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Further call for sequence database |
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elbows
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Posted: March 09 2006 at 12:23pm |
Interesting promed post about genetic database stuff, covers some |
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TomMI
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Politics...the true pandemic!!!
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Mahshadin
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Lets hoard all of the samples so only a few can make the decisions Does that make sense to anyone here The proper way to handle this is to let every scientis who would like to take a shot at take their shot. My god this is basic stuff, the more perspectives you have the better understanding of the problem you will have. Why in gods name would you stop the research of something you can not to date control nor understand. I believe I have also seen these same concerns on the Recombination Wesite. And another big problem is China, right now WHO is just taking their word for it on outbreaks and sequences. NOT |
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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell
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well, they must be hiding something, and that thought in itself is scary maybe they dont want the scientists of the world to see something maybe it is already sustained h2h and they dont want the world to panic or maybe they are tired of people saying they are not doing a good job maybe someone else should get hold of it and publish the sequence so many maybes would be nice to have some real answers |
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meewee
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Talk about super ego's at work!!!! Who the HE!! cares who gets the credit??? We are talking about human lives here....SCHEEESCH! Grow up! I thought we were all working for the betterment and survival of species here not who gets the credit! Meewee
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God Bless us all!
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elbows
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Its up to governments and scientists & research labs etc who 'own' the data to fix this situation. If WHO released all the data then lots of the people who provided the data would get upset and not share further data with WHO in future.
It sucks, but would we agree that its better that the WHO get more data in future? That although its really important that the data be released, it would actually be reckless of the WHO to do so without getting permission from the different parties who ahve an interest in this stuff? If people put pressure on WHO about this, all the WHO can do really is beg the different data providers to let them release the info. So the real focus to me needs to be on pressuring the institutions & scientists & governemnts to do this, some at WHO probably want this, want the same thing as us, but all the power does not rest with WHO. It is quite correct to pressure them, and they can share some blame, but they cant fix this situation on their own. |
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Mahshadin
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What do you mean elbows. You talk as thow these people, organizations, countries own the rights to the virus. This is a no-brainer The more qualified people you have in the loop will just help not hinder. Unless of-course you are not looking for help and really just trying to control. |
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elbows
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I agree, but thats not how the world is currently setup. Although it is totally logical that nobody should have private ownership of data that could help save the human race from disaster, thats not how the world works.
Money, politics, its all humans at the end of the day. Existing interests that individuals, institutions and countries have, that override public health issues. Indeed it can be argued that economics & politics are public health issues, because if it all collapses then you dont need flu to cause human misery and suffering and death. There are a great deal of sane people within institutions that are probably just as alarmed by the reality we see, and are trying to do their bit to fix things. But everyone has to play ball for this to work, and old habits die hard. I am not seeking to justify this sorry state of affairs, only to explain it. Because its not just a global conspiracy, rogue people or one rogue country, or a secret agenda by world government, or some or simple explanation, its the product of human nature, human society and financial systems, much of our entire way of life. I do not like the modern state of intellectual property rights, they frequently come before the rights of humans to be saved. But they also enable a significant number of people to profit from their work and discoveries, and this personal profit above collective profit is a pillar of the modern world. WTO could be seen as trying to say the right things in recent days about this. Didnt they release something that said intellectual rights & trade stuff should not be placed above anti-pandemic measures in terms of importance. They are saying that the normal rules should maybe not apply right now, that the wider economic & trade losses, the wider horrors to governments etc caused by a pandemic outweigh the normal economic rules of 'make as much as you can out of your assets, competition not co-operation'. |
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Mahshadin
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yes I read the same on WTO. Common sense needs to be injected into these organizations The Human trait of control will probably be what sends everything out of Contol |
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gricha56
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Here's a thought for conspiracy theorists. Perhaps only small pox would make a better biological weapon. Who ever controls the virus controls the ability to produce a viable vaccine for the illness. Is that valuable enough to protect with secrecy? Perhaps it is. Maybe it's not. God alone knows.
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