may not be the political will to publish back dated results (if the cases were even recorded).

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EdwinSm, I do understand "denialism" in poor countries...they do not have much tools to deal with this pandemic...No vaccines, testing, HCW-ers, hardly enough communications...I do not think it is wise to deny the problems...but they have an endless list of problems. They may need to survive on "hopium"...For most of the countries we keep poor denialism is not the big difference...if they report cases it will be that much underreporting that the use of those numbers may give some indications for a region...not much more. 

DJ,

-Numbers [url]https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations[/url] or https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations ; Canada, Spain in this list 72% of population had at least one vaccine...followed by NL (70%), UK (69%), Israel (67%)...If full vaccination decreases risk of infection around 50%, and if the vaccinated&infected would see shorter viral spread a high % would result in slowing down the pandemic somewhat...

The more a country reopens the faster it will undo the vaccination-gains...The US has 50% fully vaccinated adults (since I think the statistics refer to vaccinating 18+ age group)- 60% of the US population had one or two vaccinations...

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ resulting in almost 143,500 new cases yesterday august 10 being reported for the US...around 20% of all the global cases of almost 702,000....

In deaths Indonesia 1,579, Brazil 1,123, Russia 799...US 614, South Africa 573, Mexico 541, Iran 536,  India 519, Vietnam 342, Bangladesh 237, make the top 10....

Trends [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table global cases +5%, global deaths +2%....

UK cases +7%, deaths +6%, US cases +26%, deaths +13%, NL cases -14%, deaths +78%, Israel cases +75%, deaths +105%...

If you follow the news most new cases are in unvaccinated...and quite a lot of them are under 18...but the % of new cases in vaccinated is also going up. Here in NL in care centers the number of cases have been going up the last few weeks...often linked to care workers returning from a trip to southern Europe...

Some "governments" still stick to the "hope" children will not get severe symptoms on a larger scale...closing their eyes for what is happening elsewhere...We have a lot of "freedom" in NL untill hospitals, ICU's start crashing again...

Our "leaders" repeating their "strategy" (based on polls of what will bring most of the votes...) of "freedom"...DJ Freedom has to be linked to responsability ! If you do break that link "freedom" becomes a lie, an excuse for stupidity...

New Zealand is correct in keeping its borders closed till next year ! There are a limited number of countries going for "zero-covid"...The rest of the world will find out the hard way that "living with the virus means dying with the virus"!

Most western countries accept millions of deaths to "save the economy"...In practice most of the deaths are in the poor. Long Covid has no clear definition...so is left out of any calculation...

-Flutrackers latest;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latests; 

I cannot find any interviews between Axios representatives and senior White House officials.
I find it a bit surprising that the White House would be talking about a Mayo Clinic preprint to an on-line website.
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new preprint study that raises concerns about the mRNA vaccines' effectiveness against Delta — particularly Pfizer's — has already grabbed the attention of top Biden administration officials.

What they're saying: The study found the Pfizer vaccine was only 42% effective against infection in July, when the Delta variant was dominant. "If that's not a wakeup call, I don't know what is," a senior Biden official told Axios.

Driving the news: The study, conducted by nference and the Mayo Clinic, compared the effectiveness of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in the Mayo Clinic Health System over time from January to July.
  • Overall, it found that the Moderna vaccine was 86% effective against infection over the study period, and Pfizer's was 76%. Moderna's vaccine was 92% effective against hospitalization and Pfizer's was 85%.
  • But the vaccines' effectiveness against infection dropped sharply in July, when the Delta variant's prevalence in Minnesota had risen to over 70%.
  • Moderna was 76% effective against infection, and Pfizer was only 42% effective.
  • The study found similar results in other states. For example, in Florida, the risk of infection in July for people fully vaccinated with Moderna was about 60% lower than for people fully vaccinated with Pfizer.

DJ-Proberbly main point has to be vaccine protection may be decreasing against Delta variant...(and a fight between Moderna and Pfizer for marketshare/profits ?)

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921534-cidrap-americas-and-asia-drive-rising-global-covid-19-cases[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921534-cidrap-americas-and-asia-drive-rising-global-covid-19-cases ;

Patterns and burden shift with Delta now in 142 countries

In its weekly update, the WHO said the five countries reporting the most cases last week include the United States, India, Iran, Brazil, and Indonesia. Countries reporting some of the biggest increases include Botswana (up 76%), Peru (64%), Japan (51%), the United States (35%), the Philippines (32%), Morocco (31%), Iran (20%), and Thailand (20%).

Africa’s recent decline in cases has slowed, with nearly half of the countries reporting increasing cases. The increase in the Americas is mainly driven by steady rises in the United States and Peru, and in the Eastern Mediterranean region, cases are on the increase in nearly half of the countries, the WHO said.

At a Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) briefing today, officials said cases are up in the Caribbean region, parts of Central America, as well as in the United States, Canada, and Mexico.

Europe’s cases dropped 7%, but levels are rising in the region’s southeast in countries including Macedonia, Kosovo, and Albania.

In Asian regions, Southeast Asia’s cases have plateaued as India’s outbreak has stabilized, but in the Western Pacific, cases and deaths are up, mainly led by surges in Japan, the Philippines, and Malaysia.

Seven more countries reported their first Delta (B1617.2) variant cases, raising the total to 142.

WHO launches next phase of treatment trial

At a WHO briefing today, the group’s Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, PhD, announced the launch of the second phase of the WHO Solidarity trial that will assess three already existing drugs as COVID-19 treatments for hospitalized patients.

They include artesunate, a malaria treatment; imatinib, a cancer drug; and infliximab, an immunotherapy for disorders including Crohn’s disease and rheumatoid arthritis. An independent expert panel chose the trial treatments, which will be tested at more than 600 hospitals in 52 countries.

“I would like to thank the governments, hospitals, researchers, and patients who are participating in the trial, as well as the three manufacturers who have donated the drugs for the trial: Ipca, Novartis and Johnson & Johnson,” Tedros said.

More global headlines

  • The European Medicines Agency (EMA) is examining possible links between mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines and three new conditions—erythema multiforme (a type of allergic skin reaction), glomerulonephritis, and nephrotic syndrome—according to Reuters. The agency says only a small number of people have been affected, and it has not requested any labeling changes. It has, however, requested more data from Pfizer and Moderna.
  • A lockdown for the Australian city of Melbourne in Victoria state has been extended for a week after 20 new local cases were reported, 15 of which are linked to current clusters, according to the country’s ABC News.
  • The European Union is considering banning travelers from the United States again, as the nation’s cases rise steadily, according to the Washington Post. Also, European officials have expressed concerns that the United States has not lifted its travel ban on travelers from many European countries, given that cases have dropped in many of them. Ten are currently on the State Department’s “avoid travel” list.
  • The global total today reached 204,453,745 cases, along with 4,320,801 deaths, according to the Johns Hopkins online dashboard.

DJ-By now some new variants must be becoming an undercurrent...the next wave...Since both sequencing and testing is much to limited we may be missing warning signs...It is good there are trials on medications to see if they can limit damage in covid patients...We may be seeing both better treatments and better vaccines within months...proberbly used large scale next year...(in my idea). 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921531-cidrap-airlines-split-on-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-for-employees[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921531-cidrap-airlines-split-on-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-for-employees ;

United is the only major US airline that has announced vaccine mandates for employees. Delta, Southwest, and American Airlines say they will not be requiring their workers to get a COVID-19 vaccine, according to CNN. Delta has also said 75% of their employees are vaccinated without a mandate.
The Federal Aviation Administration has mandated masks for all airline passenger through Sep 13.


In related news, a collection of health experts, including 175 scientists and the deans of five medical schools, have written a letter to President Biden urging him to act now to develop and distribute COVID-19 vaccines globally. They warned that failing to do so will result in more transmissible and deadly variants of the virus.
The letter, obtained by the Washington Post, implores the administration to rapidly scale up mRNA vaccine manufacturing so 4 billion people can be inoculated by the end of the year. It also urges the administration to begin donating 10 million vaccines per week to COVAX and to "commit to establishing 8 billion doses per year of mRNA vaccine capacity within six months using existing federal resources. A plan for this should be announced within one month."

DJ, Of course countries can demand airline workers arriving in their countries have to be vaccinated. 

I did see around 30% of the global population did get at least one vaccination. China may have become the major vaccine exporter..often for "free"...Since we may need more vaccines to deal with variants the countries that can produce vaccines-doing at least something protectionwise-large scale low cost may become the dominant global "players"...India, China-both with a population of 1 billion+-may be able to play such a role...

Since the US still allows private companies to make billions of profit from this man-made pandemic "an isolated west" may stick to US vaccines...For the rest of the world-for now-most US vaccines may be unpractical, expensive, and not available in large enough numbers...Countries we keep poor can not pay for those vaccines...allready are in large debts...

I expect China soon to export pandemic know how, hospitals+staff etc...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921325-israel-serious-cases-swell-we%E2%80%99re-at-a-morbidity-level-where-countless-sick-people-are-walking-around-outside[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921325-israel-serious-cases-swell-we%E2%80%99re-at-a-morbidity-level-where-countless-sick-people-are-walking-around-outside latest; Serious COVID patients hit 400 as nearly 6,000 cases diagnosed Tuesday
14 inmates at Ela Prison catch virus as ministers set to discuss a slew of new restrictions expanding Green Pass
By TOI staff Today, 12:28 pm

The number of serious coronavirus cases in Israel reached 400 on Wednesday as the Health Ministry said nearly 6,000 new cases had been diagnosed the day before.

Of the 38,942 active patients, there were 87 people in critical condition and 62 people on ventilators. The death toll rose to 6,580, with 11 fatalities recorded Tuesday.

Amid a recent surge in infections, Israel has seen the number of new cases diagnosed each day rise from just a few dozen in June to thousands.
There were 5,755 COVID-19 cases found on Tuesday, slightly down from Monday’s 6,349, which was the highest tally in half a year.
Of the 142,207 virus test conducted, 4.65 percent were positive. At the beginning of the month, the rate was 2.96%...

DJ It would be interesting to see how good vaccines protect, what variants are detected...Israel may be one of the leading countries in this pandemic. See also [url]https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-officials-predict-thousands-of-seriously-ill-covid-patients-within-month/[/url] or https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-officials-predict-thousands-of-seriously-ill-covid-patients-within-month/

Bennett reportedly agrees to expand hospital capacity after being presented with numbers showing hospitalizations quadrupling by mid-September; funding for plan unclear.

Israeli hospitals have to prepare for an influx of nearly 5,000 coronavirus patients within weeks, half of whom will need acute care to deal with severe bouts of COVID-19, health officials have warned Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, according to reports Wednesday.

The dire predictions came during a Tuesday meeting between Bennett and senior health experts amid a major influx of new cases, prompting the premier to back a plan to expand hospital capacity, a signal that the government will look to absorb the crush of severe cases head-on rather than attempt to swerve out of its way.

Senior Health Ministry officials and other experts presented Bennett with data forecasting some 4,800 coronavirus patients requiring hospitalization by September 10. The experts expect half of the patients to be seriously ill, putting a major strain on Israel’s health system, according to Hebrew-language media reports on the closed-door meeting.

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The predictions from the health experts were based on a doubling of the number of hospitalizations and serious illnesses every 10 days.

DJ Israel may be ahead of most western countries. They are still very highly vaccinated (with Arab-Israeli's around 66% vaccinated...maybe low in Israel-but much better then in most western countries !)

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/921504-viruses-do-dogs-and-cats-passively-carry-sars-cov-2-on-hair-and-pads[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/921504-viruses-do-dogs-and-cats-passively-carry-sars-cov-2-on-hair-and-pads ; The aim of the present study was to verify whether dogs and cats act as passive mechanical carriers of SARS-CoV-2 when they live in close contact with COVID-19 patients. Cutaneous and interdigital swabs collected from 48 dogs and 15 cats owned by COVID-19 patients were tested for SARS-CoV-2 by qRT-PCR. The time elapsed between owner swab positivity and sample collection from pets ranged from 1 to 72 days, with a median time of 23 days for dogs and 39 days for cats.

 All samples tested negative, suggesting that pets do not passively carry SARS-CoV-2 on their hair and pads, and thus they likely do not play an important role in the virus transmission to humans. This data may contribute to confirming that the direct contact with the hair and pads of pets does not represent a route for the transmission of SARS-CoV-2.

DJ, So far only minks did see large scale spread between minks (and mink to human on a limited scale-both in DK and NL). It is very likely deer, some other species, may see limited infections. Lets try to keep it that way !

-Video's [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haG1yKJVVAw[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haG1yKJVVAw MedCram-16 min. on Delta variant ; One of the world's top scientists shares info on lack of testing in the US, vaccine booster shots, how contagious and dangerous is the Delta variant, and what we can do to protect ourselves from coronavirus infection and hospitalization.  (Recorded Aug 11, 2021)

DJ If you give up testing, contact tracing you give up on trying to get a grip on this pandemic...of course that will make matters worse !

[url]https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1[/url] or https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1 Twitter-good info ! 

So, those of you who keep saying kids don't get severely ill  & argue against mitigations in schools & vaccinations for adolescents - You okay with ~300 kids being hospitalised with COVID-19 each week in England?

[url]https://twitter.com/JacobBAguilar[/url] or https://twitter.com/JacobBAguilar  ;

Almost 1.5 years into one of the most serious pandemics in history and we are still debating the role and importance of aerosol transmission. We need to increase vaccination rates and implement airborne interventions.

DJ It is very welcome to see many experts doing their job ! Even if their advice is ignored by corrupt politicians [url]https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/26/pressure-mounts-on-boris-johnson-over-alleged-let-the-bodies-pile-high-remarks[/url] or https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/26/pressure-mounts-on-boris-johnson-over-alleged-let-the-bodies-pile-high-remarks ...

"Leaders" trying to hide number of cases...now facing how to hide number of deaths...

Music; Thompson Twins-Lies-1982...(very 1982 ...) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuv4f-AmKE4[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuv4f-AmKE4  


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I bet there are plenty of domestic cats and dogs who have it. In our family we all kiss our cats and dogs. I even have a cow I kiss. I draw the line at kissing chickens.  


There must be plenty of people out there like me, so if they have it, they'll give it to their animals, who'll give it to all their furry friends, and round and round it'll go. There's no way the Fun Police will be able to police that. 

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KiwiMum...Pets provide comfort, stress relieve, for that matter pets are "best friends"...and I think yes-a lot of pets may get some-so far it looks like-mild infections. But in Flutrackers I did see posts both on cats and dogs with unclear health issues...so far maybe not directly linked to Covid in humans...maybe some "MIS-P" - Multi Inflamatory Syndrome in Pets ? 

A sort of over reaction of the immunse system also seen in humans (MIS-C=is in Children...) ? 

There seems to be no evidence-yet-for spread in pets on any major scale. So it looks like human give Covid to pets...no further spread from those pets to other pets or humans. (Minks is a different story...but not a pet ! Ferrets are close to minks...and kept as pets...may show more risks...). 

The other side of this story is we are not even testing humans enough...Asymptomatic spread often is no test. China seems to be one of a few countries testing on a massive scale...must be tens of millions per day-to get a grip on asymptomatic spread. 

I think the start of this pandemic may be-somehow-related to African Swine Fever in 2018, 2019...maybe Covid started there as a co-infection not noticed...pigs were dead before they had symptoms...(the way those pigs were killed is another horror story...Just as some minks did find a horror ending...not only in China...). 

I would welcome much more testing in pets, farm animals. I expect we soon will see vaccines for pets/profits...

Covid in animals is just one of many aspects that do not get enough attention. Dealing with this pandemic does not seem to be a top priority for many western countries. 

[url]https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/covid19resources/[/url] or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/covid19resources/ may be one of the limited sources of info...

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I can only say that you have done your homework.  Impressive work shown.  A few observations,  I have been hearing reports from my doctors that a new variant that may increase the death rate by 50 - 80 % and destroy the protections that vaccines provide.  I have to agree with the sentiment that the system has failed us in large part because the political will is not there.  Our leaders want us dead.  They want to reduce the population thru disease and starvation.  BoJo, Biden and Jinping want us dead.  

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ME163, DrBeen had a video [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-he8aq0qs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-he8aq0qs on Delta+ variant. His (US) story was that if the Delta+ variant was more infectious it would show up more dominant in CDC statistics...

DJ-two major points; Pandemic wise you have to look at the global situation...certainly with the US reopening airtravel...if Delta+ would be becoming dominant in India it may as well be(come) a US problem...Also US testing/sequencing has become very problematic...(and not only US...global testing may have dropped...lots of asymptomatic spread...) 

[url]https://www.reuters.com/world/india/beyond-delta-scientists-are-watching-new-coronavirus-variants-2021-08-08/[/url] or https://www.reuters.com/world/india/beyond-delta-scientists-are-watching-new-coronavirus-variants-2021-08-08/ ;

India listed Delta Plus as a variant of concern in June, but neither the U.S. Centers For Disease Control and Prevention nor the WHO have done so yet. According to Outbreak.info, an open-source COVID-19 database, Delta Plus has been detected in at least 32 countries. Experts say it is not yet clear whether it is more dangerous.


LAMBDA – ON THE WANE?

The Lambda variant has attracted attention as a potential new threat. But this version of the coronavirus, first identified in Peru in December, may be receding, several infectious disease experts told Reuters.

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B.1.621 - ONE TO WATCH

The B.1.621 variant, which first arose in Colombia in January, where it caused a major outbreak, has yet to earn a Greek letter name.

The European Center for Disease Prevention and Control has listed it as a variant of interest, while Public Health England describes B.1.621 as a variant under investigation. It carries several key mutations, including E484K, N501Y and D614G, that have been linked with increased transmissibility and reduced immune protection. So far, there have been 37 likely and confirmed cases in the UK, according to a recent government report, and the variant has been identified in a number of patients in Florida.


MORE ON THE WAY?

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the White House's chief medical adviser, recently warned that the United States could be in trouble unless more Americans get vaccinated, as a large pool of unvaccinated people give the virus more opportunity to spread and mutate into new variants.

Proponents of greater international distribution of vaccine doses by rich countries say the same thing could happen as variants emerge unchecked among the populations of poor nations where very few people have been inoculated.

DJ Basiccally "we do not know" what to expect of [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2 ..."it is off the radar"...

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I think there is a big difference between lack of political will and actively wanting us dead.  I do not believe even Trump was so evil that he wanted us dead. I also don't think its fair to blame Biden so much.  He has made mistakes for sure, and needs to course-correct, but let us not forget that this virus had about a year's head start while Trump sat on his thumb saying it will go away in the spring/by magic/if we drink-inject bleach.  Biden has always been playing catch-up.

I believe if we weren't so divided -- if almost everybody believed like during polio that it was their civic and patriotic duty to get the vax, and if masking wasn't opposed by so many (¡RiGhTs!  ¡FrEeDoMs!), then there would be next to nobody for the DeSantises, the Pauls, the Taylor Greenes, the McConnells of the world to egg on and draw support from.  And if you look at history, almost universally you have leaders that underestimate the potency of the pandemic and don't take appropriate measures.  People have normalcy bias, and they can't believe that about every 100 years, we have to deviate from normal for a few years so that a tiny microbe doesn't kill us all.  Some of our leaders are in the political game to help, or at least some start out that way.  Most of them are in it because they get off on trading money for power they can wield, and then they just want more and more.  We are not important enough to them for them to want to kill us off.  In their most honest moments, they may resent that they need us, and that they have to spend time and money placating us.  But mostly, we're that thing that pays the taxes, that b*tches to/about them when we don't get enough of what we need/want, that has to be manipulated one way or the other to get us to vote for them or their agenda, that they have to write and perform sappy speeches for, about values, and the things they're allegedly going to do for us.  Take it from this chick, who used to be "that thing that gets the coffee", after being "that thing that cleans our house, sells the cosmetics, babysits the kids, sells the piano-player's merchandise, gets food for the old people, gets our donuts".  That's all we are to them.

If you think about it, they have alot in common with Covid.  We are the hosts, they are living and feeding off of us.  They certainly don't want to kill too many of us.  Wouldn't be prudent, as the senior George Bush used to say.    But individually, they don't even know we exist.  We're just blocs of voters to them.

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I have to agree, Queenie.  Even Trump, did not actively want us dead; he just valued money more than people.  I know that is an awful enditement, but he is far from alone in that.

As for Biden, I see a genuinely good man, faced with impossible choices, always playing catch-up, as you said and he is NOT a super-genius or the second coming - just an elderly fairly kindly soul, who, as it happens, values the economics too.  There is almost nothing he can do now; when he got the stable keys, the horse was already well over the horizon and galloping full tilt away.

Bojo, JinPing and Bolsonaro  are just the big players in this sh**-storm, there are so many bit players, adding to the SNAFU.

