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Moldavia: 17 People Die of Bird Flu? |
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DarlMan
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Posted: January 20 2006 at 6:13pm |
Bird flue is raging in the Orkhei Region in Moldavia. ------------------------------------------------ Here is the link: http://inforos.com/?id=10444 Can't confirm beyond this article --Added-------------------------------------- This is disturbing - seems to point to massive problems in old Soviet block http://news.monstersandcritics.com/...c tors_corrupt Edited by DarlMan |
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200 and 17 dead. That is a darn good coverup, but it is what we
have seen ever since this stuff got started. Country after
country has covered up any reporting, made up stories about other
illnesses (Dengue, Typhoid, Yellow Fever, Encephelitis.... Anything But
Bird Flu - ABBF)
Is the WHO behind this? |
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phyrefly
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If confirmed, it corresponds to 1889 influenza pandemic and the Ob River flyway. Orkei (Orhei) and its proximity to Dubasari Reservoir (about 20 km) can be compared to Raniyah which is located near Dokan Reservoir (about 8 km).
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TRANSLATION OF MOLDAVIA STORY: I found the website for the Russian language newspaper, "The New Dniestrian Courier" ( link to the article: http://www.courier-pmr.narod.ru/w3_5.htm )   ; I found the article you mentioned, Darl, and used a free online web translator ( http://translation2.paralink.com/to ) to try to see what the article is saying. This article was posted on their website on January 18. The translation is terrible, but here it is, folks. (The question marks replace Russian characters that were proper names.) I think you can get the gist of it. Bear with it to the end: "The bird's flu on a secret" In opinion of experts from independent ???, the information analytical center of Republic Moldova, epidemic of the bird's flu on right I protect Dnestr tends to expansion. By the bird's flu are amazed not only the central areas of republic, but also the south of the country. Now in ??? in hospitals Chadyr-Lungi and ???, already there are infected people which exact quantity is specified. Doctors to give any comments categorically refuse, speaking that preventions from employees ??? have received, forbidding to open the facts on a problem of the bird's flu. In opinion of experts of the Center, on the south of Moldova the virus could get from Turkey as tens thousand inhabitants of ??? of an autonomy are compelled to leave for earnings in this country. Many of them, coming back home, already were carriers of a virus. The information on the bird's flu in Moldova acts from numerous sources that testifies to a reality of an event. Unfortunately, authorities RM refuse to open the facts of disease by this virus dangerous to the person. Most likely, Moldova is afraid to appear behind a sanitary cordon, but thus it at all does not excite, that epidemic can extend in ??? and Ukraine. As transfers Romanian news agency " Media-fax ", the deputy minister of an agriculture and food-processing industry, Anatol Spivachenko, has declared on Thursday in the Romanian city of Pjatra-Njamts, that the Republic Moldova is not ready to revealing and acceptance of concrete measures on localization of the bird's flu. As informs a portal " Russia and compatriots, " referring to the Moldavian sources, in area Orhejskom of Moldova for today it is already registered about 200 cases of infection of people by a virus of the bird's flu. The quantity of victims already has made not less than 17 person. Officials of Moldova to make comments on an event refuse. |
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http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/md.html map, kinda nice to know where it's located
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Basically, I think it's saying (my synopsis): "The Bird Flu's Being Keep Secret": In the opinion of experts, the bird flu is expanding in Moldavia. The bird flu is apparently not only in the central but the south area of the country. There are already infected people in hospitals, but doctors catagorically refuse to comment, saying they are forbidden to give the facts on the bird flu problem. They speculate that people, working in Turkey out of need to earn money, are bringing the virus back with them. They report that numerous sources testify to the reality of this event. Unfortunately, authorities refuse to give the facts. They believe that Moldova is afraid it would be quarantined. They quote a Romanian official as declaring Thursday that Moldovia is not ready to reveal and accept the measures needed to localize the bird flu. Thye conclude by reporting that Moldavian sources say the area of Orhejskom has registered 200 people infected by the virus, with not less than 17 deaths. Moldovian officials refuse to comment.
