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Gestalt#49 – SARS-2 Pandemic

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    Posted: May 02 2021 at 8:21am

 

by:monotreme1000 | May 2, 2021
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Death by Political Correctness


We are in the midst of a pandemic that has killed nearly 600,000 Americans. Yet, American Congressional Members appear to be more interested in establishing their credentials as the most politically correct, rather than quickly confirming someone who has the scientific credentials to solve at least some of the problems that represent an existential threat to the US.

I'm referring to the ridiculous accusations leveled against Dr. Eric Lander in Congressional Hearings this week. He is accused of not praising two female scientists enough, praising one of the discoverers of the structure of DNA too much and being in the same room with a bad person before he knew that this guy was a bad person. This is, almost literally, insane.

There is no one on this planet, including the Congress members who pilloried Dr. Lander, who could pass the kind of purity test that he is being subjected to.

Why?

I wonder if there is someone who is currently enjoying a lot of limelight who might feel threatened if Dr. Lander assumes his responsibilities. I wonder who might be whispering in the ear of these Congressional members. I wonder why someone who should be vigorously defending Dr. Lander but who, despite nonstop press coverage, hasn't managed to find time do this.


Vaccine vs. Strains


The mRNA vaccines created by Pfizer and Moderna have been unqualified successes. These vaccines are saving our lives and our economy. We would be in deep trouble, right now, without them.

Yet, I am reluctant to celebrate the opening up of the US without reservations.

I think it is mistake to depend 100% on vaccines for our protection from SARS-2. And that is what we are currently doing.

Although there are some restrictions on travel from India, they will have no effect on the importation of the strains that are breaking in that country.

President Biden has adopted exactly the same policies that failed President Trump - incomplete travel restrictions that are more for PR than a real attempt to protect Americans from dangerous new strains.

Maybe our currently available vaccines will protect us against the new Indian strains, maybe they won't. We don't know.

Maybe we will have new vaccines in time if the current ones fail (but probably we won't).

We should, by all means, push ahead with vaccinating everyone we can with the current vaccines and develop new ones. But I fear this will not be enough.

We have to stop new strains from entering this country. The only to do this is a COMPLETE passenger travel ban on ALL countries that have circulating virus. Otherwise, we will become the world's biggest Petri dish of SARS-2 variants.

What are the odds that policy ends well?

'A man who does not think and plan long ahead will find trouble right at his door.'
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Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVo0pVC9Swk[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVo0pVC9Swk had a video a.o. on differences between the US and UK in meeting after two vaccinations...in the US it seems to be OK to meet another outside the household-if (s)he had the vaccinations+2 weeks..in the UK it is NOT because of other variants that still may spread.

Also sequencing is an issue; Iceland, 78.8% Australia, 60.3% New Zealand, 48.5% Denmark, 20.2% Taiwan, 16% UK, 8.7% Norway, 5.6% Vietnam, 5.5% US, 1%India 0.06%

And yes [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineage_B.1.617#Statistics[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineage_B.1.617#Statistics , [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineage_P.1#Statistics[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineage_P.1#Statistics the US has over 100 of the India-variant, over 2500 of the P1 variant...with 1% of cases sequenced and limited testing...

The stop on travel from India came to late to stop the spread...history repeats itself...

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I am guessing that allowing people to meet after having the 2nd vaccine is a calculated policy designed to encourage more people to get the vaccine.

In Ohio, US, the policy is now that someone who has been fully vaccinated +2 weeks, will not have to quarantine if they are exposed to the virus.  So if a student is exposed to the virus, but is vaccinated, they can still attend the big game, or prom, or graduation, or whatever.

I get why they are doing this.  The number of people being vaccinated each day is dropping off rapidly.  The people who are afraid of the virus have been vaccinated, so now they are trying to incentivize the rest of the population to get it. Only about 40% of Ohioans have had their first shot.  I understand the logic behind it, but I still have mixed feelings about it.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/us-coronavirus-not-reaching-herd

US coronavirus: Not reaching herd immunity by fall could have dire consequences, expert says
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"What I really worry about is that those people who are already on the fence don't get vaccinated (and) we don't reach herd immunity come the fall," CNN medical analyst Dr. Leona Wen told CNN.



"And then with the winter .. we have a big resurgence, maybe we have variants coming in from other countries, and we could start this whole process all over again and have another huge pandemic come the winter."


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It's going to take us that much longer to get back to life as normal, to stop having to wear masks for our protection, if people don't get vaccinated and we don't have equitable distribution of vaccines," infectious diseases specialist Dr. Celine Gounder told CNN on Sunday.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote carbon20 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2021 at 3:27pm

Arn't these antivacciners not seeing what's happening in India, Indonesia, Turkey,

Why do they think they are immune? Because they live in the USA......

Dumb and dumber......

Take care all 😷😉


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Carbon...I wonder of It is signs of a plot to manipulate the American "right" to bring about the depopulation of North America,

I would have thought that at least the religious-right would have seen the effect from Israel and so would want to follow that path (ie high rates of vaccination leading to rapid reduction of cases and deaths).

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote carbon20 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2021 at 12:12am

I do wonder if the religious people who don't believe in evolution,are driving this,they seen unable to grasp the concept of mutations/evolution,

Rather deny it , because it goes against their doctrine, I mean most of these people believe that dinosaurs and people existed at the same time ,and we were created as we are now......,

So to say a virus evolves/mutates is like talking Martian to them......

I say that from working with two religious people, who seem very ignorant of genetic matters,the one person white South African ,seems to think Vitamin Did made in your eyes,thinks I'm insane for suggesting that VitD  is made through Sunlight hitting your skin ,in a county where there is bright sunshine the skin needs to absorb less ,hence dark skinned folks..... 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WitchMisspelled Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2021 at 5:51pm

It's not the "American right".  Although, they are gullible enough to swallow what the Russian troll farms feed them attempting to destabilize the west.  

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