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Your last 24 hours? - Event Date: October 20 2006

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    Posted: October 20 2006 at 4:43pm
If you see a whisper of BF having gone human to human, then you need to leap into action THAT DAY and act like it's a certainty.... if you're wrong then it was a damn good drill, if you're right then maybe you can get two or three more carloads of stuff home before the rest of the world knows about it and every store is ransacked.  Do you have a plan?  Will you share it with all of us so that we can perhaps fine tune our own plans?
 
My husband and I have a plan: he's going to take care of the stocks and money, gas, propane, and more ammo.  I'm going to take care of everything else.  He is sometimes hard to get at work, so we've got a code, if he hears "Alas Babylon" it's the real deal and he's to start his part of the plan immediately.  That code is only for this situation, so he knows if he hears it, I've got a fairly positive idea a pandemic is in motion.
As I'm driving to the store, I'll call my parents, who also know the code, etc.  That way I can just go down my short list, call and leave a message with the code, and move on to the next person quickly - every minute I give them in a minute more they'll have of warning. 
Then I've got an extra list of people to call, I'm buying milking goats from a farmer nearby but he knows I can only get them if TSHTF (my neighbors would shoot me if I had goats over here in a neighborhood, but if BF hits, then I'm getting two and they can just lump it.  They're milkers, so that's my source for milk for the kids, etc.)  He will deliver me two, and he's got a steady supply so it's almost certain he can just bring them right over.  Goats don't need a lot of extras, they can take the place of my yard service and eat all the poison ivy and juicy weeds growing in the corner of the lot.  $80.00 a goat.
I'll call and order more contacts, and I have a list of other things too, that are "wish list" of super-extra supplies but we want to wait as long as we can to get them and get the staple preps first (I do have a lot of backup contacts, a new pair of glasses, etc. but I'd like another year's worth of contacts too.  I'm blind without them.Cry)
I've already discovered I'm limited in what I can buy by what my van will HOLD.  I can't make any bulky purchases, like toilet paper, paper towels, etc. as that will be displacing food.  And my plan is when I enter the store, I'll grab two grocery carts at the door, push one and pull one, and fill both up, then go check out, then load in the van, then either go back in or hit another store if they don't have things I need.  I'm going to focus on smaller stores, Dollar General, Family Dollar, etc. instead of Walmart as everyone will think to go to Wal-mart first and it'll be packed.  (And the smaller ones have milk and stuff too.)   The check out lines will be an hour long, I'll bet, so I'm trying to make the most of the time!!!
We're also certain that credit cards will eventually not be accepted, so my haste to get everywhere is to beat the closing of the banks.  Once it's common knowledge it's hit there will be a run on the banks, banks will close in an emergency situation so we don't have another "Depression" situation, and since most credit card companies are banks, the credit card issuers will be closed and therefor no checks or credit cards.  We've got a card set aside just for this situation, and we plan to literally charge whatever we can get our hands on, and just worry about paying for it later.  Dead
I cringe thinking about having a full van and being forced to stop, come home, unload and then go back out.  I'll have kids with me, so you can imagine how stressful it will be.  I'm prepping now, and have a good about of preps, but how much is enough?  My husband is like, "good grief!!" but I"m like, "If we stay at home and don't go get what we can and then have our children looking at us and asking for food and we're out of food, won't you feel like a __________?"  We also don't know how many "extra" mouths we'll wind up feeding with our preps.
I've also made a short list and put it in my van's glove box of the times the stores I plan to go to open, close.  That way I'm not losing a second of time waiting on a store to open.  I've got a large insulation bag (folds flat) I'm leaving in the van to put in milk and other refrigeration things, as I don't plan to come home until the van is stuffed to capacity.
What are your plans?  Confused
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    My plan is not to wait untill it comes to this. Prep now and avoid the nuts later. My family will SIP immediatly. If I need something...well, shame on me. We will go without.
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what makes you think credit cards won't work?
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Originally posted by raptureready raptureready wrote:

    My plan is not to wait untill it comes to this. Prep now and avoid the nuts later. My family will SIP immediatly. If I need something...well, shame on me. We will go without.
 
