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    Posted: March 03 2009 at 11:58pm
I have seen this posted before and it is on the forum right now. People are looking but not commenting. This is HUGE news people.
How on earth could this have been a accident????? Not to this degree. This has been my fear all along, that the virus was going to be deliberately floated so that a huge percentage of humanity dies. There are wacko nuts out there, with plenty of money who are so into this enviro movement, they would do anything to get rid of earths extra population.  How many of the elite rich died of the first flu pandemic? Look it up? NONE
If this is going to be floated on purpose then the ones doing it, have the vaccine.
Send this to all your senators, to your city news papers. We MUST demand a answer for this. Someone need to explain and be held accountable.
 
NaturalNews) There's a popular medical thriller novel in which a global pandemic is intentionally set off by an evil plot designed to reduce the human population. In the book, a nefarious drug company inserts live avian flu viruses into vaccine materials that are distributed to countries around the world to be injected into patients as "flu shots." Those patients then become carriers for these highly-virulent strains of avian flu which go on to infect the world population and cause widespread death.

There's only one problem with this story: It's not fiction. Or, at least, the part about live avian flu viruses being inserted into vaccine materials isn't fiction. It's happening right now.

Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. has just been caught shipping live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries. The "mistake" (if you can call it that, see below...) was discovered by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada. The World Health Organization was alerted and panic spread throughout the vaccine community as health experts asked the obvious question: How could this have happened?

As published on LifeGen.de (http://www.lifegen.de/newsip/showne...), serious questions like this are being raised:

"Baxter International Inc. in Austria 'unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in 3 neighbouring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease'. Austria, Germany, Slowenia and the Czech Republic - these are the countries in which labs were hit with dangerous viruses. Not by bioterrorist commandos, but by Baxter. In other words: One of the major global pharmaceutical players seems to have lost control over a virus which is considered by many virologists to be one of the components leading some day to a new pandemic."

Or, put another way, Baxter is acting a whole lot like a biological terrorism organization these days, sending deadly viral samples around the world. If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter -- which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world -- getting away with saying, essentially, "Oops?"

But there's a bigger question in all this: How could this company have accidentally mixed LIVE avian flu viruses (both H5N1 and H3N2, the human form) in this vaccine material?

Was the viral contamination intentional?

The shocking answer is that this couldn't have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials.

As explained on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosaf...):

"Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents. This is considered a neutral or warm zone. All procedures involving the manipulation of infectious materials are conducted within biological safety cabinets or other physical containment devices, or by personnel wearing appropriate personal protective clothing and equipment. The laboratory has special engineering and design features."
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Hi abcdefg

I think it is very scary to think about it but bioterrorism (or maybe some perverted bioterrorist test run) would explain a lot here.  Same for the peanut butter scare but I digress.  The question here is whether the alleged perpetrators would  be domestic or foreign.   I don't know what the answer is but I seriously hope the feds are taking it seriously here and in the countries where these samples were sent or used.   I am not sure what we can do beyond consciousness raising, but  certainly the economy is a big distraction from these other concerns. 

Thank you for pointing this out
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I won't argue the conclusions you have reached. But it is worth pointing out that at the time of the 1918 flu epidemic we did not have the ability to target specific individuals to get the flu. It spread through personal contact and not through vaccines. People who lived close together (like soldiers or people in slums) were most likely to get hit. Also people who were under the age of 40 were most likely to get hit. The ultra rich were most likely to be able to afford to distance themselves from others and to be over the age of 40. If they did release a virus on the general population that would spread around the world in about a years time they would be taking a huge risk that they would not be able to avoid it throughout its entire reign. I am also sure that no conspiracy of all the ultra rich existed that was world wide in scope. Some ultra rich people would not have been included in the "inner circle" of such a theoretical group. conspiracy theories abounded at the time and the usual culprit was the Germans as we were in the midsts of a war with them. yet even this theory which people wanted to believer turned out to be unfounded.

If you want to see if ultra rich people were effected by the virus look to see if their children died as the children were not statistically old enough to resist the disease.

P.S. Franklin Roosevelt and President Woodrow Wilson did contract the disease but they survived. Unless we are going to suppose that they had a cure available to no one else then they very well could have died.*, Franklin Roosevelt*, actress Mary Pickford*, and President Woodrow Wilson*.
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I sent an email to Fox news asking why this hasnt recieved any coverage.
Lets see what happens.
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Officials investigate how bird flu viruses were sent to unsuspecting labs
 
Feb. 25, 2009

Officials are trying to get to the bottom of how vaccine manufacturer Baxter International Inc. made "experimental virus material" based on a human flu strain but contaminated with the H5N1 avian flu virus and then distributed it to an Austrian company.

