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    Posted: November 16 2015 at 3:05pm
The official said previously the fuel trucks were off limits to U.S. military strike aircraft. When asked if the Paris attacks would bring about a change in the U.S. military’s rules of engagement, the official said that the truck drivers were warned first before the bombs fell.
 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/16/us-military-sharing-intelligence-with-france-on-isis-targets-in-syria/?intcmp=hpbt1

So I have this straight in my mind, kill the trucks just not the jihadists driving them.

This is great leadership we have in the US of A, NOT.


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One of the financial income sources for IS is trading oil. They were alowed to sell oil at low prices (a.o.) in Turkey. Another financial source of income is wahabist/salafist groups in the Gulf States that are donating money. 

If the west does not stop that kind of financing what is the point of dropping bombs ? In all wars the first thing to do is limit the possibility for your enemy to buy (or produce) weapons. 
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Spot on, Josh!  Oh-Boy are you right there!
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Turkey, Gulf States, Pakistan (funding the taliban !) are "friends of the west"! With this kind of "friends"you do not need enemies !
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OHC - if we want people on both sides of the political aisles to read and contribute, a less inflammatory title for this post might go a long way. You can criticize without resorting to taunts just as effectively. Not looking to censor anything or tell you what to think - just suggesting a different approach and maybe a different spelling - JD
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Agreed Josh. We have a lot of friends out there that are anything but our allies in reality. They'll cash our checks, but it certainly doesn't buy their allegiance. Pakistan is the one that immediately springs to mind.
Fighting an enemy that is not much more than a guerilla force that uses terrorist tactics is almost impossible with conventional battlefield tactics. They're not a nation state with a geographical location - they move and hide behind civilians. Bombing locations that we believe to be strongholds will have little effect, other than to destroy more communities and further alienate innocent victims. We're going to create a whole new generation of Syrians intent on harming us if we continue to destroy their homeland and turn them away. Another tactic is needed to beat IS, and defunding them absolutely makes far more sense.
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

Agreed Josh. We have a lot of friends out there that are anything but our allies in reality. They'll cash our checks, but it certainly doesn't buy their allegiance. Pakistan is the one that immediately springs to mind.
Fighting an enemy that is not much more than a guerilla force that uses terrorist tactics is almost impossible with conventional battlefield tactics. They're not a nation state with a geographical location - they move and hide behind civilians. Bombing locations that we believe to be strongholds will have little effect, other than to destroy more communities and further alienate innocent victims. We're going to create a whole new generation of Syrians intent on harming us if we continue to destroy their homeland and turn them away. Another tactic is needed to beat IS, and defunding them absolutely makes far more sense.

Fighting a guerilla force reminds me of Viet Nam. Before entering a conflict (as a state or an induvidual) you have to know your goals. Viet Nam should have learned a lesson for the west just like the Soviets did learn something from Afghanistan. (They used that in Chechnia, Russia used state-terror to get that nation under control).

IS is the outcome of illegal wars (against Iraq and Syria by the west), failed integration in western Europe (children of foreign workers with islamic background (Turkey, Marocco) were discreminated, second class-comparing that with the position of afro-americans and hispanics in the US) and a failure of Russia in Chechnia, China in Uyghur. Those failures were exploited by Turkey (using IS to fight the Kurdish people-using millions of refugees to blackmail the EU) and "western intelligence" (NATO ? CIA ? IS is suddenly fighting the taliban in Afghanistan, IS is showing up in Libya. In Syria part of the IS-fighters are Uyghurs, Chechens-gives me the impression that there is an airlift, logistics behind IS involving states)
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It seems that in most countries it is hard to avoid that there is a small elite group (1% of population claiming to own more than 50% of the country)-a middle class (under pressure from the elite that only wants more, on the other side "the poor" also making demands)-and an "under class". 

Growing global inequality leads to radicalization. In the past some of those radicals became anarchists, bolsjevists now they become jihadist. 

In the US Franklin Delano Roosevelt tried to give an answer to radicalization. After world war 2 in the UK Labour came with things like the National Health. The "welfare state" with a larger role for the government became more dominant. 

Reagan and Tatcher believed that, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, more capitalism would be a good thing. The outcome was that average wages for workers started to go down, work was for profit less as a public service. Tax was seen as a burden for everyone in stead of a basis for public investment. The bad quality of infrastructure, less access to healthcare and education are an outcome of that. 

Bombs can not be the only answer to IS (etc.). There are many reasons to change our economies. Fossil fuels (by fracking) is destroying our planet. If we want to be able to deal with pandemics, healthissues, you need healthcare for all. Second class citizens are not acceptable in a democracy. 

If "we"want democracy to win the battle against terrorism we need more democracy, equal rights, equality, not less. Weapons do not make the world a better place. War is a horror and the biggest treath for democracy. Soldiers mostly are the poor, underpriviliged. War is the outcome of failing politics-at the end we all play a role in our future.
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Well put.  

I do think the argument is more complex than just inequality.  There are both religious ideologies and The machinations of the land hungry Isil caliphate too,  But you hit a very large nail on the head there.
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An ISIS defector explained a key reason people continue joining the group

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/isis-defector-explained-key-reason-180356055.html

"Instead, people are joining the organization because they are desperate for money and are struggling to find a way to survive in Syria, where four years of civil war have decimated the economy. "
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Poor sods!

If it were me, I do not think I could join up, no matter how hard things were, unless it was as a 5th columnist.  But, many good Germans supported the Nazis, as they had no choice, and I suspect this is a common historical theme.  So who knows?

Thank You, God, for never putting me in the position to find out!

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