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Mahshadin
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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell
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Just read the link.They damn themselves with their own statements and admissions.Unbelievable!
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reading between the lines can be most informative....
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I want everyone to realize how different bacteria are to us. They are completely different. The don't have organelles. They don't have a nucleus. They have cell walls made of sugars cross-linked with proteins. Some of them have an extra outer protective membrane on top of the cell wall. Yes, bacteriophages can mutate. But the probability that it will mutate to infect any eukaryotic cell is astronomically small. H5N1 already infected warm-blooded vertebrates. Bacteriophages don't even infect anything with more than 1 cell. And I don't like repeating myself because there is no way you can make an entire factory sterile, especially in food. Bacteria are everywhere!!!!! |
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Do we not love all the things Science can do?I still like to have a choice.... do I have a choice?
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Viruses are similar to obligate intracellular parasites as they lack the means for self-reproduction outside a host cell, but unlike parasites, viruses are generally not considered to be true living organisms. They infect a wide variety of organisms: both eukaryotes (such as animals and plants) and prokaryotes (such as bacteria).
Wikipedia http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040123005321.htm Source: American Chemical Society Date: January 26, 2004 Bacterium That Causes Food Poisoning May Lead To Better Anti-viral Vaccines
Conventional vaccine formulations typically use live or weakened viruses to boost the immune response. The Listeria formulation uses viral protein components along with the bacterial protein, reducing the possibility of accidental viral infection. In preliminary animal studies, the new vaccine also appeared to boost the immune response better than a conventional vaccine, according to the researchers. Their study appears in the inaugural (January) issue of Molecular Pharmaceutics, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Chemical Society, the world's largest scientific society. The new bi-monthly journal focuses on the emerging and evolving fields of the molecular mechanisms of drugs and drug delivery. The vaccine incorporates a bacterial protein called listeriolysin O (LLO), which has the unusual ability to allow Listeria to cut through and enter certain cells that are involved in the immune response. These cells, called macrophages, are in turn able to activate other immune cells called cytotoxic T-lymphocytes, which are needed for complete protection against viral diseases but are not adequately activated by conventional vaccine formulations. By boosting the activity of these cells along with the production of viral antibodies, the new vaccine formulation could ultimately help save lives, the researchers say. "Today's vaccines are lifesavers, but there's still much room for improvement," says study leader Kyung-Dall Lee, Ph.D., an associate professor in the Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. "We've shown that vaccines produced using the listeriolysin O protein can dramatically boost the immune response [in mice]. We're very excited about this promising vaccine delivery system, which could pave the way for the next generation of safer, more effective vaccines." In preliminary studies using a mouse model of viral meningitis, a vaccine containing a genetically engineered version of the LLO protein was used to effectively immunize a small group of mice against a lethal viral strain ? with a 100 percent survival rate, the researchers say. By contrast, half of the mice died that were given a conventional meningitis vaccine formulation, while none of the non-immunized mice survived, they add. Lee and his associates had first demonstrated in cell studies that the LLO protein isolated from Listeria could boost immune responses. He then genetically engineered the protein into the new vaccine formulation for enhanced immune protection. This study represents the first time the experimental strategy has been shown to work in live animal models of viral infection and represents a promising strategy for boosting both antibodies and cytotoxic T-lymphocytes (or T-cells) simultaneously, which are needed to maximize the immune system's response against viral attack, Lee and his associates say. If further studies are successful, the vaccine delivery system could be available to make a variety of anti-viral vaccines for consumers in several years, Lee predicts. In particular, the finding renews hope of eventually developing an effective HIV vaccine to stem the spread of AIDS. Clinical studies are still needed for each specific vaccine, he cautions. "We harnessed the clever invasive machinery of Listeria and developed it into a potentially safer and more effective vaccine delivery formulation," says Lee, who holds a patent related to the LLO vaccine delivery technique. He adds that the technique also holds promise for developing vaccines for other diseases, including cancer and SARS. The National Institutes of Health provided funding for this study. ............................................................................................... Bacterial Toxins: Friends or Foes?Clare K. Schmitt, Karen C. Meysick, and Alison D. O'Brien
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We dont have any problem understanding that bacteria are very different from us.The fact that these viruses kill bacteria and have the potential to destroy our intestinal flora upon which we are all dependent for our health seems to escape you.By your reasoning cleanliness is pointless because bacteria are everywhere,I disagree vehemently.The technology for pathogen control in food preparation is highly effective if the will and the dollars are applied judiciously...its just cheaper to do nothing and spray viruses and further adulterate and contaminate our food with the dubious assertion that it will work and be harmless.I disagree.