That company, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then disseminated the supposed H3N2 virus product to subcontractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany. Authorities in the four European countries are looking into the incident, and their efforts are being closely watched by the World Health Organization and the European Centre for Disease Control.

Though it appears none of the 36 or 37 people who were exposed to the contaminated product became infected, the incident is being described as "a serious error" on the part of Baxter, which is on the brink of securing a European licence for an H5N1 vaccine. That vaccine is made at a different facility, in the Czech Republic.

"For this particular incident ... the horse did not get out (of the barn)," Dr. Angus Nicoll of the ECDC said from Stockholm.

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We have heard it before.


not so uncommon...

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..."experimental virus material" based on
a human flu strain but contaminated with the

H5N1 avian flu virus.


You can call it contaminated, killed or live... It's out there.

We have to expect all kinds of crazy behavior when a Govt.

tosses Billions at something, it takes on a life of it's own.

As in ill regulated hodge-podge.
 

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Vaccines containing H5N1 are purported to being used-


In Malaysia

Vietnam
 
China

US Military
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According to the New York Times: "

Poultry vaccines, made on the cheap, are not filtered and purified [like human vaccines] to remove bits of bacteria or other viruses.

 
They usually contain whole virus, not just the hemagglutin spike that attaches to cells.

Ok.... from Malaysia we have...

H5N1 WHOLE VIRUS vaccine made in African Green Monkey Cells.
 
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"The vaccine has proven in clinical trials that it is immunogenic against a number of H5N1 viral strains, including those circulating in Asia. ...
AsiaOne - 2 related articles Â»
 

 
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Could it be that someone was paid off in this pharmaceutical company to do this?  How could they get away with it considering that there must have been some sort of quality control.
 
Could it be that a group of elitists did this on purpose in order to reduce the world's population?
 
Whatever the cause, I've just read too much bad stuff about vaccines & quit getting the flu shot several years ago.  Considering that there is no solid evidence that flu vaccines really reduce the number of people who get the flu, why would anyone risk it? 
 
I read that polio and smallpox were on the decline years ago but when the vaccines came out & the number of polio & smallpox cases had risen dramatically afterwards.
 
Some articles to ponder.
 
I once spoke to a guy who had his doctorate in chemistry.  He worked for the government for a couple of years & couldn't wait to get out.  He said he feared for his life and couldn't deal with the stress.  He said that even after he got out of government work, he was afraid.
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.He said that even after he got out of government work, he was afraid.
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 Are they just accident prone?
 
 
The deaths include a carjacking, a dizzy spell, a couple of strokes, a pagan stabbing, a nitrogen exposure, a half naked chair wedging, a murder-suicide, a car accident, and a plane crash. I find it all more than a bit suspicious.
 
 
 
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    Friends,
    This was not a vaccine that Baxter sent out, it was a recombination of two virus, the deadly H5N1 and a much easier caught, common Avain virus that has been in ciruclation in humans for years. What they may have done here is what we have feared for many years. Created the perfect storm.
    So far this virus does not easily infect humans, those catching it are pretty much living with livestock. 
    The reason we become concerned every year at flu time, is the threat of the H5N1 recombining with the yearly flu virus and thus a super flu is born.
    Baxter did not advise the people they sent this live recombined virus to what it was. It had to have been labeled as something else. Articles say they were going to begin human trials with it.  Because one scientist, tested it on ferrets and the ferrets died, he was alerted to the fact that something was up.
    This is the point in time, when the ferrets died that it was discovered that live H5N! was used.
    WE have all seen what protocols need to be taken in these labs that experiment with the highly toxic germs. We need to demand  to know how this could happen. We need to send letters to our state representatives to Baxter and to news media.
    This company is refusing to discuss this other than to admit that it was live H5N1 which they really had no choice to admit as the other labs could easily confirm it.
    This company manufactures many other products. Including the small pox vaccine that we ramped up to fight terrorist threat to hit us with small pox.
    I have found no evidence of any political power or monied power players that died of the actual influenza. The fact that President Wilson and House were both attending a conference overseas that they attended on a daily basis makes me wonder based on the descriptions of how terrible this flu was if they actually had the 1918 flu.
    If this were then or is now a terrible conspiracy to rid the world of useless feeders as many globalists lovingly refer to them, the power players would have no fears because they would be vaccinated before the virus was even released or it would be too dangerous.
    Globalism and Globalists are two terms that most people have grown to not be too fond of. If you read a lot about history or politics, you know that globalists do not respect nor want individual soverign nations. They want us to all merge.
    There is not enough space or time here to explain it, if you are interested in it, it is easy to google and look at. I am not saying I believe it, I am saying that some of it, sure has caused me to take pause and wonder.
    Below are some facts I learned while researching BAxter labs at their own web site. For those of you who get this it is going to make you wonder also.
     
