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wayfinder
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From the research I've carried out disposable respirators (face masks) as best as the idea is that you carefully throw them away after use which reduces the risk of cross contamination. For those living in the EU FFP2 grade may be sufficient however FFP3 offers better filtration of virus particles. For those based in the USA, N95 and N99 are the equivalents (with the N99 being the better of the 2 as per the EU's FFP3 grade). I don't much about the N100 as mentioned further up in this fourum.
I keep up to date on this subject here: http://www.swineflunewsportal.com/swine-flu-masks.asp
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According to the Book, How to Beat the Bird Flu by Mike Adams, you want airtight facemasks, non electric heat source, cell phone, LED flashlight, Candles, AM/FM wind up powered radio, bicycle, warm clothing, sleeping bags (below zero preferrable) toilet paper, soap, shampoo, toothpaste, tissue paper, paper towels, canned foods, can opener, pure water, water bags, water barrels, food grade hydrogen peroxide, hand powered water pump, non electric water filters, camping stove to boil water. Also Antiviral whole foods, berries particularly blueberries, garlic (most important), cruciferous vegetables, ****ake mushrooms, aloe vera (nutritional and first aid use) onions (second most important), ginger, spirulina. Antiviral vitamins and minerals: Vitamin E, A, C, Selenium and Zinc. Antiviral herbs: Echinacea, Astragalus, St John's Wart, Licorice, Lemon Balm, Green Tea, Grapefruit seed extract, olive leaves, mint leaves, calendula, cat's claw or Una De Galo. Antiviral Products: ViraShield, Super ViraGon (tincture; most important), Illumination (tincture), Protector 2000 (capsules), Sambucol (syrup), Elderberry, Agaricus, Echinacea Plus, ****ake Mushroom Supreme, Hawaiian Spirulina, Astaxanthin, Colloidal Silver (only to be used as a last resort)
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The best childrens masks on the market IMHO are the Kimberley Clark PFR -95 Fluid Shield in small. They fit children from 2 years up.
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In general section I posted article on homemade mask from cdc.
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The Northern Safety Company has a good variety of respirators.
See the small N-95's. they won't fit infants but should be OK for kids.
For protection regardless of size, see PAPR's
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HWHPrep the CIDRAP said there are no approved childrens masks or respirators. I just do not know anything about Kimberly Clark, just wanted to point out what I had found.
The report notes that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has cleared many face masks, though none specifically for use by children. Also, the FDA recently cleared the first respirators intended for use by the public during a public health emergency such as a pandemic, it says. However, there are no respirators designed for children. |
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Kimberly Clark makes a childs mask. It isn't N-100 but it's better than nothing.
Just a reminder, respiratory protection is only part of the
personal protective equipment to avoid exposure.
Avoidance is the best plan to prevent infection of human avian influenza.
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Does anyone know where to get young childrens' masks?
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If you get a full or half face respirator you might as well get N100 filter cartridges. You can get them just about anywhere for name brand masks - I've seen them on the shelves at Home Depot. I have a full face 3M respirator which I can use if I think I need complete protection. It looks like something out of "Outbreak", but nothing reaches you. The number of hours they can be used is usually printed on the box somewhere. I seem to remember seeing 40 hours on the ones I bought. Mine are N100/acid gas cartridges so it may be different for straight N100 filters. Bought mine a while back so I could watch top fuel dragsters start up in the pits from a few feet away - I don't even smell the nitro when I'm wearing it, so I know viruses aren't getting past it
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I have some questions about masks:
What about surplus military gas masks?
If you get the current NATO filters with a foreign gas mask will that protect you?
How long would the filter last?
what about full face or 1/2 face respirators from the industrial side?
What filters to buy?
How long will the filters last?
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Home Made reuseable Mask Protection
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I don't know Web Ferret. Perhaps the materials, stitching, glues break down after a period of time. Even elastic will deteriorate in that amount of time. Annie
[Disposable P2 Valved Respirator EN149:2001 FFP2Comfortable valved respirator protects against fine non toxic and low to average toxicity dusts, fibres, solid and liquid aerosols. Exhalation valve reduces the build up of heat and moisture inside the mask and helps improve wearer acceptance. Contoured fit, lightweight, low breathing resistance. Latest standard EN149:2001 FFP2. Supplied in box's of 10 masks.
Single use respirators for use against solid and liquid aerosols are classified according to one of 3 categories: FFP1: Protection against non-toxic solid and liquid aerosols up to 4.5 x O.E.L. (Occupational Exposure Limit), or 4 x APF (Assigned Protection Factor). FFP2: Protection against non-toxic and low-to-average toxicity solid and liquid aerosols in concentrations up to 12 x O.E.L., or 10 x APF. FFP3: Protection against non-toxic, low-to-average toxicity and high toxicity a solid and liquid aerosols (e.g. oil mists) in concentrations up to 50 x O.E.L., or 20 x APF. You should conduct a risk assessment to decide on the level of protection required, and this is dependant on the contaminant concentration.
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I noticed today that the FDA has approved too mask for wearing during a pandemic. Both are 3M products No. 8612 and 8670. That all the information that was posted.
