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    Posted: February 14 2023 at 7:42am

[url]https://www.change.org/p/manifestfuerfrieden-aufstandfuerfrieden[/url] or https://www.change.org/p/manifestfuerfrieden-aufstandfuerfrieden ; via translate;

Today is the 352nd day of the war in Ukraine (February 10, 2023). Over 200,000 soldiers and 50,000 civilians have been killed so far. Women were raped, children frightened, an entire people traumatized. If the fighting continues like this, Ukraine will soon be a depopulated, devastated country. And many people across Europe are also afraid of an escalation of the war. They fear for their and their children's future.

The Ukrainian population brutally attacked by Russia needs our solidarity. But what would be solidarity now? How much longer will there be fighting and dying on the battlefield of Ukraine? And now, a year later, what is actually the goal of this war? The German Foreign Minister recently said that "we" are waging a "war against Russia". In earnest?

President Zelenskyj makes no secret of his goal. After the promised tanks, he is now also demanding fighter jets, long-range missiles and warships – to defeat Russia across the board? The German chancellor still assures that he does not want to send fighter jets or "ground troops". But how many "red lines" have already been crossed in recent months?

It is to be feared that Putin will launch a maximum counter-attack if Crimea is attacked at the latest. Will we then inexorably slide towards world war and nuclear war? It wouldn't be the first major war that started like this. But it might be the last.

Supported by the West, Ukraine can win individual battles. But it cannot win a war against the world's largest nuclear power. That's what the highest military in the United States, General Milley, says. He speaks of a stalemate in which neither side can win militarily and the war can only be ended at the negotiating table. Then why not now? Immediately!

Negotiating does not mean surrendering. Negotiating means making compromises on both sides. With the aim of preventing hundreds of thousands more deaths and worse. That's what we think too, and that's what half of the German population thinks. It's time to listen to us!

We citizens of Germany cannot directly influence America and Russia or our European neighbors. But we can and must hold our government and the chancellor to account and remind him of his oath: "Revert damage to the German people".

We call on the Chancellor to stop the escalation in arms deliveries. Now! He should lead a strong alliance for a ceasefire and peace negotiations at both German and European level. Now! Because every lost day costs up to 1,000 more human lives - and brings us closer to a 3rd World War.

Alice Schwarzer and Sarah Wagenknecht

DJ, Some other countries may see same petitions

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[url]https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahra_Wagenknecht[/url] or https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahra_Wagenknecht ; Sahra Wagenknecht (born Sarah WagenknechtGerman pronunciation: [ˌzaːʁa ˈvaːɡŋ̍ˌknɛçt]; 16 July 1969) is a German politician, economist, author and publicist. Since 2009, she has been a member of the Bundestag for The Left. From 2015 to 2019 she served as parliamentary co-chair of her party.

and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Schwarzer[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Schwarzer ; Alice Sophie Schwarzer[1] (born 3 December 1942) is a German journalist and prominent feminist. She is founder and publisher of the German feminist journal EMMA. Beginning in France, she became a forerunner of feminist positions against anti-abortion laws, for economic self-sufficiency for women, against pornography, prostitution, female genital mutilation, and for a fair position of women in Islam. She authored many books, including biographies of Romy SchneiderMarion Dönhoff and herself.

DJ Pandemics mixed with wars end up very bad...The Spanish Flu would not have become such a disaster without World War One...

In the west NO CITIZEN !!!!! voted for this insane war !!!! 

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/941127-ukraine-war-discussion-threat-to-public-health?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/941127-ukraine-war-discussion-threat-to-public-health?view=stream trying to follow health issues related to this war...

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZKTVGKKAE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZKTVGKKAE livestream of Berlin demonstration against more weapons to keep Ukraine war going...

[url]https://aufstand-fuer-frieden.de/[/url] or https://aufstand-fuer-frieden.de/ "Uprising for peace" 

Something must happen! Now.

Negotiating does not mean surrendering. Negotiating means making compromises on both sides. With the aim of preventing hundreds of thousands more deaths and worse. That's what we think too, and that's what half of the German population thinks. It's time to listen to us!

We citizens of Germany cannot directly influence America and Russia or our European neighbors. But we can and must hold our government and the chancellor to account.

We call on the Chancellor to stop the escalation in arms deliveries. Now! He should lead a strong alliance for a ceasefire and peace negotiations at both German and European level. Now! Because every lost day costs up to 1,000 more human lives - and brings us closer to a 3rd World War.

DJ Organized by Die Linke/The Left and a feminist...support may come from right wing (extremists...)

