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Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk

TIRED OF WORRYING?

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    Posted: March 11 2006 at 3:54am

QUARANTEENING IS FUTILE!

If this logic doesn't get me thrown of this board nothing will.

I'm tired of worryingI'm tired of preparing.

I am taking the chicken by the horns. I am combating H5N1 head on. How you ask????

                                 THe Poultry Poop Party

I am waiting the first chicken coop that gets it. (U.S). I'm taking off all my cloths and wollow around for couple of hours. Then I am going to get in my car, go home and deal with the flu. (I will seal my house off as to not infect anyone else)

I may die,....... but thats ok,......... I am Buddhist (probably come back as Hong Kong chicken for this one).

WHOS WITH ME?

Sorry It's the pnemonia talking.

I'm going back bed. 

 

  

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araywood...I am so sorry you feel so under the weather.....yes things can pile up especially if you are not well...I to have been fighting the cold and flu bug for a few weeks and as mentioned in a post it is the bug that never end,yes it goes on and on my friends.....

Worrying is of course a natural human tendancy,please do not feel that because you have posted those words that you are a singular....everytime I get a google...everytime I see a new news post in the news room...my heart pounds like thunder,I feel a sense of overwhelmdness....is the news report that will tell that all of our preps where not in vain...

I am so sorry I will have to bow out your Poultry Poop Party..you see I have 3 precious children at my home that I trully pray and pray that should all break lose...you know what I mean...thta I have enough to feed them..that I will at least have enough for a well balanced diet for them..I do not know which would be worse seeing my children die of avian flu or see them die of dehydration,lack of vitamins...

Oh but p.s on the lighter side..when you all decide(thats you and whoever you get on board for the chicken party)..someone take there digital camera and please forward me some pictures..

When we look at the worse case scenario for the avian flu...it can and always be overwhelming...pray that iti s not as bad as our imaginations can conjure up...if you need anything pm me ...we can have a freak out party together...but please wear clothes..

 

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I totally know where your coming from I have two children too. They are both scared to death by this. My daughter is convienced she is going to die. She is 12. Last week she says "dad when i was younger I stole some legos do you think I will go to hell for that". She is now going to church twice a week. I don't know what to tell her. I don't lie to them because I feel it insults there intellegence. I don't tell them everything I know because I don't want to scare them. There children and it pains me so that they will have to deal with this. 

 I've seen bodies stacked like cords of wood. I don't ever want to see that again.It's scars you. It was always nice to come home(U.S.). Where I fell safe.  I am truly terrified about the possible out come of all this.

Thanks for you support!

SORRY IF I OFFEND ANY ONE LAUGHTER IS HOW I DEAL WITH PAIN

HANG IN THERE! SOME HOW WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS

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The fact that your children are thinking they will die is well from YOUR foolish behavior.

Enough of the BF FEAR!
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NO GENIUS MY CHILD KNOWS HOW TO READ! I have done nothing to confirm her fears other than not commenting on the BF and having a full refrigrator.

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I'm in burnout mode. I did go to Costco, I love that place. And along with the prep items, I bought this big ol' gigantic chocolate cake that I plan on eating this entire weekend all by myself. To hell with the couple of extra pounds. The low level anxiety that I have been feeling will burn it off anyway.

I could do the healthy exercise thing to deal with my feelings but today I am opting for chocolate cake.

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Hi araywood!
I agree and think you need to inform the kids on some level- it's only responsible so they aren't blindsided by this. My husband disagrees with me on this. (He disagrees about this whole thing in general but thats a different story.) I tell my girls to be very careful at school and I am starting to instill in them to be aware, not fearful, but aware and cautious. They won't be surprised when we are eating canned food and cooped up in the house when it happens. This is reality and to sugar coat it is doing them a disservice. When they hear stuff on TV and read the newspapers, it's the right thing to do to answer their questions honestly with courage and with a plan!
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I agree with araywood.  Kids are intelligent.  If we treat them like infants they will not be prepared, themselves, and more importantly..they wouldn't want us to.  My kids have enjoyed helping with preps.  We have always been close but I believe that we are even closer now. 

I also hate that they have to face this..that we all have to face this virus, but we really have no choice in the matter, now do we?  It will come when it is ready to get here and it will do whatever it can to survive..just as we will. 

I am honest with my two children, but don't tell them everything either.  I give them updates, but that's all.  I don't want to overwhelm them.  They are teenagers.  Their fear is in loosing me, not their own lives.  Planning is essential for their well-being.  Plans for "what-if."  They know what to do if something should happen to me.  It's like preparing for a fire..by having fire drills.  That's how I have told them to think about it.  They don't want to think about it, but it is best that there is a plan in place, so they can better handle the situation if need be.   I have updated all our contact information and have all of it in a place where they can easiler get to it.   