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-[url]https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-rights/the-different-degrees-of-guilt.html[/url] or https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-rights/the-different-degrees-of-guilt.html One can also look at the sort of (in)action and the outcome...in Brazil bolsonaro is much closer to [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide  some other western "leaders" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence . NOT protecting a nation against a known and certain danger is a crime. 

[url]https://ginnymooy.com/2021/08/10/tijd-om-te-gaan-leven-met-het-virus/[/url] or https://ginnymooy.com/2021/08/10/tijd-om-te-gaan-leven-met-het-virus/ a NL comment (translate works fine !) on [url]https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/25/spike-the-virus-v-the-people-review-sage-scientists-revelatory-covid-memoir[/url] or https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/25/spike-the-virus-v-the-people-review-sage-scientists-revelatory-covid-memoir "experts in a political role" going against science... Also on how each country goes for its own science ignoring foreign findings that do not fit in the "national story"...There is no such thing as "objective science" . 

DJ-I find this pandemic important enough to keep writing about it...Others see it as an old story...Here in NL schools will reopen with no masks, not good ventilation often, no social distance and most students not yet vaccinated..."Restaurants were allready open...we have footballmatches with a crowd...so it is about time schools reopen !" . This kind of "logic" keeps the virus out of the story...in Germany with much less cases there are much more restrictions...

-Numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ global 713,000+ of wich 143,000+ in the US...both numbers have been higher ( 900,000+ and 300,000+ ) and soon will be at record levels again...

Trends [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table ; global cases +4%, deaths +3% ...testing is getting more and more problematic...we may be missing most of the cases by now because of a very high level of asymptomatic spread. With that sequencing is even a bigger problem...we simply-by now-may have no idea what variants are increasing/decreasing...A very limited % of cases see sequencing and if we miss most of the cases we are "riding in thick fog"...

-Flutrackers latest;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/921618-durability-of-mrna-1273-vaccine%E2%80%93induced-antibodies-against-sars-cov-2-variants[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/921618-durability-of-mrna-1273-vaccine%E2%80%93induced-antibodies-against-sars-cov-2-variants

Abstract

SARS-CoV-2 mutations may diminish vaccine-induced protective immune responses, particularly as antibody titers wane over time. Here, we assess the impact of SARS-CoV-2 variants B.1.1.7 (Alpha), B.1.351 (Beta), P.1 (Gamma), B.1.429 (Epsilon), B.1.526 (Iota), and B.1.617.2 (Delta) on binding, neutralizing, and ACE2-competing antibodies elicited by the vaccine mRNA-1273 over seven months. Cross-reactive neutralizing responses were rare after a single dose. At the peak of response to the second vaccine dose, all individuals had responses to all variants. Binding and functional antibodies against variants persisted in most subjects, albeit at low levels, for 6-months after the primary series of the mRNA-1273 vaccine. Across all assays, B.1.351 had the lowest antibody recognition. These data complement ongoing studies to inform the potential need for additional boost vaccinations.

https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...cience.abj4176

DJ Problem with this kind of studies is they are retrospective...have to look back on already past events...We are getting-very likely-closer to vaccine evasive variants. 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/921617-hospital-acquired-sars-cov-2-infection-in-the-uk-s-first-covid-19-pandemic-wave[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/921617-hospital-acquired-sars-cov-2-infection-in-the-uk-s-first-covid-19-pandemic-wave ; Prevention of hospital-acquired infections is a critical aspect of clinical management of COVID-19 as hospital-acquired infections have been a common feature of previous novel coronavirus outbreaks.1 The number of COVID-19 patients in UK hospitals reached high levels during the first pandemic wave of 2020, and higher levels still in the subsequent winter wave. We assessed the magnitude of nosocomial COVID-19 in acute and long-term National Health Service (NHS) hospital facilities in the UK during the first pandmic wave.
We examined records of COVID-19 patients in UK hospitals enrolled in the International Severe Acute Respiratory and emerging Infections Consortium (ISARIC) WHO Clinical Characterisation Protocol UK (CCP-UK) study, with symptom onset before Aug 1, 2020

DJ You do not want healthcare worsening the pandemic...from hospitals to testing. (Here in NL at some testing stations people hang outside the door, smoking a cigarette..no masks, social distance...)

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921614-china-shuts-terminal-at-world%E2%80%99s-3rd-busiest-port-after-covid-case-august-12-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921614-china-shuts-terminal-at-world%E2%80%99s-3rd-busiest-port-after-covid-case-august-12-2021 ; China partly shut the world’s third-busiest container port after a worker became infected with Covid, threatening more damage to already fragile supply chains and global trade as a key shopping season nears.

All inbound and outbound container services at Meishan terminal in Ningbo-Zhoushan port were halted Wednesday until further notice due to a “system disruption,” according to a statement from the port. An employee tested positive for coronavirus, the eastern Chinese city’s government said.... The closed terminal accounts for about 25% of container cargo through the port...

DJ Several sides to this story, global trade but also...if China is not able to get a grip on Delta-variant with a lot of testing and vaccinations, very strict rules...what chance do countries with much less testing and rules have ? Cases in China +40% last week 563, this week 787...(no deaths reported)...When you also look at Israel, Australia simply looking bad !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/schools-public-private/921613-1-000-kids-in-mississippi-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-school-reopens[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/schools-public-private/921613-1-000-kids-in-mississippi-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-school-reopens ;
Nearly 5,000 children, educators and school staff are quarantined in Mississippi after returning to classrooms at the start of the new school year, some under mask-optional policies.

DJ Still lots of countries ignoring findings in India, Indonesia, US...will reopen schools and "be surprised there is spread of Delta in children" also in their country...can't fix stupid...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921604-cidrap-who-calls-on-countries-to-set-aside-differences-in-sars-cov-2-origin-probe[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921604-cidrap-who-calls-on-countries-to-set-aside-differences-in-sars-cov-2-origin-probe ; The World Health Organization (WHO) today called on countries to depoliticize the investigation into the origin of SARS-CoV-2 and how it jumped to humans, pressing for more raw data to review and suggesting that more can be done within its current framework to track lab safety around the world, including China.
In other developments, countries in Asia and elsewhere reported new daily COVID-19 records, and Australia’s capital city Canberra went on a 1-week lockdown after local cases were identified.

DJ This pandemic is man-made...we did not stop the spread of the virus even when "we" knew in january 2020 of a SARS-like virus spreading airborne from human to human in China...on top of that allready several cases of respitory infections had shown up in Europe in the last months of 2019...Intel should have had info end of 2019...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/921598-ny-covid-patients-in-icus-triple-in-month-77-of-us-counties-now-high-transmission-zones[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/921598-ny-covid-patients-in-icus-triple-in-month-77-of-us-counties-now-high-transmission-zones ; NY COVID Patients in ICUs Triple in Month; 77% of US Counties Now High Transmission Zones
More than three-quarters of all counties in America are now considered high infection rate areas by the CDC amid the delta-driven surge
By Jennifer Millman • Published 4 hours ago • Updated 3 hours ago

What to Know

More than 3/4 of all U.S. counties are now considered "high transmission" areas under the CDC's new tracking system; that means universal indoor masking is recommended regardless of vaccination status
In NJ, where the delta variant is responsible for more than 90% of COVID-positive samples tested, breakthrough infections represent a rising share of new hospitalizations, though the overall number is still low
The FDA is expected to approve a booster dose Thursday for immunocompromised Americans while officials at all levels of government push once again to reach those who haven't been vaccinated

The FDA is expected to approve a third dose for immunocompromised Americans on Thursday as the rampant spread of the delta variant, accountable for a still small but rising share of breakthrough infections, stokes new concerns about vaccine efficacy.

Breakthrough variance is significant by state, though it's not exactly clear why. Fully vaccinated people have accounted for up to 4.3% of all COVID hospitalizations (Utah) in a given state since the vaccination rollout started, according to the New York Times, and up to 5.6% of deaths (Maine).

They've driven as few as 0.1% (Georgia) of new COVID hospitalizations and 0.2% of deaths (also in Georgia).

Gov. Phil Murphy in New Jersey shared data earlier this week that hammered the point home: In his state, fully vaccinated people accounted for 3% of new COVID hospitalizations the period July 20-26. They accounted for just 0.004% of new hospitalizations between the start of the vaccine rollout and July 26, an indication that the delta variant, which now represents more than 90% of all positives samples tested in the state, could be more resistant to existing vaccines than other strains...

DJ Allthough a lot of European countries may do somewhat better in vaccinations, testing..the picture is not that different. Vaccines never claimed 100% protection. So "vaccine escape" was expected to be 5%+...and would underline the need for further restrictions, masks etc.

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/917226-us-wildlife-officials-investigating-mysterious-bird-illness-in-several-states-june-11?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/917226-us-wildlife-officials-investigating-mysterious-bird-illness-in-several-states-june-11?view=stream latest; The variety of birds that are dying in mysterious ways is growing, though it is unknown whether whatever has been causing birds to die is spreading to other species.
...
On Tuesday, a roseate tern was found with neurological symptoms at Sandy Point in West Haven, Patrick Comins, executive director of the Connecticut Audubon Society, said Wednesday. “There are a lot of things that can cause that, blue-green algae or red tide.”
...
Within the last two weeks, several swans and ducks were found dead in Great Meadows Marsh in Stratford, Comins said. Boom cannons were brought in to scare away other waterfowl. “They were kind of floating face down in the water and that’s usually how botulism plays out,” he said. But that hasn’t been determined.

During an online webinar Wednesday, Jenny Dickson, director of DEEP’s Wildlife Division, said terns and raptors have been reported with symptoms that come with the mystery syndrome: swollen and crusty eyes, neurological problems such as an inability to stand.

And Brian Evans, migratory bird ecologist at the Smithsonian Migratory Bird Center, located at the National Zoo in Washington, D.C., said that while reports are “really, really scant,” chickens have been reported with symptoms.

All these add to the growing list of songbirds, woodpeckers and hummingbirds that are being tested at the UConn lab in Storrs.

DJ With reports of illness in cats, dogs, deers testing positive for Covid...there could be a not very clear indirect link to the pandemic. 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919042-russia-reports-highest-daily-covid-19-case-rise-since-early-january[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/919042-russia-reports-highest-daily-covid-19-case-rise-since-early-january latest; August 12: What you need to know today

Russia on Thursday reported 21,932 new coronavirus cases and a new pandemic record of 808 deaths.
Russia's Sputnik V vaccine is 83% effective against the Delta variant, Health Minister Mikhail Murashko said Wednesday. Research published in The Lancet this winter showed Sputnik V to be 91.6% effective against the original coronavirus strain.
Russia saw more than 530,000 excess deaths between the start of the pandemic and the end of June 2021, according to official data published Friday.

DJ Vaccination is less then 20%..."economy first" policy...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-us-issues-level-4-travel-advisory-do-not-travel-july-19-2021?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-us-issues-level-4-travel-advisory-do-not-travel-july-19-2021?view=stream DJ-Cases +6,5%, deaths +6,5%, hospital admissions -8,6%, tests -2,1%  My (DJ) idea is testing has gone down...people only test when they have more serious symptoms or when they need a negative test result...Up to 80-90% of virus spread is asymptomatic due to vaccinations...That there are no symptoms yet does not mean the virus is not mutating...It is developing towards more vaccine escape since most of the spread by now in a lot of western countries is in vaccinated population thinking they are safe..."Politics" and " experts" simply not doing their job !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921546-national-vaccine-pass-for-us-may-be-implemented-soon[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921546-national-vaccine-pass-for-us-may-be-implemented-soonCMS administrator nominee Andy Slavitt headed company at the center of billing fraud case
by Evan Sweeney |Aug 4, 2015 12:30pm

Andy Slavitt, nominated by President Obama in July to replace Marilyn Tavenner as the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid administrator, was once a key player in one of the largest fraud settlements by a health insurance company, writes The Daily Caller.

Slavitt, who has served as acting administrator since Tavenner resigned in January, previously served as the chief executive officer (CEO) of Ingenix, a data analytics company owned by UnitedHealth Group that supplied reimbursement databases to health insurance companies. In 2008, then-New York Attorney
General Andrew Cuomo announced that the state was suing Ingenix for fraudulently calculating reimbursement rates and forcing beneficiaries to overpay as much as 30 percent for out-of-network providers. Prosecutors estimated the improper calculation impacted as many as 110 million Americans.

The American Medical Association jumped on board with a class-action suit, and less than a year later, UnitedHealth Group agreed to pay $350 million to settle claims that Ingenix used inaccurate pricing data. The insurer also cut a $50 million check to the state and agreed to replace Ingenix with a new, independent database.

UnitedHealth Group eventually eliminated Ingenix and created OptumInsight, keeping Slavitt on as CEO of the company until he joined CMS in 2014, according to The Daily Caller...

DJ Healthcare=money=crime ! Passes, green-cards etc. may push people to get vaccinated but also can increase new variants in vaccinated groups allowed to more social mixing...Not a long term thing...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/921579-proc-natl-acad-sci-u-s-a-asymptomatic-sars-cov-2-infection-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysis[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/921579-proc-natl-acad-sci-u-s-a-asymptomatic-sars-cov-2-infection-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysisAsymptomaticity was significantly lower among the elderly, at 19.7% (95% CI: 12.7 to 29.4%) compared with children at 46.7% (95% CI: 32.0 to 62.0%). We also found that cases with comorbidities had significantly lower asymptomaticity compared to cases with no underlying medical conditions. Without proactive policies to detect asymptomatic infections, such as rapid contact tracing, prolonged efforts for pandemic control may be needed even in the presence of vaccination.

DJ In other words; if you ignore asymptomatic spread this pandemic only lasts longer...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/921625-mol-biol-rep-genomic-evolution-of-the-human-and-animal-coronavirus-diseases[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/921625-mol-biol-rep-genomic-evolution-of-the-human-and-animal-coronavirus-diseases ; Abstract

Different coronaviruses have emerged due to their ability to infect, mutate and recombine multiple species and cell types, suggesting that these viruses will carry on to evolve and origin both veterinary and human diseases. So far, more than fifteen coronavirus-related diseases have been described in animals and seven in humans. Of which recently, a novel human betacoronavirus designated by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), an emerging zoonotic coronavirus is the causative agent of the coronavirus disease 2019. 

This virus emerged in China and spread rapidly worldwide. At the end of January 2020, the WHO declared the pandemic as a public health emergency of international concern. In this pandemic, the SARS-CoV-2 virus has infected more than 198 million people, with 4.2 million deaths worldwide (as of 2 August 2021). In the past two decades, this is the third betacoronavirus that has crossed the interspecies barrier from animals to infect humans and other animal species. The diseases caused mainly severe respiratory infections. 

The aim of this review is to summarize and provide an overview of the coronaviruses that can affect animals and humans and the diseases that ensue, as well as, its genomic relationship.

DJ "One health" humans are not that different from (other) animals...

-Video/twitter etc. 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUBrLTjiIm8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUBrLTjiIm8 ZOE-UK Covid-cases stalls (DJ-well they are going up...) 16 min. 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZbzqR4l-M[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZbzqR4l-M Dr. John Campbell on Covid19 and diabetes- 40 min. People with diabetes are more vulnarable for Covid-but Covid also increases a.o. risks for diabetes...

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDlBZGa2GlI[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDlBZGa2GlI Tropical storm "Fred" over Cuba on its way to Florida...

[url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDingThe good news is that efficacy against hospitalization is good. But it too is waning against #DeltaVariant — it’s not 99% anymore for protection against hospitalization. It dropped to 93% in June to then 88% in July.

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How serious is the vaccine efficacy drop issue with #DeltaVariant? This serious. It went from 95% in May, to 64% in June, to 40% in July in Israel Vlag van IsraĂ«l with 2 dose Pfizer as #DeltaVariant grew in dominance.
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[url]https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1[/url] or https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1 ;

Our government's strategy of letting the virus spread, with all it's consequences, including to our young are  being justified by unevidenced narratives put forward by some in the scientific community. And those who challenge this are targeted - without engagement on the evidence

DJ Of course a next step in "denial-strategy" is to silence those experts that do not "fit the partyline"...stop counting cases, hospital cases do go down when you let less people go into hospitals...if you do not test the dying "they do not die from Covid"...

It is a major problem that those that make laws consider themselves above any laws much to often....

-Music; Cat Stevens - 1976 - Morning Has Broken [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5sSEkZ86ts[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5sSEkZ86ts 



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My view on this pandemic. I am NOT an expert, just trying to get some sense on events, how this pandemic developes..

I love nice food, eating at restaurants, going to the movies...even yoga ! This pandemic is stopping me in doing things I like most...For that matter-for me-I want this pandemic to be over...Of course-I started this scenario's january 2020- the story of this pandemic did get that much worse...It is no longer "just" about restaurants, movies and yoga...There are most likely tens of millions of people dead from Covid...Maybe over 100 million suffering the aftereffects...

We are sinking deeper and deeper in this pandemic swamp with some governments denying the swamp is there...[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/08/13/rutte-gradual-end-social-distancing-society-restrictions-hopefully-gone-nov-1[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/08/13/rutte-gradual-end-social-distancing-society-restrictions-hopefully-gone-nov-1 and [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/08/13/higher-education-reopening-soon-time-vaccination-needed-says-ggd-health-service[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/08/13/higher-education-reopening-soon-time-vaccination-needed-says-ggd-health-service 

Trying to see where we are, where we are going numbers matter; [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/  Global tested cases 721,000+...deaths 10,155. US reporting over 155,000 new cases...

Trends [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table Tested cases worldwide +3%, deaths +2%...for most of the global population it is NOT winter, over 20% of the population has had some form of vaccination...Okay "blame Delta" for cases going up...Another aspect is false sense of security brought by vaccines...less masks, less social distancing = more spread. 

Yes in NL tested cases still going down, with the % of positive test over 12% indicating we should be testing a lot more in NL...cases -12%, deaths +14%...with the NL population 18y/o+ I believe by now 70%+ fully vaccinated...The idea was vaccinations would end this pandemic...Of course leaky vaccines can not do that job ! Even if we reach 90%+ vaccinations in NL of 12 y/o+ age groups-we may get there on a voluntary basis-most people want to get out of this pandemic ! I do not think there are many people (maybe some big pharma share holders...) that "enjoy" this pandemic...

UK cases +8%, deaths + 5%, Israel cases +66%, deaths +102% are also in the global vaccinated top countries...They started vaccinating earlier...NL is going that way-because we started vaccinations two months (or so) later...

DJ-My conclusion is NO !!! Vaccines (in combination with summer, schools closed etc) are NOT saving us ! YES We may have seen much more severe cases/deaths without those vaccines...but because NO vaccines in these countries would mean more restrictions/lockdown I start wondering what choice would have been better...

One year ago august had under 300,000 tested cases per day-with more testing ! One year ago we had 6,000/7,000 deaths per day...without vaccines ! 

So-my idea was yes maybe vaccines was a step forward but reopening is two steps backward...with schools still reopening, in summer, with 20% of the global population vaccinated over 700,000 cases-with less testing, over 10,000 daily deaths has to put a major ? on what the strategy is for getting out of this pandemic ! 

Like "wars on drugs and terror" a "war on Covid" may make matters much worse...not better !

Hal Turner writes a lot of non-sense but [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-urgent-we-have-a-literal-catastrophe-antibody-dependent-enhancement-detected-with-covid-19[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-urgent-we-have-a-literal-catastrophe-antibody-dependent-enhancement-detected-with-covid-19 points to a real risk...bot for vaccine and natural immunity. [url]https://www.journalofinfection.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0163-4453%2821%2900392-3[/url] or https://www.journalofinfection.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0163-4453%2821%2900392-3 (PDF-10 pages...; our data suggest that the balance between neutralizing and facilitating antibodies in vaccinated individuals is in favor of neutralization for the original Wuhan/D614G strain. However, in the case of the Delta variant, neutralizing antibodies have a decreased affinity for the spike protein, whereas facilitating antibodies display a strikingly increased affinity. Thus, ADE may be a concern for people receiving vaccines based on the original Wuhan strain spike sequence (either mRNA or viral vectors). Under these circumstances, second generation vaccines with spike protein formulations lacking structurally-conserved ADE-related epitopes should be considered. )

-Flutrackers latest posts;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/921692-rapid-genome-sequencing-in-hospitals-to-identify-potential-vaccine-escape-sars-cov-2-variants[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/921692-rapid-genome-sequencing-in-hospitals-to-identify-potential-vaccine-escape-sars-cov-2-variants ; SARS-CoV-2 genome sequencing is embedded in academic and public health laboratories, but whether there are benefits to rapid sequencing in front-line hospital laboratories is unclear. We did rapid genome sequencing of SARS-CoV-2-positive nose and throat swabs from patients admitted to our hospital since July 7, 2021, to identify potential SARS-CoV-2 vaccine-escape variants for infection control and public health purposes.