[url]https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-readies-for-naive-ukraine-peace-rally/a-64818249[/url] or https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-readies-for-naive-ukraine-peace-rally/a-64818249 

Organizers of the Rebellion for Peace protest have been criticized for playing into Russian President Vladimir Putin's hands. Far-right groups have told their supporters to show up, prompting a strong police presence.

Police in Berlin have stepped up their presence over fears that a "peace" protest in the German capital later Saturday could turn violent, local media reported.

Organizers of the Rebellion for Peace rally have received fierce criticism from many politicians, including Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who say the demonstration could weaken public support for Ukraine's fightback against Russia.

Police are also concerned that the event, at the Brandenburg Gate, could be buttressed by far-right groups for their own ends.

One of the organizers, renegade former socialist Left Party leader Sahra Wagenknecht told public broadcaster ZDF that, "We have made clear that rightwing extremist symbols have no place at this rally," but added, "But of course, everyone is welcome who wants to demonstrate for peace with an open heart."

The so-called peace rally follows a protest in solidarity with Ukraine, attended by some 10,000 people in Berlin on Friday night — the one-year anniversary of Russia's invasion.

What is the Rebellion for Peace rally?

Saturday's protest has been organized by Wagenknecht and publicist Alice Schwarzer.

The pair have applied for permission for 10,000 people to attend.

Two weeks ago, the organizers published a "Manifesto for Peace," which has been backed by the signatures of more than 620,000 people, according to the change.org website.

The pair say they want to see "negotiations and compromises" on both sides of the yearlong Ukraine conflict to prevent it from escalating into possible nuclear war.

In an interview with Germany's DPA news agency, Schwarzer said in view of the number of people who have signed the manifesto, she said it is "well on the way to becoming a real citizens' movement."

She also accused Scholz of not taking the concerns of so many people seriously, adding: "This is about the survival of mankind."

Schwarzer added that arms sales to Ukraine should be accompanied by diplomatic efforts.

"After a year of death and destruction, I ask: What is stopping us from starting negotiations now instead of waiting three years?"

DJ...I would be surprised -bad weather- if there were over 10,000 protestors...

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[url] https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/kundgabe-von-wagenknecht-und-schwarzer-die-demonstration-durfte-regen-zulauf-von-rechtsextremen-bekommen-9410264.html[/url] or https https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/kundsendung-von-wagenknecht-und-schwarzer-die-demonstration-durfte-regen-zulauf-von-rechtsextremen-bekommen-9410264.html ;

Rally of Wagenknecht and Schwarzer: "The demonstration should get a lot of traffic from right-wing extremists"

Left-wing politician Sahra Wagenknecht and women's rights activist Alice Schwarzer mobilize at the Brandenburg Gate for an "uprising for peace". The demo could also attract right-wing extremists.

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Jürgen Elsässer has long dreamed of a big merger between the far right and the far left.

A week ago, the editor-in-chief of the extreme right-wing “Compact” magazine stood on stage at a demonstration during the Munich Security Conference and shouted: “You can break a finger. But five fingers is a fist. We need a transverse front for peace." In addition to left and right, he is thinking of the milieu of the lateral thinker movement.

DJ, Also in France right wing and left wing together may push Macron out of power...lots of countries may end up in this kind of scenario's...

Not only protest against the west pushing (escalation of) the Ukraine war, also inflation, housing crisis, other issues could end up as things both groups want changes...

Main stream media warn for hijack of a left wing protest by the right wing...so it is a "bad demonstration"...but the death of over 200,000 Ukrainians is " in defence of freedom"...

A speaker also was active in the peace-movement 40 years ago...then "the green party" was involved...Now a lot of green party voters will feel betrayed by the green party elite...

I expect the German state "would welcome riots" to criminalize the peace movement...only worsening radicalizing...

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[url]https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/frieden-in-der-ukraine-sahra-wagenknecht-alice-schwarzer-demo-in-berlin-10000-menschen-angemeldet-polizei-im-grosseinsatz-li.321494[/url] or https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/frieden-in-der-ukraine-sahra-wagenknecht-alice-schwarzer-demo-in-berlin-10000-menschen-angemeldet-polizei-im-grosseinsatz-li.321494 

PEACE DEMONSTRATION BY SAHRA WAGENKNECHT AND ALICE SCHWARZER: THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN BRIEF
  • In Berlin , many thousands of people followed the call for the "Peace in Ukraine " protest rally at the Brandenburg Gate.
  • According to the police, there were 13,000 participants. According to information from the Berliner Zeitung, however, the organizer's statement of 50,000 demonstrators is correct.
  • The organizers Sahra Wagenknecht (left) and Alice Schwarzer spoke to those gathered from 2 p.m. and called for the establishment of a citizens' movement.
  • The aim of the "uprising for peace" is peace negotiations with Russia .
  • At the same time, counter-demonstrators gathered in the city of Berlin, according to the police , there were sometimes fisticuffs with participants in the peace demonstration.
  • The reason for the protests was also the first anniversary of the Ukraine war on Friday.