    Today, more than half of Baxter sales come from non-U.S. markets. Today, the company has more than 250 facilities in 50 countries around the world and its products are used by patients and health-care professionals in more than 100 countries.  they are sure in a position to get the virus circulated around the world.
     
    Baxter is one of five leading health-care companies to create the Global Healthcare Exchange, an independent, Internet-based company that facilitates the exchange of information related to buying, selling and distributing medical equipment, devices and healthcare products and related services worldwide   
     
    Baxter announced that it would participate in the production of approximately 155 million doses of smallpox vaccine for the United States government, in conjunction with Acambis Inc after this story about sending out live bf, you can bet, my family and I are not lining up to get any Baxter vaccines, even if there is no conspiracy they certainly are not competent.

     

     

    Global Inclusion Council

     

    Baxter established a Global Inclusion Council that provides thought leadership, guidance and support to enhance Baxter’s inclusive culture. Composed of leaders from the company’s businesses, regions and functions around the world, the Council’s charter is to:

    • Promote and advocate Baxter’s inclusion philosophy and initiatives;
    • Identify issues and barriers in the workplace that could impact an inclusive culture;
    • Recommend new ideas or initiatives to accelerate an inclusive culture;
    • Identify opportunities to leverage existing initiatives across the company; and
    • Ensure inclusion initiatives align to Baxter’s business priorities.

     

    In 2008 the quality of blood thinning products produced by Baxter was brought into question when they were linked to 19 deaths in the US.[2] Upon inspection one of the raw ingredients used by Baxter were found to be contaminated - between 5 and 20 percent - with a substance that was similar, but not identical, to the ingredient itself. Enough for them to be considered sub-potent and thus unsuitable for use. Baxter did not pick up on the contamination until after the FDA became involved.[3][4][5]
     
    Investigation into the contamination has focused on raw heparin produced by Changzhou Scientific Protein Laboratories, a China based branch of Scientific Protein Laboratories, based in Waunakee, Wisconsin. Due to procedural errors Changzhou SPL's facilities was never subject to an inspection by US FDA official, as required by FDA rules. The factory's products were also never certified as safe for use in pharmaceutical products by Chinese FDA officials as Changzhou SPL was itself registered as a chemical company and not a drugs manufacturer
     
     
     
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    Letter I wrote to Baxter.
     
     
    To whom it may concern:
     
    As you may or may not be aware tens of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of people around the world are very concerned right now about the H5N1 Avian Bird flu virus that at this time appears to be mainly found in birds in Asia and Egypt.
     
    We are aware that at this time the ability of the virus to infect from one human being to another if it exists at all is extremely rare and limited. The infection of most people resulting in their exposure to infected birds.
     
    This is typically in third world countries where living standards are not similar to those in western nations.
     
    We are also aware as large boards have been established on the Internet to follow daily news in regard to this deadly Avian H5N1 virus on a day to day, if not minute to minute basis through the various web sites that are monitoring this situation around the world.
     
    The American public through these various web sites has gained tremendous insight with the problem of a catastrophic pandemic influenza that could become easily transmittable from one human to another. Discussions have been held in the vein of preparedness that our American government advised several years ago as H5N1 was developing. The then head of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson went from state to state, delivering the same speech over and over simply changing the names of the states to fit his various destinations he was visiting and the statistical numbers based on history of the state he was speaking at the time.
     
    Mr. Thompson's message was for the American Public to prepare for a worse case scenario with a pandemic flu. He would tell his audience, of the people who had died in the last severe pandemic in America which was the Spanish (Avian) flu of 1918. He would give the citizens numbers of those who had died in the pandemic from that particular state he was visiting, and then he would ask the question, if this has happened before, is there any reason we should believe it can not happen again?
     
    Because of Mr. Thompson's campaign and stories in the news media and survival boards on the Internet, the public is aware of the grave risk that a fast spreading easily contagious form of H5N! would cause. We are all also aware that many companies are in competition to develop a vaccine or a means to stop this threat to mankind. If statistics remain the same, at least 60% and closer to 85% of the worlds population would be killed if the H5N! virus were to be capable of easily infecting humans. With the rapid transportation of the day and time we live in, where it first started would be of little consequence as it would be around the globe within two weeks time.
     
    This disease similar to the 1918 Spanish flu, would kill mostly young healthy adults in the prime of their lives due to what scientists call a cytokene storm, the bodies means of trying to rid itself of something terribly infectious would begin to work so hard to heal itself that it would virtually kill its host. As you at Baxter are well aware of, this 1918 flu that wreaked havoc on the world at the time, would pale in comparison to the this new H5N1 virus.  This current virus H5N1 could be more accurately described as the Andromeda strain.
     