 In addition, we did PCR-based genotyping of all new SARS-CoV-2 cases for three south London hospitals (Guy's and St Thomas', King's College, and Princess Royal University) using the AusDiagnostics SARS-CoV-2 Typing Panel (16-well) on the AusDiagnostics HighPlex, sequencing any non-typeable results.
We identified two cases of a potential vaccine-escape variant from the B.1.621 lineage. This variant of interest,1 first identified in Colombia, has lineage-associated spike mutations R346K, E484K, and P681H, which have been reported to show reduced neutralisation by antibodies.234 In addition, the variant we detected harbours a K417N spike mutation, which is associated with vaccine escape in the beta variant first identified in South Africa.

DJ I think vaccines may have bought us some time...Time we wasted on partying, cruises, vacations...NOT using the time to build better defenses ! So yes we vaccinated 20%+ of the global population-did send zillions of $/€ of taxpayers money to Big Pharma (shareholders...most likely linked to governments not thinking of another strategy...).

There was a claim that the MRNA-vaccines would offer around 95% protection...so 5% of vaccinated people catching Covid should not be seen as "vaccine escape". But now the story has become "95%" protection from severe disease...Israel in a study claims even less then 50% vaccine protection from infection with no/mild symptoms...

And still vaccines are promoted as "the way out"????? While do may see 80/90% asymptomatic spread ? While those asymptomatic spread in fully vaccinated people WILL see mutations towards further vaccine escape/resistent variants ???? 

The way the "vaccine strategy" (if there was a strategy at all !!!!) was used has made matters far worse !!! Not better !!!!

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921691-address-risky-human-activities-now-or-face-new-pandemics-scientists-warn[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921691-address-risky-human-activities-now-or-face-new-pandemics-scientists-warn ; In early 2020, as a novel coronavirus swept the globe, a little-known word entered dinner table conversation. COVID-19 was “zoonotic”: a disease that originated in animals, then evolved, breached the Darwinian divide, and jumped to humans. On March 11, 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a global pandemic.

Now, with another wave surging worldwide — and more than 600,000 new cases being diagnosed daily — a new fear-evoking word has entered the lexicon: “variant.”

The war has changed,” according to an internal document from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The new highly contagious Delta variant has evolved to spread with the ease of chickenpox and causes more serious disease.

Now, infections near 200 million globally, with a staggering death toll: more than 4.2 million lives lost. Experts say the true numbers are far higher ...

https://www.newsecuritybeat.org/2021..._campaign=ecsp

DJ "The war has changed" - please US and wars are not a good combination...Kabul another Saigon...46 years later...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/global-climate-change/921690-it%E2%80%99s-official-july-was-earth%E2%80%99s-hottest-month-on-record[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/global-climate-change/921690-it%E2%80%99s-official-july-was-earth%E2%80%99s-hottest-month-on-record DJ The normal western strategy is kick the can down the road and blame someone else for the problem....

Denialism is a new sort of religion-just like "divine vaccines"....Humans are self destructive...They talk of how to solve the problem and then act making the problem (climate "change", pandemic, euro-crisis) even worse...

The "elite" claiming to own most of the planet is running this planet in THEIR interest...not in general interest...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921689-i-m-a-healthy-young-person-why-should-i-get-a-covid-vaccine-covid-19-school-of-public-health-expert-insights[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921689-i-m-a-healthy-young-person-why-should-i-get-a-covid-vaccine-covid-19-school-of-public-health-expert-insights ; Even healthy, young people should get vaccinated. Here’s why.

It's totally normal to have questions about the COVID-19 vaccines. We asked to hear from you on social media, and you sent us your inquiries. We’ve farmed them out to our experts and compiled their responses here.

Have more questions? Email us: publichealthquestion@jhu.edu
...
https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...d-vaccine.html

DJ Getting a vaccine should be a choice, an option...You can try to inform people the best you can but have to respect choices. I have a right to make a choice if I do not want unvaccinated persons into my house...Unvaccinated people have a right to refuse me in their house...I did get vaccinated because I still think it was "a lesser evil" ...but I am not blind vaccination is a medical intervention...it in itself has risks. 

In my opinion the Covid-vaccines itself may do a good job on the short term-but the total strategy is a disaster in wich vaccines can become a danger...Simply because vaccinating almost 8 billion people-with Covid spread also-still limited-in non human hosts is an unseen job in history...Vaccinations worldwide go much to slow-giving variants all the room to develop around vaccine immunity...Reopenings show a total lack of understanding, utter stupidity, on what pandemics did do in human history...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921667-nyc-transmission-rates-skyrocket-as-delta-hits-90-of-covid-cases[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921667-nyc-transmission-rates-skyrocket-as-delta-hits-90-of-covid-casesDelta now also accounts for more than 90% of COVID-positive samples tested across the state of New York

The highly transmissible delta variant continues to burn through New York City, now accounting for 90% of all positive samples -- and transmission rates are skyrocketing, as all the other indicators move in the wrong direction too.

All of New York City is now a "high transmission" area, per the CDC -- and the transmission rate (total new cases per 100,000 people over the prior seven days) is up almost 16% in just the last week alone, according to the city health department's latest update Friday.

The same "high transmission" designation holds true for 10 of New Jersey's 21 counties and a quarter of those in Connecticut, where an increasing number of cities and towns are renewing mask rules...

DJ If someone had any illusions on "natural immunity"...(the harder question is if natural immunity is almost gone-how good is vaccine immunity ? If older people-Pfizer-need a boostervaccine within a year...)

DJ-What I find hard is do we "even" now have to vaccinate children under 1 ? The idea is pregnant women get vaccinated-so they, and the babies born-will have some protection...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921664-indonesia-says-sinovac-efficacy-dropping[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921664-indonesia-says-sinovac-efficacy-droppingIndonesia says it has found that the Sinovac coronavirus vaccine was less effective at protecting against death and severe illness from April to June, compared with the previous three months.

The shots prevented 79% of deaths and 53% of hospitalisations in the three-month period, compared with 95% and 74%, respectively, from January to March, said Siti Nadia Tarmizi, spokeswoman for the government’s Covid task force.

She didn’t give a reason for the drop in the vaccine’s effectiveness.

DJ Some Chinese vaccines need three vaccinations...I think China vaccine strategy sees booster vaccines as part of the strategy...maybe going even for vaccinating most of China once every half year untill the pandemic is more under control ? 

(For commercial reasons "the west" is downplaying Chinese vaccines...Most of the world may allready be using Chinese vaccines because "they are there" sometimes at no costs ! Comparing western vaccines after two shots with Chinese vaccines after two shots can be "propaganda"...a lie...because those Chinese vaccines may be part of a longer term plan...) 

-Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKZqFDuVVY0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKZqFDuVVY0 

Let me be clear...I am getting to dislike this man..."UK cases "leveling off" ...sorry weekly trend is +8%....But Dr.J.C. is NOT ignoring children with more severe Covid...

Some twitter [url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing and [url]https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1[/url] or https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1 both underlining a need to vaccinate in combination with NPI..

WAR

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hicJe6xzAEQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hicJe6xzAEQ Alexander Mercouris trying to make some sense of the Taliban overrunning Afghanistan...

DJ After sept-11 2001 most of the world was willing to help the US in finding/catching those believed to be responsible...Osama bin Laden was the one blamed...he also claimed to be "part of the problem" (with alquaida islamo-fascist CIA/Saudi sponsored to kick the Soviet Union-CCCP out of Afghanistan). 

The west installed a regime of drug traffickers, corruption ruled Afghanistan. NATO moved in "to emancipate women, build schools for children" because NATO is your favorite charity organization...Of course the main reason for NATO being in Afghanistan was to get some grip on Russia, Iran, China...

The main reason why the taliban can overrun most of Pakistan-will before september 1 run Kabul-is most of the Afghans may have hated the "old western backed criminals" even more then the taliban islamo-fascists...Another factor is Pakistan that got insulted by Trump...Pakistan did work with the west/NATO after the 1979 USSR intervention. The CIA did manage to create chaos in an Afghanistan with a pro-Soviet Union regime (where woman, children could go to school...very western. Islam on the background.).

The US wanted the Soviet Union getting weaker by creating a "Vietnam for the Soviet Union" in Afghanistan...The strategy (and Chernobyl in 1986) resulted in the USSR pulling out of Afghanistan in 1989-end of Soviet Union in 1991...

But it left Afghanistan in a vacuum-heroin as a main source of income. The taliban are against drugs...but non-believers are "subhuman" so export of drugs for subhumans (=us-in their idea) is no problem. Pakistan was willing to play a role...so was the CIA. 

Now-2021-the taliban  must be aware of the strategic position Afghanistan has. Winning the war may be easier then "winning the peace". Western embassies are being evacuated, Russia, China, India staff stays in Kabul...

TIP-may be a factor; Turkey-Iran-Pakistan trying to create a better position for their countries towards their main partners Russia and China (also more and more working as one block). 

There are several countries willing to "invest" in Afghanistan...always at a price. Not opening the doors may not be "very welcome", "No" is not the answer China will accept...

Like in this pandemic also in Asia "the west" -by confrontation-is losing the "war"...Dogmatism, unable to see alternatives, the west is repeating mistakes over and over again. The west has become its own major enemy...other countries may have just to sit and wait...

Music ; John Denver & Plácido Domingo - 1981 - Perhaps Love [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toYfeN0ACDw[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toYfeN0ACDw 

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I'm surprised by some of the things Dr John Campbell says as well. In general I think he's pretty good, but I think it's too early to call that the pandemic is retreating in the UK. 

He also said that against the Delta variant, Pfizer had dropped to about 46% efficacy and Moderna about 70%.

Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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I sometimes wonder if Dr.J.C. is paid by the UK government...He has good info...but from time to time I wonder why he feels the need to see "a silverlining" behind stormclouds...Dr.J.C. more or less promoted "vaccinating out of the pandemic", supported UK reopening...He-of course-has a right to have his own opinion...Only he presents himself as "Dr"...claims to be neutral...

Another internet-active is Hal Turner...NOT neutral, in my opinion often basically very emotional...HT did switch his view on Covid several times...Did bring "news" you likely may not find anywhere else...(I remember a nurse breaking down in New York...on how impossible the job had become...The horror of greeting patients...you know would be dead within hours...). 

The world has gone crazy in many ways...[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/kabul-falling-to-taliban-us-failure-worse-than-saigon-us-intel-totally-incompetent[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/kabul-falling-to-taliban-us-failure-worse-than-saigon-us-intel-totally-incompetent DJ-The taliban is NOT the Red Kmehr-that killed 1/3 of the Cambodia population between 1975-79...it is not IS (A CIA/Saudi terrorist group) that most likely killed around 10% when they "ruled area's"...still active as "moderate western backed rebels"...

NATO did become North Atlantic Terrorist Organization because of working with IS, the Azov-regiment of neo-nazi scum in Ukraine...

Not only the US but NATO is kicked out of Afghanistan by the taliban-in my opinion an islamo-fascist cult...The only reason they can win is that the western puppet government did make such a mess that for most taliban-thugs may be better...for now. 

The taliban-government-proberbly allready in Kandahar their capitol-has some backing by Pakistan/ISI...A taliban delegation went to Iran, Russia, China...most likely also have contacts in Turkey, the Arab/Islamic world. That does not mean the taliban can do all they want...

Since it may turn out you can not make deals with islamo-fascists (eventhough the US is doing so with IS, Saudi and other Gulf-royal dictatorships) Russia-Iran-China (RIC...when you include Pakistan and Turkey = PRICT )may choose to "intervene"...Russia has become an expert in fighting crazy saudi/cia terrorists in Syria...has a long history in Afghanistan...The last war there 1979-89 for Russia/Soviet Union was not a succes...but "times they are changing"...

PRICT want Afghanistan fitting in plans China moving west, Russia moving south...If the taliban does not work with that they will be replaced. 

-What does this have to do with this pandemic ? Failed strategies...experts showing to know little, results are "not as expected"...

Vaccinations did NOT solve the pandemic in Israel, UK, NL....the healthcrisis is much worse then one year ago ! The "wars in Asia" resulted in the west being kicked out...the western "war against the virus" does see the virus win....

Here in NL embedded press "joked" about countries going for zero-covid...ignoring low testing-still high number of new cases in NL...

China, Australia, New Zealand (Vietnam, Taiwan, Thailand) try to go for "zero-covid" R0=0...NOT "living with the virus"...

Living with the virus means a never ending worsening pandemic. Not counting positive tested cases is giving up at basic controls...Denialism "to save the economy"...The same utter stupidity that is stopping taking climate collapse seriously...

This pandemic is a political crisis ! So you need political changes to get out of this crisis ! 

-Climate change is linked to severe flooding in Turkey, Japan a.o. Extreme heat in southern Europe with temperatures close to 50C (=120F). Wildfires all over the planet !

Melting of the permafrost may be linked to increase of earthquakes. The M7.2 hitting Haïti most likely killed thousends...with tropical storm "Grace" doing more damage the coming 48 hours...After the 2010 M7 quake (killing 200,000) cholara did kill 45,000 or so...This time Covid will be a major killer in Haïti...

From the South Atlantic, Alaska, north of New Zealand we had several strong quakes some of them M7+, one even M8+ [url]https://www.thebigwobble.org/p/major-quakes-2021.html[/url] or https://www.thebigwobble.org/p/major-quakes-2021.html 

-A short look at weekend numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ almost 568,000 new cases, 8,711 reported deaths...in summer, weekend low numbers-with schools still to reopen in many places...A year ago we were at half those numbers and without vaccines...

Vaccines themselves-the ones used large scale-even those from China-seem to offer protection against severe disease for most ! But vaccinations were NOT a basis for reopenings, mass air travel, party-time...

Trends [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table cases +0,6%, deaths -0,1%...around 66,400 reported deaths per week worldwide...Problem is can we trust these numbers ? 

[url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing ; DISTORTING DEATH TREND—Florida changed how it reports #COVID19 deaths. Result? Fewer recent “new deaths”. While deaths looks like going “down”—in actuality—deaths are going up in the more common reporting method, by taking advantage of delays. Lowdown

DJ A lot of countries simply stopped counting...with massive influx of sick, dying children, old people in care centers-often they are vaccinated !!!! And the outlook with people coming home from vacation, schools reopening is bad ! 

We are moving into the worst part of this pandemic so far...even with 20%+ of the global population vaccinated !

-Flutrackers latests;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/921760-id-150-white-tailed-deer-die-from-disease-in-kamiah-area-test-results-pending[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/animal-diseases-of-concern-excludes-h5n1/921760-id-150-white-tailed-deer-die-from-disease-in-kamiah-area-test-results-pending ; The symptoms are like EHD or bluetongue, but it’s not spreading as fast as we have seen (in the past),” said J.J. Teare, supervisor of the Clearwater Region of the Idaho Department of Fish and Game.

Biologists collected additional samples late last week, and test results are pending. Teare said it is possible the deer are indeed suffering from EHD but a different strain than has been previously identified in the region.

DJ Some deer tested positive for Covid viral parts...If there is a link with Covid I expect biologists will be able to detect it. However there may be a link with African Swine Fever and the start of Covid...maybe as a corona secondary infection not noticed in time ? The link is statistical, in time order...but not further detected yet...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/avian-flu-diary/921745-through-a-scanner-darkly[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/avian-flu-diary/921745-through-a-scanner-darkly

As part of my blogging routine, several times a day I search Twitter using terms like `COVID Variant' - which invariably turns up hundreds of conspiratorial COVID tweets - claiming that the virus doesn't exist, the pandemic is fake, and that the virus is nothing but a mislabeled (for nefarious purposes) `flu'.


Trying to convince these people otherwise is probably futile, and frankly, I haven't the patience to try. But if you have any lingering doubts, or are simply curious how bad things really are in your neck of the woods, there is an easy way to monitor COVID's impact on your community; emergency radio scanners.

Although I have a police/fire/EMS scanner app on my iPad, I've only used it a few times during local emergencies, like hurricanes or prolonged power outages. I consider it part of my general preparedness, but not something I tend to think about or use very often.


But earlier this week a friend (who is an RN) asked me about police scanners, with the idea of monitoring local ambulance calls for COVID.

Rather than buy a scanner, I recommended she use one of the many free (ad supported) online services, or download an app for her phone, before investing in a radio receiver or paying for an app.

-

For a reality check of what is really going on with COVID in your community, I can't think of anything more sobering, or informative. than listening to your local EMS, Public Safety, or Fire/Rescue scanner traffic for a couple of hours a day.


Knowing how much COVID illness is in your community just might convince you to take a few extra precautions in public; wearing a facemask, avoiding crowds, and getting vaccinated if you haven't.

And while you're at it - as you listen - give a thought to all those who work every day to serve and protect both on the streets and in the hospitals, and who occasionally pay the ultimate price for their service.

DJ I can hear ambulances in my area on a bad day almost every hour...I hate that !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats/921768-afghanistan-not-a-political-thread-potential-large-public-health-threat-as-government-falls-august-15-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats/921768-afghanistan-not-a-political-thread-potential-large-public-health-threat-as-government-falls-august-15-2021 ; The Taliban have taken control of Afghanistan’s Jalalabad without a fight, according to officials and a resident, effectively leaving the capital Kabul as the last major urban area under government control.

The key eastern city, which is also the capital of Nangarhar province, fell early on Sunday morning. It’s capture followed the Taliban’s seizure of the major northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif.

-

Please see:

China - 52 emergency returnees from Afghanistan test positive for COVID-19 after landing in Wuhan, Hubei province - July 7, 2021

Afghan Officials: Delta Variant Accounts for Nearly 60% of New Infections

Afghan polio vaccine drive in trouble after three female medics killed - 2021

Afghanistan reports HP H5N8 bird flu in poultry on farm: OIE

DJ Orthodox religion often is against vaccinations, women working-even in medical jobs...only "education" is a "holy book". I am in favor of freedom of religion, freedom of expression...since I know that we all are very limited...But sometimes...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921765-china-government-media-alleges-suspected-deliberate-covid-19-under-reporting-in-yucheng-henan-province-august-14-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921765-china-government-media-alleges-suspected-deliberate-covid-19-under-reporting-in-yucheng-henan-province-august-14-2021Due to poor epidemic control and suspected under-reporting of the epidemic in Yucheng County, the epidemic situation is under investigation.

zhttps://www.chinanews.com/sh/2021/08-14/9543304.shtml

DJ China is not the only country under reporting...the sad part is most countries are switching to control the news since the pandemic is getting out of control...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921759-vaccine-inventor-questions-mandatory-shot-push-biden%E2%80%99s-covid-19-strategy-vaccination-arms-race-could-prove-dangerous-to-the-american-public[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921759-vaccine-inventor-questions-mandatory-shot-push-biden%E2%80%99s-covid-19-strategy-vaccination-arms-race-could-prove-dangerous-to-the-american-public ;

Vaccine inventor questions mandatory shot push, Biden’s Covid-19 strategy

Vaccination 'arms race' could prove dangerous to the American public
The Biden administration’s strategy to universally vaccinate in the middle of the pandemic is bad science and badly needs a reboot.

This strategy will likely prolong the most dangerous phase of the worst pandemic since 1918 and almost assuredly cause more harm than good – even as it undermines faith in the entire public health system.
Four flawed assumptions drive the Biden strategy. The first is that universal vaccination can eradicate the virus and secure economic recovery by achieving herd immunity throughout the country (and the world). However, the virus is now so deeply embedded in the world population that, unlike polio and smallpox, eradication is unachievable. SARS-CoV-2 and its myriad mutations will likely continually circulate, much like the common cold and influenza.

The second assumption is that the vaccines are (near) perfectly effective. However, our currently available vaccines are quite “leaky.” While good at preventing severe disease and death, they only reduce, not eliminate, the risk of infection, replication, and transmission. As a slide deck from the Centers for Disease Control has revealed, even 100% acceptance of the current leaky vaccines combined with strict mask compliance will not stop the highly contagious Delta variant from spreading.

The third assumption is that the vaccines are safe. Yet scientists, physicians, and public health officials now recognize risks that are rare but by no means trivial. Known side effects include serious cardiac and thrombotic conditions, menstrual cycle disruptions, Bell’s Palsy, Guillain Barre syndrome, and anaphylaxis...

DJ I think we may have no choice but go for the "impossible" zero-covid strategy. The alternative is a never ending pandemic only getting worse-with more coinfections and healthcare collapsing. 

The Delta variant uncontrolled is supposed to have a R0 between 5 and 8 (not an absolute number since where you live matters !). We can get Delta R0 under 1 with vaccinations AND NPI/Lockdown...but we are not doing it...Next variants may have a R0 of 12...most likely much more airborne, more likely to spread in non-human hosts...Very hard to control-massive killer !