Has any one thought about a reusable or homemade mask? If the news travels fast the current supply of mask will not last long and you could be with out any available. It would be nice to see a mask that will work to the N-95 level but is home made.
Another question is what about military gas masks and commercial masks are they usable?
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Do not use bleach water on clothing and skin. You want to use the same thing the military uses. Plain old Lysol is the best there is for decontamination. Their special chemical and bio warfare people use it in a hand spray that is used on gloves, gas-masks, and clothing during decontamination. It is mixed with water at a 50% solution.
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Just "bumping" this to see if anyone knows the answer to this. |
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Just "bumping" this to see if anyone knows an answer to my mask expiry date question.
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I do not understand how a mask could go off beyonds its use by date. If it gets damp then maybe but if stored in a cool dark place in its original airtight wrapping. I note that my FFP2 stash has a 5yr "best before" date but does anyone know why???
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http://www.xodigo.com/h5n1/facemask.htm
Found this really easy to read and understand top web site ....
Stockpiling of FFP masks is only possible to a certain extent because of their limited shelf-life of 3 years (see above). Surgical masks do not have a limited shelf-life. Although many federal governments will stockpile a certain number of masks, Healthy members of the general population will be expected to obtain their own surgical masks
Family Planning:FACE MASKSFace masks come in various types based on efficiency. Following are general facts about face masks, types of masks, classifications, recommendations, about face masks and the influenza virus, stockpiling information and the sources. Here are some key issues about face masks followed by more technical information.The spread of viruses can be restricted by using face masks as the SARS experience proved. There are several types of faces masks on the market but the shelf-life of masks and or filters is limited. There are three categories of effectiveness which are listed below. Please note:
Types of MasksThere are several types of face masks available which offer various levels of protection. The simplest way of protecting against droplet-borne germs is to use surgical masks. These can reduce the spread of germs in the exhaled air of sick people. The type of mask attached to the wearer’s head by an elastic head band is recommended since it is easy to use and stays in place well. Only surgical masks (or those with an elastic band) of type II, or, if possible type IIR (the letter R indicates greater splash resistance) which comply with national standards are recommended. Surgical masks become soaked with moisture after about 2 to 3 hours, which causes them to lose their efficacy. ClassificationsIn the USA, N-95 and N-99 filter masks offer a greater degree of protection. The European standard is EN149. Masks come in three classes, FFP1, FFP2 and FFP3. RecommendationsDuring the SARS epidemic there was some evidence that FFP masks and surgical masks may have been of benefit. The WHO (World Health Organization) does not state that wearing face masks in public is an effective way of protecting the population against infection and thus preventing the spread of the pandemic; however, the organization leaves it to each country to decide whether or not to take this approach. The Influenza VirusThe influenza virus is transmitted primarily by droplets. It may also spread by hand-to-face contact if a non-infected person touches a person or surface contaminated with infected droplets. It is not certain whether the virus can be spread in the air. Since the potential pandemic virus and its mode of transmission are not yet known, the possibility that it can spread in the air (aerosol-borne) cannot be excluded. The reader’s attention is drawn explicitly to the fact these recommendations are based only on the preliminary findings currently available. Further research is required to provide evidence-based support for the recommendations. The recommendations issued by the WHO and national health organization will be adapted to reflect as accurately as possible current knowledge of the virus’s mode of transmission. Masks should have a bacterial filtration efficiency (BFE) of ≥ 92%, breathing resistance < 5.0 mm water/cm2 and splash resistance ≥ 120 mm Hg. (Total leakage from the masks is generally around the same as FFP1 masks.) Stockpiling Face MasksStockpiling of FFP masks is only possible to a certain extent because of their limited shelf-life of 3 years (see above). Surgical masks do not have a limited shelf-life. Although many federal governments will stockpile a certain number of masks, Healthy members of the general population will be expected to obtain their own surgical masks. References
Poll results: Our Quick Poll for January 07 asked "Would you were a face mask?" (in the event of an outbreak) Next: » Pandemics, history and current facts Related Articles: |
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Cheapest place for masks in the UK is www.toolstation.com Next Day delivery to UK is free for orders over £40. The valved ones are a little more expensive but will be more comfortable to wear.
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Hi,
Thanks a lot for that i will check them out, it's always good to get recomendations before buying ! |
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Hi cockney, welcome to the forum. There's lots of good info here. I am in the US and have bought masks a couple of times from planforflu.com. Prices for the Moldex N95 masks run $28.95 for ten and $250.00 for a case of 100. Orders over $30.00 have free shipping. Hope this helps.
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Hello there all, It's nice to know im not the only one taking this thing serious as everyone i know thinks im mad !