What do you think? Could this outbreak be for real? |
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OH YEAH IT CAN BE FOR REAL! Is it? Who knows. Do I believe it is? I would score it a resounding MAYBE. All countries fear what will happen to their piteous economies if they are known to have an active avian influenza running amuck. Turkey is right to grouse...they are trying to be honest and open and suffering all the economic consequences of that while their neighbors remain silent and continue to get a free pass. |
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I believe it is for real after reading your machine translation. Misinformation is all we have seen from country after country. Initially we suspected that it was solely for economic reasons (tourism, sales of exports...), but now it is so pervasive that one has to wonder if it is being orchestrated from above. Government after government is doing the same thing, so the coverup at least appears to be directed from above the small country level. I suspect that the WHO is somehow involved in this. If so, the only logic that would apply to a world wide coverup is to prevent a world wide PANIC. If you let it spread and keep the public ignorant you can at some time admit that it is everywhere so you will not have people try to flee one country for another. Look at what has been going on in Latin America. Two months ago Columbia admitted to having H9N2 Bird Flu after all neighboring countries catigated them about a coverup of massive bird deaths in that country. When Columbia finally admitted it, they claimed that it was H9N2 Low Pathogenic (LP) Avian Influenza; yet, Spanish language newspaper reports were of a large number of bird deaths in that country as it swept eastward from the west coast port cities (brought in by cargo ship?). The government of Columbia claimed only a few isolated bird deaths. Not to worry. When the illness finally swept eastward enough to enter Venezuela, (Hugo Chavez had placed the Army on the border days before.) there were initial reports (Xinhua) of large bird die offs in that country, but NOT ONE additional story from the local papers. Hummmm? Since that die off there have been reports of large bird die offs in Guyana, Trinidad and Panama and Costa Rica where many of the animals in a national park animal preserve died off at the same time. Panama also had cattle, pig and monkey deaths reported. If it is LP, why all the dead animals? Peru reported the death of hundreds of Indians in a remote village area. Initially reports from missionaries were that the illness had been tested and that it was definitely NOT Yellow Fever. The government stepped in and officially claimed that it WAS Yellow Fever. I don't know what to believe, but do know that I am suspicious of the quick governmental denial. Note that there have been no followup news stories from Panama and Costa Rica. There appears to be a news blackout from Columbia to Venezuela to Panama to Costa Rica. Odd things keep on happening elsewhere. There have been weird outbreaks of foot and mouth disease that do not fit with the normal description of the disease in Brazil. Reports of disease in Caribbean islands that look suspicious but have official governmental explanations.Mexico claims that they are fighting an H5N2 bird flu outbreak coming north along the border with Guatemala. Guatemala claims that it is a Mexican problem. Who is lying and by how much? Could they be misidentifying the illness altogether? Edited by JoeNeubarth |
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The Moldavian report does not inform the reader of chicken-swine connection that crosses borders. Panama has a relationship to this. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/acarology Even though the 1889 pandemic occurred prior to the enlightening transition of bacteriology to virology, it may have been a mistake to exclude it from the speculations. |
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Passer montanus has been following steamers up the Ohio River since 1870. Passer montanus is a proven vector of H5N1 in Asia. Passer montanus infected with H5N1 shows no symptoms and does not die. |
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Phyrefly, be honest, are you related to Dr. Niman? LOL
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Starting from the Olduvai Gorge, perhaps. Like Niman, I haven't been a monkey for about four years now. |
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I can understand China's lying by omission, they have 1.3 billion people, what's a few hundred lives to them? They don't believe that life has meaning, being atheistic,materialism reigns supreme,why not continue to trade until they stop coming?
But what has stunned me is that our major news stations have kept us in the dark. I have heard the "wayward whale story" ad nauseum,...."9" times actually, bird flu news "0." What's with that? Mary Kay |
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Because of the number of Chinese population 'I truth, lie,' can here mean less of an unconcern for human rights than it is does pure mechanics. Panic + a large population + SARS, HIV-1, AI, etc. = Russian roulette with multiple pistols, simultaneously. 1500 years ago, when Pagans accused Christians of atheism, recalls a long human history of name-calling. The Japanese (also called the Fisher-Folk) at one time were Able to walk across the water from China to Japan. This would look very strange at first, almost magical. Yezo Island? Is there some connection? Ancient sky-charts show asterism Jizu in the constellation Lupus, meaning in Chinese 'a group of soldiers.' Shucks, don't mind me. It's just that I've got a 'hang-up' about Ti Tsang, the Chinese christ, who, as the story goes, saved little children from the underworld.
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I have noticed that not only is there a lack of reporting but it has varyed greatly between uk terestrial tv and european Hotbird news stations. Most noticibly between Terestrial BBC News 24 and BBC World on Hotbird, effectivly the same company. Is it Possible our local goverments are censoring our News?? Never not in the western World . |
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Southern, IIRC the UK actually has a policy in place that news can/will be censored for "the good of the people/good of the Country." The US doesn't, it's more of a "Pretty Please" or arm twisting depending on the circumstances. As to Westminster Willie vs BF...people were actively interested in the whale, it was a great rescue attempt. Increases viewership. BF is one big yawn as far as the masses are concerned. Decreases viewership. Our news channels are a commercial enterprise, they respond to what their viewers want. Hoping that will change after Tuesday afternoon! |
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If anybody sees any stories out of Central America, please alert us.
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Now the government and media are going to use Oprah. The ultimate truth peddler. Worshiped by many. She has stocks and stands to lose just as much. Can't wait till they hire Dr. Phil...."So how long have you been having these dreams about being chased by a chicken?" Anyone seen Richard Simmons lately? Time for our antivirus work outs. |
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