Some "politicians/experts" simply are unable of thinking of how bad infectious diseases can get ! The UK-SAGE study warning for much more deadly variants is simply ignored...From a history perspective the Spanish Flu was "mild" ! It "only" killed between 2 to 5% of the global population ! Most pandemics in history-if they did get "serious" killed 33%-50% and in some area's all...

Denialism and in-action are the motors behind this pandemic more even then the virus !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921754-there-will-be-one-economy-for-the-vaccinated-and-another-for-everyone-else[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921754-there-will-be-one-economy-for-the-vaccinated-and-another-for-everyone-else ;  Not enough Americans are vaccinated to prevent Delta's spread, but enough people are vaccinated to keep the economy open and maintain a sense of normalcy.

That's because the economy has also mutated alongside the virus, learning how to adapt to a pandemic world. Once Americans understood how the virus spreads, many professions improvised methods to limit physical contact and keep the economy running while preventing another lockdown.

DJ Here in NL polls indicate very likely 90% of the 12 y/o+ are willing to get vaccinated or is allready vaccinated. I think the latest NL numbers are 70%+ of all 18 y/o+ are now fully vaccinated. The younger age groups did not yet had the chance to get fully vaccinated since we started with the oldest and most vulnarble like in most countries. 

But also here in NL unvaccinated may not be allowed in restaurants, cinema's etc. There may come a sort of "testing-for-entry" plan. But unvaccinated may have to pay themselves for those tests...

Employers/employees are still discussing on how to deal with unvaccinated co-workers. They may be seperated on the workfloor/office...not allowed on work related social events...And NL is one of the most "liberal" countries !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921750-florida-changed-how-it-reports-covid-data-the-result-the-pandemic-appears-less-severe-with-fewer-recent-deaths[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921750-florida-changed-how-it-reports-covid-data-the-result-the-pandemic-appears-less-severe-with-fewer-recent-deathsFlorida changed its COVID reporting method Tuesday and now reports when cases or deaths actually occurred rather than when they were communicated to the state — allowing health officials to assign cases or deaths to days in the past rather than the present.

Health officials not only adjusted recent information but revised all numbers going back to the start of the pandemic in March 2020. Since Tuesday, Florida continued to revise its information based on the actual dates of cases or deaths, even adjusting some record-breaking daily case counts downward. .

DJ If you can not control the facts, control the news...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/volcanos-earthquakes-glaciers-fires-hurricanes/921746-haiti-earthquake-%E2%80%93-huge-magnitude-7-quake-strikes-in-caribbean[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/volcanos-earthquakes-glaciers-fires-hurricanes/921746-haiti-earthquake-%E2%80%93-huge-magnitude-7-quake-strikes-in-caribbeanTHOUSANDS are feared dead and many more injured after a major earthquake struck western Haiti on Saturday, forcing people to flee their homes amid fears buildings might collapse.

The magnitude 7 earthquake quake struck 8 km from the town of Petit Trou de Nippes, about 150 km west of the capital Port-au-Prince, at a depth of 10 km, the US Geological Survey said...

DJ Healthcare infrastructure was allready weak before the quake...will even worsen ! (Testing will stop for Covid...).

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/921697-lancet-reg-health-am-estimating-under-recognized-covid-19-deaths-united-states-march-2020-may-2021-using-an-excess-mortality-modelling-approach[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/921697-lancet-reg-health-am-estimating-under-recognized-covid-19-deaths-united-states-march-2020-may-2021-using-an-excess-mortality-modelling-approach ; We estimated that 766,611 deaths attributable to COVID-19 occurred in the United States from March 8, 2020-May 29, 2021. Of these, 184,477 (24%) deaths were not documented on death certificates. Eighty-two percent of unrecognized deaths were among persons aged ≥65 years; the proportion of unrecognized deaths were 0•24-0•31 times lower among those 0-17 years relative to all other age groups. More COVID-19-attributable deaths were not captured during the early months of the pandemic (March-May 2020) and during increases in SARS-CoV-2 activity (July 2020, November 2020-February 2021).


Discussion: Estimating COVID-19-attributable unrecognized deaths provides a better understanding of the COVID-19 mortality burden and may better quantify the severity of the COVID-19 pandemic.

DJ The UK and Russia only count those that died within 28 days after positive testing as Covid-deaths...Since testing itself remains a major problem a lot of people die without ever been tested...

-No new video from Dr. John Campbell...maybe a list of some experts on twitter;

[url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing 

[url]https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD[/url] or https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD 

[url]https://twitter.com/JacobBAguilar[/url] or https://twitter.com/JacobBAguilar 

[url]https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1[/url] or https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1 

Pandemics are allways complex...since we all on this forum have limited science background-and there is an ocean of info-it may be wise to get a wide perspective. 

There are several "fights"...should vaccinations become mandatory ? Some countries go as far as making them mandatory almost for all above 12 y/o+...others may discuss making it mandatory for HCW-ers in contact with patients (here in NL...but since 95% of HCW-ers may be vaccinated allready-and vaccinations are not 100% perfect it may be wiser to direct discussion on other matters like social behavior...a fully vaccinated party animal may be of more risk then an unvaccinated self-isolating person...). 

Fights between vaccine producers...on safety, on profit, on global share...

Fights over strategies; "living with the virus" or zero Covid ? 

I (DJ) am NOT neutral ! I am also NOT an expert/doctor...But I am willing to give some "medical advice"! Get vaccinated unless you have very serious doubts ! If you have doubts inform yourself, talk to medical persons ! Another point is to take care-try to avoid mass meetings ! 

Boosting your immunity/health, some supplements may help ! But also get good sleep and relaxation if possible ! 

Know your limits-and accept those limits ! 

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Stay safe...I am here to make my mind up...but I may be totally wrong !

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DJ, 

Some links since things are going fast; 

-WAR

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/afghanistan-this-is-the-end-.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/afghanistan-this-is-the-end-.html Moon of Alabama had to update the info ;

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/afghanistan-taliban-make-new-peace-offer-and-other-bits.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/afghanistan-taliban-make-new-peace-offer-and-other-bits.html 

DJ-Sunday august 15 may see the taliban being in control of all of Afghanistan...including most of Kabul. The parts not controlled yet by the taliban are not under their control by choice...The taliban may allow a lot of foreign staff etc. to leave the country for now...

Even I am surprised by how fast the NATO-puppet regime collapsed...

Climate collapse

-[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/there-is-no-will-to-fight-climate-change.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/there-is-no-will-to-fight-climate-change.html 

[url]https://paulbeckwith.net/2021/08/13/some-reflections-on-life-in-the-climate-casino-and-on-the-latest-climate-report/[/url] or https://paulbeckwith.net/2021/08/13/some-reflections-on-life-in-the-climate-casino-and-on-the-latest-climate-report/ 

This pandemic;

[url]https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/09/us/us-coronavirus-summer-reopening/index.html[/url] or https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/09/us/us-coronavirus-summer-reopening/index.html Summer did not save us...

[url]https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/vaccines-should-end-the-pandemic-despite-the-variants-say-experts/[/url] or https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/vaccines-should-end-the-pandemic-despite-the-variants-say-experts/ 

DJ-What these three have in common is unrealistic international governments underestimating risks...repeating mistakes over and over again...still unable to realize the damage they did cause...

So if the Afghan war, climate collapse does tell us anything of what to expect for this pandemic realism leaves little hope...

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DJ,

To start with; The taliban want international ties...will not take over Kabul airport still under NATO control...they even may assist foreigners getting to that airport...getting out of Afghanistan. No doubt a purge has allready started...

Number of Haïti earthquake deaths latest reported close to 1300 with tropical storm Grace moving in...

Ebola seems a never ending-limited-problem in parts of Africa...

Link between them ? A lot of western resque/air transport now going to Afghanistan-so NOT to Haïti, Africa...

I am shocked by how fast the taliban could take over Afghanistan-like most people will be shocked. It looks like the NATO puppet regime was there only for show and kept in power by NATO...The "west" unaware of how out of touch it was with reality...

Some people even welcoming the taliban in the hope it will-finally-bring peace and stability...It was trump that made the choice the US would pull back from Afghanistan...Biden followed that decission. But "intel" failed completely not seeing the "Afghan Army" would give its weapons to the taliban...regional governments simply giving the taliban all the room to move on. 

I guess Afghans are exhausted of this never ending war...

-This pandemic [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table global reported cases going down -2%, deaths -0,7% based on these numbers...US cases -3%, deaths +3%...UK cases/deaths +5%, Israel cases +58%, deaths +94%...

These numbers may "show a signal of manipulation"...."Countries out of touch with reality"....

-On this forum; I totally disagree with this viewpoint [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2021/08/a-letter-to-unvaccinated.html[/url] or http://www.thebigwobble.org/2021/08/a-letter-to-unvaccinated.html but I think I need to try to understand that viewpoint...would welcome a willingness for discussion !

"War on Covid" that becomes a "War on the unvaccinated" is creating another problem ! The US seems to be still in a sort of "civil war"...There are groups against vaccinations in other countries as well-maybe in France to show themselves the most...but worldwide groups against Covid-policies do show themselves. Often a mix of all kind of people..."anarchists", yoga-types, right wing extremists-neo-nazi's (with some right wing people strongly against nazi's...)

The conflict sometimes also ends up at this forum...I am not happy with that ! A forum has to be a "market place"; I may be selling alternatives for meat but I have to accept there is also someone in this market selling meat...

There has to be room on this forum for lots of opinions ! Nobody is 100% right ! Even experts disagree on this pandemic ! The face of this pandemic is much different depending on where you live...There is a major crisis in some US states, New Zealand is doing a great job keeping the virus out ! Here in NL our "government" is creating the false illusion the pandemic is almost over...(and we all know how that will work out...).

Maybe our NL "liberal" "government" is a main reason why almost 90% of the 12 y/o+ do want vaccinations ! They do trust vaccines more then they trust our government...In many other countries governments are discussing mandatory vaccinations...We do not have that kind of discussion here...yet may be getting to among the highest level of fully vaccinated people worldwide ! 

Worldwide all people (maybe some big pharma shareholders excluded) want to see an end to this pandemic. The disagreement is in how to get there...

DJ; "Respect" for me means you are willing to accept the other including lots of disagreements...but at least with a willingnes to talk...If you can not give respect-do not expect respect-or any discussion...just another conflict...

Communications has to be the basics of how to deal with any crisis. 

-Flutrackers latest posts-only 12 posts with no new news....some twitter news;

[url]https://twitter.com/JacobBAguilar[/url] or https://twitter.com/JacobBAguilar ; Q: What is the math saying about the current state of the pandemic? A: The forces of infection are so high that vaccines alone are insufficient. Airborne mitigation strategies are necessary to reach and maintain a controlled subcritical level (R_e(t)<1). 

DJ With Delta-and very likely worse-variants the only way out may be vaccines+NPI+ air control...UV-C killing the virus that will spread via the air...may be blown into your house by the wind....We should be preparing for variants with a R0 of 8+...but we are fighting eachother ...

[url]https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1[/url] or https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1This is a tragedy created by those who should’ve been protecting the public rather than putting them in harms way. Libertarianism ideologies around masking are literally killing people and harming young children.

DJ I translate this as the only way to get out of this pandemic may be much more draconian...Australia-some states in lockdown with-for most countries-limited numbers. China going for massive testing/vaccinations...maybe not mandatory but if you do not get tested/vaccinated you may get "isolated" in a cell...for public protection. 

DJ-What I find difficult to accept is mandatory mas vaccinations (from age 12 ? age 5 ? age 2 ? ) with lots of airtravel, party-ing...Massive spread of variants in combination with massive invasion of basic rights on self determination. 

It should be MY choice if I want to be tested, vaccinated ! If I do not want that I should be able to choose isolation...

[url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDingMy heart breaks for the people of Afghanistan. But some are telling me to “stay in my lane”. Ummmm, did your parents survive China’s Cultural Revolution (millions died)? Did your grandparents barely escape the Rape of Nanjing (300k deaths)? The evacuation of refugees is personal!

DJ The people of Afghanistan would love to live in peace, the basics (shelter, food& water) and a bit more if possible...Why-as a "civilization" we keep failing to provide even basic rights to most of the global population ? 

This pandemic was the outcome of inaction. Denial, underestimating the risks, are still the major problem resulting a.o. in many people still getting ill, dying...also false statistics, to little testing/sequencing...

Driving high speed on an unknown road in thick fog with the lights out...Pandemic gone under the radar...

-Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuY5Ia5XmRA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuY5Ia5XmRA with another update...a.o. expensive US treatments ;

Governor DeSantis championed Regeneron’s monoclonal antibody cocktail the most effective treatment that we’ve yet encountered for people who are actually infected with covid-19.

 Best shot we’ve got right now to keep people out of the hospital and keep them safe (has rejected mask mandates and restrictions) 

70% reduction in hospitalizations, (DeSantis) 

Supply? Trump administration initially bought 300,000 doses $1,500 per dose at the time Federal government has now bought 1.5 million doses 

Free to patients DeSantis urged people at high risk to get the treatment at the first sign of symptoms become part of the standard of care 

Regeneron, $2.59 billion in sales 

Kami Kim, division of infectious-disease, University of South Florida The number one strategy is probably going back to social distancing again and wearing masks 

And obviously, Governor DeSantis has his view on that, which most public health people would not entirely agree with.

DJ So some "politicians" again going for expensive big pharma medication most like better in creating profit then curing patients...Treating this pandemic as a bussiness oppertunity is one of the reasons we are still in this pandemic ! Immoral capitalism..trying to make money out of everything..has become the motor behind global destruction. 

Music; Golden Earring - Radar Love - 1973 [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm1q1XoN_Qo[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm1q1XoN_Qo 



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DJ, 

See the parallels; [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-government-lied-two-decades-about-afghanistan[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-government-lied-two-decades-about-afghanistanFor two decades, the message Americans heard from their political and military leaders about the country’s longest war was the same. America is winning. The Taliban is on the verge of permanent obliteration. The U.S. is fortifying the Afghan security forces, which are close to being able to stand on their own and defend the government and the country.

And how we are (not) dealing with this pandemic...Do we have to face a 20 year pandemic because of political stupidity ? Do medical advisers/politicians repeat mistakes over and over because the "way they see thing unable them to face reality"? 

Do we have "crazy leaders" ? Is this pandemic a political problem - no longer a medical problem in the first place ? 

You can also look at "climate change" (=collapse...dying is also "a life event" ...please !). Governments agreed in 2015-Paris..to decrease green house gasses...and do the opposite...Sometimes even win elections by doing so...

Do most of the voters simply think if they deny the problem it will go away ? 

Not building a "house on ice" but a major city...during winter and now summer may be coming...Leaders claiming "we build solid houses" but that was not the problem...the ice under the houses is...Governments not doing a proper job because they simply do not see their task..."leaving it up to the citizens"...

-Numbers/trends [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table Global cases +1%, deaths -0,7%...with many states simply not testing enough, finding new ways to "keep numbers down" ...other lies...If you can not control the crisis, control the news...

a look at some countries supposed to be doing good in this crisis...

Israel did have a high level of vaccinations...Yesterday 7,253 new cases, 19 deaths...Trends cases +56%, deaths +78%...[url]https://www.timesofisrael.com/active-cases-pass-50000-just-2-months-after-they-stood-at-around-200/[/url] or https://www.timesofisrael.com/active-cases-pass-50000-just-2-months-after-they-stood-at-around-200/

The number of serious COVID-19 cases in Israel fell slightly overnight amid hopes that the effect of the third vaccine booster given to older Israelis was beginning to be seen. Meanwhile, active cases in the country rose to over 50,000 after standing at around 200 just two months ago.

Health Ministry data showed there were 531 patients in serious condition, a drop of 7 since midnight. Of the seriously ill, 94 were on ventilators. In total, there were 908 people hospitalized with COVID-19.

The Health Ministry said the rate of serious cases was far higher among unvaccinated Israelis aged 60-plus, who constituted 151.5 people per 100,000 in serious condition on Monday; among the vaccinated the figure was 19.3, and among the partially vaccinated 40.9.

DJ Most cases in unvaccinated...Vaccines still doing a job...Schools in Israel reopen september 1...

UK Cases +5%, deaths +1%...Almost 3,000 cases per million in the last 7 days...

Australia [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/australias-outbreak-worsens-authorities-tighten-lockdowns[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/australias-outbreak-worsens-authorities-tighten-lockdowns ...

China [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/worlds-third-busiest-port-remains-partially-shut-china-stoking-fresh-supply-chain-fears[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/worlds-third-busiest-port-remains-partially-shut-china-stoking-fresh-supply-chain-fears 

Of course some experts have been warning the only way to get Delta-with a R0 of between 5 and 8 under control is vaccinations AND lockdowns...Somehow "politics" go on reopening.."saving the economy" till there is no room at ICU/hospitals...bodies piling up...

-Flutrackers latest posts;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921759-vaccine-inventor-questions-mandatory-shot-push-biden%E2%80%99s-covid-19-strategy-vaccination-arms-race-could-prove-dangerous-to-the-american-public[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921759-vaccine-inventor-questions-mandatory-shot-push-biden%E2%80%99s-covid-19-strategy-vaccination-arms-race-could-prove-dangerous-to-the-american-public latest ; How remaining in the dark and turning in vicious circles inevitably leads to erroneous decisions

Conducting mass vaccination campaigns on a background of high infection rates generates optimal conditions for breeding even more infectious Sars-CoV-2 variants. 

The combination of massive, spike-directed immune pressure combined with high infectious pressure rapidly allows these variants to reproduce more effectively such as to outcompete previously circulating variants/ strains. 

Mass vaccination, therefore, promotes viral evolution towards more infectious variants.

The resulting enhancement of viral infectious pressure makes it more likely for everyone, including healthy, unvaccinated people to come in contact with the virus, especially in times where infection prevention measures are loosened. 

To the extent that high infection rates cause people to become re-exposed shortly after a previous asymptomatic infection, their innate Sars-CoV-binding antibodies (Abs) will be suppressed by short-lived, poorly functional anti-spike Abs, known to not be responsible for preventing the infection from becoming symptomatic. 

It is precisely the suppression of these broadly protective innate Abs that makes previously asymptomatically infected individuals more susceptible to disease. 

It is also precisely this phenomenon that explains why a first wave of a natural pandemic is followed by a second wave in younger age groups. 

The even bigger amplitude of that second wave merely reflects the overwhelming contribution of a population’s innate immunity to its overall immune protective capacity. 

So, this is why we’re now seeing more and more disease in younger age groups, and even children, although they were perfectly protected during previous waves. 

Extending mass vaccination campaigns to these younger age groups is the most irresponsible public health proposal (decision?) ever as...

DJ [url]https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/how-remaining-in-the-dark-and-turning-in-vicious-circles-inevitably-leads-to-erroneous-decisions[/url] or https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/how-remaining-in-the-dark-and-turning-in-vicious-circles-inevitably-leads-to-erroneous-decisions  A few comments on Geert van den Bossche ; He does not have an alternative-as far as I know...for vaccines...Also so far most of the new cases/deaths are in the unvaccinated...

But combining mass vaccination with spread of variants has to result in new vaccine escape variants...(This is just my opinion...I am not an expert...)

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921773-harvard-medical-school-professor-nih-director-francis-collins-is-misleading-the-public[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921773-harvard-medical-school-professor-nih-director-francis-collins-is-misleading-the-publicNatural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?

Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.

David Rosenberg , Jul 13 , 2021 9:24 AM

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.

Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated...

DJ Discussion on how well natural infection protects...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-us-issues-level-4-travel-advisory-do-not-travel-july-19-2021?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-us-issues-level-4-travel-advisory-do-not-travel-july-19-2021?view=stream latest-DJ UK cases +4,8%, deaths +1,6%, hospital admissions +2,1%, testing going up 0,5%...UK Hospital cases were going down for some days...Deaths and hospital numbers may be less vulnarable for government-fraud...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921856-nih-scientists-develop-faster-covid-19-test[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/921856-nih-scientists-develop-faster-covid-19-testScientists at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) have developed a new sample preparation method to detect SARS-Cov-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The method bypasses extraction of the virus’ genetic RNA material, simplifying sample purification and potentially reducing test time and cost. The method is the result of a collaboration among researchers at the National Eye Institute (NEI), the NIH Clinical Center (CC), and the National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research (NIDCR).

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...-covid-19-test

DJ Welcome news ! Better, faster, testing/sequencing can give a better view of where this pandemic is going !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/schools-public-private/921855-florida-5-600-hillsborough-students-quarantined-due-to-covid-19-emergency-school-board-meeting-this-wednesday[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/schools-public-private/921855-florida-5-600-hillsborough-students-quarantined-due-to-covid-19-emergency-school-board-meeting-this-wednesdayTAMPA, Fla. - Thousands of students in Hillsborough County public schools are being quarantined due to exposure to COVID-19.

