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    Posted: March 07 2006 at 3:01pm
Dead crows cause concern for the county


The Enquirer

Several Battle Creek residents have raised concern over about 10 dead
crows found in the parking lot of the Columbia Plaza Shopping Center on
20th Street in front of the Big Lots store Sunday evening.

Mary Dressel of Battle Creek said she was driving on 20th Street with her
husband when she noticed the crows.

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"With the West Nile virus found in crows, we couldn't help but wonder if
these crows were sick, or if anyone checked into it," Dressel said.

Calhoun County epidemiologist Amy Latham doubted the crows died of
West Nile. But she said once information was received about the crows, it
was forwarded onto the environmental health division.

Ted Havens, director of environmental health at the county health
department, said the West Nile virus program coordinator was unable to
collect the bird specimens before the parking lot maintenance staff at
Columbia Plaza disposed of the birds Monday.

Havens said the West Nile virus typically is transmitted by mosquitoes
during the spring and summer months. He also said crows and blue jays
have been infected by the virus more than other bird species.

He said the environmental health division will keep an eye out for other
cases like this.

Kim Signs, a disease epidemiologist with the Michigan Department of
Community Health, said only one dead bird case was reported by the
county health department last year.

The specimen was not tested at state health department facilities, she
said, so the results were unknown.

Anthony Martinez Beven covers health and features. He can be reached at
966-0684 or abeven@battlecr.gannett.com.


Originally published March 7, 2006



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Crows are a highly social being, and live in family units. So maybe they are talking about something?

Our Crows here so far seem normal.

But it sure sounds like the Birds of Hitchcocks movie.

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I don't know, maybe they were a secret cell of AlQuida crows and the CIA
spiked their road kill, in Hong Kong, India and the U.S. March 3, 6,7.
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No shooting off of migratory birds in Russia to ward off avian flu

MOSCOW, March 7 (Itar-Tass) - There will be no shooting of migratory
birds in Russia as a measure to ward off avian flu, the general director of
the Center for Wildlife Protection said at a news conference on Tuesday
referring to instructions by the Rospotrebnadzor consumer rights
watchdog.

“If we shoot off birds, we shall trigger an unpredictable scenario of the
epidemic with our own hands,” Alexei Zimenko said. “Birds will start
looking for quieter areas, while dead or wounded birds
will be a pray of predators and crows
,” he added. This will only
contribute to the spread of the epidemic, the specialist emphasized.
Besides, the shooting operation would be very costly, he said.

The president of the Russian Union for Bird Protection, Viktor Zubakin,
told the news conference that “ornithologists advise not to open a wild
fowl hunting season this year”. “One can contract the virus when
disjointing fowl,” he stressed.

According to the Ministry for Emergency Situations, about 1.5 million
domestic birds have already died of bird flu in Russia. Alone 752,000 of
them have died in February and early in March. A mass arrival of
migratory birds is expected later.

These days, Russians are buying half as much poultry meat as earlier. A
mass vaccination of chickens, ducks and geese will begin in Russia on
March 10.

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Poor crows. But can you blame them? Who does't feel that way after
shopping at Big Lots?
Flu me once, shame on you......
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Crows

I remember reading about a woman who studied crows for years and during all that time, she only noticed one divorce.  Even though that crow couple split up, they still remained social. 

They may be a nuisance, but they really are remarkable birds.  I'm thinking that I'll have to start checking the property each morning so if there are any dead birds, I can dispose of them before our dog picks them up and carries them around like a trophy.  Those of us with dogs should probably be on high alert for dead birds around us, if only to protect our pets.

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We have crows up here and they are nusiance(not as bad as the bears) but still I have noticed less of them this year(this winter)..I usually see them tearing the garbage apart and we have had to put laws(well the higher ups about when the garbage gets put out)...so antways no crows or pigeons at all inthe garbage this winter..are they migratory birds...I really don,t think so we have had less of them up here this winter...could this have effected the young ones last summer..hummmm
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The concern with crows and their cousins the Magpipe, is that they are
carrion that feed on other dead birds and animals.

The theory is that these crows, and the dead crows in Japan, Kenya, Hong
Kong, etc, etc, could have died by eating infected dead birds and not by
posioning. The crows act as an early warning sign.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Corn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2006 at 8:11pm

Good one flumenot.

it's just weird. dead all in the same spot at the same time? surely they would die slightly apart?  maybe they commit some type of family suicide?

Obviously they died suddenly.

Speculation is the only tool we have with a threat that can circle the globe in 30 days. Test results&news is slow.Factor in human conditions,politics, money&bingo!The truth!Facts come after the fact.
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My best friend just called me yesterday about the story in Battle Creek.  She lives across the street from the store.  She never believed me about the bird flu which I have been trying to tell her about for the last year.  She tried to call to have the birds tested and the city officals would do nothing. I again told her of my concerns.  Her last statement was that the goverment is trying to do something about the bird flu. Sometimes I just don't know.
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Think I'll skip the Buzzard Day celebrations in Hinckley, Ohio this year.   

From Wikipedia:

The city became known across Ohio and the United States as the home of the buzzards. On March 15 of every year, buzzards arrive in large flocks at the town, as if on a very exact biological clock. The town began celebrating the arrival of the birds in 1957, and today as many as 50,000 visitors visit the town annually on "Buzzard Day" to witness the arrival of the new residents. The event is used to mark the beginning of spring for Hinckley and the surrounding town.


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10 dead Crows. I have never seen 2 dead Crows together. They did not hit the windows. ( to far from the windows to of hit them ) Crows have exceptional eye sight....

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Unless they were attacked by a West Nile swarm of mosquitos and infected all at the same time and then progressed in the illness to all die at the same time (within seconds of each other since they all died at the same spot.) I am prone to think it was poisoning.

If not that, it could be H5N1 HP.  Not just high pathogenic, but extremely rapid, like the virus that killed those cows in the Ukraine.
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depends on the poison, the rat poison we used takes a week and even then they're not that close to each other like that

 

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