    Most Americans are very aware of the protocols that are required for laboratories that work with these deadly germs.
     
    Knowing all this information and much more, we as the public have heard from Internet news sites that Baxter Laboratories out of Deerfiled ILL. released to their affiliates in Austria and Romania a large portion of live H5N1 virus that had be recombined with a common Avian virus that is easily caught by humans.
     
    It is this very type of recombination that people have feared for the last several years, something that has not happened in the natural world. Something that Baxter Labs did on their own. Had it not been for people in other countries discovering the grave mistake that Baxter made, it is very probable that a plague worse then any other in history, could at this moment be circling the globe.
     
    Baxter Labratories has refused to make public comment on this incident other then to confirm themselves that this was indeed live H5N1 virus. The Internet reports that this is a big story in Europe. That is hard to discern from here in the USA.  This information must be widely known around the world. Since the world would be effected and everyone in it, needs to know of the terrible mistake made by Baxter Labs that could have resulted in the deaths of as much as eighty percent of the worlds population. For that to not be discussed for the worlds global population to not be told how such a mistake could have been made is nothing less then criminal. Already many articles appear stating that this was not a mistake but a deliberate move on the part of a company that would seek to eliminate a large part of the human population. The question you must ask yourselves as employees at all levels of Baxter Laboratories is first and foremost could this have been a deliberate attack by someone in your employ.
     
    What is very disconcerting for many people as they easily research your company, the products you sell, the many other companies you have merged with and acquired over the years you have been in business, is how a "mistake" of such magnitude could have ever happened. Please realize that your silence only fuels rumors.
     
    This is but one of the many facts that your own company web site reveals about your business. "Baxter announced that it would participate in the production of approximately 155 million doses of smallpox vaccine for the United States government, in conjunction with Acambis Inc". 
     
    I feel the need to ask you who do you believe would allow themselves or their family members to ever be vaccinated by a product produced by a laboratory that has made such a unprecedented historical error as your company has?
     
    Baxter of course makes many other products in the medical field all listed on your own Web site. I intend to copy this list and inform my physicians and advise my family and friends to do the same, and insist that under no circumstances should any Baxter product ever be used in treatment for any illness that my family or I should encounter. To use Baxter products in light of such gross irresponsibility by your company would be insane.
     
    You may wish to make public statements and include a no holds barred investigation into the incidents leading to this grievous error, as these lists of products, email address, circulate around the world via the Internet even faster then the H5N! virus. The quickest way overseas these days is by Internet travel, so the fact that the majority of your business is in foreign countries is not going to be a saving grace for your company.
     
    May God have mercy on the souls of anyone who would have knowingly chosen to try to infect the worlds population with a deadly virus. The one true certainty that gives millions of us comfort is knowing that a sovereign Jehovah God has intervened on behalf of mankind by exposing this most dangerous situation.  There is always a silver lining in every cloud, through Baxter Laboratories mistake, many will praise  the only True God Jehovah, the great IAM for saving his people.
     
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    WE in the U.S. will be dependent on someone to make a vaccine after tshtf. That could take as long as six months and then the most likely producer is in France. I expect we would be waiting in line to get the vaccine.

    Because Baxter just either screwed up (most likely) or was caught (less likely) they may very will lose out on being on the forefront of developing the vaccine the world will need. It will go to France after all. So much for other people being the one's on the waiting list.
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    Originally posted by Elver Elver wrote:

    Considering that there is no solid evidence that flu vaccines really reduce the number of people who get the flu, why would anyone risk it? 
     



    When my first child was born I had heard that one of the vaccines on the schedule carried a high risk of actually causing death. I spent considerable amount of time investigating whether or not vaccines actually worked. They do, and the risk of the vaccine is less than the risk of the disease.

    Today in response to your post I did a few minutes of searching to see if there was any evidence that flu shots do not reduce the number of people who get the flu in a normal population. I found none. What I did find is a number of articles discussing the various situations in which it is not effective or less effective for certain people. I also found some people who made the claim that it did not work (at all) but they based their large claim on the small fact that there are some people for whom it is less effective.

    There are limits to what flu Vaccines can do but don't confuse limits with being completely useless.
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    You won't find many studies about the effectiveness of flu shots in general since those studies were done a long time ago and no one wants to repeat studies that have been finished for a long time.

    But the nasal vaccine is new and people are doing studies on those:

    http://www.umm.edu/news/releases/fluvac.htm

    The relevant quote:

    "Only one percent of the 1,070 children who received the vaccine developed culture-confirmed influenza during last year's flu season, compared to 18 percent of 532 children the same age who received a placebo."