As of Monday, the school district said 5,599 students are either in isolation due to a positive case or in quarantine due to exposure. That's an increase of about 1,200 students from Friday when officials said 4,477 students had to be quarantined.

... Meanwhile, 316 school district employees are also quarantining, up from 289 on Friday.

DJ Maybe the schoolboard missed news on the pandemic ? Can't fix stupid-stupid kills !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921852-cidrap-us-covid-19-cases-back-to-pre-vaccination-levels[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921852-cidrap-us-covid-19-cases-back-to-pre-vaccination-levels ; For the first time since February, the United States reported more than 900,000 COVID-19 cases last week—with the country represented 20% of global cases—a sign the pandemic surge caused by the Delta (B1617.2) variant has stalled the progress made by an aggressive vaccine rollout that dampened cases this spring and summer.

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"There is a concern that the vaccine may start to wane in its effectiveness," Collins said. "And delta is a nasty one for us to try to deal with. The combination of those two means we may need boosters, maybe beginning first with health care providers, as well as people in nursing homes, and then gradually moving forward."
Collins also said any unvaccinated American was currently a "sitting duck" for the Delta variant.

DJ-The problem is not solved with booster vaccines...Delta has a R0 between 5 and 8 so vaccines AND NPI are needed ! "Politics" using vaccinations as an excuse for reopenings are simply doing a very bad job !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921851-cidrap-who-7-7-billion-needed-for-covid-variant-detection-oxygen[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921851-cidrap-who-7-7-billion-needed-for-covid-variant-detection-oxygen ; As many parts of the world battle the more transmissible Delta (B1617.2) variant, the World Health Organization (WHO) today said $7.7 billion is needed to track new variants and boost the supply of oxygen.
Meanwhile, countries such as Iran, Japan, and Australia expanded their COVID-19 measures to slow their latest COVID-19 surges.

World still in acute pandemic phase

In a statement, the WHO said the Delta variant’s transmissibility ramps up vaccination urgency and that rising infection rates are overwhelming health systems. The agency added that low testing levels, especially in low- and middle-income countries, is leaving the world blind to how the virus is evolving, leaving it vulnerable to new variants.

DJ If there is no profit in it for Big Pharma "there will be no serious investments"....Western thinking has gone of the rails...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921849-cidrap-young-kids-more-likely-than-older-kids-to-spread-covid-19-to-household[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921849-cidrap-young-kids-more-likely-than-older-kids-to-spread-covid-19-to-householdA Canadian study today in JAMA Pediatrics suggests that while younger children are less likely than older children to be the index COVID-19 patient in their home, they are more likely to spread it to household members.
Led by researchers from Public Health Ontario in Toronto, the study involved 6,280 households with COVID-19 index patients 17 years and younger from Jun 1 to Dec 31, 2020.
Of the 6,280 households, 1,717 (27.3%) experienced SARS-CoV-2 transmission to a median of two siblings or caregivers in the household 1 to 14 days after index patient diagnosis. Children aged 0 to 8 had higher odds of transmitting the virus, but those 3 years and younger had the greatest infectivity (odds ratio [OR], 1.43 vs those 14 to 17 years).
Similar odds were seen when restricting secondary cases to those occurring 2 to 14 days or 4 to 14 days after diagnosis of the index patient, regardless of symptoms or link to a school or childcare outbreak or reopening.
Consistent with increasing degrees of autonomy, proportions of index patients in each age-group rose with age, with 12% of those 0 to 3 years, 20% of those 4 to 8, 30% of those 9 to 13, and 38% of those 14 to 17. Mean COVID-19 index patient age was 10.7 years, and 45.6% were girls.

DJ Children have been almost ignored in this pandemic...one of many mistakes...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/avian-flu-diary/921834-cmaj-even-mild-covid-19-may-have-long-term-brain-impacts[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/internet-communication/avian-flu-diary/921834-cmaj-even-mild-covid-19-may-have-long-term-brain-impacts

Despite the relatively good news that somewhere between 98%-99% of those infected with COVID-19 survive their illness, we continue to see disturbing data suggesting that survivors often come away with lingering - sometimes permanent - sequelae.


Dubbed `Long COVID' or `Post-COVID Syndrome', these after-effects can range from mild or moderate - to disabling - and may potentially contribute to an early death months or years after the the initial infection.


Viral epidemics and pandemics have a long history of leaving behind poorly understood `post-pandemic' illnesses, often involving neurological manifestations. ME/CFS is an apparent post-viral syndromethat once ignored - isnow taken very seriously by the National Institute of Health.

DJ-Living with the virus shows utter stupidity...but seems to be the dominant thinking, ME/CFS in NL-and still a lot of other countries-is often seen as a mental disorder...If the "psychology-sector" can make money out of it no doubt they could go for "long Covid is mental" non-sense...money matters-science is to often ignored...

-Other news; 

[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ "Fred" is now bringing lots of rain in the SE-US, "Grace" is moving south of Cuba...proberbly going towards Mexico, "Henri"is going circles around Bermuda...Is this "normal weather"...NO..

USGS keeps reporting strong quakes in the South Atlantic...Lots of M5+ quakes in the South Sandwich Island region...faultlines linked to those following South America west coast up north...There has been an M8,1 quake in that region..but it did not get quiet...

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/afghanistan-chaos-pictures-increase-fallout-from-us-defeat.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/afghanistan-chaos-pictures-increase-fallout-from-us-defeat.html ;

The geopolitical consequences of the U.S. defeat will be felt for a long time. As Andrei Martyanov writes:

The world took notice and the United States handed the victory to Islamic fanatics and thus emboldened them, the same way the United States fanned the flames of Political Islam in 1980s and helped to form the force which is radically anti-civilizational in its essence.

This IS the main failure of the combined West and it will be, yet again, up to someone else to clean this fucking mess after the US, whose political and military "elites" not only did not learn shit from anything but are incapable of learning. In that, when combined with a myriad of other economic, scientific, cultural and moral failures, modern West, headed by the United States, declared itself a failure. Events in Kabul today demonstrate perfectly and are the epitome of the modern West.

I am much less concerned about the Taliban as a winning local resistance in Afghanistan than about the example their victory sets for more radical Islamists in other parts of the world.

DJ, The Kabul-crisis may be showing "governments totally disfunctional"....It is not only a US problem, Afghanistan was a NATO-disaster...on top of so many other disasters....

Yes-Biden is right...The US decission to pull out from Afghanistan was made by trump...But the total disaster of US pulling out-even fooling themselves there is an "Afghan government"-shows a total western faillure...

Music-two songs; It Aint What You Do, Its The way That You Do It...Fun Boy Three...[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_kjctTbMHA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_kjctTbMHA  AND 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLdZFCMx8Y[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLdZFCMx8Y Same group-The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylum...

DJ-How do you tell your boss (s)he has gone crazy without losing your job...




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DJ,

Some points; 

[url]https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/vaccinated-auckland-hospital-nurse-one-four-new-community-covid-19-cases[/url] or https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/vaccinated-auckland-hospital-nurse-one-four-new-community-covid-19-cases New Zealand may be dealing with a limited Delta variant outbreak. It may have started with an unvaccinated 58 y/o male (having difficulties registering for vaccination...Easy access to get vaccinated may result in more people getting vaccinated !).  Four other people-including a fully vaccinated nurse-also tested positive...This story is in Auckland that moved into a week of strict lockdown...the rest of New Zealand-for now-is in 3 day lockdown. The goal remains zero-Covid...

Sewage water did not show any viral parts-so spread in Auckland most likely was very limited. Still Delta may see 80%+ asymptomatic spread...is highly infectious. Australia, China are two other countries going for zero-Covid...with lots of restrictions but so far not getting spread under control. 

The "Living with the virus" alternative-in my opinion-means permanent pandemic. It is not clear to me what the "living with the virus" "strategy" is supposed to look like...Trying to keep the R0 under 1 ? Restrictions in regions where it gets above 1 ? How would that not end at total lockdown since variants will show up to be both more infectious (Delta=R0 5 to 8, new variants may have R0 of 12...) and evading vaccines, maybe even testing ? 

When this crisis worsens "China lab-escape stories" show up...Is it possible this pandemic escaped from a Wuhan high security lab ? Did they do studies on SARS-virusses, gain of functions ? What I understand the high security Wuhan lab-in cooperation with some US institutions (the study was done in China because the US did see it as high risk) did these kind of studies. 

However...we had SARS-1, MERS, proberbly a small SARS-like yunnan-miners outbreak, corona virusses are a major problem, very hard to control in (other) animals...So-with my very limited knowledge I would go for the pragmatic ! Try to get this pandemic under control !

This pandemic is like a global wildfire with embers now starting another spread in New Zealand. Maybe how this "fire"/pandemic started should for now not be priority #1 (allthough it is a very major issue !)..trying to get this pandemic under control has to be #1.

Vaccines are a major-but far from perfect-tool. Vaccines are leaking; they often protect against severe disease, but vaccinated people still may spread the virus. As far as I now did see there are several studies...some claim vaccinated and unvaccinated spread the same amount of viral parts...but vaccinated maybe for a shorter time. Other studies-as far as I know...indicate vaccinated people spreading maybe 50% viral load compared to unvaccinated...

Variants-and how much more viral spread they bring-may make these kind of studies even more complex. 

The general idea seems to be a high level of vaccinations (80/90% of all of the population) in combination with much restrictions (masks, work-from-home, limit on travel etc.) should stop the Delta variant...

A few countries may be around 70% fully vaccinated-often that statistic goes for 70% of 18 y/o+...(UK, NL, Israel and a few other countries are very good in level of vaccinations). But often these countries are not good in the restrictions part...

Worldwide proberbly tens of millions get vaccinated per day...Global we may have 20-25% of the population somehow vaccinated (often not fully vaccinated)...Maybe about 2 billion out of the 8 billion people on this planet. 

Variants spread (much) faster then vaccinations..in the sense that variants keep developing, evading vaccines. There is simply not enough (good) testing...We did see yesterday almost 650,000 new cases being reported ([url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ ) most likely 20 milion+ people getting vaccinated...Full vaccine protection however needs more then one vaccination...Looking at the numbers may give a false perspective..

The real number of people per day-worldwide-getting (re)infected must be in the millions...Vaccines seem to become less protective over time. Both vaccine and natural immunity may not be enough to stop variants long enough, strong enough...

DJ-I think that "living with the virus" will result in permanent pandemic. It is not a realistic option. 

Are (mandatory) vaccinations the answer ? At best they can be part of the answer. Stopping the spread should be #1. 

Vaccines are supposed to "stop the spread", but travel restrictions, lockdowns also "stop the spread"...a "global freeze"...For now-most of the world put the economy at #1...resulting in this pandemic getting worse. 

Better treatments may be on the way. If you-with medication-can limit the damage Covid can do-living with the virus may become more realistic. 

On the long run (SAGE) study indicate yes-Covid may get milder...but on the short term it is getting worse. 

End of part 1-just some thoughts...

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part two, DJ

-Numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Of the global 647,000+ cases the US reported 137,300+ cases...Iran 50,000+, Brazil 38,000+, India 35,000+ France at #5 with 28,000+ When you look at countries and numbers; global spread still high numbers ! This is summer ! Schools did not yet start in many places !

Deaths; Indonesia 1,180, Brazil 1,137, USA 873, Russia 805, Iran 625...There are doubts on numbers from many countries/States. Worldwide we had 9,935 deaths reported for tuesday august 17. A year ago cases were under 300,000 per day, deaths most between 6,000 and 7,000. 

Trends [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table Global cases +0,9%, deaths -0,8%...

US cases +12%, deaths +14%, UK cases +6%, deaths +4%...Israel cases +40%, deaths +75% (76 last week, 133 this week..)

Germany-with proberbly also good testing/reporting cases +61% deaths -13% (104 last week 91 this week...German population=84 million, Israel population 9,3 million). NL cases -8%, deaths -9%...

So is the "Delta-wave" over its peak ? I think that may be to optimistic ! Schools soon will start..younger people often much less vaccinated...We did have a bad, wet, cold summer in this part of the globe...so not a lot of vitamin D etc...

Maybe half of september we can say/see if the Delta-variant did peak...It would be very welcome if spread in the under 18 y/o could stay very limited...

-Flutrackers latest posts;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921925-texas-governor-greg-abbott-tests-positive-for-covid-19[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/921925-texas-governor-greg-abbott-tests-positive-for-covid-19 ; "Governor Greg Abbott today tested positive for the COVID-19 virus. The Governor has been testing daily, and today was the first positive test result. Governor Abbott is in constant communication with his staff, agency heads, and government officials to ensure that state government continues to operate smoothly and efficiently. The Governor will isolate in the Governor's Mansion and continue to test daily. Governor Abbott is receiving Regeneron's monoclonal antibody treatment.

"Governor Abbott is fully vaccinated against COVID-19, in good health, and currently experiencing no symptoms. Everyone that the Governor has been in close contact with today has been notified. Texas First Lady Cecilia Abbott tested negative."

DJ, BoJo, trump, bolsonaro, also once tested positive...it did not change their (lack of) strategy on this pandemic.

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921923-cidrap-white-house-to-recommend-3rd-covid-19-vaccine-dose[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921923-cidrap-white-house-to-recommend-3rd-covid-19-vaccine-dose ; Several media outlets are reporting that the White House intends to announce next week that recipients of both the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines should receive a third dose of vaccine 8 months after their second dose in order to boost protection against the Delta (B1617.2) variant.


The proposed third doses could be administered as soon as mid-September, sources told The New York Times, with nursing home residents and healthcare workers poised to get the first shots, followed by elderly Americans who were vaccinated last winter.


The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) will need to authorize additional shots, and guidance for Johnson & Johnson recipients will follow after that company releases results from a second-dose trial later this month. White House officials say people will be encouraged to get a third dose of whichever mRNA vaccine they first received.


Much of the decision has been based on Israel's experience. Israel was the first country to vaccinate a large swath of its population with the Pfizer vaccine in January. Ongoing studies show that antibodies, especially in older people, begin to wane after 6 to 8 months.
According to the latest data from Israel, the Pfizer vaccine is now only 55% effective for Israelis 65 and older who completed the two-dose vaccine regimen in January.


Late last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommended third doses of the mRNA vaccines for people with moderately to severely compromised immune systems, including cancer patients and those living with HIV.

DJ Vaccination strategy will mean booster vaccinations. With new variants there may come new vaccines more often for smaller groups ? My impression is China is going for long term mass vaccination-including booster vaccines. With lockdowns in regions where there are outbreaks...The China goal may be zero-Covid...but it may turn out to be a long road before they get there. 

In my opinion China may have a clear strategy in combination with means to make that strategy work; massive testing, massive vaccinations...1 billion people vaccinated in 3 months, Wuhan tested twice in a week...over 11 million people...

China may soon be exporting not only vaccines but also its strategy, including hospitals, staff...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921922-cidrap-first-local-covid-19-case-in-months-prompts-new-zealand-lockdown[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921922-cidrap-first-local-covid-19-case-in-months-prompts-new-zealand-lockdownPatient part of 5-case cluster

New Zealand's local case involves a 58-year-old Auckland man who hadn't yet been vaccinated and had no known links to the country's borders, according to the New Zealand Herald. His symptoms began yesterday, and he tested positive today.
Officials have identified 23 possible events where he could have passed the virus to others.
Today officials confirmed four more cases, all linked to the man. One involves a hospital staff member, and tests confirmed that the virus is the Delta variant.
New Zealand has won praise keeping its COVID-19 levels low with tough containment measures. Other countries that have kept cases low, including Vietnam and Australia, have also struggled to contain the more transmissible Delta variant.

DJ Going for "herd immunity" is no option...Still sad news !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/volcanos-earthquakes-glaciers-fires-hurricanes/921746-haiti-earthquake-%E2%80%93-huge-magnitude-7-quake-strikes-in-caribbean?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/volcanos-earthquakes-glaciers-fires-hurricanes/921746-haiti-earthquake-%E2%80%93-huge-magnitude-7-quake-strikes-in-caribbean?view=stream latest; Heavy rain from Tropical Storm Grace forced a temporary halt Tuesday to the Haitian government’s response to the deadly weekend earthquake, feeding the growing anger and frustration among thousands who were left homeless.

Grace battered southwestern Haiti, which was hit hardest by Saturday’s quake, and officials warned some areas could get 15 inches (38 centimeters) of rain before the storm moved on. Heavy rain also drenched the capital of Port-au-Prince.

The storm hit Haiti late Monday, the same day that the country’s Civil Protection Agency raised the death toll from the earthquake to 1,419 and the number of injured to 6,000, many of whom have had to wait for medical help lying outside in wilting heat.

DJ The number of people killed by the earthquake may be in the tens of thousends...Diseases will spread..a.o. corona but also fear of cholera restarting. 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/910938-spain-detects-american-minks-with-coronavirus-march-2021?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/910938-spain-detects-american-minks-with-coronavirus-march-2021?view=stream latest-another imported mink testing positive for Covid.

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/921897-build-environ-aerosols-from-speaking-can-linger-in-the-air-for-up-to-nine-hours[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/-2019-ncov-studies-research-academia/epidemiology/921897-build-environ-aerosols-from-speaking-can-linger-in-the-air-for-up-to-nine-hours ; Airborne transmission of respiratory diseases has been under intense spotlight in the context of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) where continued resurgence is linked to the relaxation of social interaction measures. To understand the role of speech aerosols in the spread of COVID-19 globally, the lifetime and size distribution of the aerosols are studied through a combination of light scattering observation and aerosol sampling.

 It was found that aerosols from speaking suspended in stagnant air for up to 9 h with a half-life of 87.2 min. The half-life of the aerosols declined with the increase in air change per hour from 28 to 40 min (1 h-1), 10-14 min (4 h-1), to 4-6 min (9 h-1). The speech aerosols in the size range of about 0.3-2 μm (after dehydration) witnessed the longest lifetime compared to larger aerosols (2-10 μm). 

These results suggest that speech aerosols have the potential to transmit respiratory viruses across long duration (hours), and long-distance (over social distance) through the airborne route. 

These findings are important for researchers and engineers to simulate the airborne dispersion of viruses in indoor environments and to design new ventilation systems in the future.

DJ Ventilation, limiting number of visitors, masks all are needed.

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/921876-j-autoimmun-evolutionary-analysis-of-the-delta-and-delta-plus-variants-of-the-sars-cov-2-viruses[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/921876-j-autoimmun-evolutionary-analysis-of-the-delta-and-delta-plus-variants-of-the-sars-cov-2-viruses ;

Abstract

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has been rapidly evolving in the form of new variants. 

At least eleven known variants have been reported. The objective of this study was to delineate the differences in the mutational profile of Delta and Delta Plus variants. 

High-quality sequences (n = 1756) of Delta (B.1.617.2) and Delta Plus (AY.1 or B.1.617.2.1) variants were used to determine the prevalence of mutations (≥20 %) in the entire SARS-CoV-2 genome, their co-existence, and change in prevalence over a period of time. 

Structural analysis was conducted to get insights into the impact of mutations on antibody binding. A Sankey diagram was generated using phylogenetic analysis coupled with sequence-acquisition dates to infer the migration of the Delta Plus variant and its presence in the United States. 

The Delta Plus variant had a significant number of high-prevalence mutations (≥20 %) than in the Delta variant. Signature mutations in Spike (G142D, A222V, and T95I) existed at a more significant percentage in the Delta Plus variant than the Delta variant. 

Three mutations in Spike (K417N, V70F, and W258L) were exclusively present in the Delta Plus variant. A new mutation was identified in ORF1a (A1146T), which was only present in the Delta Plus variant with ~58 % prevalence. 

Furthermore, five key mutations (T95I, A222V, G142D, R158G, and K417N) were significantly more prevalent in the Delta Plus than in the Delta variant. 

Structural analyses revealed that mutations alter the sidechain conformation to weaken the interactions with antibodies. Delta Plus, which first emerged in India, reached the United States through England and Japan, followed by its spread to more than 20 the United States. 

Based on the results presented here, it is clear that the Delta and Delta Plus variants have unique mutation profiles, and the Delta Plus variant is not just a simple addition of K417N to the Delta variant. Highly correlated mutations may have emerged to keep the structural integrity of the virus.

DJ Should "Delta+" be seen as a different variant ? (Maybe even be renamed ?) It is good more on its mutations are now known-so it may be better to sequence...

Delta+, Lambda, Colombia variants do show up in the news as possibly increasing...but the picture is not clear yet. Both testing and sequencing may be serious problems. Increased ad random testing could detect some variants may be spreading much more asymptomatic..missed when you only look at symptomatic spread. Variants with a high level of asymptomatic spread (in vaccinated) may become symptomatic spreaders later on...