I also fear loosing my children to BF.  I don't know what I would do without them.  I know that I have done everything humanly possible to keep that from happening, but you never know.   We still do not know enough about the "enemy" to be certain of that.  I also feel overwhelmed at times, but not willing to have that "poutry poop party" either.  A freaking out party is more my game.      But we will have to keep it a secret from the children.  If they knew that I was freaking out, they would too.  Have to keep my cool around them.  As it is, they understand the dangers, and we are all prepared to do battle.      Knowledge is enpowering. 

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.  Peace. 

       

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I hear ya on this one.

Sometimes it feels like we're carrying the weight of the world on our shoulders, ja?  I felt it back during the hurricane Katrina coverage.  I lived in an area that was flooded (Indiana, 1991), many families lives and homes ruined due to a man-made accident.  Bureacratic bungling in the wake made the situaton worse by an order of magnitude, delayed cleanup and rebuilding by 5 months, during which time we were all paying the mortgage on ruined homes and paying rent on an apartment.  Government conveniently absolved themselves for responsibility or liability for the disaster.  So I was seeing it all played out again on an even larger scale.  There was only so much I could take, I had to declare a personal moratorium on Katrina news for a solid week.

My wife recently experienced Bird Flu burnout.  She has been great about prepping, and a leader in helping spread awareness to her friends and co-workers.  But she's tapped out, can't take it anymore... the constant stress of waiting for the next shoe to drop, each piece of news just one more thing to worry over... a kind of chinese water torture for her.  So she's taking a break.  I'm not discussing BF with her nor talking about the BF board here.  I know she'll take a breather, re-gather her strength and be up for more.  It doesn't make her "weak" in my book, just human.  Honestly if somebody can read the news and this board on a daily basis and it doesn't get to them at some point, I really wonder about them.  Maybe to some it's just an intellectual exercise, maybe some are so scarred and hardened that nothing much affects them anymore.

Araywood, I don't know that I agree about the chicken poop wallow, but I do agree that sometimes you just have to laugh.  It's one of the things that will help us keep our sanity.

As far as the kids go, I believe you're correct not to contradict them with false assurances.  Kids are smart, they know when they're being lied to. However, maybe a bit of guidance is called for.  Explain your preps to them, show them that even if the worst of the worst happened, they could sleep safe at home in their beds every night and there is plenty of food and water for months and months.  Acknowledge that the threat is real, but so is your response to it.  Let them know you will take care of them as best you can, and the rest is up to God.  And as I read recently in a post elewhere, don't forget to "prepare for nothing".  Leave room in your lives for some happiness and joy - spend time with the kids, do some fun things.  If BF hits and you can't do things later (like Disneyland) you'll be glad you went NOW.  And if BF doesn't hit?  You'll still be glad you went.  Assuming you already have a decent amount of preps laid in and it won't unduly strain the resources.

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Bruss01 Good advice I went to DWorld this past week w/the family. No phone no computer, no news. Right on. 
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You shouldn't give your kids false assurances, but neither should you always point out the worst case scenario.  We suspect bad times are around the corner, we have prepared for them, so live your life now.  Today is not different from the families that prepared for nuclear war in the 50's.  We can laugh at them, because we have the benefit of hindsight.  We can try to anticipate problems, and be ready for them, but do not let anticipating the problems become the problem.
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araywood, as a child of the 1950s and 1960's, growing up in Florida, I got to experience the Cuban missile crisis up close and personal.

No punches were pulled in the classroom at the time.  We were shown films of nuclear distruction, handed pamplets on radiation sickness, and given civil defense handouts on how to build fallout shelters. Duck & Cover drills, mock evacuations, and fire drills were daily exercises.

I lived very close to McDill AFB, and we could hear planes scramble 24 hours a day. Military vehicles swarmed the streets.  And the fear in my parent's and teacher's eyes was palpable.  I also watched the news each evening with my parents.


I was 8 years old at the time. 

I can't say I was uneffected by all of that, but I was never scared.  I had information!  I knew what was going on.  And I knew my folks would do everyting in their power to save their family.

Kids can handle more than we adults give them credit for.  Of course, sometimes they become traumatized and end up becoming paramedics  (both my twin brother and I succumbed to that fate), but most turn out okay. 

Not suggesting you use the hardcore tactics of the bad ol days on your kids, but I would certainly encourage you to let them talk about their fears, and that you should share with them the preps you are making on their behalf.


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Bravo!! 
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THanks Guys its people like you that make this site what is.

 I think it is my lack of assurance that scares her. Usually I would say "don't worry everything will be alright". It's actually my lack of words.

I say to her "we are very fortunate to live in a country like this that cares about its people, there are alot of countries that don't". There are alot of people try to work on a solution. We have some time". She sees my concern.

What else can I say?????