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    P.S. The people who are disseminating the information that vaccines don't work are the same people who are selling products with no active ingredient as a cure for just about everything.If you are going to believe what they say then you might as well believe them when they say that germs are not the cause of illness. And if germs are not the cause of illness then sheltering in place is also useless as a defense against flu.
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    Dr. Who,
    I am not sure who you are talking to. This is not a thread about the use of vaccines or whether they are good or bad. I personally would take a vaccine in a heartbeat and I do.
    This is about a company Baxter who produced anything but a vaccine, what they did was take live H5NI and combine it with a different virus that is something people catch very easy.
     
    What they did in essense was to create what has not happened yet in nature a combination of the deadly virus with one easily caught. Then they sent it to labs in Europe the people working at those labs were led ti believe this was a non lethal common virus they were working with.
     
    What could have happened was a infection of the lab personel and the begining of a deadly pandemic.
     
    What we want to know is how in the world a experienced company such as Baxter could have made such a deadly mistake. They have fully admitted that they did do it.
     
    Some people are claiming it was no mistake.
     
    Baxter makes most of its vaccine for Europeans, even though they are located in the USA.
     
    Exposing Baxter labs for this unexcusable mistake is not effecting our ability to get  a vaccine and fight bird flu at all. Who in their right mind would want to put a vaccine in their body from that company?
     
    During world war one, there was a big controversy over whether or not Germany made the 1918 flu virus, they had just introduced Bayer Aspirin. That was never proven and I doubt was true.  There is no connection between that and this mistake either, as Baxter has admitted they did this recombination, Bayer always denied it.
     
    Let us not allow this subject to get changed and the focus be off of what has happened here. This is in my opinion one of the single most important events in the history of the H5N! virus.  Man not nature could have spread it by effectively combining it with a easy to catch virus.
     
    Other then admitting they did indeed do this, they are saying nothing else. Which of us, could go to our jobs and make something so deadly that it could wipe out sixty percent or better of the entire worlds population and then say yeah we admit we did it, and then say nothing else???? 
     
    We must demand a explination for this and those acBLEEPable to step forward and be dealt with.
     
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    I dont believe this story at all. Theres no proof of this.
    Everyday is a good day and if you dont believe that try missing one.
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    How about a little African Green Monkey with that tea?
     
     
    Hiya... the H5N1 strains they work with...are the deadly H5N1.
    They use reverse genetics to modify it (so it won't kill.)
    And give this to Companies to make into vaccine.
    Pre-pandemic vaccine combines the wild deadly
    type virus with aspects of a human virus.
    The A/PR8/34 mentioned below is human.
     
     
    New candidate vaccine viruses
     
    Viruses representative of subclade 1 (A/Indonesia/5/2005) and subclade 2 (A/Bar
    headed goose/Qinghai/1A/2005, A/Whooper swan/Mongolia/244/2005 and
    A/turkey/Turkey/1/2005) were selected for the preparation of reverse genetics
    modified reassortant vaccine viruses using the laboratory reference strain A/PR8/34 as
    donor of the polymerase, nucleoprotein, matrix and non-structural protein genes. HI
    analysis confirmed that the reassortant candidate vaccine viruses were antigenically
    similar to the parent viruses and the majority of recent isolates within the same clade.
    On the basis of more recent data, a subclade 3 vaccine virus is also being prepared
    from A/Anhui/1/2005.
     
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    Baxter has admitted to doing this, so are you saying you do not believe their own confession? Here is a story about this from a different news site.
     
    Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries 

    http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html


    There's a popular medical thriller novel in which a global pandemic is intentionally set off by an evil plot designed to reduce the human population. In the book, a nefarious drug company inserts live avian flu viruses into vaccine materials that are distributed to countries around the world to be injected into patients as "flu shots." Those patients then become carriers for these highly-virulent strains of avian flu which go on to infect the world population and cause widespread death.

    There's only one problem with this story: It's not fiction. Or, at least, the part about live avian flu viruses being inserted into vaccine materials isn't fiction. It's happening right now.

    Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. has just been caught shipping live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries. The "mistake" (if you can call it that, see below...) was discovered by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada. The World Health Organization was alerted and panic spread throughout the vaccine community as health experts asked the obvious question: How could this have happened?

    "Baxter International Inc. in Austria 'unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in 3 neighbouring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease'. Austria, Germany, Slowenia and the Czech Republic - these are the countries in which labs were hit with dangerous viruses. Not by bioterrorist commandos, but by Baxter. In other words: One of the major global pharmaceutical players seems to have lost control over a virus which is considered by many virologists to be one of the components leading some day to a new pandemic."

