a) his doctor Conley said that "he is not being given supplemental oxygen." I think it is very likely that Trump is now on a ventilator, which does not use supplemental oxygen but forces air into the lungs and supplements natural breathing.....he's likely unconscious right now.
b) he's being given dexamethasone, which is reserved for seriously ill patients. You are right, this is to counter-act the effect of the cytokine storm immune response. They only use this in emergencies, as it also can inhibit the beneficial immune response.
c) X-rays are said to be "as expected." Why not "normal?" I surmise that "as expected is double-speak for "as expected for someone slipping into COVID pneumonia, i.e. "ground glass opacities."
Be careful of disinformation. We are likely to see pre-prepared video clips of Trump saying he is fine etc. Trump is a TV veteran, he likely recorded an entire library of clips that can be shown to give the impression he is okay. Watch for it.
I'm not cheering for Trump to die, but he is responsible for over 200,000 US deaths at a rate of 1,000 per day right now. His life is in God's hands.
Proverbs 16:18
“Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”
On the basis of the preliminary report from the RECOVERY trial, the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) recommends using dexamethasone 6 mg per day for up to 10 days or until hospital discharge, whichever comes first, for the treatment of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients who are mechanically ventilated (AI) and in hospitalized patients who require supplemental oxygen but who are not mechanically ventilated (BI).
The Panel recommends against using dexamethasone for the treatment of COVID-19 in patients who do not require supplemental oxygen (AI).
If dexamethasone is not available, the Panel recommends using alternative glucocorticoids such as prednisone, methylprednisolone, or hydrocortisone (see Additional Considerations below for dosing recommendations)
You don't have a point you have a political position based upon nothing but personal speculation. Go ahead show me where anyone who is a professional is calling into question the survivability rates as presented by the CDC. If what you speculate were true it would be front and center on MSM. It's not wonder why LOL. Short of facts, long on opinion and speculation yet again witchy.
“Facts don't care about your feelings.” ― Ben Shapiro
So incredibly disgusted that our top leaders have been so reckless. Zero effort with masking and social distancing while mocking others who do. Inexcusable.
I'd like to add that I believe most members of this forum have a clear understanding of how far the CDC numbers are compromised by this administration.
Speculation not based in fact but rather based upon political rhetoric.
“Facts don't care about your feelings.” ― Ben Shapiro
The fact is Trump is receiving a plethora of experimental treatments that the rest of the population does not have access to. Granted, he is POTUS, but any bragging about how Covid is a powderpuff will ring hollow.
I'd like to add that I believe most members of this forum have a clear understanding of how far the CDC numbers are compromised by this administration.
Any speculation aside, Trump is coming into the critical period in the next two or three days. We won't know before then.
When you consider at least 2% of the population have comorbidity and are living on deaths door. The numbers are so low that Covid is a Powderpuff. EVEN THE GOVERNMENT NOW ADMIT IT.
Before Trump left the White House he was given remdesivir. Any ideas as to why that was given at the White House, rather than in the hospital?
I can think of a number of possible answers (such as trying to avoid the need to go to hospital [this would destroy some of the macho image of being healthy], or at least delay that as long as possible, or as it is an experimental treatment the hospital might not have administered it and Trump wanted it). but this is all wild speculation on my part so treat it as that.
The lack of honest information does seem to fuel speculation!
I am an infectious disease specialist with extensive medical training....I predict, here and now, that Trump is going to suffer a stroke initiated by SARS-CoV2. This virus has some nasty circulatory system effects and is implicated in causing strokes.
Watch for it. I think that is why they moved him to Walter Reed Hospital so quickly.
Be safe, Chuck
I'd be surprised if they didn't have him on Heparin or Warfarin or some other heavy duty blood thinner.
I was interested to learn they had him on melatonin. That's a new one on me. Any insight to that, Chuck?
Hell, I take melatonin! It is an over-the-counter sleep aid, works very well.
He might end up on a blood thinner, although I don't know that those are clinically indicated with COVID. He takes a low-dose aspirin (81 mg, I also take this) and statins (ditto). We both have similar metabolic syndrome conditions.
