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    Posted: May 15 2009 at 7:32am
OK, we have all been prepping and we have lots of flour. But if you run out of yeast then you are stuck with eating only quickbreads and pancakes.

A while ago I came across a site that gave instructions for making your own sour dough starter. I tried it and sure enough I had nice bubbly stuff that would rise just as described. I never made bread with it. I just wanted to know that it would work.

During the recent "practice run" that we call swine flu I thought it might be a good idea to review the instructions. Well, of course I did not have them anymore (my old computer broke and I lost all my bookmarks) and I learned that it is probably best to print stuff that one might want during a sip (the power might be out).

Anyway, here is a link to a site that tells you everything you will want to know about making a sour dough starter and baking sour dough breads:

http://www.sourdoughhome.com/

Please post a comment if you found this helpful.


P.S. I had also found a link to instructions for how to make a "make shift" brick oven just by stacking up bricks (no mortar). Does anyone have a link to this?

But here is a site for "emergency bread making" which tells how to make it in a dutch oven or while camping.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9663798/Emergency-And-Outdoor-Bread-Manual-How-To-Make-Bread-Without-An-Oven

I also once found a recipe once for making bread like some settlers did, on a stick like one would roast marshallows. Does anyone have a link for this?
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I found dry yeast in large 1 and 2 lb. shrink wrapped blocks at Gordon Food Supply.
It's about $2.50 a lb. Very inexpensive. It needs no refrigeration.
Any restaurant / bakery supply should sell it also.
 
I have 2 bread machines I bought at the neighbor's yard sales. If things get bad, I'll make bread for the neighbors. I can't eat much of it as I am borderline  gluten intolerant.
Of course I can't make bread is the grid goes down. ... Fried bread maybe.
 
If some one needs a nice cast iron dutch oven, there is someone selling them new on ebay $24.95....   Looks like he has a lot of them. It's the kind that you can set coals on top of the lid. I think the lid can also be used as a griddle. It has feet on both the pot and the lid.
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I have a bread machine, too, and I try to limit my "gluten" as well, but I do eat some, and love to make it.
 
I got probably 100 3-packs of Yeast, during a sale a few months ago, with my coupons, so I'm set there, but I LOVE sourdough bread, so THANKS for that idea & link.
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I don't know if you're talking about something like this, or not, but we really need something like this!
http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f21/foundation-first-pizza-4-1-2-a-6653.html#post54492                                                                                                                                               
 
 
 
 
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Beautiful, yes, that was exactly what I was looking for.
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Oh, btw, I found the info on making bread on a stick.

It is called bannock bread and it is made several different ways. One of them is to wrap the dough on a large dowel and bake it like roasting a marshmallow. When you take it off the stick it is shaped like a tube and can be stuffed with whatever you want.

Another way is to make a small ball and just impale it then bake, again, like a marshmallow.

Given that there are so many different recipes for Bannock bread I can't recommend one as I don't know if any are any better than any other. I did try it once. My dough was too sticky and it "dripped" off the stick. When I finally finished it we ate it but it clearly had a too smoky flavor. Maybe charcoal briqettes are not best. The recipe I saw said to use the embers of a fire.
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Here's some more links, too
 
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I think this one uses some concrete:
 
 
 
 
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Bread on a stick, awesome! Yea, I bet the charcoal was too much. Probably more like a campfire would work better.
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   That brings back memories. I remember baking dough like that at boy scout camp many years ago. We cooked them over a campfire, spread jam on them and ate them off the stick. It was pretty good as I remember Thumbs%20Up
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  Does anyone know how to store crackers for  long term use/ How long will they stay fresh?  I looked for some in the tin cans at Sam's Club but could't find any.  Thanks for any suggestions.
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Missippi Mama -- I once read here that someone put them in one of those big decorated popcorn tins that are sooo plentiful around Christmas time.  Probably take them out of their original box to get more sleeves of crackers/bags in the tin. Watch for garage sales and Goodwill type places bet you could find them there, maybe even duct tape the edges around the lid may make it more airtight.  Hoosiermom

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Originally posted by Mississippi Mama Mississippi Mama wrote:

  Does anyone know how to store crackers for  long term use/ How long will they stay fresh?  I looked for some in the tin cans at Sam's Club but could't find any.  Thanks for any suggestions.


