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Further call for sequence database

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    Posted: March 09 2006 at 12:23pm
Interesting promed post about genetic database stuff, covers some 
of the very real practical reasons why a less than ideal system
exists at the moment.

I would agree that the world can do a lot more about this, but it will require a lot of
effort. Hopefully it will become politicly incorrect to withhold sequence data, so far
more samples will be made available far quicker.

Generally I dont think hat any human health issues should be seen as a marketplace and subject
to those rules of the game, but that is the world we live in. We cannot expect WHO and others
to behave any differently unless the world cahnges its attitude towards this stuff.
 
AVIAN INFLUENZA VIRUS: SEQUENCE DATABASE PROPOSAL
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Date: Thu 9 Mar 2006
From: Ilaria Capua <icapua@izsvenezie.it>


A Proposal from Dr. Ilaria Capua
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Avian Influenza infections caused by viruses of the H5N1 subtype are
causing concerns about public and animal health, food security for
developing countries and financial losses to the poultry industry.
Evidence of infection in the African continent and in the
Mediterranean open an unprecedented scenario with reference to virus
adaptation mechanisms to different hosts within the animal kingdom.

The current H5N1 epidemic is characterized by spillover of infection
to a variety of birds and mammals, and the range of hosts will
increase as the virus affects new ecosystems.

[A worldwide list of species affected by H5N1, based upon referenced
reports of highly pathogenic avian influenza H5N1 in animals, divided
into 4 groups (wild, captive/sanctuary, domestic and experimentally
infected), has been compiled by the National Wildlife Health Center,
U.S. Grological Survey;
<http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/disease_information/avian_influ enza/affected_species_chart.jsp>.
The list includes presently 9 mammal and 88 avian species, with
common and scientific names. - Mods.AS/CP]

It is important to closely monitor the occurrence of adaptive
mutations and compare genetic sequences of viruses obtained in other
parts of the world. The OIE/ FAO Reference Laboratory for Avian
Influenza at the Istituto Zooprofilattico Sperimentale delle Venezie
in Padova, Italy invites other scientists to follow the line of
conduct of Italian, UK, French, Croatian and Slovenian veterinary
virologists to deposit H5N1 sequences into public databases as soon
as they are available and expresses its gratitude to governments that
grant permission to deposit sequences.

This increased availability of information in a timely manner appears
to be the only tool available to attempt to understand the genetic
implications of interspecies transmission and mechanisms of viral
evolution in a rapidly changing scenario. Links to HA sequences of
A/chicken/Nigeria/06 and A/swan/Italy/06 are currently available, and
HA sequences of A/swan/Iran/754/06, A/duck/Niger/06 and
A/swan/Slovenia/06 will be available shortly at the OFFLU website:
<http://www.offlu.net>.

--
Ilaria Capua
OIE/FAO and National Reference Laboratory for Newcastle Disease and
Avian Influenza
Virology Department
Istituto Zooprofilattico Sperimentale delle Venezie
Viale dell'Universita' 10
35020 Legnaro
Padova, Italy
<icapua@izsvenezie.it>

[ProMED-mail welcomes the opportunity to support Dr. Capua's proposal.

The background to this proposal is provided in an article by Martin
Enserink, which appeared in "Science" on 3 Mar 2006 (Vol. 311. no.
5765, p. 1224 DOI: 10.1126/science.311.5765.1224) entitled: "As H5N1
Keeps Spreading, a Call to Release More Data" the text of which reads
as follows:

"PARIS: An impassioned call by a prominent Italian influenza
scientist has renewed the debate about how to balance global health
against scientists' needs to publish and countries' demands for
secrecy. On 16 Feb 2006, Ilaria Capua of the Istituto Zooprofilattico
Sperimentale delle Venezie in Italy asked more than 50 colleagues
around the world to release all sequence data for the H5N1 avian
influenza strain into the public domain. Comparing sequence data from
every H5N1 isolate as soon as they become available is crucial for
understanding how the virus moves and evolves, Capua argues.

Putting her money where her mouth is, Capua entered H5N1 sequence
data from 2 recently infected countries, Nigeria and Italy, into the
GenBank database the same day. She also rejected an offer by the
World Health Organization (WHO) to join a select circle of 15 labs
that share bird flu sequences on a password-protected Web site.

Capua's lab is a reference center for the U.N. Food and Agriculture
Organization (FAO) and the World Organisation for Animal Health
(OIE), and officials at those agencies say they support her call. But
some scientists say sharing data instantly is complicated by the need
for credit, and WHO argues that without some form of confidentiality,
some countries would not submit samples at all.

Sharing information about H5N1 has been tricky from the start. WHO,
FAO, and OIE encourage countries to send virus samples to specialized
reference labs that can confirm the outbreak and study the virus
further. Some have been reluctant to do so because they worry about
intellectual-property rights or not receiving a fair share of the
scientific credit; China, for instance, has not shared any avian
samples for a year, a WHO spokesperson says. But even when reference
labs do get their hands on a virus, they don't always release the
data immediately.

For instance, in the past few months, H5N1 samples from about 15
European countries have been sent to the Veterinary Laboratories
Agency (VLA) in Weybridge, U.K., a reference lab for OIE and the
European Union. Lab director Ian Brown says he's sharing sequence and
other data with governments and the international agencies; to show
support for Capua's campaign, he also submitted the sequence of a
virus from an outbreak in Turkey that he says is a "progenitor to the
European epidemic" into GenBank last week. However, until a paper
about the European outbreaks -- which he says could be submitted in a
matter of weeks -- has been accepted, Brown says he needs to hold on
to the European sequences. "The staff in this institute is working
24/7 to provide this service," he says. "I don't think it's
unreasonable to expect ... for their endeavors." It also takes time
to negotiate the conditions of release with dozens of individual
governments, Brown says.