I'm with you, if I forgot anything I'll do without.
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Originally posted by CabinLass CabinLass wrote:

what makes you think credit cards won't work?
 
 
My opinion is if the country experienced a disaster of the magnitude that we're all prepping for, the banks will be closed.  The stock market has a limit on how far it can crash before it's closed - they'll close it to prevent a mass sell-off that would ruin the economy, same deal for the banks.  It's a guess, you could be right and they stay open (great!) but I'm prepping for no banking abilities.
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remember to keep small bills on hand  - i cashed in 100 dollar bills i had at home for emergency's for 20, 10 and 5 dollar bills.  100 dollar bills won't do you any good if the other person is unable to make change!!
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I hope to have most things totally purchased by that time. The only thing I would venture out for (only if it was safe) would be to get some fresh fruits, veggies, milk and bread type items. If it wasn't safe we could do without any of it since we have it in cans and cartons that do not have to be refrigerated. I don't plan on racing around at the last minute exposing myself to sickness. That is why I have been prepping for a year to avoid that scenario of tons of people all trying to buy the same items at the same time. MY PLANS are to clean house, do all the laundry and wash any extra items that need to be washed, fill my water containers, clean my pool, get gas in the cars and get my bills paid before we lose utilities (if that happens).
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Hum... that staying at home idea and doing laundry is probably what I SHOULD be doing.... laundry is not something I'm usually on top of.  Reading your comments does make me rethink me scrurrying approach a bit!!
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I'm a little bit more relaxed about this.  I'm sure my Adrenalin will be going but my plan is in place so it should go smoothly.
 
We don't have a secret code..I want people around me to know...Even co-workers.  I hope when I call my husband cell phone he would tell his co-workers...They all have kids.  I'm going to beg my neighbors to prepare..Maybe they'll listen this time.Ermm
 
I think once I make that call, questions will come right back at me...How do you know?...What makes you feel that way?  Whats going on?  3/4 of my family is not preparing, because they don't think this will ever happen..None of my friends are prepping...
 
I will go to Walmart as it's a super center and has everything I'll need.  I have a my last minute list...It's printed out and its in my glove box already.  Sams club is next to Walmart..
 
I will use my credit cards that I took out just for this situation.....
 
My husbands job is to remove the money from the bank.  It's to be in bills of 20 10's 5's 1's  we have change...but keep the account open on checking..10 dollars.  We have direct deposit.
 
My husband and I have discussed taking a pension loans out right away, when this hits, as much as the pension will allow.   I'm afraid his pension will drop just like the market so were going to try to get as much money back that's owed to us...Kids Stocks will be cashed in.
 
I don't think will lose power right away..Remember most people think we are overreacting. 
 
I hoping well have the heads up.  I check the update news often.
 
We will hear about the clusters before it hits the T.V. news...Did you hear about all the cluster in Indonesia on the news...I did but, days after I heard it here. 
 
When I get home I'll bleach the bath tubs again and fill 2 of them.  1 will be for bathing.  All containers that hold water will be filled and treated with bleach Including the campers reservoir.  Kids will be helping..Laundry will be done.
 
This should run smoothly...
 
 
 
 
 
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I think filling 2 carts at the same time would not be a good idea.  If other people in the store are nervous and edgy because they are not sure what will happen that might just be enough to drive them into a panic.  If I went to make a "last run" as TSHTF I would just calmly fill a cart up and if anyone asks I would try to shrug it off that everything is probably ok and I just doing it as a precaution. 
 
I think it is very possible the debit/credit authorization system will go down.  If people all over the country start making huge withdrawals from ATM's I think they will take the system offline so the banks don't fail. 
 
I wonder if it is possible that the ATM's might literally run out of cash to dispense.  Also, alot of debit cards have a maximum cash amount you can take out per day.  Do you know how much that is for your card?  Having alot of cash of hand is one area where my preperation is weak.  I keep saying I am going to start taking some out every week but I have not done it yet.  I worry about what if someone broke in and found it, or heaven forbid if I were to have a fire. 
 