If he slides into a cytokine storm in his lungs & circulatory system, it will be hard to treat him. They are now using steroids (dexamethasone) and I've long advocated monoclonal antibodies like Enbrel, Humira etc. which reduce the cytokine storm by targeting tumor necrosis factors, interleukins and other immune substances.
The fact that they jumped right into experimental (not even approved) drugs is interesting. My guess is that he really received a lungful of virus by hanging around Hicks and others, and is now paying the price. I would not bet on his long-term survival - UK's Boris Johnson pulled through, but he is at least 20 years younger than Trump.
Given the CDC's COVID survivability rate for his age group which is 94.6%, you wouldn't bet on his long term survival? Interesting.
Nope. Don't know where you found your numbers, his risk of death is 5% to 10%, depending upon comorbidities, overall health and other factors. Of course, he's getting the BEST medical treatment in the world, but that cannot overcome what this virus does. There is anecdotal evidence that he has had TIA or mild strokes, and SARS-CoV2 is implicated in stroke risk.
My guess is that Trump was symptomatic quite longer than is being admitted - he minimized his condition (as many others in society do), and reports are that he was far sicker than has been generally reported. A fever of 103ºF in a man his age & with his co-morbidities is very serious.
After spending months denying the dangers of COVID-19, Trump is expressing an emotion aides have rarely seen: fear. On Friday, Trump grew visibly anxious as his fever spiked to103 fahrenheitand he was administered oxygen at the White House, according to three Republicans close to the White House. Two sources told me Trump experienced heart palpitations on Friday night—possible side effects of the experimental antibody treatment he received. Trump has wondered aloud if he could defeat the disease.
I am an infectious disease specialist with extensive medical training....I predict, here and now, that Trump is going to suffer a stroke initiated by SARS-CoV2. This virus has some nasty circulatory system effects and is implicated in causing strokes.
Watch for it. I think that is why they moved him to Walter Reed Hospital so quickly.
Be safe, Chuck
I'd be surprised if they didn't have him on Heparin or Warfarin or some other heavy duty blood thinner.
I was interested to learn they had him on melatonin. That's a new one on me. Any insight to that, Chuck?
Hell, I take melatonin! It is an over-the-counter sleep aid, works very well.
He might end up on a blood thinner, although I don't know that those are clinically indicated with COVID. He takes a low-dose aspirin (81 mg, I also take this) and statins (ditto). We both have similar metabolic syndrome conditions.
If he slides into a cytokine storm in his lungs & circulatory system, it will be hard to treat him. They are now using steroids (dexamethasone) and I've long advocated monoclonal antibodies like Enbrel, Humira etc. which reduce the cytokine storm by targeting tumor necrosis factors, interleukins and other immune substances.
The fact that they jumped right into experimental (not even approved) drugs is interesting. My guess is that he really received a lungful of virus by hanging around Hicks and others, and is now paying the price. I would not bet on his long-term survival - UK's Boris Johnson pulled through, but he is at least 20 years younger than Trump.
Given the CDC's COVID survivability rate for his age group which is 94.6%, you wouldn't bet on his long term survival? Interesting.
“Facts don't care about your feelings.” ― Ben Shapiro
I take melatonin (1.5mg) on those nights I have trouble sleeping too, Chuck.
I won't go as far as to say he won't pull through. But it is disconcerting that he's feeling better today. We've seen so many reports of patients seemingly getting better and suddenly turning critical. I think the next 48 to 72 hours will give us all the answer.
I am an infectious disease specialist with extensive medical training....I predict, here and now, that Trump is going to suffer a stroke initiated by SARS-CoV2. This virus has some nasty circulatory system effects and is implicated in causing strokes.
Watch for it. I think that is why they moved him to Walter Reed Hospital so quickly.
Be safe, Chuck
I'd be surprised if they didn't have him on Heparin or Warfarin or some other heavy duty blood thinner.
I was interested to learn they had him on melatonin. That's a new one on me. Any insight to that, Chuck?
Hell, I take melatonin! It is an over-the-counter sleep aid, works very well.
He might end up on a blood thinner, although I don't know that those are clinically indicated with COVID. He takes a low-dose aspirin (81 mg, I also take this) and statins (ditto). We both have similar metabolic syndrome conditions.