Capua counters that just isolating and sequencing a virus that comes
in the mail does not give researchers the right to sit on the data,
especially not at a government lab. "Most of us are paid to protect
human and animal health," she says. "If publishing one more paper
becomes more important, we have our priorities messed up."
Governments can often be persuaded to release the sequences, adds
Capua, who repeated her call at an OIE meeting in Paris on Monday [3
Mar 2006?] and also plans to submit it to ProMED, an e-mail list
about emerging infectious diseases.

WHO agrees that in an ideal world, scientists would share their data
widely and voluntarily, says Wenqing Zhang of the agency's Global
Influenza Programme. But because that's not happening, the agency
created a special secured section at the Influenza Sequence Database
at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico in 2004. Currently,
some 15 labs have passwords to access these data, says Zhang,
including WHO's 8 reference labs. The system is invaluable for WHO,
she adds, as it helps the agency track the virus and adjust risk
assessments if necessary.

Virologist Yi Guan of the University of Hong Kong, which has a huge
H5N1 collection, says he would be prepared to release more data
publicly before publication but is looking for WHO to establish a new
policy. Until then, WHO's secure server at least ensures that
policymakers and most of the scientists who advise them have access
to vital information. But Capua says everyone with an interest should
be able to browse all the data. When she was offered access in
exchange for submitting her Nigerian sequence last month [February
2006], she declined. And the system gets mixed marks within WHO as
well. "Personally, I'm not in favor of it," says WHO scientist
Michael Perdue.

Whether scientists' fears of being scooped are justified is difficult
to say. In theory, once sequences are posted in the public domain,
anybody could write a paper about them. In practice, journal editors
will ask manuscript authors to get permission if they write a paper
about unpublished data they did not submit to GenBank themselves,
says Caroline Ash, who edits infectious diseases papers at Science.
But Brown says he'd rather not take that risk."

- Mod.CP]
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Politics...the true pandemic!!!
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Lets hoard all of the samples so only a few can make the decisions

Does that make sense to anyone here

The proper way to handle this is to let every scientis who would like to take a shot at take their shot. My god this is basic stuff, the more perspectives you have the better understanding of the problem you will have.

Why in gods name would you stop the research of something you can not to date control nor understand. I believe I have also seen these same concerns on the Recombination Wesite.

And another big problem is China, right now WHO is just taking their word for it on outbreaks and sequences.

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well, they must be hiding something, and that thought in itself is scary

maybe they dont want the scientists of the world to see something

maybe it is already sustained h2h and they dont want the world to panic

or maybe they are tired of people saying they are not doing a good job

maybe someone else should get hold of it and publish the sequence

so many maybes

would be nice to have some real answers

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Talk about super ego's at work!!!! Who the HE!! cares who gets the credit??? We are talking about human lives here....SCHEEESCH! Grow up! I thought we were all working for the betterment and survival of species here not who gets the credit!

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Its up to governments and scientists & research labs etc who 'own' the data to fix this situation. If WHO released all the data then lots of the people who provided the data would get upset and not share further data with WHO in future.

It sucks, but would we agree that its better that the WHO get more data in future? That although its really important that the data be released, it would actually be reckless of the WHO to do so without getting permission from the different parties who ahve an interest in this stuff?

If people put pressure on WHO about this, all the WHO can do really is beg the different data providers to let them release the info.

So the real focus to me needs to be on pressuring the institutions & scientists & governemnts to do this, some at WHO probably want this, want the same thing as us, but all the power does not rest with WHO. It is quite correct to pressure them, and they can share some blame, but they cant fix this situation on their own.
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What do you mean elbows. You talk as thow these people, organizations, countries own the rights to the virus.

This is a no-brainer

The more qualified people you have in the loop will just help not hinder. Unless of-course you are not looking for help and really just trying to control.

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I agree, but thats not how the world is currently setup. Although it is totally logical that nobody should have private ownership of data that could help save the human race from disaster, thats not how the world works.

Money, politics, its all humans at the end of the day. Existing interests that individuals, institutions and countries have, that override public health issues. Indeed it can be argued that economics & politics are public health issues, because if it all collapses then you dont need flu to cause human misery and suffering and death.

There are a great deal of sane people within institutions that are probably just as alarmed by the reality we see, and are trying to do their bit to fix things. But everyone has to play ball for this to work, and old habits die hard. I am not seeking to justify this sorry state of affairs, only to explain it. Because its not just a global conspiracy, rogue people or one rogue country, or a secret agenda by world government, or some or simple explanation, its the product of human nature, human society and financial systems, much of our entire way of life.

I do not like the modern state of intellectual property rights, they frequently come before the rights of humans to be saved. But they also enable a significant number of people to profit from their work and discoveries, and this personal profit above collective profit is a pillar of the modern world.

WTO could be seen as trying to say the right things in recent days about this. Didnt they release something that said intellectual rights & trade stuff should not be placed above anti-pandemic measures in terms of importance. They are saying that the normal rules should maybe not apply right now, that the wider economic & trade losses, the wider horrors to governments etc caused by a pandemic outweigh the normal economic rules of 'make as much as you can out of your assets, competition not co-operation'.

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yes I read the same on WTO.

Common sense needs to be injected into these organizations

The Human trait of control will probably be what sends everything out of Contol

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Here's a thought for conspiracy theorists.   Perhaps only small pox would make a better biological weapon.  Who ever controls the virus controls the ability to produce a viable vaccine for the illness.  Is that valuable enough to protect with secrecy?  Perhaps it is.  Maybe it's not.  God alone knows.
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