 
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I am prepping now. I will take my 401 k out and put into my savings account 2 earn interest and at first sign of pandemic panic, maybe even before that cause we here will probably know pandemics underway before most people. I will then withdrawn it low bills. Keep it in my safe if I need 2 use it.Another thing U might want 2 do is HAVE COPIES OF ALL IMPORTANT PAPERS, SS #, insurance, birth certificate, drivers lisence, life insurance, stocks, bonds, ect. Plasic baggy them 4 protection. Then when TSHF I will fill all my containers with water, another idea 4 water is 2 buy a few  large garbage cans and plastic cover them so U get no evaperation.
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I will call my DH at work with the same code word you are using, but since I have to go thru an operator to reach him, the code is I found the book, Alas Babaloyn that he was looking for,please get message to him. He will top off his truck (2 tanks we now keep 3/4 full all the time) and come home and start filling up  55 gal water containers. I will go the the local fruit stand with cash we have on hand and get as much fresh fruit and vegetabels that I can purchase and bring home. As soon as finish leaving the message for my DH, I will call our son who is 4-5 hours away and tell him it is now time to come home (another code we have come up with) he will go home get his wife, two kids, their dog and all the food they have in the house, load it in their car and truck and hope to be at our house in 8-12 hrs. We will also make a 1 time offer to our daughter who does not believe anything will happen and in fact states that she could not stay at our house for  a long period of time because she loves to party, so she is told she has 4 hrs. to get her stuff together and she cannot leave after she gets here , she is in fact 34 yrs. old. I f she comes later we have purchased a tent with sleeping bags, etc., but she is unaware of that. I hate to enable the panic to get worse, but I will also call my mom and sister whom I have talked to about this, with no positive response from them to date, and let them know that we are in fact SIP and they need to get some stuff for the long haul. I will not open my home to them, but have put back some extra food (rice and beans) for them to pick up on my front poarch on a table far away from the front door. We will then be back at the house I am hoping 3 hrs. at the max after we make the decision that we SIP, and then we will be ever villigant. Oh, I don't have to worry about the school situation, as we are already home=schooling and he is aware of all of this as  we have made decisions as a family with him included (11 yr. odl male-very mature). My biggest concern is how will we really know when to take this plan into action?
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Whyare you using code words? Why not BF is here, that could be a friend. Alas Babylon is so well known. If your goal is secrecy. I would never wait until the last minute to get supplies, I dont think people are going to react like nuts at first, because they will not be able to fathom it. It took most of us some time on here, before we could grasp the full potential enormity of this all. I have been cleaning and saving two litre bottles. I dont think we will be out of water at all for a couple weeks. My take is that, people will have to start to die in large numbers or the news will have to be bleak before most Americans accept it. I am hoping by the time it is anounced it is h2h I am already, because I believe it will be amongst us before it is anounced. I hope I am wrong.
My daughter works for American Express and they are planning to have their workers work from home, and they have had this plan for months, so they are not planning on shutting card use down.
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FYI for lady planning to use goats; I tried it with Y2K...disaster!
 