If he slides into a cytokine storm in his lungs & circulatory system, it will be hard to treat him. They are now using steroids (dexamethasone) and I've long advocated monoclonal antibodies like Enbrel, Humira etc. which reduce the cytokine storm by targeting tumor necrosis factors, interleukins and other immune substances.
The fact that they jumped right into experimental (not even approved) drugs is interesting. My guess is that he really received a lungful of virus by hanging around Hicks and others, and is now paying the price. I would not bet on his long-term survival - UK's Boris Johnson pulled through, but he is at least 20 years younger than Trump.
Trouble signs include fever, shortness of breath and fatigue. As the virus infection ramps up, his body may become overwhelmed - this would include a cytokine storm in his lung tissue, tiny blood clots causing stroke and heart problems, kidney failure and other effects.
It is telling that they immediately began slamming his body with unproven/experimental therapies (polyclonal antibodies and remdesivir). I think they assume that, due to his likely exposure history (especially to Hope Hicks) and age/comorbid status, he received a high viral load and will have an accelerated disease course.
I've read that his risk of death is 5% to 20%, which is considerable.
I'm sure he has co-morbidities that we are not aware of. Given his age, his known unhealthy diet, lack of exercise and obvious obesity, I suspect he has metabolic syndrome and is pre-diabetic, if not already diabetic. These are serious conditions that will affect his survival of Covid 19.
I do think it's odd that they are treating him as if he is already severely ill. I also think it must be a bit galling for Americans to see so much attention, resources and money being thrown at this man's illness when it's been denied to everyone else. And I concur with everyone above who has said karma's a bitch. What goes around comes around.
Trump is obviously trying to be like Putin and show no weakness. If he recovers from this I'm sure that we'll never know just how ill he was.
Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
One month before Election Day, with ballots already being cast, President Donald Trump is in a military hospital, where he will remain for days, being treated for Covid-19, a disease that’s particularly dangerous for people of his age and weight. His physician Saturday morning said he’s doing well and is fever free, but declined to say when precisely he was diagnosed, how long he expects him to be in the hospital. Asked if the president was ever on supplemental oxygen, he was evasive.
Then, minutes later, a “source familiar with the president’s health” told a White House pool reporter this: “The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery.”
The public is being given conflicting messages about the commander in chief’s health, fueling speculation and sowing confusion.
The timeline of information out of the White House seems suspect. If the reports coming out are true then in seems Trump did a lot of travelling and meeting people after he was diagnosed. That seem criminal to me.
"BBC Live News" wrote:
Sean Conley, the president’s physician, said Trump was diagnosed “72 hours ago” – which would be Wednesday morning. That’s before the president travelled to Minnesota for a campaign rally that night, before he flew to New Jersey for a fund-raiser on Thursday and more than 36 hours before the president revealed his coronavirus diagnosis to the world in a late-night tweet.
The timeline is further muddied by the revelation that the president was given an antiviral treatment sometime on Thursday – also before his announcement.
Conley tried to paint a positive picture of the president’s current medical condition, although he was evasive about whether Trump had ever been given oxygen to assist his breathing.
And then, just minutes after the press conference concluded, an official struck a very different tone, telling the gathered press “the president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care”.
on the oxygen question BBC also reports
Several US media are now reporting that President Trump was given oxygen at the White House before he left for hospital.
The New York Times quotes two people as saying that Trump had trouble breathing on Friday and "his oxygen level dropped", leading doctors to give him supplemental oxygen.
AP news agency is also reporting that he was given oxygen at the White House, quoting a source.
I think for right now, it's prophylactic, but it's hard to tell. I'm sure his doctors have thought of what Chuck has said and it could be they are trying all these treatments to see if they work, and if there are side effects. If no side effects, and if the Covid hasn't ramped up, they may send him home and continue treatment there. I believe he's supposed to be released in the next day or two. If he's not, that will tell a different story. The timeline is something we can't be sure of. Supposedly, he was asymptomatic as late as yesterday morning, but I read a report that his staffers felt he was a bit off as early as Wednesday, and he cut an appearance short at 75 minutes. I doubt we'll ever know the truth.
Thanks for that ViQueen! Better look up the dosage, ViQueen. I use melatonin when I have trouble sleeping but it's a tiny dose - 1.5mg.