-Video's; 

Dr. John Campbell on long Covid in vaccinated and viral spread via babies [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKqTU2G0AM[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKqTU2G0AM ; info/links under the video

also [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b98qMT-RWWo[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b98qMT-RWWo political issues.

ZOE [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeX9vdRQWvs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeX9vdRQWvs How Covid effects children. 

Of course there are also the twitter accounts with lots of info !

Music Hot Butter-Pop Corn (=dance) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfdLh0MHqKw[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfdLh0MHqKw 



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DJ, 

New Zealand now 21 Delta-cases all in Auckland Area...they hope to limit this outbreak to less then 50 cases. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/new-zealand-ad/922030-new-zealand-21-total-delta-variant-covid-19-cases-2-in-hospital-120-places-of-interest-august-19-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/new-zealand-ad/922030-new-zealand-21-total-delta-variant-covid-19-cases-2-in-hospital-120-places-of-interest-august-19-2021 

Vaccines offer less protection after 3 months (AZ/O=61%, Pfizer 75% I do not get if they mean against infection or against severe disease..) This should translate into more restrictions/NPI if the goal is to contain this pandemic. (UK study) [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921995-cidrap-studies-covid-vaccine-protection-waning-against-infection-but-not-hospitalization[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/921995-cidrap-studies-covid-vaccine-protection-waning-against-infection-but-not-hospitalization (Another US study)

Growing major worries about reopening schools...with no masks, social distance, vaccinations, often poor ventilation...DJ-If I had a child in that age maybe schoolyear 22/23 would be seeing that child...It is very-criminal-wrong to claim children will not be hurt by Delta...lots of countries are allready seeing massive number of children getting ill !

-Numbers/trends [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ August 18 did see almost 695,000 new global cases reported-US had 158,000+ of them...10,555 deaths being reported (this number x100 days would see over 1 million deaths + in just over 3 months...). Indonesia reported 1,128 deaths, USA reported 1,055.

US cases +11%, deaths +23%, UK cases/deaths +8%, NL cases -0,8% deaths -17% (Some NL statistics indicate cases going up in NL...). Israel cases +27%, deaths +62%

DJ Cases+ means more is needed to stop the spread...But schools soon will be reopening, less restrictions...and that will bring pandemic getting worse. 

-Flutrackers latests;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/922019-confronting-the-delta-variant-of-sars-cov-2-summer-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/922019-confronting-the-delta-variant-of-sars-cov-2-summer-2021

As of August 16, 2021, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that 168.7 million people have been fully vaccinated in the US, which represents 50.8% of the population and 59.4% of the vaccine-eligible population.1 However, there are large variations in vaccination rates by state, with a high of 76.9% in Vermont to a low of 44% in Alabama. Moreover, immunization rates have plateaued, largely due to a lack of focus on the various behavioral aspects of vaccine uptake, especially a new vaccine that would need to be given to virtually every eligible person in the US.


... Based on these and other data, on August 13, 2021, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) modified the current Emergency Use Authorization and the CDC now recommends administering a third dose of an mRNA vaccine to immunocompromised individuals 28 days after the second dose.7 Even though an estimated 10 million people in the US may be considered immunocompromised, this recommendation applies to only a small subset of them, including the following:

  • Active treatment for solid tumor and hematologic malignancies
  • Receipt of solid organ transplant and taking immunosuppressive therapy
  • Receipt of CAR T-cell or hematopoietic stem cell transplant (within 2 years of transplant or taking immunosuppressive therapy)
  • Moderate or severe primary immunodeficiency (eg, DiGeorge syndrome, Wiskott-Aldrich syndrome)
  • Advanced or untreated HIV infection
  • Active treatment with high-dose corticosteroids, alkylating agents, antimetabolites, transplant-related immunosuppressive drugs, cancer chemotherapeutic agents classified as severely immunosuppressive, TNF blockers, and other biologic agents that are immunosuppressive or immunomodulatory

DJ Some countries allready went for "booster vaccines"for limited groups (Israel a.o. did). It is NOT a choice between booster vaccines OR vaccinating countries/people we keep poor...we have to do both !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921998-80-of-south-africans-may-have-had-covid-19-discovery-says[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921998-80-of-south-africans-may-have-had-covid-19-discovery-says ; As many as four out of five South Africans may have contracted the coronavirus, indicating that the country may be one of the world’s hardest-hit nations by the disease, the chief actuary at Discovery said.

Emile Stipp based his calculations on the country’s case-fatality rate and excess deaths, a measure of the number of fatalities compared with an historical average. They are thought to provide a more accurate picture of the impact of the pandemic than the official toll.

“If we know the mortality rate of Covid, we can deduce the likely infection level,” Stipp said in an emailed response to questions.

The infection rate of between 70% and 80%, as estimated by Stipp, is high by global standards and could push South Africa close to so-called herd immunity, estimated at between 80% and 90% by the Infectious Diseases Society of America. Still, it’s possible that the delta variant of the virus could reinfect those who contracted other strains...

DJ SA trends cases +21%, deaths +10%..statistics went down a few weeks ago-but proberbly most because social unrest. (Haïti cases/deaths also will be going down...the earthquake may have destroyed a lot of testing facilities...so statistics look "good" but does not reflect reality..)

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/north-america-ab/north-america-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921989-doctors-in-cuba-slam-country-s-lack-of-supplies-during-covid-19-surge-in-rare-social-media-posts[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/north-america-ab/north-america-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/921989-doctors-in-cuba-slam-country-s-lack-of-supplies-during-covid-19-surge-in-rare-social-media-postsSeveral doctors in Cuba have taken to social media to decry shortages of medicine, oxygen and other materials needed to battle a dire COVID-19 outbreak, in a rare public denunciation of conditions in the island's hallowed healthcare system.

The outcry comes in reaction to comments by government officials that the doctors say scapegoat medics for the country's worsening plight while downplaying precarious conditions pre-dating the current crisis.

DJ In the past Cuba "exported healthcare"...Cuba has been working with Iran, Russia on vaccines. 

[url]https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-reportedly-set-to-offer-covid-boosters-to-all-starting-next-month/[/url] or https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-reportedly-set-to-offer-covid-boosters-to-all-starting-next-month/

Israel will reportedly expand its COVID vaccine booster program to all Israelis 12 years and older starting next month, significantly expanding a program that has already seen over 1 million people over the age of 50 or immunocompromised receive a third dose of the shot.

Early data from the booster shot campaign has reportedly shown promising results, with some health officials predicting that re-upping the vaccine across the population will tamp down on a major surge in infections wracking the country.

DJ Ending this pandemic with a.o. vaccines will need more then "just" two vaccinations. 

-Dr. John Campbell on booster vaccines [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuZzaVKmOs4[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuZzaVKmOs4 

Twitters

work in progress (I may have to check twitter-links !) 

To end with a positive note; My impression is a lot of work is on its way to improve treatments, get better, easier, testing, less invasive ways of vaccinations. Vaccines do still offer protection ! Avoiding/limiting exposue further decrease infection risk/pandemic. 

Music-[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYyV4f7ohE8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYyV4f7ohE8 Love Affair-Rainbow Valley at NL TopPop broadcast 1-1-1968 ; Machine guns for the girl dancers made no sense, but it was quirky!

DJ Six girls waving machine guns in this clip...crazy, pretty shocking, ...still good music ! Clip was made in Amsterdam near buildings-more often used for TopPop-clips-that were about to be pulled down. 


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DJ,

Let me start with "good news", the same points I closed my last "scenario's" with; Better treatment, testing/sequencing (likely combined...so a rapid test will not only tell if you have Covid but also some more indication on what variants...PCR-testing now looking at 3 segments of the RNA-Covid...In the Alfa/UK variant one of those three was missing-so there testing often give indication on Alfa/UK variant). 

Vaccines DO protect ! [url]https://www.timesofisrael.com/not-waiting-for-final-okay-clinics-rush-to-offer-covid-boosters-to-anyone-40/[/url] or https://www.timesofisrael.com/not-waiting-for-final-okay-clinics-rush-to-offer-covid-boosters-to-anyone-40/ Israel going for large scale third vaccination...Yesterday they started the 40+ y/o, teachers etc...ALL 12 y/o can get a third vaccination...because Israel numbers are high (5,116 new cases yesterday, 29 deaths...trends cases +27%, deaths +56%...These numbers indicate much more NPI/lockdown is needed.)

Easier testing and vaccinations (via a pill, nasal spray...no needles !) may be around the corner. Vaccine production-worldwide-proberbly going up fast. India proberbly still a main producer...China also did increase production...both countries do have such a large population export of vaccines may be limited for now. 

Now the bad news;

Politics;

[url]https://www.gelderlander.nl/binnenland/voorzitter-politievakbond-is-het-zat-als-we-niets-doen-loopt-het-compleet-uit-de-hand-in-nederland~aec82379/[/url] or https://www.gelderlander.nl/binnenland/voorzitter-politievakbond-is-het-zat-als-we-niets-doen-loopt-het-compleet-uit-de-hand-in-nederland~aec82379/ A link in Dutch; NL police trade union warning politics; Act now to prevent crime taking over NL...It is good news they sound the alarm; the bad news is politics is not listening..."Free market, open borders" means more room for crime..."Our" "liberal" party will not change that...it makes me wonder if crime has allready taken over the main NL political party...

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/they-knew-leaked-state-department-memo-warned-afghanistan-collapse[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/political/they-knew-leaked-state-department-memo-warned-afghanistan-collapse The US government was warned july 13 of the Afghan government collapse...France started evacuations in June...did make lists of who to evacuate in April !

Also in this pandemic politics seem to be unable to even get the basics done...In a crisis blame China is not solving anything...Coronavirusses were a well known problem...both for humans (SARS-1, MERS a.o. ) and in animals...

Still "experts/politics" were surprised by a pandemic  for wich they did get warnings for over a decade...

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/hurricane-headed-new-england[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/hurricane-headed-new-england YES "Henri" is moving towards New England...They idea of government is to act....

Is there a point in writing these daily updates ? Why do I do this ? First of all I wanted to know "what is happening, where are we going" -that is the reason I joined this forum...But also sharing info and ideas may help other people facing the same questions and doubts...Things can change fast...so trying to do daily updates makes some sense. Dr. John Campbell (he is much more an expert, I am not !-just trying to make sense...) doing allmost daily video's also may hint at developments/news worth noting on a daily basis...

-Numbers-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Highest numbers so far for new cases per day were on end of april this year-around 900,000 per day being reported-a lot from India-also a lot of under reporting...Highest number of deaths per day was mid January this year-Alfa-UK variant; 17,500 deaths per day reported..in April the real number of (India) deaths per day must have been in the hundreds of thousends-India just did not report them...

So yesterdays 723,000+ new cases, 10,948 deaths are "limited"...Global trend on reported numbers cases +1%, deaths -0,9% may even be seen as "promissing" if they had any relation with reality...[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table 

Cases; US +10%, UK +8%, NL +4%...Germany +62%, France -4%

Deaths; US +19%, UK +9%, NL -11%....Germany +6%, France +58% (last week 389, this week 616..population 65,4 million)

-Flutrackers latest posts; 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922127-nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-data-shows[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922127-nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-data-shows ; Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 article from Science that cited national data tracked by Israel's largest health management organization. The figures suggest breakthrough infections may be more common than the term implies, the report suggests.

Most of the vaccinated patients who were hospitalized, about 87 percent, were at least 60 years old.

"This is a very clear warning sign for the rest of the world," said Ran Balicer, CIO at Clalit Health Services, Israel's largest health maintenance organization. "If it can happen here, it can probably happen anywhere," he told Science...

DJ-Vaccine protection may last some months and in older/vulnarable people be more limited...Vaccinations will be part of the strategy to get out of this pandemic...but vaccines can not deal with Delta without NPI...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/canada/canada-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922123-nearly-100-000-canadian-health-care-workers-have-contracted-covid-19-this-year-alone-report-finds[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/canada/canada-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922123-nearly-100-000-canadian-health-care-workers-have-contracted-covid-19-this-year-alone-report-findsAs Canada braces for the fourth wave of the pandemic and some provinces are mandating vaccines for health-care workers, the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) says that nearly 100,000 people working in the field were diagnosed with COVID-19 in the first 5.5 months of the year.

The CIHI, an independent, not-for-profit organization that provides information on health care, released a report on Thursday detailing the impact COVID-19 has had on the health workforce from the beginning of the year through June 15.

It showed that the number of infections in health-care workers was 94,873, representing about seven per cent of the total cases in Canada. That compares to 19.4 per cent in July 2020...

DJ I do not know the number of HCW-ers in Canada...but this news underlines healthcare/hospital may reach breaking point when more agressive variants spread in HCW-ers...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/922121-decades-old-sars-virus-infection-triggers-potent-response-to-covid-vaccines[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/922121-decades-old-sars-virus-infection-triggers-potent-response-to-covid-vaccinesPeople who were infected almost two decades ago with the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) generate a powerful antibody response after being vaccinated against COVID-19. Their immune systems can fight off multiple SARS-CoV-2 variants, as well as related coronaviruses found in bats and pangolins.

The Singapore-based authors of a small study published today in The New England Journal of Medicine1 say the results offer hope that vaccines can be developed to protect against all new SARS-CoV-2 variants, as well as other coronaviruses that have the potential to cause future pandemics.

The study is a “proof of concept that a pan-coronavirus vaccine in humans is possible”, says David Martinez, a viral immunologist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. ...

DJ, A "Pan-Coronavirus vaccine" may be needed...top of the list !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/922119-navy-commander-warns-of-national-security-threat-from-mandatory-vaccination[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/922119-navy-commander-warns-of-national-security-threat-from-mandatory-vaccination

Furman’s key points are:

  • The average member of the U.S. military is young and in excellent physical fitness, two categories that are nearly immune to the dangers of COVID. So far, only 24 people out of 2.2 million military personnel have died of COVID-19, a rate of less than one per 91,000.
  • There is reason to believe severe or even fatal side-effects from existing COVID-19 vaccines are more common than reported, and could even prove deadlier to otherwise-healthy servicemen than COVID-19.
  • There is also the outlier possibility that mRNA vaccines (the kind used by the Moderna and Pfizer shots) may have unanticipated negative effects on the immune systems of recipients.
  • Currently, the U.S. military has proven completely capable of weathering COVID-19 without any loss of effectiveness, so forcibly making the entire service a test case for a novel type of vaccine is a pointless risk.

We invite readers to read CDR Furman’s entire paper below, made available exclusively to Revolver News

*The views and opinions expressed in this paper do not in any way represent the United States Navy or the Department of Defense. Commander Jay Furman is a career United States naval officer, naval aviator and foreign area officer with extensive experience advising senior military, diplomatic, and international organization leadership. The Commander has spent years serving throughout Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East at sea, ashore, and airborne. He holds a Master of Arts in Security Studies from the Naval Postgraduate School.

DJ; Good communications are needed ! Conflict is NOT needed ! Again-non mandatory vaccinations see I think in NL, Israel very high numbers of people willing to get vaccinated (80-90%+ for 12 y/o+...In health care often 95%+ is vaccinated without mandatory rules ! ).

It may be wiser to seek limits on social behavior. There may be no point in going for large scale vaccinations without limits to (air)travel, no NPI, masks, ventilation rules etc...Some experts claim 10 weeks-3 months of strict rules in combination with high level of vaccinations could bring the R0 to (as good as) 0 ! It is a matter of politics...choices...We are still in this pandemic because of wrong choices made by politics !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/india/india-pneumonia-respiratory-and-influenza-like-illnesses-ili/922090-41-households-in-delhi-report-flu-like-symptoms-survey[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/india/india-pneumonia-respiratory-and-influenza-like-illnesses-ili/922090-41-households-in-delhi-report-flu-like-symptoms-surveyAs many as 41 per cent of surveyed Delhi households say that they have one or more members who are currently down with flu-like symptoms.

The findings of the survey by Local Circles also indicate that 22 per cent of Delhi households are fully impacted with it, which means all members are having such symptoms while 19 per cent have only 1 member so far and it is likely that more members may develop symptoms in the days to come.

However, 59 per cent of citizens have indicated that they do not have anyone in their households with the flu-like symptoms, the survey said.

Many Delhi residents in the last 7 days have reported that one or more members in their family are struggling with Covid-like symptoms i.e. fever, runny nose, fatigue.

Many are also getting a RT-PCR test done only to find later post doctor consultation that they are Covid-negative and had gotten under the influence of some kind of viral infection or seasonal flu...

DJ So 41% of Delhi households are supposed NOT to have Covid but a form of flu for wich there is no testing...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922079-uk-fears-grow-of-winter-covid-surge-after-deaths-and-cases-accelerate[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922079-uk-fears-grow-of-winter-covid-surge-after-deaths-and-cases-accelerate'I'm very worried': Fears grow of winter COVID surge after deaths and cases accelerate
James Morris·Senior news reporter, Yahoo News UK
Thu., August 19, 2021, 6:25 a.m.·2 min read

A top coronavirus adviser has said he is “very worried” with infections once again on the increase.

Prof Peter Openshaw, a member of the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) which advises the government, warned “we just don’t really know what’s going to happen” as winter approaches.

It comes as 33,904 cases were reported on Wednesday, the highest in a day for nearly four weeks.

Case numbers, after dramatically dropping at the end of July, are once again on the rise, as this government chart indicates.

Furthermore, a further 170 and 111 deaths were recorded on Tuesday and Wednesday respectively.

The 170 figure was the highest since 12 March, when the after-effects of the UK’s second wave were still being felt.

Asked about the figures, Prof Openshaw told Times Radio on Thursday: “I think it’s very worrying. This is a very large number.

“If you think 34,000 people, that’s a lot of people testing positive, and to be seeing over 100 deaths a day at this stage… before schools have gone back, while the weather is still relatively good… we’re not back into winter yet.”...

DJ-Well-a look at statistics show an increase during winter...you may link that with the Alfa/UK variant...Delta is much more infectious, agressive...schools reopening, people returning from vacations...the main question proberbly has to be will Delta(+?) variants further explode and/or will another variant get even worse ? 

NOT opening schools, lockdowns, door-to-door testing are ways to limit such a scenario...but "we"are not doing that...so YES cases will explode !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/922161-front-public-health-covid-19-vaccination-acceptance-among-healthcare-workers-and-non-healthcare-workers-in-china-a-survey[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/vaccines-aa/922161-front-public-health-covid-19-vaccination-acceptance-among-healthcare-workers-and-non-healthcare-workers-in-china-a-survey ; A total of 2,580 respondents completed the questionnaire, including 1,329 healthcare workers and 1,251 non-healthcare workers. This study showed that 76.98% of healthcare workers accepted the COVID-19 vaccine, 18.28% workers were hesitant, and 4.74% workers were resistant. Among the non-healthcare workers, 56.19% workers received the COVID-19 vaccine, 37.57% workers were hesitant, and 6.24% workers were resistant.

DJ I expected there would be much more social pressure in China on vaccine acceptance..

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latest; Now we have an estimate of 3.6 million excess deaths in India in wave 2



if the wave in USA were similar as in India in April/May and

if there were as little natural immunity and vaccination as there was in India and

if NPIs were as in India , and if the agestructure of deaths were the same for India

and USA as it was in USA in previous waves and

if healthcare were the same as in India



then I calculate 2.54million deaths for USA in this wave.




USA has only 1/4 of India's population but people are older average and

thus more at risk to die from COVID..

So, that's the estimate if SARS2 had been delta in March 2020 with little NPIs,

as was planned until Ferguson came with his estimate on Mar 11.

We didn't really know in March 2020, how contagious it was.

DJ-Some realism...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/920558-us-surveillance-data-shows-white-tailed-deer-exposed-to-sars-cov-2?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/920558-us-surveillance-data-shows-white-tailed-deer-exposed-to-sars-cov-2?view=stream latest; Infection and transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and its alpha variant in pregnant white-tailed deer. 

Our results demonstrate that adult white-tailed deer are highly susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection and can transmit the virus through direct contact as well as vertically from doe to fetus. Additionally, we determined that the alpha VOC B.1.1.7 isolate of SARS-CoV-2 outcompetes the ancestral lineage A isolate in white-tailed deer, as demonstrated by the genome of the virus shed from nasal and oral cavities from principal infected and contact animals, and from virus present in tissues of principal infected deer, fetuses and contact animals...

DJ-Very bad sign ! Makes stopping the spread even more urgent ! 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922026-china-another-community-covid-19-case-in-august-a-vaccinated-hospital-nurse-with-no-travel-history-august-18-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-other-health-threats/china-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922026-china-another-community-covid-19-case-in-august-a-vaccinated-hospital-nurse-with-no-travel-history-august-18-2021 ; The nurse had not been to other provinces over the past two weeks or had any contact with other domestic epidemic-hit areas recently.