DJ, CoViD (hospital) cases increasing in lots of countries, H5N1 risks growing, climate disasters...and politicians push for more wars....

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/nuclear-capable-b-52-s-buzz-tallinn-estonia-russia-border[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/nuclear-capable-b-52-s-buzz-tallinn-estonia-russia-border ;

At least two fully nuclear capable U.S. B-52 Stratofortress's "Buzzed" the city of Tallinn, Estonia today, about 120 miles from the border of Russia.  This show of force was a message to the Russians . . . . Now Russia might have to send a message back.

DJ....

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Even embedded main stream media-for sale- no longer able to totally ignore growing anti war protests...

[url]https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/sie-haben-angst-vor-uns-wagenknecht-hofft-auf-eine-neue-friedensbewegung-9415643.html[/url] or https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/sie-haben-angst-vor-uns-wagenknecht-hofft-auf-eine-neue-friedensbewegung-9415643.html 

They are afraid of us": Wagenknecht sees the demo in Berlin as the "starting signal" for a new peace movement

Thousands of people come to the controversial rally by Sahra Wagenknecht and Alice Schwarzer. The German hate figure of the day is not even present.

DJ, helping Ukraine getting hundreds of its military killed in an insane US provoked war is "not controversial"....Let "CoViD" -other diseases- "do their thing is "not controversial"...MSM going full propaganda...

If Sahra Wagenknecht has her way, this is just the beginning. Germany's best-known left-wing politician is on Saturday in a black coat on the stage in front of the Brandenburg Gate. She calls out: "Let's give the go-ahead today for a new, strong peace movement in Germany." Thousands of people cheered in front of her in the sleet.

Wagenknecht is more present these days than it has been for a long time. Together with the women's rights activist Alice Schwarzer, she published a "Manifesto for Peace" , which now has more than 600,000 signatories. And together with Schwarzer and former brigadier general Erich Vad, she mobilized for this rally, which they called "uprising for peace".

DJ...

The event had already caused criticism in advance because Wagenknecht had not clearly distanced itself from the far right. She said right-wing extremists and Reich citizens had no business at the event, but at the same time she emphasized that anyone who wanted to demonstrate for peace "with an honest heart" was allowed to come.

So...protest organizers have to exclude groups so main stream media can "agree with it"? [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera ;Bandera remains a highly controversial figure in Ukraine.[15][16] Many Ukrainians hail him as a role model hero[17][18]or as a martyred liberation fighter,[6] while other Ukrainians, particularly in the south and east, condemn him as a fascist[19] Nazi collaborator[17] who was, together with his followers, responsible for massacres of Polish and Jewish civilians during the Second World War.[20][9][21][22][23][8]

Most of the Kiev-junta see him as a hero...western politicians shake hands with these people, send billions worth of "aid" to them...

Habeck speaks of "misleading the population"

There was also sharp criticism of the position of Schwarzer and Wagenknecht. In their manifesto, the two women advocate quick peace negotiations, but reject arms deliveries to Ukraine. Economics Minister Robert Habeck accused them of "misleading the population".


It's understandable that you want peace. However, Wagenknecht and her supporters wanted to sell something as peace that "a dictator, an imperialist dictator, is forcing on Europe," said the Green politician on ARD. Chancellor Olaf Scholz explained that one must understand "that the Russian President currently only accepts one form of negotiations, namely that someone surrenders unconditionally and he implements all his goals."

DJ...both green party voters and social democratic (trade union) groups by now have had enough of their "leaders"....You do not solve problems by war...

In the German constitution Germany has to promote peace...NOT send weapons to conflict zones....

German press "don't look up" to the Nordstream story...Stop investigations, any outcome "a matter of national security"...If Russia did blow up Nordstream it would be seen as an act of war...The US blowing up Nordstream is "an act of friendship"

Please...Sahra Wagenknecht said "Political parties have lost their political compass"...DJ, Democracy, freedom are not always given...when "politicians for sale" no longer want to represent the people -but bussiness interests- people have to "recover" democracy and freedom...

Public healthcare, public education are the basics of democracy...and NOT for sale...

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