But it's interesting to note doctors are treating him as a severely ill patient. The question is: Is he severely ill? Or are doctors trying to stave off severe illness? If the latter, is it an effective treatment? I know Resdemisvir is approved by the FDA for trials. Not proven.
This article summarizes the likely benefits of melatonin in the attenuation of COVID-19 based on its putative pathogenesis. The recent outbreak of COVID-19 has become a pandemic with tens of thousands of infected patients. Based on clinical features, pathology, the pathogenesis of acute respiratory disorder induced by either highly homogenous coronaviruses or other pathogens, the evidence suggests that excessive inflammation, oxidation, and an exaggerated immune response very likely contribute to COVID-19 pathology. This leads to a cytokine storm and subsequent progression to acute lung injury (ALI)/acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and often death. Melatonin, a well-known anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidative molecule, is protective against ALI/ARDS caused by viral and other pathogens. Melatonin is effective in critical care patients by reducing vessel permeability, anxiety, sedation use, and improving sleeping quality, which might also be beneficial for better clinical outcomes for COVID-19 patients. Notably, melatonin has a high safety profile. There is significant data showing that melatonin limits virus-related diseases and would also likely be beneficial in COVID-19 patients. Additional experiments and clinical studies are required to confirm this speculation.
Upon seeing that, I decided to add it to my arsenal.
I am an infectious disease specialist with extensive medical training....I predict, here and now, that Trump is going to suffer a stroke initiated by SARS-CoV2. This virus has some nasty circulatory system effects and is implicated in causing strokes.
Watch for it. I think that is why they moved him to Walter Reed Hospital so quickly.
Be safe, Chuck
I'd be surprised if they didn't have him on Heparin or Warfarin or some other heavy duty blood thinner.
I was interested to learn they had him on melatonin. That's a new one on me. Any insight to that, Chuck?
The BBC is reporting that the White House tried to hid the news of Trump going to hospital. I suspect that if there is bad news (ie the condition gets more serious) then the authorities will try to slow its release.
But at least he was able to walk to and from the helicopter.
News about the president's visit to the hospital leaked accidentally - by someone who sent an email before reading it.
Trouble signs include fever, shortness of breath and fatigue. As the virus infection ramps up, his body may become overwhelmed - this would include a cytokine storm in his lung tissue, tiny blood clots causing stroke and heart problems, kidney failure and other effects.
It is telling that they immediately began slamming his body with unproven/experimental therapies (polyclonal antibodies and remdesivir). I think they assume that, due to his likely exposure history (especially to Hope Hicks) and age/comorbid status, he received a high viral load and will have an accelerated disease course.
I've read that his risk of death is 5% to 20%, which is considerable.
I am an infectious disease specialist with extensive medical training....I predict, here and now, that Trump is going to suffer a stroke initiated by SARS-CoV2. This virus has some nasty circulatory system effects and is implicated in causing strokes.
Watch for it. I think that is why they moved him to Walter Reed Hospital so quickly.
I believe in Karma, but I also know that bad things happen to good people. I also would never ever wish death or pain on anyone even my worst enemies. But again I do believe in Karma. I do hope that they fully recover, but I also hope they learn a lesson. One can hope!!
If any one has forgotten this is the man through his total lack of concern 207,000 souls have passed needlessly,how many desperate people seeking medical assistance was sent home,only told to come back when you can’t breathe and cyanotic or worst die at home. He does not deserve the over the top care he is receiving,Donnie, karma is a bitch,get to the back of the line!
Pro tip bigger font doesn't make it true. So go ahead and cite articles, studies where all these people are being turned away from treatment and dying. They are not. The hospitals are not overwhelmed. In fact if you are uninsured the US government picks up the cost of treatment and care for COVID.
WASHINGTON — Uninsured Americans will be able to seek coronavirus treatment for free, with the federal government agreeing to cover hospitals’ expenses, President Trump announced Friday.
The provision will be covered by a $100 billion fund for healthcare providers that was part of a historic enormous $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus package passed by Congress last month.