According to the local health authority, the patient has had two vaccine doses and before she was tested positive for COVID-19 on Wednesday she tested negative in all the nucleic acid tests she took once every three days since August 2.

more.. zhttps://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231870.shtml

DJ Asymptomatic spread-even with a very high level of testing (often several times...). Maybe the nurse had a bit less vaccine immunity...(vaccination not in right spot ?)...

I could include links to Dr. John Campbell and ZOE on YouTube but I think they offer limited info...retrospective...I try to look forward. 

Denial of all kind of problems is very popular-getting a lot of votes in elections...If there is no problem-there is no need for a solution ! (I did see Peak Prosperity title claiming the pandemic is over...It is not the way I see it !)

[url]https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1[/url] or https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1 Even asked by government NOT to warn against school reopenings because "she did not see the context"....

Music-Politicians/voters favorite song; Don't worry, be happy ! [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU Bobby McFerrin ... 

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KAMIAH - The Idaho Fish and Game is continuing to receive reports of dead deer in the Kamiah area. So far, approximately dead 250-300 whitetails have been reported. Through testing, Idaho Fish and Game wildlife staff have confirmed that the disease causing the deaths is a type of hemorrhagic disease (HD).

Additional tests are currently being conducted to determine the specific type of hemorrhagic disease. The results of those tests are still pending. Fish and Game staff will continue to provide updates as more information is available.

Due to the potential deer-to-deer transmission route, Fish and Game officials continue to encourage people to remove food and water sources that attract and congregate deer. They also encourage the reporting of any symptomatic (lethargic deer exhibiting respiratory distress) or the disposal of dead deer carcasses.

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Pixie-If deer do get this kind of disease and there is a link to Covid19 it would indicate the first major deadly spread of covid in non-human hosts in the wild on a larger scale. 

A very major worry;

Will it be able to spread to other animals (or did it but without symptoms)

Will it spread from animals back to humans in new variants ? 

I think it underlines to need to stop the spread ! It looks like vaccines do stop disease, not the spread. So further restrictions soon will return...when "the world" reopens after vacation...

It may be worthwile if there was more testing in pets...maybe even mandatory in households where there is infection in humans. 

Spread in/via non-human hosts would make this pandemic not only last longer-new, more, variants would most likely make this pandemic more deadly...

DJ, 

With hurricane Henri moving towards New York City/Boston area-making landfall tomorrow the US may face an extra crisis on top of this pandemic. Vaccinations in New England are the highest of the US...so pandemic wise damage may remain limited. Grace will today hit south part of Mexico-not very much populated but it will do damage. 

-Numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/  Global cases august 20 as far as reported 684,000+, US over 150,000 of them... Deaths global 10,253-US above a 1,000...Indonesia reporting 1,348 deaths (and 20,000+ new cases indicating very likely limited testing). 

Trends global cases -0,3% deaths -0,6%. Per "region" ;

Europe cases +2%, deaths +11%, 

North America cases +7%, deaths +18% (Canada cases +32%, deaths +107%  (44 to 91 deaths this week)

Asia both cases and deaths -3%, Japan, Philippines see very major increases

South America cases -10%, deaths -13% (French) Guyana/Suriname show strong increase, Brazil cases -0,5%, deaths -6%

Africa cases -6%, deaths -14% South Africa (winter !) cases +19%, deaths +3%,

Oceania cases +30%, deaths +43%, French Polynesia, Australia show increase in cases and deaths...

New Zealand in this list 54 new cases-may include cases stopped at the borders...

If you look at the numbers/spread is Covid more and more a "western disease" ? Most likely very limited testing is not giving enough data for most of the world-but limited testing has been there all of this pandemic...

-Flutrackers latests;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/india/india-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922221-india-gives-emergency-approval-for-world%E2%80%99s-first-covid-19-dna-jab[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/india/india-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922221-india-gives-emergency-approval-for-world%E2%80%99s-first-covid-19-dna-jab ; India’s drug regulator has granted emergency use approval for Zydus Cadila’s COVID-19 vaccine, the world’s first DNA shot against the coronavirus, in adults and children aged 12 years and above.

The approval gives a boost to India’s vaccination programme, which aims to inoculate all eligible adults by December, and will provide the first shot for those below 18, as the country still struggles to contain the virus spread in some states.

... The vaccine, ZyCoV-D, uses a section of genetic material from the virus that gives instructions as either DNA or RNA to make the specific protein that the immune system recognises and responds to.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...vid-19-dna-jab

DJ-Also links elsewhere on this forum. New vaccines-providing much wider protection to most known corona viral infections for much longer-may make a difference. I expect to see vaccinations soon in age group 5-12 y/o...maybe even younger. Delta is hitting young age as hard as other age groups. 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/922210-cidrap-new-strategies-could-boost-covid-19-vaccination-in-underserved[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/local-regional-communities-and-organizations/cidrap/922210-cidrap-new-strategies-could-boost-covid-19-vaccination-in-underservedRisk-based strategies and analytics-based phone outreach could help target marginalized and high-risk populations for COVID-19 vaccination, preventing infections and poor outcomes, two new studies suggest.

DJ You could make vaccinations mandatory but some groups simply will not show up even so. Better communications may see more people willing/able to get vaccinated (get the vaccine to the person sometimes may solve the transport problem !)

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-h5n1-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-h5n2-h10n8-outbreak-tracking/723926-flutrackers-h5n6-cumulative-case-list[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/china-h5n1-h5n8-h5n6-h5n3-h5n2-h10n8-outbreak-tracking/723926-flutrackers-h5n6-cumulative-case-list DJ-Flutrackers following H5N6 flu cases...a next pandemic ? 2016 did see 10 detected cases, 2021 now just put case #11...All of the listed cases were in China often clear bird link.

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/volcanos-earthquakes-glaciers-fires-hurricanes/921746-haiti-earthquake-%E2%80%93-huge-magnitude-7-quake-strikes-in-caribbean?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/earth-weather-astronomy-environment/volcanos-earthquakes-glaciers-fires-hurricanes/921746-haiti-earthquake-%E2%80%93-huge-magnitude-7-quake-strikes-in-caribbean?view=stream latest; Five days after a powerful earthquake killed at least 2,189 people in Haiti help is trickling in, but struggling people say they need it more quickly.

The poorest country in the Americas is in urgent need of medical, food and sanitation assistance, experts say.

Rescue crews are still digging through rubble in a search for survivors, as the stench of death fills the air.

"We are preparing for a public health disaster," says Nadesha Mijoba of the Haitian Health Foundation.

"The sanitation situation is quite critical... it is our hope that we don't have an outbreak of cholera," Ms Mijoba also warned BBC News.

DJ With increase of pressure on healthcare other diseases/Covid may spread.

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/922193-ca-in-los-angeles-breakthrough-infections-are-now-30-of-all-new-covid-cases-amid-delta-surge[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/922193-ca-in-los-angeles-breakthrough-infections-are-now-30-of-all-new-covid-cases-amid-delta-surge ; In March 2021, when Americans first began hearing about the Delta variant of Covid-19, breakthrough infections among fully-vaccinated Angelenos accounted for just 2% of that month’s case total. By June, when Delta accounted for 50% of all variants in Los Angeles, breakthrough infections among fully-vaccinated residents had risen to 20% of all identified cases. In late July, county officials reported that the Delta variant had overwhelmed all others, accounting for more than 90% of all positive tests analyzed for variants. As a result, the ratio of breakthrough cases increased to 30%, local health officials announced today.

-

Fully-vaccinated people represented only 5% of L.A.’s hospitalized Covid patients in April. By July, that number had risen to 13%. Overall, however, the percentages of vaccinated people who test positive, are hospitalized or die from Covid remain low — all less than 1%. Of the nearly 5.15 million fully-vaccinated county residents as of Tuesday, 27,331 have tested positive. That’s a rate of 0.53%. Only 742 were hospitalized, for a rate of 0.014%. Only 68 have died, which makes for a rate of 0.0013%.

Hospitalization numbers have been steadily rising for more than a month, but Ferrer noted today that between April and mid-August, roughly 25% of the Covid-positive patients in L.A. were actually hospitalized for a reason other than the coronavirus. Their infection was detected only during a routine admission screening...

DJ Vaccines DO protect against severe disease ! But protection may be less in older/vulnarable people and may decrease after months...see also [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922127-nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-data-shows[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/middle-east-aa/middle-east-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922127-nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-data-shows latest ; Now, the effects of waning immunity may be beginning to show in Israelis vaccinated in early winter; a preprint published last month by physician Tal Patalon and colleagues at KSM, the research arm of MHS, found that protection from COVID-19 infection during June and July dropped in proportion to the length of time since an individual was vaccinated. People vaccinated in January had a 2.26 times greater risk for a breakthrough infection than those vaccinated in April. (Potential confounders include the fact that the very oldest Israelis, with the weakest immune systems, were vaccinated first.)
...
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...t-defeat-delta

DJ Often oldest, most vulnarables did get vaccinated first. Sometimes they may end up in hospital testing positive for Covid but not ill because of Covid (yet)...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/pathological-findings/922252-sage-open-med-case-rep-longest-reported-case-of-symptomatic-covid-19-reporting-positive-for-over-230-days-in-an-immunocompromised-patient-in-the-united-states[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/pathological-findings/922252-sage-open-med-case-rep-longest-reported-case-of-symptomatic-covid-19-reporting-positive-for-over-230-days-in-an-immunocompromised-patient-in-the-united-states ; The average time from onset of symptoms to testing negative SARS-CoV-2 via reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction is roughly 25 days. 

In patients who continually test positive for COVID-19, it is essential to determine precisely which risk factors contribute to the increase in viral shedding duration. We present a case about a 62-year-old man who has persistently tested positive for COVID-19 for more than 230 days. 

We followed his treatment course, in which he had been hospitalized multiple times since the onset of symptoms back in April 2020. We have determined that patients with immunosuppression, especially those taking corticosteroids, are at increased risk of prolonged viral shedding.

 It is essential to continually monitor these immunocompromised patients as they required a greater time period in order to have an appropriate immune response in which antibodies are created.

DJ This man is shedding Covid-virus for 230 days, normal average is 25 days ? (I am NOT an expert !)

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/h7n9-research-studies-papers-academia/922235-science-rare-variant-mx1-alleles-increase-human-susceptibility-to-zoonotic-h7n9-influenza-virus[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/h7n9-research-studies-papers-academia/922235-science-rare-variant-mx1-alleles-increase-human-susceptibility-to-zoonotic-h7n9-influenza-virus ; Zoonotic avian influenza A virus (IAV) infections are rare. Sustained transmission of these IAVs between humans has not been observed, suggesting a role for host genes. We used whole-genome sequencing to compare avian IAV H7N9 patients with healthy controls and observed a strong association between H7N9 infection and rare, heterozygous single-nucleotide variants in the MX1 gene. MX1 codes for myxovirus resistance protein A (MxA), an interferon-induced antiviral guanosine triphosphatase known to control IAV infections in transgenic mice. Most of the MxA variants identified lost the ability to inhibit avian IAVs, including H7N9, in transfected human cell lines. Nearly all of the inactive MxA variants exerted a dominant-negative effect on the antiviral function of wild-type MxA, suggesting an MxA null phenotype in heterozygous carriers. Our study provides genetic evidence for a crucial role of the MX1-based antiviral defense in controlling zoonotic IAV infections in humans.

DJ Is this Mx1 in the host(defenses) or in the virus ? 

-A few video's on hurricanes In2thinair [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCXIjJLBjCc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCXIjJLBjCc  and BPEarthwatch [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD_44yH9zKc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD_44yH9zKc (both also not experts but doing a good job ! BPEarthwatch allready warning for a next storm in the models end of august)...Hurricanes will worsen this pandemic. Other point is "non-experts" sometimes may have been doing better then some of the experts in this pandemic. (Of course antropologists, medical historians etc. also are a form of experts). 

-[url]https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations[/url] or https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations 32,2% of global population now did get vaccinated once, 24,2% is fully vaccinated...Singapore, Uruguay may be above 70% fully vaccinated in these statistics...Some countries have 60%+ fully vaccinated (18y/o+) without this level of vaccination the picture would be much worse. 

Yes vaccines are not perfect in stopping the spread, but they may have had some effects...Both good (maybe it did stop infection-so viral spread=lower number of new infections) and bad (people feeling safe after vaccination taking more risks..)

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https://www.phillyvoice.com/pennsylvania-deer-test-positive-covid-19-antibodies-federal-study-usda/

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Pennsylvania deer test positive for COVID-19 antibodies in federal study

The study gives insight on how wildlife are impacted by COVID-19

Hannah KanikBY HANNAH KANIK

PhillyVoice Staff

 

 

NATURE Deer

Deer test positive for COVID-19 antibodies© ANDREW WEST/THE NEWS-PRESS VIA IMAGN CONTENT SERVICES, LLCA sample of Pennsylvania deer tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies in a federal study geared towards measuring the pandemic's impact on wildlife.

Afederal study found that some deer in Pennsylvania and across the eastern United States tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, meaning they likely were exposed to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.


The U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, which led the study, took a small sample of the deer population and tested them for COVID-19 antibodies to determine the impact of the virus on wildlife.


It found more than a third of the sample size had been exposed to the virus, but there is still a lot that is unknown.

The USDA also said it's unlikely that deer can spread the virus to humans.


"There is no evidence that animals, including deer, are playing a significant role in the spread of SARS-CoV-2 to people. Based on the available information, the risk of animals spreading COVID-19 to people is low," Gail Keirn from the USDA told PhillyVoice in an email.


The USDA collected 481 blood samples from deer between January 2020 and March 2021 from Pennsylvania, Illinois, Michigan and New York, and detected COVID-19 antibodies in 33% of those samples. 


Of the 119 samples taken in Pennsylvania, 31% of the samples tested positive for antibodies.



None of the deer tested in the study appeared to be ill. However, antibodies are the body's immune response to pathogens, meaning those that test positive for COVID-19 antibodies have likely been exposed to and fought off the virus.


If you look just at the data from 2021, Pennsylvania's percent positivity was 44%, Illinois was 7%, Michigan's was 67% and New York's was 31%. It found the cases were clustered, showing it spread within only certain counties.


Researchers say a lot is still unknown, and while the results show some white-tailed deer populations in the region were exposed to COVID-19, it "should not be extrapolated to represent the prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the deer populations as a whole."


This study has not yet been peer reviewed, and researchers say additional research is needed to determine how the virus is spread among the deer population, how they got infected in the first place and how it could impact communities.


"Studying the susceptibility of certain mammals, such as deer, to the SARS-CoV-2 virus helps to identify species that may serve as reservoirs or hosts for the virus," according to the USDA website. "It also helps us understand the origin of the virus and predict its impacts on wildlife and the risks of cross-species transmission."


They said they don't know how the deer were exposed to COVID-19, though it's possible they were exposed through people, the environment, other deer or another animal species.


Researchers also said there is no evidence that people can contract COVID-19 from preparing or eating meat from an animal infected with COVID-19. Hunters can get infected with several other diseases, though. 


While reports of animals getting infected with COVID-19 are relatively rare, it can still infect and cause symptoms in animals via human contact. 


Some high-risk animals at the Philadelphia Zoo were given doses of an experimental COVID-19 vaccine designed for animals. The zoo was one of several across the country that was chosen to give doses to some of its animals.

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DJ,

-Some points;

Deer do test-at several US locations-positive for Covid, also hemorrhagic problems show up in US deer...Covid19 does cause clotting problems...So-does Covid19 cause clotting problems in US deer ? Biologists, experts have to give that answer...

Does eating sick/dead Covid19+ deer spread the virus into those eating the infected deer ? (Could be human-if not preparing the deer good enough does this pose a risk ? A hunter may kill a deer and not know that deer has Covid19.)

The "good" part of the story is-it is in the news ! People look into it !

Again another point is me writing this scenario's is NOT to depress but to inform ! To get information, some good discussion, can help against depression ! I believe in honest communications, trying to limit "non-sense"...the best I can. Communication is one of the major things going wrong in this pandemic ! 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/08/21/thousands-people-protest-coronavirus-measures-event-sector[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/08/21/thousands-people-protest-coronavirus-measures-event-sector Here in NL over 80,000 people protested against restrictions on festivals. DJ-I agree with them on the point that football matches, a (royal-and prince bernhard jr. involved IS a big problem !) formula 1 race are allowed-but in NL festivals are not allowed...So people organize parties at other places or go to festivals in other countries...If I had a say in it there would not be matches, festival, racing...I think we have to go for "zero Covid" as the only way out...even if that would mean closing borders, severe travel restrictions for months...Australia, New Zealand, China can do it ! 

[url]https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD[/url] or https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD has a lot of info on zero-covid strategy. "Living with the virus=living with a worsening pandemic"! No economy can benefit from that ! It may take some time before politics/voters get that message...maybe another reason for me to keep doing "scenario's"! 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/08/21/experts-often-intimidated-public-appearance-including-colleagues[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/08/21/experts-often-intimidated-public-appearance-including-colleagues Also in the "climate debate" self-censorship, intimidation, defunding, terrorism is a growing problem. I keep my private life from this forum for safety reasons. I did see deadthreaths earlier in my live and I do not like that !

Political errors are widespread [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/britain-wants-a-rerun-of-the-war-on-afghanistan.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/britain-wants-a-rerun-of-the-war-on-afghanistan.html restarting a war that has been going on for decades is just one of them. (The taliban may be less extreme then saudi arabia, some IS sponsoring Gulf States sponsored by the west buying their oil...NATO is not in Afghanistan for "emancipating women", "building schools" NATO will try to regain some control to keep Russia-Iran-China out...

New York/US NE later today will face hurricane "Henri"...there will be flooding. We are in the middle of hurricane season. "Grace" I hope did stay south of Mexico City...[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ 

-Numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 

Weekend numbers tend to be lower then average for the week so 32,000+ UK cases is high ! Global trends indicate cases -2%, deaths -0,3% but North America has cases +3%, deaths +19%, Europe has cases +2%, deaths +11%...South America is claiming cases -7%, deaths -13%...

There are worries about the Lambda/Peru variant but Peru cases -4%, deaths +2%. Also a Colombia variant shows up in the news-Colombia cases -26%, deaths -29%...Brazil cases are going up +4%, deaths -6%...North of Brazil-Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname (former part of NL kingdom) see cases/deaths going up...but medical facilities in these countries are limited. 

-Flutrackers latest posts;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/922224-us-florida-orlando-winter-park-urges-reduced-water-usage-as-liquid-oxygen-used-to-purify-water-goes-to-covid-patients-august-20-2021[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/922224-us-florida-orlando-winter-park-urges-reduced-water-usage-as-liquid-oxygen-used-to-purify-water-goes-to-covid-patients-august-20-2021 ; The city of Orlando and its water utility made an urgent appeal Friday afternoon for residents to cut back sharply on water usage for weeks because of a pandemic-triggered shortage of liquid oxygen used to purify water.

If commercial and residential customers are unable to reduce water usage quickly and sufficiently, Orlando Utilities Commission may issue a system-wide alert for boiling water needed for drinking and cooking. Without reductions in water usage, a boil-water alert would come within a week, utility officials said.

Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer asked residents to immediately stop watering their lawns, washing their cars and using pressure washers. Landscape irrigation consumes about 40% of the water provided by OUC.

DJ Oxygen also has (lots of) other uses-maybe more strict rules "would be welcome". Let me put it in less friendly words...If you think watering the lawn, washing your car, using pressure washers is more important then saving lives maybe you should not be on the street...Cutting of public water supply for a few hours per day to maximize oxygen NOW ? 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-a-thru-h/childhood-diseases/measles/922282-finland-measles-case-exposes-up-to-150-people-at-turku-university-hospital[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-a-thru-h/childhood-diseases/measles/922282-finland-measles-case-exposes-up-to-150-people-at-turku-university-hospital ; Officials at Turku University Hospital (Tyks) report that a child with measles has potentially exposed up to 150 people in the facility.
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The child visited the hospital’s pediatric unit on Thursday–include the pediatric reception area on Thursday (8/19) between 12.15pm and 2.15pm as well as the Mäntymäen health clinic for infectious diseases on Wednesday (8/18) from 10am to noon.

Tyks said it would contact individuals it deemed at risk. Those concerned about a potential exposure can also call the hospital at 02 313 0263...