Dogs got in fence and killed 2 babies the first night! (We were in a very nice nieghborhood with 3 acre lots and "No farm animal" covenants.) Mama and eventually a new Billy goat made new babies...1 died in childbirth, other baby lived and was adorable. Very difficult to miilk and ate absolutely everything! Including siding, fencing etc. VERY LOUD bleating and chronic health problems. Billy was too sick...finally gave Mama and last baby back to farmer I bought them from
WHEW! Very hard although they did eat up kudsoo and honeysuckle. Milk tasted great...just lots of work!
It was a truly "green acres" experience for us...
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The reason a code word for my DH is that he receives his messages from an operator at his job, leaving a message that a pandemic is on the way is not very feasable in his type of work, granted he is only in sales, but way to much explaining to be done. This way I know he has gotten the info and we will begin our plan without alot of delay. Panic info where I live travels fast, example: hurricanes, within 1 hr of projected path, shelves are cleared and panic ensuses with gas stations and long lines. I am trying to avoid all of this, I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to inform people, with no results to date. I will not take the time at this most crucial of times explaining now they need to get their stuff together as what I have been talking about to them is now here.
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Frankiew, I agree, that's exactly why we're using code words.  We live in the mountains, and anytime there's an expected hard freeze heading our way, or weather that could produce a lot of snow/ice the shelves at the stores are bare.  We've only got a few small chain stores as it is, and people drive in 30 miles to them, but they go amazingly quick. 
I've tried warning my friends... they think I'm nuts now.  I've gotten very depressed about it, and they really have lost some respect for me and I see them sort of through different eyes now as well.  My parents are preparing, they've got 275 gallons on gas already, solar panels, the works, and always have been survivalists (that's where I get it from) but we won't go there as they're too close to a major city.  They are so prepared in some ways, and totally mentally unable to accept the fact that they will be over-run by the hoarde from the city. 
MaryJ, that is good info on the goats... boy, does that make me think about that, we're in a neighborhood full of dogs, and they're not restrained... we've got a fence around our property, but you're right, they can dig under.
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Would not a more sedate code phrase like "Pick up dinner on your way home", be better thn "Alas Babylon" or something equally strange to the person taking the message?

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We went through all of that... with kids him picking up dinner, milk, a broken arm, all sorts of key words, then just went back to the oddest one we knew that was one that my family had used as a TSHHTF word, and that's what is working for us.  If I called and said my kid had sucked on a rabbit's foot that day, or the guinea pig was loose in the house again, he'd not know it it wasn't real as with kids, anything is possible!!!  :-)
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For those of you with friends or family who wouldn't listen before and panic the last 24 hours, here's a good link I found on Wiki on what someone should do "in the last 24 hours" that hasn't been prepping. 
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Originally posted by 4abbie&maddie 4abbie&maddie wrote:

We went through all of that... with kids him picking up dinner, milk, a broken arm, all sorts of key words, then just went back to the oddest one we knew that was one that my family had used as a TSHHTF word, and that's what is working for us.  If I called and said my kid had sucked on a rabbit's foot that day, or the guinea pig was loose in the house again, he'd not know it it wasn't real as with kids, anything is possible!!!  :-)
 
Just do what works for you and your family.....I really don't think many people will know.  I for one had no idea what your phrase meant.  I never heard of the book in my life and I am a avid reader.Wink
 
My DH and I have "strange" words also and no one has a clue what we are saying to each other.
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A phrase such as pick up dinner on the way home is a normal statement in our family about once a week. We are quite happy with our code word, and why is  it bothering so many people? The only person it will affect is my DH and the operator does not have time to decode a message, she just delivers it. I will probably get to talk to my DH on the phone and relay what is going on, but if he is tied up, I will leave that message resting assured that he will know what I am talking about and will not have to call back and find out time consuming info. Again, this is if we here on the forum have a 24 hr. leeway, I am praying that we will, but again my question to all of this is, how will we be able to know, are we to rely on main stream media, or what we are able to glean out of the info. we get on different sites? I check this forum and another one, and have several different sites with news info. that I check daily. I guess ultimately it will have to be me and my family's decision when we will start  a 24 hr. plan  to sip.
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If you haven't discovered this web site, it's good for immediate news releases on avian/bird flu, it's gleamed from media sources all around the world on a continual 24 hour, round the clock basis:  http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Bird+Flu
 
I check it even before I check this one.... I hope between these two sites, which I check twice a day, I'll catch it before others catch on.
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Not being prepared for this is an act of gross negligence. we survived a health scare this month and have a plan and have a close friend who we trust who is going to move in with us. We have a couple of places that we can go to and hide out. this guy is armed to the teeth and is very helpful to us. He understands the situation that we wll find oursleves in. This guy has plenty of ammo and guns.
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I also have my list already made.  It's mostly to top everything off, and to the get the perishables you can't store.  I'm sorry to say that most of my family thinks I'm off the deep end.  Most live in Hurricane country so that have something, maybe 2 weeks worth.  All I can do is warn them.   
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lass,
 
no power, no banks, no credit cards, no stock market, no t.v., no radio,
no stores, no schools, no churches, no hospitals and no help from fema.
 
