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Dutch Josh
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Posted: May 20 2020 at 12:24am |
[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/05/20/mink-may-infected-farm-worker-coronavirus-agriculture-minister[/url] DJ; This could be a major (and very bad) development-the corona-virus did infect the minks from humans and then jumped back from a mink into a human. The infected minks may be a-symptomatic spreaders. "We"- the Dutch-somehow managed to get the largest [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_fever[/url] outbreak in the world. [url]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X14000535[/url]-related to goats. Also "we"had the largest [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legionella[/url] outbreak ever. [url]https://www.rivm.nl/en/legionnaires-disease-legionellosis[/url].. Of course the NL is the second largest exporter of agri-culture products in the world after the US-that comes with a price. It is reasonable to asume human-animal-human transfer of Covid19 did happen earlier-most likely in China. The easier inter-species-transfer the uncontrolable the outbreak gets...the virus than find a host (for viral reproduction) outside humans but still can jump to humans... |
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I started out saying, with absolute certainty, this was not a slate wiper. Now I am not so sure. Having an alternative host to act as a resevoir is one of the essentials for the viral extinction of a species. It is still unlikely, but should it mutate into a yet deadlier strain: "Goodbye everyone. It was nice knowing you." We (by we I mean everyone) need to stop fu*£ing about and do what New Zealand did. A truly lethal mutation is unlikely, but not impossible. The more people infected, the greater the risk. Captain Trips anyone? |
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Very interesting Josh. However the human race, as usual, has brought it on themselves. Greedy, money grabbing fashion freaks, all around the world, shipped the mink out of its native habitat, so they could farm it for its fur to make a coat, gloves etc. for some rich bitch they wanted to impress. This was followed by the actions of a bunch of ignorant town and city-dwelling morons that know absolutely nothing about nature, the countryside and the survival of species, who stole and released the mink from their disgusting owners. This allowed the mink to populate landmasses they would not normally otherwise inhabit. They decimated the wildlife and attacked the stock of small farmers like myself, even the small pets of some childred have been eaten. This caused hardship, business failures and heartbreak to many people. Native wildlife is really struggling with them. As far as slate wipers are concerned: we, the human race, are a hybrid of no less than seven different anthropoid mammal species. Over the last six million years, these beings have interbread and at the beginning of each of the ice ages, the weak hybrids died out. The same happened at the beginning of each time of global warming (yes there have been lots - this one is not unique). Modern man is composed of two main species, homo erectus and homo neanderthalensis, with tiny bits of all the others left in the gene pool. Ironically, we got our physique, height, facial features from erectus, but contrary to the beliefs of the general public, our mental capabilities (intelligence) came from the neanderthal. The problem now is, I (and most people) don't have sexual fantasies about orang-utan, chimps or gorillas. So if this virus wipes our current hybrid out - we are screwed! |
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Dutch Josh
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DJ-A side note, [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H7N7[/url] did jump from poultry to humans in NL. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H5N1[/url] does jump to humans-but not go H2H. The problem with this corona-virus is that it is full of-unwelcome-surprises. At a certain moment there were reports coming from China of people "throwing away" their pets-due to rumours of those pets spreading Covid19. Since an animal (just in proberbly over 50% of human cases) does not have to have any symptoms while infected with Covid19-and spreading the virus-this new host can remain undetected a long time. Certainly in countries with little/no healthcare or overburdened care I (DJ) think things may "get out of control". Most of the world has less care than "the rich countries" have. The new-major-outbreak in NE China could be related to cross-border contacts with Russia (eventhough the center in Russia +50% cases is Moscow) or spread via animals. The new lockdown for over a hundred milion Chinese is "very serious". China went very far in its NPI/lockdowns. Another question can be-do lockdowns push the virus from humans to animals ? The situation in Brazil is very worrisome-virus out of control in mega-cities. Also South Asia is a disaster out of control. The cyclone now destroying India/Bangla Desh has people refusing to evacuate out of fear for Covid19.... By the way Captain Trips =[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stand#Captain_Trips[/url] |
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EdwinSm,
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Can we get the Dutch to close all their mink farms? That would help the Finnish ones. Actually, the fur farmers here seem to be very worried by the news out of the Netherlands. Recently (last year) Finland blocked the export of live minks to China. A Chinese businessman had bought a Finnish mink (and silver fox etc) farm and was wanting to ship most of the animals to China. [BTW China is now/was one of the biggest buyers at the fur auctions]. The export was stopped on a technicality that the transport arranged was in contravention of EU standards for the transporting of live animals. Only a short delay was needed as the animals had to be shipped before the breeding season, and that was provided by local farmers blocking all roads to the mink farm. The businessman lost over 1 million Euros on this venture, as for some reason he was not able to take back and keep the animals so they all have to be put down. |
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Dutch Josh
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EdwinSM, maybe stop trading in furs ? I myself am "almost"a vegetarian. There is a strong relationship between (trade in) animals and health/pandemics. (To put some "politics" in this story-just wondering how this plays international-here we have a "[url]https://www.partyfortheanimals.com/?lang=en-US[/url]"-dealing with animals as if they are "goods", without feeling in my opinion is immoral [url]https://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/05/what-happened-to-empathy-horrific.html[/url] ; Around the world, millions upon millions of farm animals are being culled as the worlds food supply chain chokes. Before the coronavirus arrived, the abuse and killing of cattle, pigs, sheep and birds were happening each second of every minute of every day of every year. As the coronavirus continues to tighten its grip around the world the mass culling of animals is beginning to explode in the cruellest, cheapest of ways which include mass slow suffocation, buried alive, grinding or gassing and burning alive. [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/05/we-are-shafted-our-world-as-we-know-it.html[/url]; Pigs being used as compost....) One could start thinking Covid19 is an animals revenge ..... Mass-culling of male chicks is common practice in industrialised farming around the world. After being sexed, billions of the baby birds are killed shortly after birth - usually by grinding or gassing. Officials say this means about 45 million male chicks die every year in Germany alone. BBC |
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