Who is DUMB Enough to Take A Cruise!

The Grand Princess...give me a break a 71 yr old man dies of the Covid19 and 2440 people who were exposed get off with 60 exposed people staying then 2440 new people get on again.  Who is dumb enough to get on a huge ship TODAY!  Sorry but I do not suffer stupid well!!!! 

One of my many sisters and her husband just went on a cruise to the Bahama's. She is not well now, is working from home this week, it might be just the crud, who knows.
Anyway, she was telling me that for the first time ever there are more cancellations in the cruise industry than reservations....and that you can go on a cruise really cheap now.
In fact, we are on a text chain that we all talk on daily, and she was actually trying to plan another cruise with us all. Um....nope!!
Besides, I have been on many cruises, since we have a Cruise line (Carnival) that leaves out of our town. The last one I took to Bermuda was so boring to me, I actually hung out in my room watching tv when we were out to sea, as I had had enough of shows, karaoke, eating and eating some more, etc. My roommate did the same.

To people going on cruises now...what's next...hiking in Syria?

QP

Technophobe wrote: Goodwill tours of Iran.

I just spit my breakfast all over my computer screen! Thanks alot! lolol 

BeachMama: I'm sending golden light to surround the scared lady and her husband, if she follows your instructions it might help a bit. You did good with that advice. :-) 

Pandemic wrote: Thing is, everyone is living in a relatively confined space on a ship, maybe thousands. I was reading that one family would loose 32, OOO or so because they wanted to cancel over the virus!!! https://www.newsweek.com/hawaii-family-lose-thousands-cancel-cruise-china-coronavirus-1485228

Yeah, cruise lines are taking a hard line on this.  We have friends who were going on an expensive cruise of the Orient, originating in Singapore, at the very beginning of this outbreak.  I was emphatic that they should cancel.  That cruise was $17,000 but the husband needed knee surgery, so they invoked their medical cause insurance and dodged the bullet. 

BTW, I love the jokes!!  Good-will tour of Iran, LOL!!  Hiking in Syria, same!!  

KiwiMum wrote:

Well if the trip cost them $30,000, then they are essentially saying they don't value their lives at figure. It's madness. Better to walk away and lose the money than risk it just because they've already paid.

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I would feel the same way — indeed, when it came down to it, my husband and I did. They canceled their trip to Greece, and even if we don’t get the money back through our insurance claim, we feel it’s worth the loss.

I don’t try to understand other people’s perception of money, though. Some truly do value it more than their lives.

Ive cancelled my trip to Berlin next Week. Though it was a cheap flight from UK, I will get the tax back. I would feel nervous now. Our regional airline, Flybe, went bust this Week. Bookings are down across the board. Its a bad situation!!. Cases in Europe are accelerating rapidly now and I expect the same here in UK.

Roni, I get it. I understand. No worries. I've swung from a bit of paranoia to "spit-the-devil-in-the-eye I can face anything" at times.  It's important to be prepared, and realistic as well. 

It's true, that from what you say, you may be unlikely to be severely affected. However, there are cases where even younger, very healthy people get into trouble and succumb. Not many understand how or why yet. 

It's your call. But aside from the health factor, the US government is discussing active intervention into the cruise industry to prevent breakouts like we've seen, as they are enormously damaging to containment efforts (the 3000 passengers of the recent Grand Princess trip (the one just before the one outside of SF right now)  spread across the US, Canada and the world).

I think the decision could be taken out of your hands next week with a suspension order/agreement/moratorium with industry agreement of cruises for some time (in return for subsidies/bailout). There is already legislation being discussed about this at the WH (also for the airline industry as well).

And even if cruises are still allowed (which I doubt), it's highly probable that if you are porting from a US port one person may be infected, and you may be stuck at sea far, far, longer than you intended. 

roni you have to do what you think is best.  Like me I am 70 with some co-morbid conditions so I am staying home.  Have a good time if you go!

Roni, I see your reasoning but Babycat made a good point about being stuck at sea for much longer than you have anticipated. Also bear in mind you might end up like the Diamond Princess and be stuck in your cabin for the duration plus an additional 14 days. Now if you've booked a presidential suite, then great but would you want to be stuck in an internal cabin all that time or even in an external one? You might find yourself on a floating prison where you don't get to enjoy any of the nearby facilities of the boat. 

As to getting it, there is the danger that if you do develop complications, you might not get the treatment you need, depending where you are in the world. 

And finally, 3 days ago the travel insurance companies announced they would not cover costs of coronavirus related events. You might want to check wiht your insurer as some of them are back dating it and it doesn't matter when you bought the policy, they still won't cover it.

New York State is setting up a temporary emergency travel insurance.  If you have to cancel for any reason, you will be refunded.  That's going to ease a LOT of people's minds.   

NCL is now allowing cancellations up to 48 hours before sailing - and all monies paid (including airfare if paid through cruise line) to be applied to a future cruise credit. (This also applies to previously purchased cruises.)

https://www.ncl.com/why-cruise-norwegian/book-with-confidence?intcmp=pro_hp_PEACEOFMIND 

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I could not agree more!

People first!  Money later - it is only worth persuing for the people it helps.

https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Mike-Pence-meeting-with-cruise-and-airline-CEOs-on-coronavirus

Roni you need to do what is best for your family.  But the CEO will be in the presidential suite on the boat with a private chef, and a butler I would bet.  Some even have their own private pool.  So him taking his family is a WHOLE lot different than you taking your family.  I know this is a hard decision but you need to see the facts not what the CEO who makes money off of you says.

Pence and the cruise industry CEOs can talk all they want about the importance of the American public to "keep on cruising" but the reality is people will vote with their wallets, no government intervention or talking points withstanding. 

The cruise industry is "dead", pardon my pun, until CV-19 is under control, I believe. Their time would be better spent on managing infection control such as mandatory pre-boarding testing, for example, and government bailout...boy, the government sure loves socialism when it comes to big business, don't it!

We'll see disaster after disaster played out otherwise. 

The Diamond Princess, the Grand Princess, The ....., The ....,, pretty soon, everyone will understand it probably isn't a good idea for a while...

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/08/cruise-lines-say-theyll-beef-up-screening-and-other-measures-to-fight-the-coronavirus/

Well that is a dumb response by the administration!  No one over the age of 60 should be on a ship!  Sorry the CEOs were worried about their pocket books.  It is now travel at your own risk and yes certain people out of over 60 will be fine but others will help fill hospitals on the coasts when they come off very ill.  

The administration is not paying attention to Italy!!!

All I can say about that bad information is... well that's one way to cut medicaid/medicare and social security...