I put crackers into zip lock bags once the packaging has been opened. I have also been saving the tin cans that McCanns oatmeal comes in so that I can store stuff in them if I need to. And one can buy empty paint cans. I would think that any empty tin can with a lid would work.
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The first time I made sour dough starter it worked well.

This last time it got bubbly but failed to rise, which was a shame since I planned to actually use it this time. As of today I am back to the drawing board and starting over. My directions did say that sometimes one needed to start over.

It might be that I started to feed my starter too soon, or that the top of the fridge was not warm enough, or that I did not have the best flour to start with.

If the problem is the last of those then the solution is to have flour made by different brands in the house so that if one brand does not work another might. I will probably know in a few more days what went wrong if it works this time.
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Ok today my starter seems to be working fine. It got bubbly yesterday and smelled nicely yeasty as well as sour. This time I did not feed it too soon and waited until it had bubbles in it and smelled right. I also did not discard some before feeding it. the directions said if you feed it too soon it gets diluted.

Already it has risen since this morning from 1 1/4 inches to a little over 2 1/2 inches. Whereas the last batch got bubbly eventually but never rose.
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Awesome. Are you doing that deal, where you store it in the fridge? Are you going to be baking these to eat when they're ready, or just storing them for a rainy day (SIP etc.)?
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Mostly it is an exercise in "what can I do." I made sourdough starter once before and it worked fine but I never baked anything with it. This time I decided to actually use it to make bread as I do love sourdough bread.

The new starter is only a few days old (though doubling nicely) so it is too early to bake with it and also too early to store it in the fridge. It seems easy enough to store it in the fridge so I can't see why I would not.

Regarding the exercise: Every time I have had an exercise in prepping I have learned invaluable information. I know for sure that practice is important!! Practice lighting  a fire is important because it is trickier than it looks. Practice living off preps is important. Practice making bread with yeast or making a starter is important, etc. So many things are hard the first time you do them but simple once you have done them a few times. I don't want my first time to be when I have to do things rather than when I want to do them.
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Ah, back to the drawing board.

My starter was doubling in size for two days.

I was doing something right and I might not have even known what it was.

When I began this starter my water filter was broken so rather than use chlorinated water I used some that had previously been filtered and was in the fridge. Because it was cold I warmed it slightly.

Then without thinking about it when I got a new filter I just started using the filtered water from the tap. Coincidentally at the same time I switched from whole wheat flour to white flour.

Well, my starter did not like at least one of the changes because it just stopped doing anything. The wonderful yeasty smell went away and the only smell that was left was the smell of hooch.

By the time I am done my first loaf of sourdough bread will have used 5 pounds of flour, ha.

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With the weather being somewhat seasonably colder than it should be my home has stayed around 69 degrees. My starter has started but it has only doubled on two days. The rest of the time it just sort of sits there with a little action. I think I am going to postpone this experiment until after the weather warms up and my house stays in the 78 degree range.
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Hello, Dr.Who,
 
I am not the recipe specialist, by any means, but have you thought of Herman?  You can keep him in the fridge and I have neglected mine frightfully but you can forget him for up to 10 days I think and he still sits there bubbling away.  He is pretty much dependable unless you forget to feed him for an extended time.  Not sure what his duration would be out of the fridge but if you could figure a way to keep him cool, he might even survive that. 
 
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Yes, I plan to keep mine in the fridge once it gets going. But my recipe said that it would not be ready to use until it is a week old and is doubling in size reliably. Until then there are too many harmful organisms in the stuff.

Hermann? I did not consider giving my a name. What do ya think of Hooch?
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Good one!!!  That's about what it smells like, LOL.
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