If any one has forgotten this is the man through his total lack of concern 207,000 souls have passed needlessly,how many desperate people seeking medical assistance was sent home,only told to come back when you can’t breathe and cyanotic or worst die at home. He does not deserve the over the top care he is receiving,Donnie, karma is a bitch,get to the back of the line!
Meadows: President Trump has 'mild symptoms' after COVID diagnosis
White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows told reporters on October 2, 2020, that "The President and the First Lady tested positive for COVID-19. They remain in good spirits. The President does have mild symptoms."BY C-SPAN
WASHINGTON
President Donald Trump is being transported to Walter Reed Hospital in Maryland “for the next few days” after being diagnosed with the coronavirus, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said on Friday evening.
Ever since receiving a positive COVID-19 test result in the early hours of the morning, Trump has been recovering in the residence on the second floor of the presidential mansion. He began taking treatments today, according to a memo from the White House physician released by the press office.
“President Trump remains in good spirits, has mild symptoms, and has been working throughout the day,” McEnany said in a statement. “Out of an abundance of caution, and at the recommendation of his physician and medical experts, the President will be working from the presidential offices at Walter Reed for the next few days. President Trump appreciates the outpouring of support for both he and the First Lady.”
The drugs include an experimental antibody cocktail produced by Regeneron, which has shown promise in reducing the viral load in positive coronavirus patients and alleviating their symptoms, as well as zinc, vitamin D, famotidine, melatonin and aspirin.
“He’s tired,” one source familiar with the matter told McClatchy. Trump has also developed a cough and a fever — two common symptoms of the coronavirus — according to media reports, and in the memo released by the White House, Trump’s physician Sean Conley described him as “fatigued but in good spirits.”
WHITE HOUSE SHAKEN
A White House that has for weeks been drifting away from established public health guidelines to control the spread of the coronavirus was shocked into action in the early hours of Friday morning by Trump’s diagnosis.
Several senior staff members decided on their own not to report for work in-person, and those who did show up began wearing masks in the tight quarters of the West Wing, where face coverings were mandatory only for a brief period last May after one of the first positive cases was identified in the building.
The news that the president and first lady Melania Trump were positive for COVID-19 – a disease that could hobble the first couple for weeks, just one month out from Election Day – was followed by a confirmation of several positive cases among individuals who have visited the White House or met with Trump over the past week.
The first lady “remains well with only a mild cough and headache,” the White House physician wrote.
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Contact tracers at the White House are now mapping out who infected individuals interacted with in recent days.Over months of study, scientists have reached a consensus that the disease could have an incubation period between two and 14 days after an individual has been infected.
While Trump has only mild symptoms for now, and first learned of his diagnosis early Friday morning, his staff is already acknowledging that the president is in several high risk categories, and may on the advice of his White House physician consider therapeutic drugs that could stave off a more seriousinfection.
The president, 74, is clinically overweight and has taken medicine to manage his cholesterol levels. Men and the elderly also face greater odds of serious cases or death from the coronavirus.
On average, individuals who get severe cases experience worsening health between five and 10 days from the onset of symptoms. Trump reportedly began feeling symptoms on Wednesday.
Before the president’s physician released an update, another White House official noted that Trump’s has previouslyexpressed a willingness to take Remdesivir, one of the few drugs that has a proven ability of lessening the severity of the disease in later stages. Trump this spring said he had taken hydroxychloroquine — a drug that the FDA has advised Americans not to take to treat the coronavirus — in the hopes that it would help him stave off infection.
Trump canceled a planned trip to Florida on Friday as well as all additional foreseeable travel, and had Vice President Mike Pence fill in for him on a call regarding COVID-19 support to vulnerable seniors.
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany told reporters that Trump was still working the phones during recovery, calling Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., after his diagnosis.
Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff, would not speculate what types of therapies the president might consider now that he is battling the virus.
“He continues to be not only in good spirits but very energetic,” Meadows said.
“I’m not going to get into any particular treatment that he may or may not have. He has mild symptoms,” Meadows told reporters. “The doctors continue to monitor both his health and the health of the first lady.”
President Donald Trump, center, is seen seated inside Marine One helicopter, not wearing a face mask, as he and members of his staff, including White House director of social media Dan Scavino, left, arrive at the White House in Washington, Oct. 1, 2020. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster) CAROLYN KASTERAP
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