Im in the uK and I was wondering if anyone on here had any information regarding the cheapest places to buy masks from, every site i seem to visit is laden with BF ads and i can't help but feel i will be paying over the top for them, does anyone have any pointers ? Thank you. |
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i found some good prices for N100 3M masks. i have been seeing
them for up to $10.95 each, but i found the same thing on
www.library-dust.com for only $5.95 and a box of 20 for $113.
thats the best price ive ever seen. |
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Hi there, don't think you can do much better than letting us help you. As a longtime member of this forum we have answered many questions, provided many with masks and generally hope to be of help. At this time we still are able to get stock on the 3 types of masks we carry. Here is the link to the correct page:
http://www.homeemergencyusa.com/Face-Masks%2C-First-Aid-and-Survival-Kits_5_category.html Keep safe, Rocky
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I agree with parkingm about buying now. Yesterday I was thinking about
adding to my supply of 3M N95 masks with the exhalation valve and
looked at several mask-selling websites that I had bookmarked. Three
sites were sold out, one anticipated having more in two weeks and
another had more than doubled their prices.
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I know I am new to this board, but have been "lurking" for sometime. I went to order another case of masks today and was informed that they are becoming very scarce as the government is snatching them up. Just a heads up if you haven't gotten all you need.
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Another great site for all kinds of masks is www.lss.com. They have everything, and will send you a 'phone book' size catalog with your first order.
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Hello all,
I just bought some model 9210 N95 masks that were on sale at Northerntool.com
Box of 20 (individually wrapped) for $15. They had another one that was what they called a woodworkers respirator type mask with replaceable N95 filters, but i wasn't sure about that one...
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Looks fine
How many ? Al these kinds of masls are of the non reusable type for an infection control situation, so .... |
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Is anyone familiar with this kind of mask, or with this vendor?
How many masks will we need?
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Try:
grainger.com safetycentral.com internationalsafetyllc.com store.pksafety.net nitro-pak.com approvedgasmasks.com www.emergencyresources.com |
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It's July 3 2006. I would like to order some children's masks N95. Three companies are sold out. A family member was to have gotten some for me, but his supply house ran out.
Can someone send a link? I would be most grateful!
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I have uploaded new pages to my blog, but lot is yet to be done (other pages, links, commentaries ...)Regards
Anita RN pulm nurse Avian Flu Personal Protection
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3M's N95 Mask Types:
3M 8000 Particulate Respirator N95 3M 8000 N95 particulate respirator for light duty applications. May be used for particles associated with sweeping, sanding, dusting and certain other substances. Box/30 3M 8210 N95 Particulate Respirator The 3M 8210 features a padded noseguard for long lasting comfort. Its lightweight and double strap design will give protection against most dusts, pollens, and grasses. 20 masks per box. 3M 8214 N95 Particulate Respirator w/Exhalation Valve and Face Seal3M™ recommended for welding stainless steel, aluminum, galvanized steel, and other applications where low level ozone and nuisance organic vapors may be present.Available Individually 3M 8511 N95 Particulate Respirator w/Exhalation Valve"The 3M™ 8511 Particulate Respirator is uniquely designed to help provide comfortable, reliable worker protection. It is ideally suited for work settings that involve heat, humidity or long periods of wear." Box of 10 masks. 3M is currently allocating this item. Ships by the end of June. 3M 9211 N95 Disposable Particulate RespiratorThe 3M 9211 disposable particulate respirator is a breakthrough in comfort and convenience. The three-panel low profile design conforms to a wide variety of face sizes allowing the adjustable noseclip to provide a custom fit and secure seal. The Cool Flow Exhalation Valve allows efficient operation in both hot and humid locations for all day comfort. Box of 10 masks. |
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I tried an experiment yesterday.
I have only the standard surgical masks that you see in the movies etc.
I only have 300 of them for the whole family and I wondered about re-using these even though it is not recommended by the 'experts'. I have a few mist spray bottles and some are filled with bleach, and others with Methylated Spirit (95% alcohol) . I took a mask and layed it on the bench wth the tapes uppermost over the mask and sprayed about 4 squirts of the Methylated Spirits all over it.
It dried out in a few seconds/minutes and was as good as new afterwards.
Seems good enough for me.
OJ
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Anita,
Do you know if the Nano is "one size fits all?" I can't seem to find any sizing info on their website. |
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1)microwave : useless for killing viruses and bacteries; heat can damage them, but not a safe way
2) the nanomasks are designed after a well known pattern for coarse dust masks (low filtering ability - Black and Decker and other brands), and this pattern is from the French mask "Detourbe" designed during WWW 1 as one of the first "gasmask". 3) the "home made cloth mask" some of you spoke of, when industrial models are not available, is after the first French "Tampon P 2" WW1 design ... Have the pics of all this if you have some doubt ... Anita |
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Microwave ovens produce electromagnetic radiation of exactly the right wavelength to excite water molecules. When water molecules become excited, they heat up. Since most of our food contains a fair amount of water, we can heat up our food by selectively heating up the water inside the food.
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- I can't determine if there is are water molecules in a virus
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And, if so, is it working by heat alone, or do microwaves themselves disrupt the virus?
Now I have to know. If you find out anything, please share, as will I. Red |
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that was my question directed at people that know more than me - will it work?
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But is that enough to kill viruses? How would you know? Microwaves vary in intensity from machine to machine. It's a great idea, but needs to be verifiable in its effects. |
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