    Or, put another way, Baxter is acting a whole lot like a biological terrorism organization these days, sending deadly viral samples around the world. If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter -- which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world -- getting away with saying, essentially, "Oops?"

    But there's a bigger question in all this: How could this company have accidentally mixed LIVE avian flu viruses (both H5N1 and H3N2, the human form) in this vaccine material?

    Was the viral contamination intentional?

    The shocking answer is that this couldn't have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials.

    As explained on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosaf...):

    "Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents. This is considered a neutral or warm zone. All procedures involving the manipulation of infectious materials are conducted within biological safety cabinets or other physical containment devices, or by personnel wearing appropriate personal protective clothing and equipment. The laboratory has special engineering and design features." 

    Under the BSL3 code of conduct, it is impossible for live avian flu viruses to contaminate production vaccine materials that are shipped out to vendors around the world.

    This leaves only two possibilities that explain these events:

    Possibility #1: Baxter isn't following BSL3 safety guidelines or is so sloppy in following them that it can make monumental mistakes that threaten the safety of the entire human race. And if that's the case, then why are we injecting our children with vaccines made from Baxter's materials?

    Possibility #2: A rogue employee (or an evil plot from the top management) is present at Baxter, whereby live avian flu viruses were intentionally placed into the vaccine materials in the hope that such materials might be injected into humans and set off a global bird flu pandemic.

    It just so happens that a global bird flu pandemic would sell a LOT of bird flu vaccines. Although some naive people have a hard time believing that corporations would endanger human beings to make money, this is precisely the way corporations now behave in America's ethically-challenged free-market environment. (Remember Enron? Exxon? Merck? DuPont? Monsanto? Need I go on?)

    Make no mistake: Spreading bird flu is a clever way to create demand for bird flu vaccines, and we've all seen very clearly how drug companies first market the problem and then "leap to the rescue" by selling the solution. (Disease mongering of ADHD, bipolar disorder, etc.)

    Why it all suddenly makes sense

    Until today, I would not have personally believed such a story. I personally thought talk of bird flu vaccines being "weaponized" was just alarmist hype. But now, in light of the fact that LIVE bird flu viruses are being openly found in vaccine materials that are distributed around the world, I must admit the evidence is increasingly compelling that something extremely dangerous is afoot.

    Baxter, through either its mistakes or its evil intentions, just put the safety of the entire human race at risk. Given all the laboratory protocols put in place to prevent this kind of thing, it is difficult to believe this was just a mistake.

    There is some speculation, in fact, that the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed up to 50 million people worldwide , was intentionally started by injecting servicemen with "experimental" flu vaccines that actually contained live, "weaponized" flu material just like the material being distributed by Baxter today.

    Examine the historical record. You'll find that the 1918 flu originated with servicemen. Even more interestingly, it began in multiple cities, simultaneously! There is no single point of origin with the 1918 flu. It appears to have "spontaneously" sprung up across multiple cities all at once, including a military base in Kansas. (Kansas? Yep. So how did it get to Kansas in an era when air traffic was virtually non-existent? Vaccines, of course!)

    All those cities and servicemen have one thing in common: Flu shot vaccinations given to them by the military.

    If you put the pieces together on this, it's not too difficult to suspect that influenza could potentially be used as a tool of control by governments or drug companies to catalyze outrageous profit-taking or power grabbing agendas. A desperate, infected population will gladly give up anything or pay anything for the promise of being cured.

    Or was it just an innocent mistake? Oops!

    But for the skeptics who dismiss any such talk of conspiracy theories, let's examine the other possibility: That a global avian flu pandemic was nearly unleashed unintentionally due to the outrageous incompetence of the companies handling these viral strains.

    As we just saw, this is a very real possibility. Had this live bird flu virus not been detected, it could have very easily found its way into vaccines that were injected into human beings. And this, in turn, could have unleashed a global avian flu pandemic.

    If the drug companies making and handling these materials are so careless, then it seems like it's only a matter of time before something slips through the safety precautions again and gets unleashed into the wild. And that leads to essentially the same scenario: A global pandemic, widespread death, health care failures and a desperate population begging for vaccines.

    So either way -- whether it's intentional or not -- you essentially get the same result.

    Why a global pandemic is only a matter of time

    I am on the record stating that a global pandemic is only a matter of time. The living conditions under which humans have placed themselves (crowded cities, suppressed immune systems, etc.) are ideal for the spread of infectious disease. But I never dreamed drug companies could actually be accelerating the pandemic timeline by contaminating vaccine materials with live avian flu viruses known to be highly infectious to humans. This, it seems, is a whole new cause for concern.