 On the other side of the coin my son which is 16 says "quaranteen how the hell do they expect me to surf. Thats BS". 6weeks without surf I might as well be dead"

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 hi to all, i too remmenber the 50's 60's , we had drills up here in ct. my single mother tried to prepare in a housing prodject. we had only  a little tv, if your my age 51yrs, you remmenber, poor people had tv's the size of a camping tv, and got maybe 7 chanels,and newspapers, thats it for information. not like today.she  saved water in glass jars and what little food she put by, we where going to shelter in place in the pantry/hallway in back of the kitchen   with no door on it , the only thing she had going for her ,was the buildings were made of brick, and metal walls. people then would say to her if it happens we are coming to your place and laught at her. a welfare mother with 2 kids, now years later we now know how close we really came to the end of the world. i didn't prep for y2k, but i did prep after 911, but this i feel  is the long term get ready,if not this, then look around at world polictics  well thats another debate good luck roxy
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 and by the way ,  i am tired too, but i'll rest after     roxy
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WOW, ROXY... you got 7 channels!

LOL, we had 3 as I recall (and a UHF you could barely watch).

And yes, I'm 51, too.

Sometimes I really miss those old black & while TV's with the rabbit ear antennas, manual tuners, and tiny screens. NOT!

I remember my neighbor being sooo proud of his color tv upgrade. It was a piece of translucent colored plastic he taped over his black and white screen. Top 3rd was blue, Middle was red, and bottom was green.  Only really worked for long shots of Indians standing in a field, but it was something!

Ahh, those were the days.

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 hay fla medic, lived 60 miles from NY. that s where tv used to be made. when the TV was broke, my mom used to take the tubes to the corner store one by one , to test them to find out which one was broke, one by one , alot of trips, but of course, we had no car, foot power. i tell that to the younger crowd , and they really think i'm over the hill lol. but we walked every where, don't know if i can do that again, may be a bike, roxy
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Thanks for the memories, Roxy.

I'd completely forgotten about the old `tube testers' that used to be everywhere.    They used to be a fixture in grocery stores and hardware stores!

At the age of 10, I was the neighborhood TV & Radio repairman.  My dream was to open a TV repair shop (talk about shortsightedness!).  

Ended up fixing people instead.  Messier, but a lot more rewarding!


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We had 1 and then 2 channels only her ein the UK for many years. I
remember 2 channels in the mid-50's. fantastic piece of hardwood funiture
though. Not the sort of thing a thief would get away with today.
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I believe it's actually healthy to keep your kids informed about what's going on & even involve them in prepping, etc .

In the "olden days", everybody in a household worked for the good of that household.

If dad broke his leg & couldn't do the farming for awhile, his children, Jim Bob & Mary Ellen, took over & worked like dogs until dad was up & well again.  The crops got in & life went on.

Was it hard for the kids?  You bet!  Did it make them stronger individuals in the long run?  You bet!

If TSHTF with regard to an influenza pandemic, a terrorism attack, natural disaster, etc., there is nothing I could do to better prepare my children, than to get them informed & involved NOW, before things happen.

I believe that, for the most part, we're raising a bunch of lazy, selfish, useless kids these days.  Sorry, but that's just my opinion.

My kids are adults now (18 & 21) but when they were young, they worked right along side me in our family's cleaning business.   They did not receive a paycheck, but they had everything they needed & a lot of what they wanted too. 

They learned to be responsible, active participants in the hsehold & when they got older, they were able to easily stand on their own two feet & make a way for themselves in this world.

At the age of 18, my youngest daughter owns her own business.  She has her own photography studio & gallary. 

My oldest daughter taught herself computer programming and web  design and, with her little baby son on her lap, is able to work from home.

I rec'd a lot of criticism from others who said that I was working my girls too hard & that it wasn't fair that they had to contribute to the good of the hsehold.   I look at their kids now,  & my kids now & I'm so happy I did things the way I did.

Just my 2 cents worth on this topic.

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Suddenly I'm having Wonderama and, DAvey and Goliath flash backs.
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Yes, I remember the Cuban Crisis and my best friend who had a fallout shelter telling me that I couldn't go down when the bombs fell, I began to wake up about a lot of things...

I was raised on a fam and long ago learned to detest chickens, just plain filthy animals, I never like eating their flesh, but do enjoy eggs.  When I was older I raised  flocks of ducks and geese,  so I will pass on the chicken coop party.

Now speaking of kids, just this morning I had to get some supplies from the garage for my grand daughter, who followed me down, and just couldn't believe all the food, water, and supplies that were there.  I briefly discussed the many dangers of the modern world and that it is prudent to be prepared. 

I then had to tell  her (she's 13) that she must promise not to tell ANYONE about what she saw, for armed people could kill us for what we had.  She DID understand that!

For I told her I was preparing for her as well.  I for one can't give up or give into to fear or frustration, that little girl deserves a chance to live, and by all that I believe is holy, I am going to make that happen.  
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I don't worry about BF, it's interesting to me, to think of different scenarios and how they could play out.

I am concerned about, BF, and the current world situation.

Only things I worry about is paying my bills and my kids well being. If I have both of those BLESSINGS, everything else is fine.
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