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reading between the lines can be most informative....
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Mahshadin
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I agree
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First, it would be unthinkable that we/our intestinal flora have not already encoutered bacteriophages. Also, bacteria thrive in the wild while encountering them which we know is true because bacteria still exist. Continuing, these bacteriophages are specific for certain kinds of bacteria which will not make up the majority in our colon. There are more bacteria in the gut than cells in the human body comprising over 500 seperate species. And not all viruses mutate to the extreme extent that flu does, and flu is an extreme. So a mutation to effect all 500 species and kill all of the bacteria before you defecate would be remarkable.
That's something I forget to mention previously. Over 1/3 of what you defecate is pure bacteria. So the entire population gets turned over on a regular basis. You could simply flush out your system so there is no more problem. |
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So then its basically creating a War on a specific desease (Lysteria) or the Bacteria that causes the disease by using a smaller Micro-biological agent (Virus) to kiill it.
So then there will be more of these Virus Sprays for different Bacteria. HMMMM, so how many different Bacteria species are there and are there plans for more of these Virus Sprays. So eventually we will be able to have a selction of bottles mixed with different Viruses to kill diffrent Bacteria. Or will they just mix them up together and have one bottle.
There are many questions about this technology, and I would like to know who is asking them and what the answers are before I am exposed to a new process of food supply preperation without choice.
Just my opinion of course
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Plant food at home, buy local. Just say no to Agra Business gone wild :)
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The author of the article that Anhara posted makes some very salient points which you choose to gloss over..........
The ingestion of significant amounts of viral phages into the human digestive tract is a wild card full of unknown outcomes. For example, it is certainly possible that these phages, which constantly mutate in order to survive, are likely to find a way to infect bacteria they were not intended to infect. Since phages are parasites, they could hijack the friendly bacteria of the digestive tract and turn them into viral machines, constantly generating viral particles that are likely to confuse the human immune system, if not directly infect the body. We know from history that these viral phages can turn innocuous bacteria into a killer, which is how cholera occurs. Furthermore, the Listeria bacteria are not going to take the issue lying down. They will develop resistance to the viruses over time, as we have seen with the overuse of antibiotics. Going down this path we are likely to have hundreds of viral food additives in the food we eat, all designed to combat some possible infection coming from poor quality food. Sooner or later we will inadvertently create deadly new super-strains of bacteria and/or parasitically infect the human digestive tract with an untreatable infection. I would add that we certainly have encountered these organisms in the past...you fail to adress the question have these encounters caused human disease?Ingesting a few might be harmless...trillions might be an entirely different matter.The bacteria with their fast replication and mutability quickly adapt by mutation and dna swapping resistance factors to new threats.Alas we cannot react so swiftly.And your reference to defecation as an all in all out phenomenon that is easily cleansed is cartoonish in its characterization and factually incorrect.Deliberately inoculating our food and therefore ourselves with viral mixes with the hope that it will all work out ok is insanity that only the profit driven would contemplate.I agree....boycott adulterated foods,.support you local farmers and abandon agribusiness.What we must demand is labeling that honestly states the true facts about the product and not let these criminals slip through legislation that allows then to hide what they do.If they want to keep it secret it reveals their true intent and treacherous actions. |
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Thank you all - this has been a fascinating thread. I don't know how I feel about this -there are good points on each side. I think if you told people their food had been sprayed with viruses, they would react with horror (which has to be why they wouldn't advertise it on the product). When people hear the word "virus" or "bacteria" or "fungus" they think it's all bad. What if, in the future, we discover certain viruses that can be used to cure cancer and AIDS (isn't there research already being done on this?) Maybe in 50 years, viruses will be "good." Who knows......
Val - I agree that labeling and education is important. But what did you mean by their "true intent and treacherous actions?" Also, not everyone has access to a farmer's market.
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I think it will be labeled like (Phage) or somthing. I think I read that somewhere.
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