    You can believe what you will. Maybe you agree with the nefarious plot theory and you agree that corporations are capable of great evils in their quest for profits. Or perhaps you can't accept that, so you go with the "accidental contamination" theory, in which your beliefs describe a very dangerous world where biohazard safety protocols are insufficient to protect us from all the crazy viral strains being toyed with at drug companies and government labs all across the world.

    In either case, the world is not a very safe place when deadly viral strains are placed in the hands of the inept.

    We are like children playing God with Mother Nature, rolling the dice in a global game of Viral Roulette where the odds are not in our favor. With companies like Baxter engaged in behaviors that are just begging to see the human race devastated by a global pandemic wipeout, it might be a good time to question the sanity of using viral strains in vaccines in the first place.

    Vaccine-pushing scientists are so proud of their vaccines. They think they've conquered Mother Nature. Imagine their surprise when one day they learn they have actually killed 100 million human beings by unleashing a global pandemic.

    We came close to it this week. A global pandemic may have just been averted by the thinnest of margins. Yet people go on with their lives, oblivious to what nearly happened.

    What's inescapable at this point is the fact that the threat of a pandemic that looms for all of human civilization, and that drug companies may, themselves, be the source of that threat.

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    Originally posted by abcdefg abcdefg wrote:

    Dr. Who,
    I am not sure who you are talking to.

     


    I was talking to Elver who said that vaccines do not work.

    And I was talking to you when you said that the elite did not get sick in 1918 implying that a conspiracy is afoot.

    I never denied that the mistake was made.

    We won't be able to reach any sound conclusions if we get the good facts all mixed up with the stuff about vaccines not working. By pointing out the stuff that should be disregarded in our debate we can all arrive at a better conclusion.

    I agree the virus was in the vaccine. I too would like to know why and how.
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    Bird Flu Accidentally Sent As Vaccine

    Officials at the World Health Organization and and the European Centre for Disease Control have launched an investigation into how live Avian Bird Flu virus (both H5N1 and H3N2) was accidentally shipped to 18 countries as Bird Flu vaccine.

    Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. accidentally sent an “experimental virus material,” which mixed H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, to an Austrian research firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology in late December. That company then shipped portions of the mixture to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany.

    Subcontractors in the Czech Republic caught the error in early February when testing the shipment on ferrets. The animals died from the inoculation, indicating a live Bird Flu virus.

    Officials say the 37 people who were exposed to the virus have so far not shown any signs of infection. However, an Austrian news article from February 11 reports a Vienna hospital treated 19 outpatients on February 9 because of exposure to “bird flu virus.” The article said no one was sick, there was no evidence of infection, and the females were prophylaxed with antivirals (presumably Tamiflu).

    People infected with a mixture of H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could become incubators for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.

    Baxter International Inc. follows a BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) protocol which prevents the cross-contamination of materials. “It was a combination of just the process itself, (and) technical and human error in this procedure,” said Christopher Bona, Baxter’s director of global bioscience communications. Bona would not give any more information due to “trade secrets”.

    The mishap comes at an unfortunate time for Baxter International Inc., which was just about to secure a Euopean-wide license for the Avian Bird Flu vaccine.

    Posted in War On Terror. Tagged with Avian Bird Flu, Baxter International Inc, mix up, vaccine, virus.

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    What concerns me among other things, this happened in Dec. it was not reported or found out until March.
     
    Is this a innocent mistake, we will never know, as experts in other articles have said it is doubtful.
     
    I believe in vaccines, I believe that all medication has side effects, but for the most part it does good not bad. If this was a mistake it was a huge one. It is amazing that if it happened in Dec. someone has not been fired for it already so that Baxter could step forward and say, yes this happened and here is what we have done about it. It is as if they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar with nothing to say and just a dumb look on their faces.
     
    Just a few days ago it was reported on the news that a Asteriod came to within 40,000 miles of planet earth.  Nothing was said until it passed. I read last night that the gravitational force could pull it back also. If the government knew three days in advance which they say they did, why do they keep this from the people? In space travel 40,000 miles is not much.
     
    I know they want to avoid mass panic, but do they not see that when they say nothing and it gets out, people no longer trust them anymore.? How dense is our government and I do not mean Obama I mean all of it both parties it is no different with either one.
     
    I think this may sound stupid, but people have the right to panic. LOL if you want to get out of Dodge because you live in a pacific ocean city and you dont want to take the chance and you are willing to loose the pay by taking off of work and skipping town for a day or two that is your right. I personally resent that the government picks and chooses what we get to know and what we do not. I get it in cases of security risk I am talking about our own safety.
     