it could get bad.
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abbie,
 
have you ever milked a goat or took care of them?
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Originally posted by <FONT face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif color=#00ff00 size=2>  I for one had no idea what your phrase meant.  I never heard of the book in my life and I am a avid reader.<IMG height=17 alt=Wink src=http://www.avianflutalk.com/smileys/smiley2.gif width=17 align=absMiddle border=0></FONT>
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i am an avid reader as well,,never heard of *alas babylon * either, but was telling my husband and he said it was required reading in kentucky school system in the 60's.  i ordered it off amazon and OMG,,,it was a really good read,,,albeit unnerving!
 
 
 
i am an avid reader as well,,never heard of *alas babylon * either, but was telling my husband and he said it was required reading in kentucky school system in the 60's.  i ordered it off amazon and OMG,,,it was a really good read,,,albeit unnerving!
 
 
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Hi vstr,
Yes, I agree with you.
 
Many of my friends went into survival mode just before Y2K, but I didn't.  There was too much money to lose and business is in business to make money not lose it.  I figured that businesses would figure out a way to make things work and they did.
 
Same goes for the BF, but with a difference.  Many people won't want to go to work.  They may be sick or caring for someone who is sick or they won't want to mingle for fear of catching this thing.  That will create the chaos in our society. 
 
I too believe that this thing will be well on us before the authorities let anyone know.  I think that all of us will be at risk initially because of this and only luck will allow us to survive this thing in the first stages.
 
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tigger1:  Nope.  Never touched one other than at a petting zoo with my kids.  But my Grandmother had milking cows (two of them) that I was raised heloing to milk, so I figured they would be similar with the teat and all.  But after reading what MaryJ wrote above, I'm not going to bother with them.... she's right, with the dogs we've got around here the goats wouldn't stand a chance.  Even with our fenced yard, I think we'd lose them pretty quick as I'm sure people will abandon pets for lack of food and there will be packs of hungry dogs looking for a nice, juicy goat steak for dinner.

That's the great thing about this forum, put things out there and bounce it off people and sometimes

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abbi,
 
i am sticking with condensed can milk and powdered milk. if i have no power, i wont have a working fridge. with this kind of milk i can mix up
what i need for the day, with little waste. if it does clabbor(sower), i can make buttermilk biscuits.
i thought there might be a medical need for goat milk ulcer or sensitivity to
cows milk.
 
when you milk a goat you got to kind of hit the goats milk bag to help drain the milk into the teat. then grab the teat at the top and squeeze,
working the teat down. its a little different. now if you got a goat thats a little mean you are in for a day. they have to be milked early in the am and in the evening.
 
my father-in-law had alpine milking goat, she was mean. she was de-horned(horns removed). she saw me one day bent over  picking up hickory nuts. well here she comes. she butted me right in the butt, knocked me at least six feet through the air. her name was peaches, she was something else.
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I feel pretty relaxed about it. When I hear H2H I'm going shopping for the stuff on my last-minute list and I'm going to withdraw the cash I've been saving (in $10s and $20s). That's about it. I'm pretty comfortable with my level of preps (although I intend to continue till I can't go out anymore) and I don't think we'll lose power or water for awhile. I don't think most people will realize right away what's going on so there will still be some time to do things. Mostly I'll be praying and working on trusting God even more than I already do.
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Originally posted by tigger1 tigger1 wrote:

abbi,
 
my father-in-law had alpine milking goat, she was mean. she was de-horned(horns removed). she saw me one day bent over  picking up hickory nuts. well here she comes. she butted me right in the butt, knocked me at least six feet through the air. her name was peaches, she was something else.
 
Oh my!  I really needed a laugh today and I just got it.  Thanks, Tigger.  I love the name "peaches."
 
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