DJ If there were people with Covid19 measles showing up may be a deadly combination ! But also-with schools to reopen (yes it is insane ! it is criminal !)-a mix of "child diseases" with Covid variants "may bring surprises" ...Prepare for that ! 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/901004-ivermectin-a-useful-treatment-for-covid-19-coronavirus-some-discussion-and-studies?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/901004-ivermectin-a-useful-treatment-for-covid-19-coronavirus-some-discussion-and-studies?view=stream latest; "The Mississippi Poison Control Center has received increased calls due to livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin taken to prevent or treat COVID-19 infection. Animal drugs are highly concentrated for large animals and can be highly toxic in humans. Do NOT take drugs made for animals in any form," the Mississippi State Department of Health said on social media Friday.
...
"Ivermectin at high doses can be toxic and even deadly in really high concentrations in animal models," Dobbs said.
...
At least one person has been hospitalized because of ivermectin-related toxicity, Dobbs said.

"Please work with your doctor. This is medical treatment," Dobbs said. ... It can be dangerous to get the wrong doses of medication, especially for something that’s meant for a horse or a cow."

DJ-In general discussion this article was posted. If Ivermectin was that good it would have shown itself ! Big Pharma may be making more "cents then sense" but also would have found a way to make $$$$ out of Ivermectin ! NEVER use medical drugs without medical advice/back up !

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/australia-2019-ncov/922266-thousands-take-to-melbourne%E2%80%99s-streets-as-part-of-anti-lockdown-protest[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/australia-2019-ncov/922266-thousands-take-to-melbourne%E2%80%99s-streets-as-part-of-anti-lockdown-protest ; Thousands take to Melbourne’s streets as part of anti-lockdown protest
Several police officers have been taken to hospital, some with broken limbs and cuts to the neck, after wild scenes erupted in Melbourne as thousands of anti-lockdown protesters took to the streets in defiance of public health orders.

DJ [url]https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1[/url] or https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1 There are very good experts warning-trying to give good info...frustrated by "embedded media like the bbc" spreading non-sense on "living with the virus", theguardian (of what ?) asking is it better to get Covid then the vaccine....

In Dutch there is a saying "The shore has to stop the ship" (De wal moet het schip keren). By now bad politics, bad communications, bad informed majorities mean this pandemic-like climate change-will get worse..."Change what you can not accept and accept that what you can not change-and learn to see where the limits are"...In other words; "can't fix stupid"....

I limit my time on this pandemic-dive my into (online) history books ! Google-books also has very special old books...Live is balancing.

-Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20DxL8KhvgA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20DxL8KhvgA  ; Pandemic Optimism ; (from under the video)

Delta infections after two vaccine doses had similar peak levels of virus to those in unvaccinated people 

Two doses of either vaccine, same level of protection against infection as natural infection 

Natural infection followed by vaccination, even more protection than vaccination alone After four to five months, effectiveness of these two vaccines similar 

The time between doses does not affect effectiveness in preventing new infections 

Now Levels of immunity in the community Implications for vaccination in children 

Should we use virus or booster shots to top up immunity in adults? 

Prof Eleanor Riley, immunologist, University of Edinburgh ; We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year 

Prof Adam Finn, government vaccine adviser Over-vaccinating people when other parts of the world had none a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid 

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In the case of breakthrough infection or reinfection Asymptomatic, low levels of antibodies Symptomatic or ill, higher levels of antibodies 

Duration of immunity ;

Natural infection, no vaccination Antibody to the receptor binding domain, active RBD-specific memory B cells, active and relatively stable between 6 and 12 months after infection Vaccination further increases all components of the humoral response 

The data suggest that immunity in convalescent individuals will be very long lasting and that convalescent individuals who receive available mRNA vaccines will produce antibodies and memory B cells that should be protective against circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants. 

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Do children need vaccinating at all, or does a lifetime of ongoing exposures build a good immune defence?  

In children, argument had already been won 40-50% have already been infected and most weren't ill or particularly ill 

Prof Eleanor Riley, immunologist, University of Edinburgh Using vaccines to take the edge off Covid, followed by infection, to broaden the immune response 

We really need to consider, are we just frightening people rather than giving them the confidence to get on with their lives? We're close to just worrying people now.
DJ The picture Dr.J.C. presents is "living with the virus"-I totally disagree with that view. But some experts defend that idea. Other experts claim zero-Covid is the only strategy-I (DJ-non expert) agree with that view...

I did see some twitter-info on a baby just a few weeks old on ICU for Covid...and I hate that ! I think Dr.J.C. is-again-to optimistic. If there are "signs of hope" it may be in better treatment, vaccines, strategies...NOT "living with the virus will bring herd-immunity with limited damage because of vaccines"...

But who am I ...

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I saw an article about the measles in Turku (that is at the hospital my has recently had x-rays at).  In the local news they stated that for measles the 'herd immunity' is having over 95% of children vaccinated.  

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The hemorrhagic disease in deer has been around for over a hundred years in the US and it's passed by midge bites between the deer. It's not thought that eating an infected deer will pass it on to humans but it's advised that you cook all venison thoroughly. 

It makes me wonder if Covid can spread between people from mosquito bites?

Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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I've googled it, and apparently not. 

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-06-25/column-california-mosquitoes

This is a relief as I'm a mosquito magnet.

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KiwiMum-thanks for that info on deer. There are still lots of other diseases widespread-causing all kind of symptoms...so symptoms that may look like possible related to Covid may have nothing to do with Covid...(I do not want to write non-sense; YES deer in the US test positive for Covid, YES there are blood disorders killing deer in the US but they may be unrelated untill proven otherwise !)

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Another point; [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-assange-described-decade-ago-how-endless-afghan-war-was-engineered-transnational[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-assange-described-decade-ago-how-endless-afghan-war-was-engineered-transnational If you invested 10,000$/€ in average US shares in 2001 it would now be worth over 61,000 $/€ - If you invested that money in war-shares it would be 97,000 $/€+...Was the Afghan War for profit of shareholders ? 

The Intercept‘s Jon Schwarz examined returns on stocks of the five biggest defense contractors: Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and General Dynamics.

Schwarz found that a $10,000 investment in stock evenly split across those five companies on the day in 2001 that then-President Georg W. Bush signed the authorization preceding the US invasion would be worth $97,295 this week, not adjusted for inflation, taxes, or fees.

DJ No doubt you can think of a Big Pharma "basket" of shares going up because of this pandemic...Making profit out of war, climate collapse, pandemics may not help solving those problems !

See also [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wikileaks-reviews-few-its-greatest-hits-leaks-afghanistan[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wikileaks-reviews-few-its-greatest-hits-leaks-afghanistanThe CIA attempted to blunt criticism of the US 'endless' occupation by creating propaganda that emphasized feminism for "targeted manipulation of public opinion"...

DJ (somehow techno-problem...) NATO fighting for womens rights, gay rights, children going to school, making this world a better place...NATO is "your favorite charity" if you believe this propaganda ! NATO still is in Afghanistan (and involved in fighting north of Kabul via "moderate rebels") to stop Russia-Iran-China getting better connected...

Dealing with this pandemic is NOT a global priority...

-Numbers-daily numbers limited because of the weekend-still UK over 32,000+ new cases ! That is a lot !!! Trends are confusing-UK cases +14%, deaths +9%...US cases -7%, deaths +14%...Israel cases +23%, deaths +29%...DJ-I think Israel may be a good indicator for where a lot of other western countries may find themselves next month...a few weeks ahead of most of us...

NL cases +5%, deaths +10% Germany cases +57%, deaths +14% a lot of German cases may be related with travel from NL...Schools will reopen today in some parts of Europe...within a few weeks all schools are supposed to have started...I expect a high number of children getting ill, spreading the virus further in the household-grand parents, care centers etc...this wave gets another (avoidable) boost !

New Zealand now has 107 cases...(worldometer still at 97...). There was hope they detected the first cases in time to stop the spread...Australia cases +78% last week 2,768-this week 4,925 deaths last week 17-this week 24 so +41%...

Statistics may give an insight on how this pandemic is developing...where cases are going up, deaths are going up...As far as I have info/time Delta is the main factor worldwide...

-Flutrackers;

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-us-issues-level-4-travel-advisory-do-not-travel-july-19-2021?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/918022-uk-covid-19-variant-delta-trend-us-issues-level-4-travel-advisory-do-not-travel-july-19-2021?view=stream latest DJ-Cases +13,5%, deaths +8,2% (within 28 days of positive test...real numbers are much higher), hospital admissions +6,6% testing going down ! -1,1%....

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/845505-us-cdc-covidview-2020-2021-not-offered-for-exactness-offered-for-trend-analysis-only?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/845505-us-cdc-covidview-2020-2021-not-offered-for-exactness-offered-for-trend-analysis-only?view=stream latest...lots of info...Delta (=B1.617.2)=86,1% Delta+/AY.3=12,3% (together 98,4%...Delta+ may be increasing a little bit...no doubt to little testing/sequencing may hide a lot of info ! Lambda may show up more in California...Dr.Been claimed a few weeks ago...so regional differences..sequencing taking to much time). 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922309-west-africa-covid-19-deaths-surge-amid-ebola-and-other-outbreaks[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/africa-ac/africa-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/922309-west-africa-covid-19-deaths-surge-amid-ebola-and-other-outbreaksWest Africa has recorded its highest number of COVID-19 deaths since the pandemic began as several countries grapple with outbreaks of cholera, Ebola Virus Disease and Marburg Virus Disease that threaten to further strain the already stretched emergency response capacity in the region.

COVID-19 fatalities in West Africa over the past four weeks increased by 193% from 348 in the previous four weeks to 1018 in the week ending on 15 August. Although the case fatality ratio, or the proportion of people diagnosed with the disease who have died, stands at 1.4%—below the continental average of 2.5%—it is higher than the previous two waves in the sub-region, a sign that health systems are feeling the strain of a heavy caseload. While new cases in West Africa have dropped this week, they were surging for eight consecutive weeks.

DJ Deaths could go up simply because hospital capacity, oxygen is running out...no more staff...The more diseases the greater the risk for all kind of bizarre mixes/new diseases...both in human and non-human-hosts...

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/922304-fully-vaccinated-oregon-woman-dies-1-day-after-covid-19-diagnosis-at-least-10-fully-vaccinated-people-died-of-covid-19-in-oregon-in-july[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/922304-fully-vaccinated-oregon-woman-dies-1-day-after-covid-19-diagnosis-at-least-10-fully-vaccinated-people-died-of-covid-19-in-oregon-in-july ; Across the state of Oregon, 55 people died of COVID-19 in July. At least 10 of those deaths involved people who were fully vaccinated against the virus.

Dr. Melissa Sutton, medical director for respiratory viral pathogens at Oregon Health Authority, said data from July showed that a higher percentage of vaccinated people died that month compared to previous months. However, she said it is too early to say whether it represents a new trend...

DJ This form of (mis)communication may send a signal "vaccines do not work"  while vaccines-for now-do a very good job in protecting against severe disease ! Without vaccines the number of people dying proberbly would be 20x higher with the same lack of restrictions ! 

To get out of this crisis you need BOTH !!!! Vaccines AND restrictions ! It is WRONG !!! to claim vaccines provide room for reopening (in Australia reopening at 70% vaccination...opening borders at 80% vaccination shows the government does NOT get the message !

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/covid-19-cases-rising-within-homeless-population[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/covid-19-cases-rising-within-homeless-population

“People experiencing homelessness are at high risk of severe COVID-19 disease due to underlying health conditions, age, or both,” Los Angeles County Director of Public Health Barbara Ferrer said in an Aug. 18 statement.

“As we partner with others to reach people experiencing homelessness that are not yet vaccinated, layering protection at programs serving this population is critical.”

DJ Of course ZeroHedge likes to call Covid CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus...not helping are real...

-No new video's [url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing Vaccines offer less protection due to both waning immunity over time AND Delta-variant better in evading immunity...

[url]https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD[/url] or https://twitter.com/GosiaGasperoPhD , [url]https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1[/url] or https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1 also (a.o.) with good info !

DJ; "Is there no hope ?"-There is no hope when you give up hope ! "Hopium" may be needed to get through crises ! "Enjoy the moment" a friendly word, a smile, sun shine...crazy dog trying to catch its tail...

Music ; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZS7PIqTw5g[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZS7PIqTw5g Safe In My Garden-Mamas & Papas...during the Vietnam War...


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Hi, Josh.  The hemorrhagic thing is nothing to do with the Covid.  The local news said they do not think that you can catch Covid from eating deer meat, but possibly from processing it, so of course they advise caution and a protocol when you dressing out/processing deer meat.  The local report also stated that the deer did not seem to be ill from Covid, they just were testing positive.

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ViQueen24-thanks for the info....Deer testing positive for Covid19 and deers with hemorrhagic issues may be totally unrelated ? (Also by region ?) Still interesting story to follow...

[url]https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/18/deer-tested-positive-covid-antibodies-usda-study/8188718002/[/url] or https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/18/deer-tested-positive-covid-antibodies-usda-study/8188718002/ ;

link to [url]https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/one_health/downloads/qa-covid-white-tailed-deer-study.pdf[/url] or https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/one_health/downloads/qa-covid-white-tailed-deer-study.pdf ; Results of the study indicate that certain white-tailed deer populations in Illinois, Michigan, New York, and Pennsylvania were exposed to SARS-CoV-2.

DJ Hemorrhagic fever in US deer was found [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epizootic_hemorrhagic_disease[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epizootic_hemorrhagic_disease ; It is an infectious, and sometimes fatal, virus that is characterized by extensive hemorrhages, and is found throughout the United States. Large-scale outbreaks in wild ruminants affect livestock and the production industry.[3] EHD has been found in some domestic ruminants and many species of deer including white-tailed deer, mule deer, and pronghorn antelope.[4] Seropositive black-tailed deer, fallow deer, red deer, wapiti, and roe deer have also been found, which essentially means that they were exposed to the disease at some time in the past, but may not be involved in transmission. Outbreaks of EHD have been reported in cattle, although it is rare for them to develop disease or die. Sheep may develop clinical signs; however, this is also rare.[2] EHD is often called bluetongue, but this is incorrect. Bluetongue virus is closely related to EHDV, and has similar clinical signs, but it is a different disease. Bluetongue is a serious disease in cattle, as well as other ruminants, and can have a significant effect on international trade. Testing at animal health laboratories is necessary to distinguish between the viruses that cause bluetongue and EHD.

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The distribution of EHD depends greatly on the distribution and abundance of the biting midge (Culicoides variipennis), the level of existing immunity in deer, and the genetic variations in susceptibility.[5] EHD is found in North America, Australia, Asia, and Africa. Seropositive animals have also been found in South America. It occurs most often in the southern United States, although its distribution is not uniform.[6] In the south, the disease is characterized as frequent and mild, whereas in the north, the disease is characterized as infrequent, severe, and capable of high mortality.[5] EHD can occur throughout Indiana. Outbreaks in Indiana of the disease can be characterized by both significant outbreaks that occur on a 5-10 year cycle that affect the entire state and smaller outbreaks that may only involve a few counties.

DJ....Does this rule out deer testing positive for Covid showing similar symptoms ? It has so far not been detected...That deer did not test positive for Covid outside the US may have to do with not testing deer...

Even more complicating [url]https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2021/07/articles/animals/other-animals/sars-cov-2-in-deer/[/url] or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2021/07/articles/animals/other-animals/sars-cov-2-in-deer/ ; The antibody testing only gives us a historical indication of previous exposure to the virus (or, potentially, a virus that induces similar antibodies that cross-react with the test).

DJ-It may even be a sort of "false positive" - testing reacting to a virus that may have enough in common with Covid19...but still be different (PCR-testing as far as I known-only looks at three segments of the 29,000+ in the Covid-viral RNA...-So deer testing positive for Covid would indicate-I think-sequencing ?). From this july 28 article;

Only 1/241 samples collected from deer before the COVID-19 pandemic began were positive. That was presumably a false positive result (no test is perfect, so typically we’d be quite happy with less than 1% false positives).  Less than 1% positive before the pandemic and 33% positive during the pandemic after would support true infection having occurred in these deer populations.

The number raises concerns for me.  The press release states that “the finding that wild white-tailed deer have been exposed to SARS-CoV-2 is not unexpected given that white-tailed deer are susceptible to the virus, are abundant in the United States, often come into close contact with people, and that, more than 114 million Americans are estimated to have been infected with COVID-19, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

  • All true, and good reasons to investigate exposure in deer populations. However, 33% is very high, given the limited direct contact between people and deer. Deer would have to be very susceptible and very effectively able to transmit the virus widely within the deer population for 33% to be infected.

It’s very interesting info, but more details are needed. It could be a game-changer, or a testing issue. That needs to be sorted out.  Regardless, it’s a good One Health study that’s needed to help understand the ecology of this virus and potential risks.

DJ The percentage-33%-is very high ! Yes deer come in contact with humans-but if that would result in such a high level of positive cases it would be very alarming !!! (So I tend to think tests may be false positives-no sequencing was done ? ...). The USDA-Aphis study was held in 2020-ended march 2021-so before Delta variant showed up...

Are there such studies in the UK, Europe, Asia, Africa ? If not why not ? 

From the USDA study; Scientists at APHIS’ National Wildlife Research Center used a commercially available SARS-CoV-2 antibody screening test known to be highly specific (accurate) for use in other species. However, it has not been validated on deer. To help reduce concerns that the commercial test may have detected antibodies to another virus (also known as cross-reacting), we also tested a subset of samples at APHIS’ National Veterinary Services Laboratories in Ames, IA, using a different test specific to SARS-CoV-2. Both analyses resulted in identical findings.

DJ So it looks like the USDA did their best to rule out false positives...

From the USDA on eating deer-meat; 

Is hunter-harvested game meat safe to eat?

There is no evidence that people can get COVID-19 by preparing or eating meat from an animal infected with SARS-CoV-2, including wild game meat hunted in the United States. However, hunters can get infected with many other diseases when processing or eating game. Hunters should always practice good hygiene when processing animals by following these food safety recommendations:

• Do not allow contact between wildlife and domestic animals, including pets and hunting dogs.

• Do not harvest animals that appear sick or are found dead.

etc. 

DJ...the press release was august 2021 (published july). 

[url]http://en.people.cn/n3/2021/0823/c90000-9886697.html[/url] or http://en.people.cn/n3/2021/0823/c90000-9886697.html from China; While the World Health Organization (WHO) is planning its next phase of COVID-19 origins study, China has made it clear that the next-phase study should be carried out in multiple places worldwide, including places outside China where samples of human and animal before the Wuhan outbreak were tested positive for COVID-19.

DJ From the USDA study; "We detected SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in only 1 of the 143 samples collected before January 2020 (pre-COVID-19 pandemic in people). The single sample was at the minimum threshold of detection and was likely a false positive. This low-level detection is well within the expected false positive rate of the test used."

Could it be Covid-19 started earlier in deer ? Could it be we may be looking at the wrong places for answers ? 

The "official" (western) story links Covid19 to Wuhan-China end of 2019...Bet there are some detections in (blood, sewage-samples) Europe from earlier in 2019...China claims the virus may have been imported...[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29508550/[/url] or https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29508550/Bovine coronavirus (BCoV) is a causative agent of respiratory and enteric diseases in cattle and calves. BCoV infection was also evident in captive wild ruminants. Recently, water deer are recognized as the most common wildlife to approach farmhouses and livestock barns in Korea. Therefore, we investigated 77 nasal swab samples from non-captive wild water deer (Hydropotes inermis) between November 2016 and September 2017 and identified three samples positive for coronavirus, indicating potential for respiratory shedding. The full genomic sequences of the water deer coronavirus were closely related to BCoV (>98%). Therefore, effective biosecurity system in bovine farms would be necessary to prevent contact between farm ruminants and free-ranging wild water deer.

DJ [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_deer[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_deerThe water deer (Hydropotes inermis) is a small deer superficially more similar to a musk deer than a true deer. Native to China and Korea, there are two subspecies: the Chinese water deer (Hydropotes inermis inermis) and the Korean water deer (Hydropotes inermis argyropus).

So I am finding more questions then answers...Science would excluded deers as starters of this pandemic-bovine coronavirus (maybe related to the "Russian Flu pandemic in 1890 ?) 

[url]https://sfamjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1751-7915.13889[/url] or https://sfamjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1751-7915.13889

Summary

Contemporary medical reports from Britain and Germany on patients suffering from a pandemic infection between 1889 and 1891, which was historically referred to as the Russian flu, share a number of characteristics with COVID-19. Most notable are aspects of multisystem affections comprising respiratory, gastrointestinal and neurological symptoms including loss of taste and smell perception; a protracted recovery resembling long covid and pathology observations of thrombosis in multiple organs, inflammation and rheumatic affections. As in COVID-19 and unlike in influenza, mortality was seen in elderly subjects while children were only weakly affected. Contemporary reports noted trans-species infection between pet animals or horses and humans, which would concur with a cross-infection by a broad host range bovine coronavirus dated by molecular clock arguments to an about 1890 cross-species infection event.

DJ (july 13-2021 publication). Just asking questions...

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