    Here we are prepping thinking we have a better handle on this then most, and we find out that nineteen people who were exposed to a recombined deadly Avian virus were treated and released from the hospital amongst everyone. No choice given to us if we wanted to be in contact with those people or not.  Would safety alone not merit under the circumstances of such a grave error they be put in quarentine for a couple weeks to make sure that no one got ill before they released them to the general publilc???
     
    I am so sick of the lies and coverups and all things government from around the world.
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    Baxter H5N1 Contamination: Causes were a unique combination of process, technical and human errors

    Influenza-Virus:%20Credit:%20NIAIDSince we started our coverage of the Baxter-Contamination Story in Europe shares of the big pharmaceutical company in Deerfield, IL have lost more more than 8 percent in two days,
    as a look at Google Finance reveals. Baxter's Chief of Communications in the US, Christopher Bona, supported our idea for an exclusive interview, so Jutta Brenn-Vogt, Manager Communications at Baxter Deutschland GmbH explained LifeGen.de what really happened with H5N1, and how security measures - not only at Baxter - should work on a global scale.


    LifeGen.de: How and when did Baxter find out about the contamination?



    Brenn-Vogt: A suspicion concerning a potential contamination arose at AVIR Greenhills' contracted lab in the Czech Republic during the late afternoon of Friday, February 6. Baxter was then notified by AVIR Greenhills about this situation in three locations (Slovenia, Czech Republic, Austria) during the early evening of Friday, February 6. The last notification was on February 17 from AVIR Greenhills regarding a laboratory in Germany.

    LifeGen.de: Promed mentions H5N1 and/or H3N2 as contaminants. Could you describe us what exactly happened to the charges?

    Brenn-Vogt: Firstly, the material that was contaminated with H5N1 was not a vaccine, but was an experimental virus material. The impacted material was made at Baxter’s facility in Orth, Austria. It was produced exclusively for laboratory testing for AVIR Greenhills. It was not used for product production or for use in humans.

    The root cause of the incident has been identified. It was due to a unique combination of process, technical and human error in a procedure used for this specific research project in our facility in Austria (Orth). The chances of such a confluence of events repeating itself are virtually impossible. Cross-contamination of commercial product, clinical material or other experimental material has been absolutely excluded. The public health authorities in Austria performed an audit at Baxter’s research facility in Austria and Baxter’s corrective and preventative actions were found appropriate by the auditors. The contamination occurred only during the process for this specific research project for AVIR Greenhills in Baxter’s facility.

    The employees who may have been exposed to this material have gone through a specific examination by infectious disease specialists. These people were tested or considered by disease specialists not to be at risk. The results of all performed tests were negative.

    LifeGen.de: Baxter is handling H5N1 in BSL3 labs. Where is the security lack of the system? In other words: How could the charges get in European 4 countries without intention?

    Brenn-Vogt: As this material was not produced for human use, testing for potential contamination is not routinely carried out. Baxter sent this material to AVIR Greenhills in Austria, they, in turn, reported to us later that they sent it to four labs with whom they contract. As explained above, this was not the result of a lack of security but it was due to a unique combination of process, technical and human error in a procedure used for this specific research project.

    LifeGen.de: Do you think smaller companies like Avir Green Hills Biotechnology should handle Baxter's charges?

    Brenn-Vogt: Baxter is contracted to provide influenza virus material to AVIR Greenhills for that company's use in developing their influenza vaccine. In this case, Baxter produced one component of the influenza vaccine. The individuals working with the experimental material were operating in laboratory containment conditions specifically designed to prevent exposure. We see no need to speculate on how the size of a lab had bearing on this incident.

    LifeGen.de: After the Antrhrax mailings in 2001, which is no Baxter related case, but not less risky, this is the second virological contamination starting directly from the US. How will Baxter prevent future accidents like the one in Europe for the future?

    Brenn-Vogt: Exposure was highly unlikely -- the individuals working with the experimental material were operating in laboratory containment conditions specifically designed to prevent exposure. All H5N1 infections that have been reported to date have been associated with direct exposure to infected poultry/birds.

    As mentioned above, this incident originated in Austria, not the US. The circumstances of the contamination were a unique combination of process, technical and human errors. Cross-contamination of commercial product, clinical material or other experimental material has been absolutely excluded. The public health authorities in Austria performed an audit at Baxter’s research facility in Austria (Feb. 16) and Baxter’s corrective and preventative actions were found appropriate by the auditors. The contamination occurred only during the process for this specific research project for AVIR Greenhills in Baxter’s facility. Further details about the process will not be discussed as it is proprietary information.

    LifeGen.de: Will the contamination in Europe lead to management changes in your company?

    Brenn-Vogt: No.

    questions by Vlad Georgescu
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